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Topic: WTTC Busan
Posted By: kakapo
Subject: WTTC Busan
Date Posted: 02/07/2024 at 11:36am
The event starts in 8 days and.....no selection has been revealed.....Are they going to wait till the last day on WTT or ITTF ? 

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Posted By: Michael WF
Date Posted: 02/07/2024 at 9:14pm
Originally posted by kakapo kakapo wrote:

no selection has been revealed.....Are they going to wait till the last day on WTT or ITTF ? 

What selection ?  Teams ? Players ? Schedules ?
All the information is at the following three webpages

https://www.ittf.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/11/Playing-system_WTTTC_Busan_2024_.pdf" rel="nofollow - https://www.ittf.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/11/Playing-system_WTTTC_Busan_2024_.pdf

https://worldtabletennis.com/teamseventInfo?selectedTab=Draws&eventId=2751" rel="nofollow - https://worldtabletennis.com/teamseventInfo?selectedTab=Draws&eventId=2751
https://worldtabletennis.com/teamseventInfo?selectedTab=Schedule&eventId=2751" rel="nofollow - https://worldtabletennis.com/teamseventInfo?selectedTab=Schedule&eventId=2751

I thought I saw the list of players for each team on WTT website but it seems to have disappeared 





Posted By: kakapo
Date Posted: 02/08/2024 at 1:50am
selections are not the countries but the players

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Posted By: dewnyc
Date Posted: 02/08/2024 at 3:07pm
I saw something mentioned about a change in deciding to award individual ranking points here. I wonder if any teams will make last-minute changes in players as a result.


Posted By: zeio
Date Posted: 02/09/2024 at 2:02am
Having qualified for the team event of Paris 2024 at Pan-Am Champs 2023:
Amy and Lily won't play;
Calderano won't play.

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https://www.ittf.com/tournament/2789/2023%20ITTF%20Pan%20American%20Championships/" rel="nofollow - https://www.ittf.com/tournament/2789/2023%20ITTF%20Pan%20American%20Championships/
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Posted By: jbvphcc
Date Posted: 02/09/2024 at 10:41am
Originally posted by zeio zeio wrote:

Having qualified for the team event of Paris 2024 at Pan-Am Champs 2023:
Amy and Lily won't play;
Calderano won't play.

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Quote 王艾米、张安选择不参加釜山世乒赛,美国女团由柯幸怡、凯拉·古德温、杰西卡·雷耶斯·赖、艾米莉·谭、Amber LIU出战;此前美国女团已在泛美洲奥运团体资格赛上获得了2024巴黎奥运会女子团体参赛资格

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https://www.ittf.com/tournament/2789/2023%20ITTF%20Pan%20American%20Championships/" rel="nofollow - https://www.ittf.com/tournament/2789/2023%20ITTF%20Pan%20American%20Championships/
https://www.ittf.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/2023_1_ITTF_PAN_AM_Champs_prospectus-CUBA.pdf" rel="nofollow - https://www.ittf.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/2023_1_ITTF_PAN_AM_Champs_prospectus-CUBA.pdf


I’m not understanding why they wouldn’t play in Busan just because they qualified for Paris Teams at Pan Am Champs.
Seems to me unless injured, you have the opportunity to gain valuable experience and maybe a few ranking points.


Posted By: dewnyc
Date Posted: 02/09/2024 at 10:59am
Also, FWIW, Lily qualified for the Olympic singles by winning the WTT Feeder Manchester.
She certainly has enough WTTC (and international) experience and doesn't need more. At the last World Teams in Chengdu, it seemed like she was often trying to keep USA alive in each team match, to give her teammates more matches to play.

I wonder if Lily and Amy would have had to go through the US team trials.
Anyways, hopefully it will give valuable experience to the players who qualified and will be going.


Posted By: jbvphcc
Date Posted: 02/13/2024 at 3:17pm
WTT now has the list of players for each men’s and women’s team. The 2022 WTTTC saw a lack of depth in each country’s teams save for China. Early on when I thought I’d seen a glimpse of the team selections, I got the idea countries would be sending their top players. Now that the selections have been named I’m not sure the representation of top players is any better than 2022. Even China’s holding back a bit this year. Is it that even with the introduction of World Ranking Points that there aren’t enough on offer?

Here is the list I compiled of notable top 100 names missing from men’s and women’s teams meaning they won’t be playing in Busan:


      Men 


Fan Zhendong

Felix Lebrun

Hugo Calderano

Lin Yun-Ju

Tomokazu Harimoto

Dang Qui

Quadri Aruna

Jang Woojin

Darko Jorgic

Truls Moregard

Marcos Freitas

Liam Pitchford

Anders Lind

Nicola Lum

Wong Chun Ting 

Tomislav Pucar

Quek Izaac

Alvaro Robles (COUNTRY NOT QUALIFIED)



      Women 


Sun Yingsha

Hina Hayata

Shin Yubin 

Ying Han (INJURED)

Cheng I-Ching

Adriana Diaz

Bernie Szocs

Xiaoxin Yang (COUNTRY NOT QUALIFIED)

Jia Nan Yuan 

Joo Cheonhui 

Nina Mittelham

Bruna Takahashi

Sofia Polcanova

Linda Bergstrom

Lily Zhang

Amy Wang

Manika Batra

Orawan Paranang

Kim Nayeong

Zhu Chengzhu

Xia Lian Ni

Natalia Bajor 

Fu Yu

Lou Hsing-Yin


Point out anyone I’ve missed 


Posted By: dewnyc
Date Posted: 02/13/2024 at 4:09pm
Originally posted by jbvphcc jbvphcc wrote:

WTT now has the list of players for each men’s and women’s team. The 2022 WTTTC saw a lack of depth in each country’s teams save for China. Early on when I thought I’d seen a glimpse of the team selections, I got the idea countries would be sending their top players. Now that the selections have been named I’m not sure the representation of top players is any better than 2022. Even China’s holding back a bit this year. Is it that even with the introduction of World Ranking Points that there aren’t enough on offer?

Here is the list I compiled of notable top 100 names missing from men’s and women’s teams meaning they won’t be playing in Busan:


In a quick scan, I saw most of the players you mentioned, listed on the WTTC Player List, at  https://worldtabletennis.com/teamseventInfo?selectedTab=Player%20List&eventId=2751" rel="nofollow - https://worldtabletennis.com/teamseventInfo?selectedTab=Player%20List&eventId=2751




Posted By: jbvphcc
Date Posted: 02/13/2024 at 5:36pm
In a quick scan, I saw most of the players you mentioned, listed on the WTTC Player List, at  https://worldtabletennis.com/teamseventInfo?selectedTab=Player%20List&eventId=2751" rel="nofollow - https://worldtabletennis.com/teamseventInfo?selectedTab=Player%20List&eventId=2751

I see what you say. That’s from the WTT website. It appears that they’re listing the top five eligible players from each of the qualified teams-countries.

I got my information from the WTT app that’s more specific.
China men’s for example

Unfortunately it’s not letting me post the screen captures I took to demonstrate.

Try the WTT app if you have it


Posted By: jbvphcc
Date Posted: 02/14/2024 at 10:22am

To support my post on the thread yesterday, I took screenshots on my phone of the players that were listed when you chose entry lists which gave you the countries then when you selected the country it gave the list of players. Unfortunately the screenshots are the incorrect file type to upload.

At this point the player list on the app appears to have left off the top ranked player of each country’s men’s and women’s team making my original post look silly. (Can anyone else look at their app and confirm what I’m seeing there?)


As dewnyc pointed out through his link to the WTT website, as opposed to the app it has far different information as to who’s on each team. They also have an article out today available on both app and website confirming the presence of the defending champions along with all the top players from each country save for anyone who’s injured.

 

Apologies to all!


This now looks like a well attended WTTTC!



Posted By: jbvphcc
Date Posted: 02/15/2024 at 6:26pm
WTT’s app has been corrected and now shows the same players for each country’s team as does their website.

It looks like each country is going to be represented by their top players.

However notably not showing now is Hugo Calderano


Posted By: jfolsen
Date Posted: 02/15/2024 at 8:33pm
Matches have started!


Posted By: dewnyc
Date Posted: 02/15/2024 at 8:54pm
fyi, in the US, Table 1 is on ESPN3. Search for "ITTF".

Ayhika Mukherjee beats Sun Yingsha 3-1 to start things off for India women


Posted By: dewnyc
Date Posted: 02/15/2024 at 10:13pm
Akula with a 3-0 win over Wang Yidi, giving India a 2-1 lead


Posted By: liulin04
Date Posted: 02/15/2024 at 11:06pm
Ma Lin has become The Nature Boy in the last match LOL!  Wooooh!

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Posted By: Dan
Date Posted: 02/16/2024 at 1:06am
Anders Lind !!!


Posted By: BRS
Date Posted: 02/16/2024 at 10:56am
Originally posted by dewnyc dewnyc wrote:

Akula with a 3-0 win over Wang Yidi, giving India a 2-1 lead

Maybe would have been smart to play CXT in the middle.  CXT has beaten both Akula and Mukherjee, and WYD had no prior results against them.  

I guess ML/CNT took them lightly.  Unlikely that will happen again.  A place or two just opened up on the WCNT for the best junk rubber Chinese women to be sparring. 


Posted By: RPB23
Date Posted: 02/16/2024 at 1:44pm
Treating lightly? No way! A team of Sun Yinsha, Wang Manyu and Wang Yidi represents China's strong lineup. Chen Xingtong is ranked last in team China. Only possible lineup tweak is replacing Wang Yidi with Chen Meng.
The possible culprit for Sun and Wang's loss might be after dismissing Mima Ito's challenge, China thought they had solved pits play. Well, India's three pits players showed they hadn't. Without Wang Manyu's resilience and calmness, China would be beaten badly by the India.

It's shocking Sun was beaten by 1:3, quite convincingly. Wang Yidi's straight loss was even more shocking. Of course, Wang's collapse may have something to do with Sun's shocking defeat at a lowly ranked India player's hands. Wang Manyu is no doubt a hero in Chinese coaches' eyes. She should be very close securing a spot in Paris's single.

   



Posted By: RPB23
Date Posted: 02/16/2024 at 1:57pm
Compared to Mima Ito, India's two new pits young players lack of the ability attacking from their backhands. However, they make up the deficiency by mainly focusing on more consistent soft dead ball block, and more importantly much better forehand attack. Both of them have  better forehand attack and counter attack than not only Ito but their older sister as well. 

India's third player Akula, IMO, is the strongest of the three players. Would love to see how she could do facing up Wang Manyu.


Posted By: liXiao
Date Posted: 02/16/2024 at 9:33pm
Originally posted by BRS BRS wrote:

Originally posted by dewnyc dewnyc wrote:

Akula with a 3-0 win over Wang Yidi, giving India a 2-1 lead

Maybe would have been smart to play CXT in the middle.  CXT has beaten both Akula and Mukherjee, and WYD had no prior results against them.  

I guess ML/CNT took them lightly.  Unlikely that will happen again.  A place or two just opened up on the WCNT for the best junk rubber Chinese women to be sparring. 


Not sure how effective that would have been considering Chen Xingtong has lost to Yang Xiaoxin and Batra in the past 16 months.


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Posted By: kakapo
Date Posted: 02/17/2024 at 7:00am
Everybody knows Wang Yidi and Chen Xingtong do not like playing opponents with LP....
Chen Meng should have played instead of Wang yidi because CNT knew all Indian players are "material" players.
It was not really a surprise to see Wang Yidi losing......The big surprise was Sun Yingsha...totally messing her match.


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Posted By: jfolsen
Date Posted: 02/17/2024 at 10:54am
Originally posted by kakapo kakapo wrote:

Everybody knows Wang Yidi and Chen Xingtong do not like playing opponents with LP....
Chen Meng should have played instead of Wang yidi because CNT knew all Indian players are "material" players.
It was not really a surprise to see Wang Yidi losing......The big surprise was Sun Yingsha...totally messing her match.


To be fair, Sun Yingsha's opponent was playing with frictionless antispin and either short or medium pips on the forehand. So even rarer than a LP blocker.


Posted By: hleett
Date Posted: 02/17/2024 at 10:54am
All tables are on YouTube except table 1. YouTube boycotting China?


Posted By: vvk1
Date Posted: 02/17/2024 at 11:05am
Originally posted by hleett hleett wrote:

All tables are on YouTube except table 1. YouTube boycotting China?

No, here is today's table 1 live stream:
https://www.youtube.com/live/qfbFcmCuZdI" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/live/qfbFcmCuZdI


Posted By: hleett
Date Posted: 02/17/2024 at 11:14am
…not available in your country… 


Posted By: dewnyc
Date Posted: 02/17/2024 at 12:20pm
It’s probably on a regional broadcaster, for example ESPN for US (on their app or website)
Link on  https://worldtabletennis.com/livevideo" rel="nofollow - https://worldtabletennis.com/livevideo

If you have a vpn, set it to a country not listed, and T1 will appear on YouTube. It has for me


Posted By: mmxx
Date Posted: 02/17/2024 at 12:26pm
Originally posted by hleett hleett wrote:

All tables are on YouTube except table 1. YouTube boycotting China?

Because all table 1 matches are on ESPN3, and if you are in the US, you should be able to see ESPN3 live stream using either ESPN app or ESPN.com, search “table tennis” or “busan” to find the live feed at game time.

They also have “on-demand” feeds which I think are the recorded (table 1) matches after they have completed.

The good thing about ESPN3 feeds are they have commentators and better camera angle / sound qualities than WTT’s YouTube feeds (table 2-8).



Posted By: hleett
Date Posted: 02/17/2024 at 2:29pm
Thanks. ESPN works for me. But where did you find this info?


Posted By: dewnyc
Date Posted: 02/17/2024 at 2:53pm
Originally posted by hleett hleett wrote:

Thanks. ESPN works for me. But where did you find this info?

Link on my previous post
ESPN has done something similar for past Worlds.
Searching for “ITTF” works for me, for finding the streams.

Also, if you access on YouTube through vpn, the commentary is the same


Posted By: liulin04
Date Posted: 02/17/2024 at 4:17pm
The Iranian player who Tiago Apolonia played against was horrendous to watch.  The constant delay of game by tightening the f**king shoes after every f**king point, and the running around in circles and shit.  Surprised to see the umpire was so merciful in those situations by not giving him a yellow card.  Good thing Tiago won, can't stand that guy.

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Posted By: liulin04
Date Posted: 02/17/2024 at 4:18pm
I was rooting for Miu Hirano's Iranian opponent.  She almost made Hirano wet her shorts

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Posted By: mmxx
Date Posted: 02/17/2024 at 7:38pm
Originally posted by hleett hleett wrote:

Thanks. ESPN works for me. But where did you find this info?

I searched for “table tennis” or “Busan” on ESPN to find the feeds

As to finding the info, I saw someone here mentioning ESPN3 so just googled how to watch it 


Posted By: dewnyc
Date Posted: 02/18/2024 at 1:59am
In years past, we've talked about the players listed in the Men's Leading Players and Women's Leading Players boxes, aka the most overworked players. On the men's side, Darko Jorgic leads. 4th on the list is Vitor Ishiy, who has lost more games than he has won (6 won, 10 lost). On the women's side, the leader is Mario Xiao of Spain. 2 of the top 5 women's players have lost more games than they have won.


Posted By: dewnyc
Date Posted: 02/18/2024 at 2:22am
Great win by USA over England, with Nikhil Kumar beating Paul Drinkhall 11-9 in the 5th.
Nikhil also beat Pitchford earlier, who is probably injured.
Jishan Liang also beat Drinkhall, like at WTT Feeder Westchester.


Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 02/18/2024 at 2:23am
USA beats England with Nikhil Kumar being the hero beating both Pitchford and Drinkhall and Jishan repeating his victory over Drinkhall.

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Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 02/18/2024 at 2:24am
Originally posted by dewnyc dewnyc wrote:

Great win by USA over England, with Nikhil Kumar beating Paul Drinkhall 11-9 in the 5th.
Nikhil also beat Pitchford earlier, who is probably injured.
Jishan Liang also beat Drinkhall, like at WTT Feeder Westchester.
haha simultaneously posting similar things.

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Posted By: kakapo
Date Posted: 02/18/2024 at 9:52am
South Afrika taking 15 pts in 9 games....This is not serious...They should have kept max 32 teams (even 24 ) for these WTTC and the others playing a "league B championships....

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Posted By: mmxx
Date Posted: 02/19/2024 at 10:37pm
USA vs Kazakhstan match will be on Espn3 at 6am Eastern time tomorrow 

Can watch from ESPN.com or espn app (search “Busan”, table 2 feed)


Posted By: dewnyc
Date Posted: 02/19/2024 at 10:40pm
USA will advance with a win over Kazakhstan, basically by winning all the matches not involving Kirill Gerassimenko (who is undefeated so far, including against Germany). That’s what England & Germany did. Assuming England beats Saudi Arabia, I think USA needs to win at least 2 points against KAZ to have a chance in the 3-way tie.


Posted By: dewnyc
Date Posted: 02/20/2024 at 8:29am
Nikhil had a 2-1 lead on KG, with USA leading 2-1.
Oh boy, controversy with jishan’s racket.


Posted By: Twiddler
Date Posted: 02/20/2024 at 9:06am
Jishan was disqualified. 


Posted By: ttvet86
Date Posted: 02/20/2024 at 9:24am
What for? For Racket control not doing their job?


Posted By: dewnyc
Date Posted: 02/20/2024 at 9:31am
His racket failed post-match testing, probably for boosting but I’m not sure.
That gave KAZ a 3-1 win and 2nd place in the group.
USA and England were tied on team points won, and England edged USA on games won to finish 3rd. Head-to-head isn’t counted here, and I believe not the ratio of games won to lost as well. I saw something similar in the 3-way tie in women’s involving Malaysia, Italy, and Puerto Rico - great late comeback by MAS against ITA to put them through.


Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 02/20/2024 at 12:20pm
Originally posted by dewnyc dewnyc wrote:

His racket failed post-match testing, probably for boosting but I’m not sure.
That gave KAZ a 3-1 win and 2nd place in the group.
USA and England were tied on team points won, and England edged USA on games won to finish 3rd. Head-to-head isn’t counted here, and I believe not the ratio of games won to lost as well. I saw something similar in the 3-way tie in women’s involving Malaysia, Italy, and Puerto Rico - great late comeback by MAS against ITA to put them through.
The 3‐1 score did the US in and helped Kazakhstan,  not sure why Adam was trying to make it a mystery, Kazakhstan coming in second meant USA was 4th once the disqualification was final. If it was 3-2 even as a US loss, I think it would have gone to individual match scores as all teams won and lost 3-2.


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Posted By: PingPongPom
Date Posted: 02/20/2024 at 12:29pm
The US were already through with 2 matches won against KAZ, the only way they lose out from where they were is the scenario that played out. Even if it was 2-2 and Sid lost the last match, US still would have advanced in 3rd, if they won they would advance 2nd.

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Posted By: aerial
Date Posted: 02/20/2024 at 1:37pm
Don't they inspect the rackets before the match?

It passed pre-match inspection but failed post-match ?


Posted By: jfolsen
Date Posted: 02/20/2024 at 1:43pm
Originally posted by aerial aerial wrote:

Don't they inspect the rackets before the match?

It passed pre-match inspection but failed post-match ?


According to a poster on another forum, you don't have to submit it for a pre-match inspection, for instance if you want to practice with that racket right before a match. But that means you are stuck with a post-match inspection, and any consequences, with no way to correct the problem.


Posted By: Dan
Date Posted: 02/20/2024 at 2:37pm
Jishan robbed the team their opportunity to advance. He should be removed from Team USA. Nikhil worked so hard just for this to happen.


Posted By: aerial
Date Posted: 02/20/2024 at 3:04pm
rough comment against Jishan--he also contributed to team USA's win vs ENG which would also be a reason for them to be in the running to advance


Posted By: AcudaDave
Date Posted: 02/20/2024 at 3:56pm
Damn...this is so frustrating for US table tennis. I thought for sure US was going to advance after they beat England, and now this happens. Everyone knows the rules and you should definitely not be boosting your rubber during a large event like this. What a shame for the US team.

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Posted By: kagin
Date Posted: 02/20/2024 at 4:58pm
I'm not there and can't speak to these specific events, but here's the standard procedure:

50 minutes before match time, players and captains of both teams report to the call area. Officials check the players' rackets and uniforms. They also do the coin toss for ABC/XYZ. Captains will declare their lineups and players will select balls.

Normally it is the match umpires who check the rackets, but in some occasions it is done by a specific racket testing group. Assuming all rackets are okay, from this point on the rackets are under the umpires' control. If any racket is not okay, the player can submit a different racket and have it tested.

Players are not required to have rackets checked before the match, but this makes them subject to post-match testing, which is obviously much worse/riskier.

After rackets are checked, if a player wants to practice, they usually use a different racket. In theory they can use their match racket, but this takes it out of umpire control and thus makes it subject to post-match testing.

One thing that many players don't realize is that there is a psychological difference between pre-match and post-match testing. In a pre-match test, if your rubber has a borderline flaw, you're more likely to get away with it. You might be able to convince the racket tester to let it go, or check it again, or ask for a second opinion. In a post-match test where you've already won the match, it is far less likely for this kind of negotiation to work. It's also less likely for your opponent to sympathize with you and your borderline racket because the entire match hinges on whether the racket is disqualified or not. None of this is in the rules, and i don't like it and don't endorse it, but it's the reality when humans are making decisions.

Also, in a pre-match test, it is very often the umpires who are testing the rackets. It is quite possible that the umpires declared Jishan's racket okay; however after the racket left the umpires' control, the umpires who tested his racket continued to work the team contest (umpiring Kirill vs Nikhil), while Jishan's racket was tested by a different official. Perhaps that official detected something that the match umpires didn't see.


Posted By: mmxx
Date Posted: 02/20/2024 at 6:22pm
Does anyone know of previous such precedence where an ITTF major tournament like this reverted a match outcome solely on a racket failing test? 

I mean either recent years or years ago, major match outcome reversal that had significant impact on a team

If this has happened before, which team did it happen to and roughly what year? 


Posted By: dewnyc
Date Posted: 02/20/2024 at 6:30pm
Originally posted by mmxx mmxx wrote:

Does anyone know of previous such precedence where an ITTF major tournament like this reverted a match outcome solely on a racket failing test? 

I mean either recent years or many years ago, major match outcome reversal that had significant impact on a team

If this has happened before, to which team and roughly what year? 

Kim Taek Soo vs Wang Tao, 1995 Worlds, MS Quarterfinal
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Posted By: mmxx
Date Posted: 02/20/2024 at 6:32pm
Originally posted by dewnyc dewnyc wrote:

Originally posted by mmxx mmxx wrote:

Does anyone know of previous such precedence where an ITTF major tournament like this reverted a match outcome solely on a racket failing test? 

I mean either recent years or many years ago, major match outcome reversal that had significant impact on a team

If this has happened before, to which team and roughly what year? 

Kim Taek Soo vs Wang Tao, 1995 Worlds, MS Quarterfinal
Mentioned recently at  http://blog.kaginism.com/" rel="nofollow - http://blog.kaginism.com/

Thanks, which player got disqualified in that case, Kim or Wang? 

(Can’t find details on that blog home page)


Posted By: dewnyc
Date Posted: 02/20/2024 at 6:41pm
Originally posted by mmxx mmxx wrote:

Originally posted by dewnyc dewnyc wrote:

Originally posted by mmxx mmxx wrote:

Does anyone know of previous such precedence where an ITTF major tournament like this reverted a match outcome solely on a racket failing test? 

I mean either recent years or many years ago, major match outcome reversal that had significant impact on a team

If this has happened before, to which team and roughly what year? 

Kim Taek Soo vs Wang Tao, 1995 Worlds, MS Quarterfinal
Mentioned recently at  http://blog.kaginism.com/" rel="nofollow - http://blog.kaginism.com/

Thanks, which player got disqualified in that case, Kim or Wang? 

(Can’t find details on that blog home page)

I updated the link.
Anyways, Kim was disqualified after initially winning the match. It had to do with speed glue.
FWIW, it led to China sweeping the podium. Wang dumped to Liu Guoliang in the SF.


Posted By: PingPongPom
Date Posted: 02/20/2024 at 7:50pm
I think ittf always offer voluntary testing for rackets. When I played WTTC on all 3 occasions I did the voluntary testing at the start of the tournament, it’s a smart thing to do. There are no consequences if you fail but at least you have a chance to rectify any issues. 

It’s worth noting that in the 2022 WTTC Jishan’s main and spare rackets both failed and he had to use another player’s racket for his match. 

There are certain responsibilities athletes need to take to ensure their rackets comply with the rules - especially when they have a previous experience with racket failure.

I know there are other circumstances around submitting his racket late, but it’s important for a player to know all of the rules surrounding these things to avoid issues like this happening.

That being said perhaps a future rule change is needed to ensure that all rackets must be approved pre-match on every occasion and there are no circumstances in which a match can be played with a racket which hasn’t been 100% approved by the necessary officials beforehand.


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Posted By: mykonos96
Date Posted: 02/20/2024 at 8:29pm
Originally posted by dewnyc dewnyc wrote:

Originally posted by mmxx mmxx wrote:

Originally posted by dewnyc dewnyc wrote:

Originally posted by mmxx mmxx wrote:

Does anyone know of previous such precedence where an ITTF major tournament like this reverted a match outcome solely on a racket failing test? 

I mean either recent years or many years ago, major match outcome reversal that had significant impact on a team

If this has happened before, to which team and roughly what year? 

Kim Taek Soo vs Wang Tao, 1995 Worlds, MS Quarterfinal
Mentioned recently at  http://blog.kaginism.com/" rel="nofollow - http://blog.kaginism.com/

Thanks, which player got disqualified in that case, Kim or Wang? 

(Can’t find details on that blog home page)

I updated the link.
Anyways, Kim was disqualified after initially winning the match. It had to do with speed glue.
FWIW, it led to China sweeping the podium. Wang dumped to Liu Guoliang in the SF.

Dont know but Liu beat wang tao in almost all matches they played

Kim said that ittf should have not allowed to play since he was tested after the match but he admited he was mixing 2 diffrent glues in team matches.


Posted By: AcudaDave
Date Posted: 02/20/2024 at 9:35pm
If this happened in 2022 to Jishan then he didn’t learn from his previous mistake. What I don’t understand either is when did he boost it? There are plenty of boosters people use that last for weeks or longer so if they use those types of boosters days or weeks before an event, it’s my understanding they should be able to pass the test. Is that still the case? I was told if you boost within 24 hours it can still be detected. 

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Posted By: jfolsen
Date Posted: 02/20/2024 at 9:40pm
Originally posted by AcudaDave AcudaDave wrote:

If this happened in 2022 to Jishan then he didn’t learn from his previous mistake. What I don’t understand either is when did he boost it? There are plenty of boosters people use that last for weeks or longer so if they use those types of boosters days or weeks before an event, it’s my understanding they should be able to pass the test. Is that still the case? I was told if you boost within 24 hours it can still be detected. 


I have no firsthand knowledge, but several people are saying the rubber was over thickness. Modern boosters don't have any VOC, so that is rarely the issue.


Posted By: AcudaDave
Date Posted: 02/20/2024 at 9:44pm
If the thickness is too great that should be an easy thing for a person that plays in these tours of events to check on. Thanks for the reply. I just don’t get how someone would fail this 2 different times. 

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Posted By: mmxx
Date Posted: 02/20/2024 at 10:36pm
Has USA ever advanced out of the group stage / made the final 24 teams before (in a WTTTC)?
Is this time their would-be best result of all time? 

If not, what was the farthest they have ever reached (in team event)? 


Posted By: PingPongPom
Date Posted: 02/20/2024 at 11:28pm
Can’t really compare because now wttc finals is top 40 teams but with continental qualifications. In 2016 for example there were 96 teams in the mens and USA were in division 3, and that was with Kanak, Feng Yijun etc

So I think back in Boggan’s era the team were in div 1 which is significantly bigger accomplishment. To put things into perspective, Kazakhstan were a div 3 team before and England was usually high div 2 around the mid 2010s before the system changed.


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Posted By: Twiddler
Date Posted: 02/21/2024 at 10:46am
USA Men finished 13th in 1983.


Posted By: dewnyc
Date Posted: 02/21/2024 at 11:59am
USA men & women won in 1937. USA women also won in 1949.

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Posted By: liulin04
Date Posted: 02/21/2024 at 3:57pm
Does anyone know what kind of Anti rubbers the Indian girls were using against China? The ones who beat SYS and WYD

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Posted By: jfolsen
Date Posted: 02/21/2024 at 4:13pm
Originally posted by liulin04 liulin04 wrote:

Does anyone know what kind of Anti rubbers the Indian girls were using against China? The ones who beat SYS and WYD


Only Ayhika Mukherjee used antispin, Dr. Neubauer Gorilla. The rest were using LP OX.


Posted By: Slowhand
Date Posted: 02/21/2024 at 11:19pm
Any live stream available now?


Posted By: dewnyc
Date Posted: 02/21/2024 at 11:20pm
Originally posted by Slowhand Slowhand wrote:

Any live stream available now?

I’m watching on ESPN app


Posted By: Slowhand
Date Posted: 02/21/2024 at 11:24pm
VPN Canada


Posted By: BRS
Date Posted: 02/22/2024 at 7:38am
exciting match ito vs socks.  doubtful hayata's match two will be so entertaining.


Posted By: stiltt
Date Posted: 02/22/2024 at 9:11am
In your opinion, what are the French ladies’ chances of winning the 1/2 against the Chinese armada? Tongue

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Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 02/22/2024 at 9:22am
Originally posted by stiltt stiltt wrote:

In your opinion, what are the French ladies’ chances of winning the 1/2 against the Chinese armada? Tongue

You are funny.  Jia Nan Yuan has an outside chance of winning a match. But more likely with the Chinese prep will not win a game (she couldn't beat Mittleham). So it is going to be the usual 3-0 China score. India deserves a unique medal of sorts for taking sets.


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Posted By: mykonos96
Date Posted: 02/22/2024 at 12:49pm
Originally posted by AcudaDave AcudaDave wrote:

If this happened in 2022 to Jishan then he didn’t learn from his previous mistake. What I don’t understand either is when did he boost it? There are plenty of boosters people use that last for weeks or longer so if they use those types of boosters days or weeks before an event, it’s my understanding they should be able to pass the test. Is that still the case? I was told if you boost within 24 hours it can still be detected. 

I m kinda confused about this, If I right  the player sent one raquet for testing and played with an untested raquet?


Posted By: jfolsen
Date Posted: 02/22/2024 at 1:05pm
Originally posted by mykonos96 mykonos96 wrote:

Originally posted by AcudaDave AcudaDave wrote:

If this happened in 2022 to Jishan then he didn’t learn from his previous mistake. What I don’t understand either is when did he boost it? There are plenty of boosters people use that last for weeks or longer so if they use those types of boosters days or weeks before an event, it’s my understanding they should be able to pass the test. Is that still the case? I was told if you boost within 24 hours it can still be detected. 

I m kinda confused about this, If I right  the player sent one raquet for testing and played with an untested raquet?


There are some people posting about a racket "switch", but they haven't offered any proof. The story I am hearing is that he turned in the racket before the match, but too late for it to be tested beforehand. When it was tested after the match it failed.


Posted By: TwiddleDee
Date Posted: 02/22/2024 at 1:05pm
Perhaps some players are better at boosting than others (they don't get caught)


Posted By: mykonos96
Date Posted: 02/22/2024 at 3:27pm
Originally posted by TwiddleDee TwiddleDee wrote:

Perhaps some players are better at boosting than others (they don't get caught)

I think the problem is not the solvents its the rubber thickness, There are many substances that are not boosters that can render your raquet ilegal.


Posted By: mmxx
Date Posted: 02/23/2024 at 6:42am
Something wrong with the Espn3 live feed for Japan/Hongkong women's semifinal

I can't find it in ESPN's search results. Is anyone watching it live and if so, could you post the espn feed URL? 




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Date Posted: 02/23/2024 at 10:28am


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Posted By: piligrim
Date Posted: 02/23/2024 at 11:40am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ru0g_OCmr9w&ab_channel=B%C3%93NGB%C3%80NLIVE" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ru0g_OCmr9w&ab_channel=B%C3%93NGB%C3%80NLIVE


Posted By: dewnyc
Date Posted: 02/24/2024 at 1:45am
2-1 lead by Korea


Posted By: hleett
Date Posted: 02/24/2024 at 2:04am
2-2 now


Posted By: hleett
Date Posted: 02/24/2024 at 2:43am
China 3-2 Korea. China going to the finals.


Posted By: Lightspin
Date Posted: 02/24/2024 at 2:45am
Point of the decade, perhaps century and maybe all time. 


Posted By: hleett
Date Posted: 02/24/2024 at 2:59am
Agreed. And WCQ redeemed himself aer a pep talk from LGL.


Posted By: stiltt
Date Posted: 02/24/2024 at 5:26am
Felix Lebrun - LYJ, that was really something, he delivered when it mattered!

 


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Posted By: stiltt
Date Posted: 02/24/2024 at 5:48am
With Gauzy playing free without pressure and the bros having a point to make, it's the best chance France has had in a long time and they fouught so hard to grab it. History in the making!




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Posted By: dewnyc
Date Posted: 02/24/2024 at 8:21am
Japan up 2-1 on China in the women’s final


Posted By: dewnyc
Date Posted: 02/24/2024 at 9:03am
15 yo vs 30 yo for all the marbles 


Posted By: dewnyc
Date Posted: 02/24/2024 at 9:58am
Almost came down to a deciding game.

Men’s final will be a rematch of 1997. Christophe Legout, an uncle of the Lebrun brothers, was on that France team.




Posted By: mykonos96
Date Posted: 02/24/2024 at 10:11am
Originally posted by dewnyc dewnyc wrote:

15 yo vs 30 yo for all the marbles 

Nobody forced Japan to field a 15Yo.


Posted By: jt99sf
Date Posted: 02/24/2024 at 12:20pm
And she’s not Japanese 

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Posted By: patrick1v
Date Posted: 02/24/2024 at 4:27pm
i was puzzled with her selection in the finals with Mima Ito on the bench.not sure why the didnt play her Ito that is. Like korea mens thought they would have went with more experience in the 5th game.


Posted By: stiltt
Date Posted: 02/24/2024 at 4:35pm
All eyes are on the French now. A day before 2003 WTTC started, who in their right mind could have predicted Schlager beating WLQ and KLH? just saying...Big smile

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Posted By: RPB23
Date Posted: 02/24/2024 at 5:31pm
Originally posted by patrick1v patrick1v wrote:

i was puzzled with her selection in the finals with Mima Ito on the bench.not sure why the didnt play her Ito that is. Like korea mens thought they would have went with more experience in the 5th game.

Well, Ito has been studied too well by the Chinese. And recent years of constant beating by the Chinese probably hurt Ito's confidence against Chinese. Choosing a young upcoming star Chinese are less familiar was not a bad selection. As a matter of fact, Miwa played well just not enough to knock down the current Olympic champion in Chen Meng and the number one ranked Sun.


Posted By: RPB23
Date Posted: 02/24/2024 at 5:40pm
It's quite shocking that Felix could hand Taiwan's Lin a solid 3:0 considering Lin was in pretty good shape for the tournament.

Lin is fast player who usually can outpace most of players. However, Felix is even faster than Lin. Felix's pace made Lin uncomfortable that he spent quite some times scrambling away from the table.

Felix is for sure a shining star in this world championship. If he can beat one of two Chinese, he will be the brightest young star in the world.

Who have thought when pen-hold grip has been dying out in Asia, the savior is from Europe!


Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 02/24/2024 at 6:40pm
Originally posted by RPB23 RPB23 wrote:

It's quite shocking that Felix could hand Taiwan's Lin a solid 3:0 considering Lin was in pretty good shape for the tournament.

Lin is fast player who usually can outpace most of players. However, Felix is even faster than Lin. Felix's pace made Lin uncomfortable that he spent quite some times scrambling away from the table.

Felix is for sure a shining star in this world championship. If he can beat one of two Chinese, he will be the brightest young star in the world.

Who have thought when pen-hold grip has been dying out in Asia, the savior is from Europe!

Why shocking?  Remember that Felix won 3-0 the last time they met and Lin was playing equally well? Lin had lost to Harimoto and was pushed by Dima and Felix was scoring his usual 3-0 and 3-1 scores so I don't think that was so surprising.   Now Gauzy beating Kao 3-0, that was surprising though I could rationalize it later as the uniqueness of Gauzy vs Kao playing the way the Lebruns basically play.


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Posted By: stiltt
Date Posted: 02/24/2024 at 7:07pm
On French forums, people say that Gauzy feels less pressure now that he is not #1 back home and can play freely. I’d add that his maturity brings peace to the whole team for them to play as one in the best possible way. 

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Posted By: stiltt
Date Posted: 02/25/2024 at 1:22am
The men final China-France is about 5 hours from now at 8pm local (17 hours ahead of PST, 3am PST, 6am EST).

What will you favorite way be to watch live? 


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Posted By: stiltt
Date Posted: 02/25/2024 at 6:03am
It works great on ESPN+


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