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Topic: Robot Reviews !
Posted By: Rich215
Subject: Robot Reviews !
Date Posted: 01/05/2009 at 2:01pm
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Here are several Robot Reviews for your EJ'ing Pleasure! (any unauthorized use of my words or photographs is strictly prohibited, Rich215). REVIEWS WITH POSTINGS HERE ON MYTT: My very first robot review of the Y&T 989E from June 2008 http://mytabletennis.net/Forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=18813 - Y&T 989E March 2010 ../Forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=33200 - Dual Head Robots Y&T - Oukei FALL 2011 http://www.fareastsports.com/y_t_989h_robot_review_p17.html - Y&T 989H http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=47943&PN=1 - DIRECT LINKS TO EACH SINGLE REVIEW Summer 2008 http://www.fareastsports.com/y_t_989e_robot_review_p10.html - Y&T 989E FALL 2011 http://www.fareastsports.com/y_t_989h_robot_review_p17.html - Y&T 989H November 2009 September 2010 http://www.fareastsports.com/index.php?gOo=article_details.dwt&articleid=16 - Super Master 5 SPRING 2010 http://www.fareastsports.com/y_t_s27_robot_review_p12.html - Y&T S-27 Dual Head SUMMER 2010 http://www.fareastsports.com/oukei_tw2700_s_9_robot_review_p14.html - Oukei S-9 Dual Head  http://www.fareastsports.com/index.php?gOo=article_details.dwt&articleid=8 - Super Master 3
Replaced by several updated versions.
 http://www.fareastsports.com/index.php?gOo=article_details.dwt&articleid=7 - Donic DL-163
THIS ROBOT IS NOW CALLED A YANLE 363 http://www.fareastsports.com/index.php?gOo=article_details.dwt&articleid=7 - It is exactly the same but with diff. colors.
 http://www.fareastsports.com/index.php?gOo=article_details.dwt&articleid=6 - Oukei/AMDT TW 2700-08
Now there is a Tw2700-08B, but it is the same but with a folding head for storage.  http://www.fareastsports.com/index.php?gOo=article_details.dwt&articleid=5 - Double Snakes FQJ-2
This model has been replaced by the PL-1 --------------------------------------------------------------------
 This project was 100% financed by Far East Sports. I would like to thank the owner Mr. Chen, for allowing me to conduct the reviews and get a much better understanding of various robots and their abilities.
The robots were all shipped from China to me here in the USA. They will all be sold now that the reviews are done. (most likely to US buyers as the cost of shipping outside the states will be too high).
Feel free to ask any questions you might have.
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Posted By: Rich215
Date Posted: 01/05/2009 at 2:03pm
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Some of you had sent me PM's in the past week. I did not read all of them. So because of the loss of data on the 29th and 30th of Dec.....you will need to resend those PMs. Thanks. ------------- |
Posted By: Rich215
Date Posted: 01/08/2009 at 11:33am
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Ok....I get alot of questions about the XuShaoFa robot.
This robot is highly touted as having the most wanted ability of a robot. Along with the Butterfly Amicus, it will throw different spins in a sequence of balls. Another words, it will throw say 10 balls in a sequence, first is a topspin, then a back spin, then a right top spin.....etc. Surely a feature that is wanted and needed in a robot. The technology to do so requires 1 of 2 mechanical abilities.
Either the ability to reverse the wheel motors directions and speeds from one ball to the next, or have multiple wheels that interchange. Interchanging throwing wheels would be like having 2 sets of throwing wheels. One set does say topspin, the other does back spin. So 1 set will engage at a time to throw the ball with different spin.
This feature is and has been worked on by many in the robot building industry. It is not perfected yet. It may be very expensive to make it work better than what is available now.
With the Butterfly robots, it works well Im told. But with a Butterfly robot, your using a "channel" head. The ball bounces off a channel for its direction to the landing spot on the table.
I am not sure how the XuShaoFa robot achieves the differing spins on consectutive balls thrown.....possibly multiple throwing wheel sets?
When I see all the data and pics of the XuShaoFa robot, I'm alittle let down. The net is terrible looking for one. (maybe minor). But the actual robot and head, look very cheap and too plasticy. For the price of this robot, I wouldnt want to take the risk of finding out how well its actually made.
It may not be a low quality robot...or maybe it is....as far as build quality and functionality are concerned. The controller looks like a PC from the mid 90's, and it seems to be a non-programable robot as well? I often wonder though, why you can never find any good user comments or opinions on it. It is also not a good seller in its home country of China! This is why I have not planned on a review on one. Far East Sports does not keep them in stock, they will order one if you want one though. ------------- |
Posted By: stan1551
Date Posted: 01/08/2009 at 1:28pm
| Thank you, Rich. I will hold on buying this one. |
Posted By: stiltt
Date Posted: 01/08/2009 at 2:44pm
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you read that review right? http://www.gregsttpages.com/gttp/index.php/Equipment-Articles/xushaofa-table-tennis-robot-review.html ------------- /forum/topic91512_page1.html#1124698" rel="nofollow - sales - forum_posts.asp?TID=19315" rel="nofollow - feedback |
Posted By: stiltt
Date Posted: 01/08/2009 at 2:52pm
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I have to say I am tempted. The idea that I have not to deal with all the knobs of my Amicus 3000 pleases to me. The idea of having built-in drills in those old fashioned cards sounds ingenious to me. The old hardware appearance tells me one thing: it might not fall apart as soon as newer cheap equipment does. Actually I would trade my used (working great) Amicus 3000 for a XuShaoFa robot and a bunch of those drill cards. ------------- /forum/topic91512_page1.html#1124698" rel="nofollow - sales - forum_posts.asp?TID=19315" rel="nofollow - feedback |
Posted By: stan1551
Date Posted: 01/08/2009 at 2:59pm
| From what I understand SuperMaster 3 looks nice. I am loooking at it and Y&T G (newer model). |
Posted By: bozbrisvegas
Date Posted: 01/08/2009 at 5:57pm
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stay away from the chinese robot! I have a friend who got one and then it broke down soon after with zero support or replies from the manufacturers.
I was at the time very tempted to buy one until he told me this. I instead went with the expensive butterfly which I have used every day for over 3 years with absolutely no problems. The only thing is that parts are wearing down, which is totally understandable since they are the ones dealing with the contact or friction with the ball or head movement up down side to side.
The only unrealistic thing with this robot is that mild sidespin appears when it shoots to the left or right.
The other thing I wish there were some technology that would detect the ball return speed by the user, so that the robot would spit the next ball out at the time it receives. The interval is currently always set the same for one pattern regardless of weather it spits out a fast or slow ball. ------------- Grubba Variant ALL fh: Hurricane 38 degrees MAX bh: tensor MAX https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQgNPkpILsg&list=PL9V-XUSPJgk-loYl2zRhQZ29lsAK7tdLX" rel="nofollow - Watch me playing TT |
Posted By: stan1551
Date Posted: 01/08/2009 at 9:01pm
I can see your point, but BTY Amicus 3000 is $2699 and SuperMster 3 is $499 shipped. Of course, I dont wanna buy total c.r.a.p but on the other hand I have 2 friends who are very good engineers/mechanics and can fix pretty much anything (free of charge for me). Makes you think... 
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Posted By: Leshxa
Date Posted: 01/08/2009 at 9:08pm
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I agree. I got a friend who is very mechanically, electronically savvy and when I mentioned that I needed to get a robot, he says he will help me build one with all the features that I want. I'm pretty excited. The technology is quite available. There are many robots - tennis, baseball, etc that throw a ball. So, we'll see what kind of design he can come up with.... I also got a friend with broken Newgy for early analysis. Hopefully we can get something going.... ------------- Back to table tennis... |
Posted By: NotTalented
Date Posted: 01/09/2009 at 7:25am
Hope you can share the knowledge with us.Thanks. ------------- Table Tennis - Where excellence is punished, great innovations are banned. |
Leshxa wrote:Posted By: patrick1v
Date Posted: 01/09/2009 at 7:55am
| hmm let me see 3yrs ago could the quality of the robots made in china have possible improve by then.i think so.i got a supermaster three for a friend almost a year now with still no problems with it.on the other hand have had the newgy with numerous problems. |
Posted By: Leshxa
Date Posted: 01/09/2009 at 7:56am
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I'll definitely post something on the forum if we get the project moving. By the way, nice avatar :) ------------- Back to table tennis... |
Posted By: NotTalented
Date Posted: 01/09/2009 at 9:00am
Thanks. Re-avatar - liked it the moment I saw it. Its meant for all the players I can't beat......lol, no that's not it. Probably meant for ittf.....here's payback for all the bans! ------------- Table Tennis - Where excellence is punished, great innovations are banned. |
Posted By: stan1551
Date Posted: 01/09/2009 at 9:40am
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hmm let me see 3yrs ago could the quality of the robots made in china have possible improve by then.i think so.i got a supermaster three for a friend almost a year now with still no problems with it.on the other hand have had the newgy with numerous problems.
I guess I am lucky since I have not had any issue with my Newgy 2040 for about a year and a half. My issue with it - 1 wheel robot only. And, btw, I beleive it is manufactured in Taiwan. |
Posted By: Rich215
Date Posted: 01/09/2009 at 9:42am
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Robots have definitely come a long way from 3 years ago! From what I know, there were a lot of problems with the first series of Super Master robots. I believe that they have mad that robot much much better. Far East Sports has told me they have only had 2 problems with the latest #3 build. One was a bad power supply, and the other was a with the netting. But remember, this robot is a entry level robot. To compare the Super Master to the robots I have reviewed in above....the Super Master would be like a $6 pre made racket and the others would be like various $60-$250 rackets. There is a huge difference there. The Double Snakes robot was quite impressive I must say. It may look sort of like some of the cheaper robots....but it is much different. I would love to keep the FQJ-2 robot for my own! Can someone lend me alot of money please? haaaa.... fat chance there. Also, the Oukei robots head looks identical to the Butterfly ones, built with heavy duty materials. The Oukei robot is built just as solid as the Y&T's and Donic robots. I'm guessing that the comment from bozbrisvegas " stay away from the chinese robot! I have a friend who got one and then it broke down soon after with zero support or replies from the manufacturers." was about the Super Master robot? If so, your comparring a 1978 Ford Pinto to a 2000 Porsche 911 Targa! lol If you purchase from a authorized dealer, you should not have any problem with warranty issues. Far East Sports has an excellent warranty and service on any robot they sell. I know that there are many that are many places to get a Super Master, but do they offer help when or if it has a problem? Just like cars or other techinial mechanical products, why would you buy from someone that does not offer factory warranty or service? And also to add, for the money, the Donic DL-163 robot is by far the best bang for the buck! If you cant afford to go over that $1000 mark, this robot is awesome. I was very impressed with this robot comparring it to my Y&T 989E. Hopefully Y&T will release the 989G robot soon. I'm now hearing that the release date will be after Chinese New Year. Funny, I saw an ad for it in the July 08 issue of Table Tennis World magaizne. ------------- |
Posted By: Vikroda
Date Posted: 01/10/2009 at 3:01am
Thanks, OP for all the reviews. When I saw the pictures of the double snake I thought it looked cheaply made (lots of plastic). Nice to know that I was wrong about that.
I was looking at some computer controlled servos to use in a robot but don't have the time or experience (yet?). (The old Amicus control boxes included a serial connector for connection to a PC but I think they abandoned that.) There was a web site that had some neat home-built robots (not for TT) but the site seems to be down at the moment. However, I found one of his posts on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/user/pinter75 - http://www.youtube.com/user/pinter75 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09Jf0e7Kt-Y - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09Jf0e7Kt-Y If you can have PC controlled servos built into your robot you can do a lot of things that can't be done currently (such as voice activation) and you can program it to have as many drills as you want. You might also be able to have it respond to the pace of your shots (as a poster above lamented was missing); though I'm not sure how that would be best implemented. Maybe some sort of video feed analysis will work (using a webcam) or maybe something as simple as a microphone to listen for the difference in time between when the ball hits racket and the table. Anyway those are just some random thoughts. I hope your project goes well! I agree that table tennis robots are behind the times as far as technology goes. Edit: Found some other robot sites. Tutorials and lots of links: http://www.pyroelectro.com/category/tutorials/ - http://www.pyroelectro.com/category/tutorials/ A combat robot guide http://www.metalmunchingmaniacs.com/build-a-combat-robot.t - http://www.metalmunchingmaniacs.com/build-a-combat-robot.t The website I mentioned above is back online: http://www.pinter75.co.uk/robots/index.html |
Posted By: Rich215
Date Posted: 01/15/2009 at 9:47am
I moved this here to further discuss and allow others to see.
Yipp.... I over did it with the voltage transformer, mine is a 500 watt model. You only need one that has min of 100 watts. The "coach's remote" can be used while the robot is being used. But I think some of the wording I read somewhere, had stated that its better to adjust the head while the robot is not in operation. I did move it a few times while the robot was shooting to adjust the vertical angles. I will check and see if I can find further info about using the remote in the way you described, while the robot is in operation. The Double Snakes robot is pretty cool robot I must say.....quite unique! ------------- |
Posted By: Vikroda
Date Posted: 01/24/2009 at 4:01am
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Rich, thanks for your many reviews. In your Oukei/AMDT robot review you mentioned that it was programmable. Do you mean that you can program a topspin ball followed by a backspin ball (like the Amicus), or can you only program the ball locations (like the 989E)? |
Posted By: Rich215
Date Posted: 01/24/2009 at 7:57pm
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Vikroda...thanks No, the Oukei/AMDT TW 2700-08 does not have the ability to change spin types on consecutive balls thrown. But there is a rumor that they are going to have a new model that will. Somone I was helping out with info had contacted the S.F. distributor and was told this. Also, the control pad on the 2700-08 has more programable capabilities then the 989E. Long/short landing on the 989E is random only, while the long short is incrimented in 4 short positions and 4 long positions. Each ball placement in a sequence can be programed exactly with those settings on any ball thrown. The head on the Oukei robot looks exactly like the Amicus one, though I have not used a Butterfly robot yet, I wonder if they are from the same design house. Y&T, Donic, Nittaku robots are from the same build as far as the head goes, but with different controls and minor elements thrown in. Also, Y&T should be releasing the 989G very soon! Maybe able to ship when Chinese New Year is finished. More info as soon as normal business resumes in China. ------------- |
Posted By: Yipp7
Date Posted: 02/09/2009 at 3:54pm
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Just a little bit about my Double Snakes robot.... Quiet operation is something that one should look for in a robot and my Snake is a quiet hiss of spinning motors Random play is not offer per such with the Snake BUT... plently of random action is available simply by setting the head ossicilation speed and ball throw frequency to various settings. It will give you all you want because of this timing.
Catch net and dust control system is well thought out from the time the balls enter the catch net, rolling over to the catch basin, the catch basin itself and up the feed tube. All aspects of this design are with dust control in mind before the balls enter the head and the throw wheels.
The set up for play with the robot is quite simply easy on easy off- less than 3 minutes.
Hand held remote is a boon when you have balls flying all over the place you just need press off on the remote held in your off racket hand.
Quality construction = Yes
The most important feature/function of the robot is the multitude of spins and speeds- everything you would ever want.
No robot is a replacement for a human practice partner but for advancing your timing, strokes and footwork a good robot can't be beat. Not to mention a good physical workout.
Yipp
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Posted By: Yipp7
Date Posted: 02/09/2009 at 3:56pm
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Just a little bit about my Double Snakes robot.... Quiet operation is something that one should look for in a robot and my Snake is a quiet hiss of spinning motors Random play is not offer per such with the Snake BUT... plently of random action is available simply by setting the head ossicilation speed and ball throw frequency to various settings. It will give you all you want because of this timing.
Catch net and dust control system is well thought out from the time the balls enter the catch net, rolling over to the catch basin, the catch basin itself and up the feed tube. All aspects of this design are with dust control in mind before the balls enter the head and the throw wheels.
The set up for play with the robot is quite simply easy on easy off- less than 3 minutes.
Hand held remote is a boon when you have balls flying all over the place you just need press off on the remote held in your off racket hand.
Quality construction = Yes
The most important feature/function of the robot is the multitude of spins and speeds- everything you would ever want.
No robot is a replacement for a human practice partner but for advancing your timing, strokes and footwork a good robot can't be beat. Not to mention a good physical workout.
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Posted By: Yipp7
Date Posted: 02/09/2009 at 4:00pm
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Also, I forgot this
Thanks Rich215 for all your help
Yipp
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Posted By: Rich215
Date Posted: 02/10/2009 at 9:29am
Yipp..... I thought you would never get back to us with your review. Must be your arm is in a sling from total muscle failure...  Great addition to the review, it is a sweet unit for sure. The Double Snakes robot is so quiet and smooth. Awesome design and build. That remote is pretty handy and such a cool addition. Did you put some labels on the control pad, or have you already learned Chinese...? That was my first thought, to put English labels on the control pad. But I guess that if you use it for awhile, you will recall the various functions of all those buttons soon enough. Let me know when you modify it with a computer to control it! Hopefully you can get it to serve you diner too! ------------- |
Posted By: Vikroda
Date Posted: 02/11/2009 at 2:59am
I've been researching computer controlled motors & servos (though if you just tapped into the control box you could probably have computer control without having to directly control the motors). Controlling a brushed DC motor seems relatively straightforward; however, with a brushless motor you need an ESC to get the timing right for the 3 phases. Do you know if the motors for the throwing wheels are brushed or brushless (for the Double Snake)? Because you mentioned that it was so quiet I was thinking that it might be brushless (there are two wires for a brushed motor and three for a brushless). Also, how are the motors that control the up/down, left/right, and rotation set up? Are they stepper motors, servos or just plain DC motors?
How fast is the fastest shot of the Double Snake? Is it comparable to the Newgy or Amicus? Or does it have high-speed motors like the Prakktismate?
Do the motors run in reverse to get extra top/back spin? (eg top motor going fast forward and bottom one going reverse to get a slow, heavy top spin or opposite for backspin).
I took apart a Butterfly Amicus and found that the up/down and left/right for the deflector shield are controlled by stepper motors. I plan to replace them with hobby servo motors to increase accuracy and simplify control (I plan to control everything with my PC + Arudino instead of the control box). Currently there are fairly significant discrete steps so, for example, the ball may just hit into the net but if you tap the control slightly up you'll have a ball about 6-10 inches above the net instead of just clearing it. It's the same with the left-right control (there a streaks on my table from the places where the balls land). Has anyone here glued an old rubber sheet to the deflector (on the outside) to dampen the "ping" (pun intended ^^;; ) when the ball hits the deflector?
Do you know if the throwing wheels & rubber ring of the Double Snake are available for purchase separately? I was thinking to replace the foam throwing wheels of the Amicus with something with a little more grip. The double snake throwing wheels look that they would be better than the Amicus wheels. I've also been looking at some model airplane wheels http://www.servocity.com/html/precision_disk_wheels.html - http://www.servocity.com/html/precision_disk_wheels.html (I also want to upgrade the Amicus motors and add something to make it automatically rotate for side-spin or to compensate for the side-spin that's induced by the deflectors. By the time I'm done I'll have almost a completely new robot ^^)
Leshxa, any progress on your homemade robot? |
Posted By: Leshxa
Date Posted: 02/11/2009 at 9:46am
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No physical progress, just a drawing board for now. We need to get access to more than one robot for analysis, since its best to pick the best designs from all or at least compare them to derive our own. Will update if there will be anything in the works. Perhaps I'll expose a blog once we have anything physical to show. ------------- Back to table tennis... |
Posted By: Nutriment6464
Date Posted: 02/11/2009 at 10:40am
| I got a supermaster from china and no problems at all, hope it will last long ! |
Posted By: Rich215
Date Posted: 03/16/2009 at 5:30pm
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I have made a correction/update with the Donic DL-163 robot. At the time of the review, I did not realize this robot would run on either 110 or 220 voltage. It only needs a simple adapter for the end plug. So the Super Master and the Donic robots will take 110 voltage and not require a voltage transformer. ------------- |
Posted By: Rich215
Date Posted: 11/01/2009 at 10:23pm
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Nov, 1st 2009. Added a review of the new Double Snakes FQJ-4 robot in the top post.
Quite an impressive offering from Double Snakes I must say! Special thanks goes out to Shamoo for letting me conduct the review with his robot. He is the first person as far as I know to own one in the USA.
For some reason.... I can not put a picture in the top post.  http://www.fareastsports.com/index.php?gOo=article_details.dwt&articleid=11 - Double Snakes FQJ-4 Review ------------- |
Posted By: Cyberpukish
Date Posted: 11/01/2009 at 11:37pm
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Thanks Rich! Saving up for the FQJ-4, if you have more info on it please post! |
Posted By: Rich215
Date Posted: 11/04/2009 at 10:51am
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I did not have time to create any vids of the Double Snakes new robot, so here are some vid clips from someone in China with a FQJ-4 robot in use. http://www.tudou.com/home/item_u1302284s0p1.html - TUDOU http://www.tudou.com/home/item_u1302284s0p1.html - http://www.tudou.com/home/item_u1302284s0p1.html VIDS OF FQJ-4 ------------- |
Posted By: shamoo
Date Posted: 11/17/2009 at 1:52am
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Great review Rich. You seem to have gleaned more from the robot than I have in weeks lol! you definitely live up to your title. Those are some nice videos, thanks for the link...
incidentally, if there are any other FQJ-4 owners or even version 2 or 3, if you have favorite settings to post that would be great. |
Posted By: alexcsibi
Date Posted: 11/17/2009 at 3:01am
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Good job Rich! Sent you a PM. Would appreciate a quick response if you have the time... ------------- Blade: Stiga Infinity VPS FH: Spinart BH: Stiga Clippa |
Posted By: Rich215
Date Posted: 11/18/2009 at 11:22am
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Thanks shamoo and alexcsibi (pm sent) alex, I would seriously talk to someone that has used the Amicus 3000 pro before you make the decision that it is the best. I have no actual experience with this robot, but have talked to several that have. Most regretted the purchase and wished they had spent less than half on another robot. The biggest issue was setup and dealing with the catch net. They were tired quickly of the setup time for home use going from playing with partner to setting up robot..to playing with partner again. But for club or training facility, it may be more appreciated. I will be doing a review on the new Oukei TW 2700-S9 dual head in the nest month or so. At half the cost of the Amicus, it may be a much better alternative. Oukei does a fantastic job of making controls.....but I am not much of a fan of their foam throwing wheels and "tunnel" deflector. Butterfly and Oukei are the exact same heads in this regards. ------------- |
Posted By: sonydn
Date Posted: 12/03/2009 at 10:07am
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Hi Rich;
Thank you for all the great reviews. They are very detail and informative. I have a question about the tw2700-8 and YT 989E. I know that, with these, you cannot have the subsequence ball with different type of spin. But can you program the spin intensitive for each ball. For example, ball 1 with heavy under spin follow by ball 2 with mild underspin and then ball 3 with litle under spin.
Thanks;
Sony
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Posted By: Rich215
Date Posted: 12/03/2009 at 5:57pm
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sonydn....thanks for your support! The 989E and the Oukei 08 robots will not do as you wish unfortunately. ------------- |
Posted By: ausinator
Date Posted: 12/03/2009 at 8:40pm
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Hey Rich, quick question. If lets say i wanted to buy the donic robot, where would i get it? Why does the official donic robot not have the robot on their website. When i visit the official Donic website and go to their robot section it seems they are selling rebranded newgy robots.
http://www.donic.de/index.php?screen=dstore.home&CVID=18773 this is really wierd. Does donic still support the robot you reviewed? and why do they not even have a website for it? thnx ------------- Donic Waldner Black Devil FH - Andro Roxon 330 BH - Joola Energy Green Power X-sfot |
Posted By: Rich215
Date Posted: 12/03/2009 at 9:42pm
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ausinator, good guestion. I always wondered that too. When I did the review for it, far east sports called it a donic. There were no Donic logos or names on the box or any lititure. Maybe it was something lost in translation. The company is called DDNO in China. http://www.ddno.cn/index.asp - DDNO WEBSITE Its basically a Y&T type build with a real nice digital control pad. Very nice robot. It looks like the changed the ball pushing mechanism on the new colored versions (DL 263-DL 261) from a piston device to a cork screw one like Oukei uses. I believe it is the same robot otherwise. Far East Sports is the only place with English I have ever seen it sold. Let me know if you have any other questions about it. ------------- |
Posted By: ausinator
Date Posted: 12/03/2009 at 10:36pm
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thnx for asking if I had another question, I actually do. three questions to be more precise.
First: there seems to be 3 "donic" robots. dl-163 - $950 http://www.fareastsports.com/index.php?gOo=goods_details.dwt&goodsid=690 dl - 261 - $835 http://www.fareastsports.com/index.php?gOo=goods_details.dwt&goodsid=222&productname= dl - 263 - $1075 http://www.fareastsports.com/index.php?gOo=goods_details.dwt&goodsid=221&productname= Which one is best for bang for the buck? which one would you recommend? Is there really any difference between the three? and my second question is, the prices are in which currency? u.s? and my third question is regarding shipping, the site says that they ship to the u.s. I live in Canada. do they ship to Canada? thank you Rich ------------- Donic Waldner Black Devil FH - Andro Roxon 330 BH - Joola Energy Green Power X-sfot |
Posted By: Rich215
Date Posted: 12/03/2009 at 10:55pm
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Aus.... The prior year models are DL163 and DL161. The new ones are almost identical except for the mechanism that pushes the balls up to the head. The only other change I can see is the color of the new DL263 and DL261. The 263 has 2 throwing wheels, and the 261 only has 1 throwing wheel. When I did the review on the DL163, I had a Y&T 989E. The DL163 seemed to have faster throwing wheel motors. Like I said in my review, this is the best bang for the buck! Yes, they sell worldwide and prices are in US currency. ------------- |
Posted By: ausinator
Date Posted: 12/03/2009 at 11:32pm
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thnx rich, i guess the dl163 it is.
appreciate all the help ------------- Donic Waldner Black Devil FH - Andro Roxon 330 BH - Joola Energy Green Power X-sfot |
Posted By: Eli 1212
Date Posted: 12/08/2009 at 4:24pm
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We talked a year ago about robots and am using a friends Newgy. I see that AMDT came out with a new robot and Y&T is also suppost to come out with one. Any new info? review in the future? thanks ELi ------------- THE BIG E |
Posted By: Rich215
Date Posted: 12/08/2009 at 7:00pm
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Eli 1212......your the guy in the Chicago area? How have you been? Scroll up if you have not read my review on the Double Snakes FQJ-4 ! I may do a review on the Oukei S9 soon....my initial impression is that they still do not have the ability to rotate the heads 90 degrees for pure side spin shots. This looks to be the case too with the Y&T versions, but I am not completely sure. If you look at the pictures of these robots with the dual heads, the heads are very close together and it appears they do not have enough space to line them up at 90 degree angles.....but I could be wrong as I also see that Y&T has used short stack type throwing wheel motors. The Y&T dual heads are not released yet. I must admit, I am not that fond of the Butterfly/Oukei heads with the foam wheels or the tunnel deflection design. Although Oukei does have very good control pad designs and functions. ------------- |
Posted By: shamoo
Date Posted: 12/08/2009 at 11:49pm
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Some update about using the FQJ-4..
Definitely lots of functions to sift through. One thing that I was surprised to learn is that the robot isn't really capable of doing alternating full back to top spin. it can do full right to left, in either top or backspin, but it can't go from top to back alternating (as far as I can figure out anyway). A little disappointing but the other functions make up for it I think. It does, however, have the ability to do a short backspin serve followed by a topspin shot. I still haven't explored all the functions yet.. but I did a combo today of alternating right and left topspin with short back-side spin serves mixed in, alternating 2 balls to forehand 1 ball to backhand. that was definitely a tiring workout! |
Posted By: olmosh
Date Posted: 12/10/2009 at 1:39pm
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Hi Rich,did You test y&ts-27?It is now on FES site for sale.Thanks. ------------- newcomer |
Posted By: Rich215
Date Posted: 12/10/2009 at 2:14pm
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The Y&T and Oukei Dual Head robots are now available, but it may be January before I will be able to do any reviews on them. They do look pretty promising from what little technical info I have learned lately. ------------- |
Posted By: GenomicsKnight
Date Posted: 12/10/2009 at 6:41pm
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@Rich I see http://www.amdtrading.us/tennis_robots.php - AMDTrading has a dual head robot too. Is that the same as Oukei one you mentioned? Thanks. ------------- CEO, Single Ply Hinoki Club TSP Dynam 10.5mm and other fine 1-ply Kiso Hinoki blades |
Posted By: Rich215
Date Posted: 12/10/2009 at 7:31pm
Yes, this is the new Oukei TW2700-S9. ------------- |
Posted By: olmosh
Date Posted: 12/11/2009 at 3:28pm
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Will look forward,Rich,for your S-27 review.Hope it wiil be free of (dual)troubles,like his one head "brother"V-989G ------------- newcomer |
Posted By: sonydn
Date Posted: 12/17/2009 at 12:45am
Hi Vikroda;
With the deflector, how accurate is the ball landing in the Amicus? Let's say when setting only one type A ball with top spin which landing in the middle of one half of the table, when playing repeately at the speed of 65-75 balls per minute, have you ever seen the ball landing off more than 6-12 inches right or left the desire spot? What is the percentage of off landing spot balls if any?
Have you successfully replaced the foam wheels with something with more grip?
Regards;
Sony
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Posted By: sonydn
Date Posted: 12/17/2009 at 1:37am
Would you please provide some inside why you don't like the foam wheels and the tunnel deflection design.
Thanks;
Sony
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Posted By: Rich215
Date Posted: 12/17/2009 at 9:51am
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Sonydn, basically on the foam wheels, they wear down and thus have to be adjusted. While this may not happen very quickly for some, it may happen faster for others pending on how many hours the robot is used (such as clubs, training centers, etc.). Just seems like the design could of used a hard rubber type wheel. As for the tunnel deflectors.......they make the robot loud and the ball spin off the wheels gets changed. But a good point on them is that they allow the control of up and down to be set from a control pad with the build design, and not from the manual adjustment at the head of the robot with other designs. But also, the Y&T 989G and all the Double Snakes robots have this up and down control set by the control pad and not a manual adjustment at the head of the robot. Double Snakes is far the best designed and implemented in the control factors for moving the head to various places with the control pad. ------------- |
Posted By: Rich215
Date Posted: 01/13/2010 at 11:58am
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News..... The Double Snakes FQJ-2 and FQJ-4 robots now have universal power supplies. So there is no need for a voltage transformer. Other news....I will most likely have a Y&T S27 Dual Head robot to test in about 1 month. I finally sold my snowmobile...and will either keep this robot or just buy the Double Snakes FQJ-4 robot. These are the two best ones it seems at this point. The Oukei S9 dual head is an option....but I just don't like the foam wheels and tunnel deflector part. The Oukei's have very good control pads though. More later...... ------------- |
Posted By: altaylar
Date Posted: 04/23/2010 at 12:07pm
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hi
will you do a review for oueki s-9 |
Posted By: Rich215
Date Posted: 04/27/2010 at 8:41am
I will have something soon. Check my other posting on the Y&T dual head, it will be posted and discussed there. ------------- |
Posted By: pbirchmeier
Date Posted: 05/02/2010 at 12:47pm
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Hi, I have been searching for a good robot for quite a while. Based on the many helpful reviews here on the forum, I tend to see the Double Snakes FQJ-4 as the option for me. However, I would have some open questions before buying it. - It was said that the robot was capable of doing top- and back-spin within the same sequence. However, alternating full top- and back-spin would not be possible. Shamoo even mentioned that the only combination of top- and back-spin he found was a short back-spin serve followed by a long top-spin. Does this mean that a long back-spin serve followed by a long top-spin for instance is not possible? How about alternating no-spins and top-spins? - How is the sequence short back-spin serve - long top-spin generated? By turning the head 180 degree or by inverting the wheels' rotation direction? - A more general question I have is related to the wheels: are they capable of rotating in both directions? I know these questions are very technical. I hoped that one of the newly presented double headed robots would convince me. This hasn't happened so far. I consider the one head's configuration flexibility (FQJ-4) as more useful than the fact that I can alternate back-spin and top-spin. In a real game scenario, I don't think it happens very often that I have to play top-spins and back-spins alternating, unless I am some sort of a defense player. In my opinion, a long back-spin followed by an unlimited number of top-spins is a more typical scenario. That's why I hope that the FQJ-4 supports this combo. |
Posted By: TT_64
Date Posted: 05/04/2010 at 6:57am
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Hi pbirchmeier, For what it's worth, allow me to share my evaluation process like yours which I did recently and concluded that the double head Y&T robot serves almost all my purposes. You are right about the fact that in real life matches it is usually a few strokes of underspin followed by a series of top spins rather than alternating unsderspin and top spin. Effectively, the FQJ4 and both the double head robots would perform this task well. FQJ has the added advantage of being fully adjustable although it is at a much higher cost. However, since you mention technical considerations, you might want to consider the engineering side of things which I went through. The Y&T S27 has 4 motors for the serving. The 4 serving motors are high speed motors which have to withstand tremendous stress throwing out balls continuously. Sometimes it will even have to withstand strikes from balls struck back. If there is any failure in the robot I'd expect it to occur in any of these 4 motors. With 2 heads it means there is redundancy. If you look at the FQJ4, it has only 2 motors for serving. Effectively, the two motors are already working twice as hard as the double head since it cannot alternate its serving between two heads. If you look at the dynamics of just 1 sequence of serving 1 underspin followed immediately by 1 topspin, the amount of stress on the motors are tremendous. The two motors have to spin one way to serve underspin balls, decelerate to zero speed and then accelerate hard in the other direction to top speed for topspin loops all within 1 second for realistic shots. It sounds like alot for the motors to do to me. The other issue I had to consider is that in the event that any of the rotational motors fail, will I still be able to adjust the angle of trajectory, type of spin etc manually and carry on using it. The FQJ does not seem to have any manual adjustment knobs. |
Posted By: Rich215
Date Posted: 05/04/2010 at 9:34am
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pbirchmeier, let me address a few of your questions and concerns. The Double Snakes robots are in a league all their own as far as ability to control all the movements and motors of the head from the control pad. No other robot comes close in my mind with Double Snakes abilities in this regard. I never got to use the Double Snakes FQJ-4 long enough to do anything but a simple test and quick review. So I never had a good chance to figure out all the advanced button functions and how they interact to make possible backspin to topspin combinations. I have a contact in NY that got the FQJ-4 in the past month or less. I am going to contact them at some point soon to see what they have figured out with the advanced functions. It's rather odd to me that most of the robot manufactures are not including exact data or a complete breakdown of their programmed sequences built in to the robot. The Double Snakes FQJ-4 and the Oukei S-9 are the 2 that stand out the most to me in this area as far as this need. As far as the ability to program a few of the sequences you have described, such as no spin to top spins, or alternating different spins on consecutive balls, I'm not totally sure the FQJ-4 will do exactly what you want here. But I would like to find out more about the FQJ-4's full abilities before I can make any claim in this area of the robot. It does cost a lot more than most of the other advanced robots, but there are many factors about it that makes it so enjoyable to use compared to other high end robots. It is still the one robot that I wish I owned. Like the Y&T robots, the Double Snakes robots excel at quickly setting up various shots and changing between them. But with the various preset shots and serves buttons, it is more in depth in this regard compared tot he Y&T designs. Add in the fact that it is the most quiet robot around, and its ability to create excellent ball flights, it's just simply a pleasure to use. Also, it is built quite strong and I do not see any motor or other parts failing with extended use. Most all the higher end robots use larger motors that can handle the stress of shooting balls out for a long lifespan in my opinion. But to also answer your questions directly about throwing wheel motors reversing or the head turning 180 degrees to make one ball a backspin and then next a topspin per say.....NO...the throwing wheel motors only spin consistently in one direction. They will however slow down or speed up with some robot designs. The difference in the speeds from top to bottom throwing wheels (offset of speeds between the top and bottom wheels), is what makes the spin or speed changes from ball to ball on some robots with that capability. For instance, on the Y&T 989E robot and a couple others, the long/short landing function was merely allowing the speeds of the throwing wheels to slow down for that particular shot that was to be the short landing spot. Other robots would make a short landing spot by the vertical head angle actually changing slightly. So as far as choosing between the advanced head controlling features of the FQJ-4, or one of the new double head robots with the ability to change ball spins from ball to ball and program the landing spots, it is a hard decision for many. I would not have this choice problem if Double Snakes comes out with a new robot that has dual heads and programmable landing spots....but at this point....who knows if that may happen. So you have to pick out the main area of your importance with choosing the higher end robots. As with all robots, they all have pro's and con's. No perfect robot has been created yet......unfortunately...I'm still waiting. This is why I have conducted so many reviews on robots. I hope I have helped many in the decision of which robot to purchase for their needs/wants. TT_64, I do not think the stress of throwing balls from a 2 head robot is much different in the lifespan or work load of the motors in any of the $1000 plus robots out there. The motors are all pretty heavy duty as far as the cans and magnets inside them go. These motors produce plenty of torque. I must say though, the new short can motors on the Y&T S-27 are highly impressive to what they use on their other robots. They are faster and slightly more quiet than the past ones used. Those were a huge upgrade in my opinion. And as far as motors failing...or i think you mean degrading in its speed or torque, this should not happen as fast as you are worried about. The cost of new motors is not expensive at all anyway if you need to replace them. I'm not sure what you are worried about if the motors fail on the FQJ-4 robot. Which ones are you referring to here? I see absolutely no possible situation of this happening to any of the motors that move the head to various positions. Those motors are not over worked at all because of the little use they get. But on the rare possibility that one does fail, those motors are much more cheaper than the larger throwing wheel motors, so I would never be concerned with that. The motors on a Super Master or Newgy for instance are very small and cheap in built compared to what the higher end robots use. But still there is not many failures with the cheaper motors used in the Newgy or Super Master robots these days. ------------- |
Posted By: TT_64
Date Posted: 05/04/2010 at 11:11am
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Hello Rich215 Thanks for your clarification. If it is just acceleration and deceleration of the two wheels to different relative speed without actual reversal in rotation, the stress on the motors would be alot less. I've understood that one wrongly. As to my worry about possible failure to the motors, I am more referring to the change of spin as well as the up/down motors. It is true that they are seldom used and the loads are relatively light, however, being an engineer, I am just being paranoid about having a manual override when things go wrong so that I can carry on using it while waiting for replacement parts. Considering the temperature and the humidity variation over here in Singapore, it may cause some problems to the plastic gears or overheating. I still remember the problems that continental cars had when they were first imported into Singapore. |
Posted By: twain
Date Posted: 08/09/2010 at 5:31pm
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Rich, I read with much interest your reviews, and very comprehensive they are. One question I wonder if you or anyone knows is this. I have used a newgy robopong and on oscillation you can set it to fire balls slowly or quickly whilst oscillating at the same speed - thus you never quite know where the ball is going to land.
With the Double Snake 2 it seems to operate the same, but there is mention on the Double snake 4 that it is different. Do you know what this difference is and whether you can still set the oscillation on this basis, or whether the ball fires at exact fixed points and this sort of randomness is lost?
Many thanks
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Posted By: Irrelephant
Date Posted: 08/09/2010 at 9:34pm
The motors on the Double snakes, supermaster, newgy, and smart pong are all identical, at least dimensionally. All 'commercial' 540-550 permanent brushed dc motors, nominal 9-15v. These things are in everything, not just robots. R/C cars use them a lot (how I got familiar with them). Interestingly, the newgy, double snakes and supermaster motors and wheels use exactly the same pressed on output shaft with two little flats. I tried to put a newgy wheel on the smart pong, but it's just a little to wide. The wheels on the supermaster and Newgy are dimensionally the same, and the doublesnakes is very close. I don't know if the rubber is the same. All these robots clearly share a common design history. Check it out sometime, it's pretty silly how little these robots differ. They're all just ripping each other off or the design is being outsourced to one guy in china. You could just buy spare parts from all of them and make a frankenstein for less then a new one. On the upside, you can just buy new wheels from newgy for 4 bucks or something if you have one of those robots. I bought a bunch for a school project and i still have some left over. They are even the same on all the newgy robots I think. |
Posted By: Rich215
Date Posted: 08/09/2010 at 10:00pm
twain, the FQJ-4 does not oscillate back and forth like the FQJ-2. The FQJ-4 has a fixed position setting for left to right landing spots. So you can set a position then the robot will shoot balls to that exact landing spot one after another. Instead of the full oscillation mode that the FQJ-2 has...the FQJ-4 uses the various pre-programmed advanced functions to give you various changes in landing spots. I wish they would of added the same full left to right oscillation mode the FQJ-2 has on the FQJ-4. Not sure why they did not have that in the FQJ-4. But after using the FQJ-4, this was not that big of a problem with the added features the FQJ-4 has over the FQJ-2. ------------- |
Posted By: Rich215
Date Posted: 08/09/2010 at 10:19pm
Irrelevant, the motors are not even close to the same on the Double Snakes compared to the Super Master or Newgy (same as Super Master), not sure about the Smart Pong....but I hear it is of the same quality as the Newgy or Super Master. The cans are not 540's on the Super Master. I recall the last time I took one apart, they are maybe a 380 or close to that size.....very whimpy actually in comparison to a 540. I know what a 540 is...I used to race RC cars for way too long and have a basement full of cars and parts still. But size of the can is one thing....the inerts are another. The rubber throwing wheels on the Double Snakes and Super Master robots are different in compound. They work about the same though. Both are rubber covers with a plastic hub.... but again the Super Master plastic is not as good as the Double Snakes. But you are correct on the lower end robots like the Newgy, Super Master, Smart Pong robots, they are close to basic design elements in the mechanical end of it. They are miles apart from any other high end robots like the Y&T's, Oukei's, Double Snakes, and a few others. ------------- |
Posted By: Rich215
Date Posted: 09/16/2010 at 2:18pm
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The Super Maser 5th Generation robot is now available. It has a few nice updates that make it a much better robot than all the past versions. http://www.fareastsports.com/index.php?gOo=article_details.dwt&articleid=16 - SUPER MASTER 5 ------------- |
Posted By: TaFei
Date Posted: 09/17/2010 at 4:18am
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I have a Supermaster T288 3rd generation with a double motor. Contrary to what people say, you can increase the spin without a speed increase, is not true. Increasing the spin by even 1 on the scale 0f 1-8, will send the ball some 3 feet further out. Which means that not only is the micro adjustments a hassle, but is virtually impossible to experience the full backspin to a certain point on the table. I don't know if other brands can do better, but any help from those owning Supermaster regarding this would be appreciated. I was thinking of buying a second hand Ipong to fill in this blank spot, but the high courier costs scuttled my plans. ------------- Beware !!! GIVI motor boxes drop off on slightest bump on the road. Don't use for safety's sake. And SACK sharara !!!!!!! |
Posted By: umibozuuu
Date Posted: 10/05/2010 at 12:18am
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I'm still unsure about some terminology.. Long/Short I would like to call 'depth', the other dimension of the table plane other than left/right.Left/Right is divided into 1-9 or 1-11 for OuKei resp Y&T, and depth is divided into 1-8 for OuKei and into 2 for Y&T (right?). I'll say 1 is closest to the net and use (left/right,depth) notation for landing spots. Then there's the Vertical angle head movement (throw angle), which I take to mean '0 is horizontal, 90 (obviously unfeasible) straight up, -90 straight down'. One thing I really don't get is whether or not the language 'landing spot' as it is used in the reviews, the documents, the ads etc actually means just the (left/right) coordinate or the actual spot on the table (left/right, AND depth)? Q1)Say I want a (9,3) then a (1,8) - with identical speed and spin: what robots can give that? Obviously dual-heads..if I want nothing else in the sequence I can waste a head per landing spot. What about single heads?I'm given the impression the tw2700-08 with its single head can let me do any sequence of actual spots say (5,4)(6,3)(8,2)(7,5), that easy. With the Y&T you have to use the Long/Short button but I'm given the impression it works just the same, only the depth is divided into 1-2 not 1-8? Do they need to change vertical head angle to make that happen? (Deflector design robots presumably don't need to change vertical angle to change landing depth, I seem to see there is a 'top-bottom deflector' above the 'left-right' deflectors? If and how a non-deflector design robot can change landing depth during a sequence while maintaining speed and spin is beyond me. Maybe by changing wheel speed on the go, and counting on air friction to gradually take away that extra speed before the ball reaches me :s? But I'm under the impression that wheel speed never ever changes during a sequence! (right?)) Is it true that in output, the effect of the top-bottom deflector is much like that of changing the head throw angle? Q2) I'm trying to figure out an example of why it's bad that wheel speeds are set dependently on the OuKei S9. I think this is it: I want to play with the same placement, first mild topspin then heavy topspin. Again, with two heads: easy. Now using one head, I have to hit N mild topspins first then stop, push some buttons and then go for the heavy topspins. When I change the spin setting, the faster-thrown ball will land further out (Is this notable?) , so I have to change the depth setting too (to a closer the net depth to end up with same effective depth), and what's more I'm getting a faster ball? Is there no other example illustrating the woes of having dependent wheel speeds? Q3)I wonder which robots can manage to produce in sequence the two different types of slow topsin serve described below landing in the same spot. Say I want to practice returning slow topsin serves to (5,2), but some have a vertical bounce(- in real play if the serve's first bounce was closer to the server's side of the net, usually -) and others a more forward bounce (when serve's first bounce was closer to the server, and often the ball as hit by server would be a bit faster but not necessarily depending on skill). One way would certainly be to change the "vertical head / throw angle" for each of the balls. So I would think that OuKei's tw2700-08 AND S9 can do it? And if Y&Ts can do it, it would be using some other trick, since i believe the Y&T vertical head angle cannot be adjusted in-sequence, being manually operated and all. It would seem impossible that any deflectorless robot manage this, because whatever settings you use, the throwing head is at a given point? (On this topic, it would be awesome to make nets where you can poke the robot through in several places so you don't always get a ball thrown from the middle.) ------------- Samsonov Alpha CS:higher2.0 /PRO XP2.0 Galaxy E4 CS:LKT Red Diamond/729 Sky Wing 2.0 |
Posted By: umibozuuu
Date Posted: 10/07/2010 at 12:36am
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So thanks to reading through things again and copious detailed clarifications from Rich215, I think I can answer my own questions: Q1) None of them can, because the Long/Short (button on Y&T) or (setting on OuKei) are applied randomly!  Why, oh why would they stick to that? Maybe the choice to drop Long or Short is made at mechanically convenient moments not 'actual randomly'? Q2)yes, that's pretty much the problem right there. Q3) Maybe Double Snakes,using the ability to adjust head angle in sequence. The market now has some amazing machines compared to a few years ago! Still, as someone who doesn't even own a robot yet, I want my future opponent to last me endless evenings of fun. After some brooding, a few design points leave me feeling "faraway, so close": -It seems the OuKei landing depth from a given head (on tw2700-08!) can be only one of two things inside a given sequence (ie the chosen Long depth and the chosen Short depth). Since that landing depth is obtained through adjusting the top/bottom deflector, which is presumably the same quality of actuator as the left/right deflector (which itself IS able to change several positions in sequence), OuKei seems close to achieving the ability to do sequences of 3 or more different depths. -On the two-headers both Y&T and OuKei ditched the Long/Short feature. This is really surprising as is the wheel speed coupling for OuKei.. Finally, it can't hurt to wish for a future where 'points from' would be various places: -Having multiple (doorlike open or closed) position-holes in the netting would allow the robot to be poked through elsewhere than midtable. So diagonal loops on a ball coming "straight to my backhand down the line" would be more realistic than if I stand midtable, where I can't do a proper diagonal hit. -Having a Jack-like contraption somewhere below the ball basket+vertical ball pipe section, and making it stable would allow easy raising of the robot. Let's see how things develop :D ------------- Samsonov Alpha CS:higher2.0 /PRO XP2.0 Galaxy E4 CS:LKT Red Diamond/729 Sky Wing 2.0 |
Posted By: sermft
Date Posted: 01/28/2011 at 9:16pm
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I`m building a robot at home and don`t know what motor should I use... any sugestions please specifications and model of motor if possible thanks ------------- sermft |
Posted By: sermft
Date Posted: 01/28/2011 at 9:34pm
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IM building a homemade robot and dont know what motor to use best any suggestions! thanks ------------- sermft |
Posted By: SSSKUO
Date Posted: 02/07/2011 at 4:18am
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HI
I HAVE 540 AND SUPERMASTER -2.
THE 540 CANNNOT DO NONE SPIN AND A LITTLE TOO SLOW WHEN I NEED . SO I UPGRADE THE SUPERMASTER THAT CAN DO WHAT I NEED.
THE SUPERMASTER-2 ALL NONE SPIN AT ANY TYPE OF ADJUST .AND NOW I MADE TWO SWITCHS..
THE FIRST SWITCH:
ONE ON/OFF SWITCH FOR TOP MOTOR WHICH MAKE TOP WHEEL "SPIN" OR " STOP"( THIS WHEEL DO NOT STOP WHEN YU ADJUST THE SPEED TO "0" ,THAT IS WHY THEY ALWAYS NONE SPINE)..>>THIS CHENGE MAKE BOTTOM SPIN BECOME TRUE. AND THE SPEED SLOWER TO WHAT I NEED.
THE SECOND SWITCH:
IS A THREE WAYS SWITCH..MAKE THE BOTTOM WHEEL CAN "FOREWAOD" ."STOP" OR "BACKWORD"..YES """BACKWORD""".
AFTER THOSE CHANGES I GET WHAT I NEED..FIX THE PROBLEMS OF SUPERMASTER..
I GET
1./BOTTOM SPIN WITH SLOWER SPEED.
2./NONE SPIN. WHICH SAME AS WHAT SUPERMASTER COME.
3./TOP SPIN WITH GOOD SPEED WHICH COMPARE WITH 540.
4./HIGH THROW HIGH SPIN LOOP (SLOW AND VERY SPIN)...THIS USE BACKWORD BOTTOM WHEEL..
I AM NOT SURE WHY MY SUPERMASTER CAN NOT HAVE A STOP WHEEL WHEN THE SPEED NUMBER IS "0"..BUT I AM A VERY HAPPY MAN NOW...^--^.
WHY I DON`T MAKE THE TOP WHEEL BACKWORD. AS EVEN AT STOP MODE.. THE BOTTOM SPIN IS VERY HEAVY ALREADY. YOU CAN DO THAT IF YU NEED IT.
HAPPY NEW YEAR
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Posted By: TaFei
Date Posted: 02/09/2011 at 6:33am
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The problem I have with the Supermaster 4 is that I cannot adjust a heavy backspin without a corresponding forward velocity. In other words, I cannot have a short powerful backspin like a short service.
Anyone knows how to adjust this? TIA ------------- Beware !!! GIVI motor boxes drop off on slightest bump on the road. Don't use for safety's sake. And SACK sharara !!!!!!! |
Posted By: SSSKUO
Date Posted: 02/09/2011 at 6:51pm
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hi
for heavy back spin. need to do some change for supermaster.
1./try to make sure when adjust the top wheel to "zero" ..check the top wheel in the robot.. if still running. yu need to add a little switch to stop the wheel(motor). this will make a better back spin.. even the wheel free(). the easy way is to stop the wheel by something and play>> yu will see the different.
2./if this is not enough spin for yu.. just change the switch to 3 ways. can make wheel forewaord/stop/ backword. yu will get a very heavy backcpin( can be adkjust also). slow or fast you can adjust too.
 ps: the DC MOTOR IS VERY EASY TO MAKE THOSE CHANGE. JUST ADD A SMALL SWITCH AND CHANGE THE - AND + WHEN YU SWITCH..
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Posted By: dimist
Date Posted: 02/22/2011 at 6:26am
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Hi, I bought last year a super master TT Robot at September 2009 from Far East. I Thing it was Gen 3. After several months the robot starts to act very strange. It starts to move the head and throw balls very slow or very fast. Obviously, it seems that there is a problem with the controller. After a while the problem stops and it starts again after some months. At the moment (from December 2010) the robot is not usable because that problem starts almost every time we try to use it in our club. I have several emails with Far East, they send me an answer very fast, bat no solution. There last email says that because my robot is several !!!!! (15 moths old) generations old they are not sure if they have old spear parts or if they can send me a new controller. The situation is very uncomfortable (to be polite) because are depended from that robot to work with multiple kids in ours club. Another problem is with the plastic base that connects the robot with the table. After 15 months the plastic is bended and the robot is looking the roof (so we adjust the heads). That piece must be replaced with a metallic one. The same thing happens to a nwegy robot after 10 years. Also the rubber that covers the wheels it looks to be very cheep since it needs to be replaced after a very sort period (the nwegy has the same rubbers for years) . So i thing even if i was planing to buy a Y&T S-27 dual head in the future, no more Chinese robots for me. There ideas are fine, bat the save money in critical points. I will collect the extra money for a Tibhar RoboproMaster with appropriate support . ------------- Blade: CORBEL BUTTERFLY FH�: TENERGY 05 BH: ROXON 450 |
Posted By: Vikroda
Date Posted: 04/13/2011 at 11:09pm
I believe Newgy contracted some guy to design their robot. That person then went on to make the Supermaster. I'm not sure if some of Newgy's rights were violated in that process. The Amicus and TTmatic robots are both quite different than the robots you mentioned. I was going to attempt to replace the brushed motors of my amicus with brushless motors (to decrease the noise when no ball was being ejected). I bought some brushless model airplane motors from Hobby King but they were too small and now I'm currently too busy. Since the Double Snakes was reported by Rich to be very quiet between points I was guessing that it used a brushless motor, but maybe I'm mistaken. I see on the doublesnakes web site (http://www.doublesnakes.com/en/u_5388.htm) that the FQL-5 is described. The English is a bit awkward but it looks like this version is programmable:
The picture of the FQL-5 controller looks a bit different than the other models. http://www.weihaiss.cn/en/producd_37675.html Rich, are you going to review this robot? |
Posted By: Rich215
Date Posted: 04/15/2011 at 5:21pm
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Vikroda, I do not plan on getting either of the 2 new Double Snakes robots for any reviews. I do know one will be close to 2.8 to $3K though. I have some data on them, and will go over it with Shelby probably this weekend to let you all know what it does over the other models especially the FQJ4. On one of them, the controller does show landing spot programming buttons in the pics. I am recuperating from a bad recurring spinal injury that has not let me play in 5 weeks now, but I will also give you all a sneak peak and info on the NewStar robot I have been testing since the end of Feb, it does many things no other robot does so far.......very nice performance for advanced training. More later. ------------- |
Posted By: Rich215
Date Posted: 04/15/2011 at 5:36pm
Pretty much all the robots except 2 are all made in China. The Tibhar one your speaking of is a Y&T S27 with Tibhar name on it. But also, the Super Master robot is a very low end product, not even close to any robot that is $1000 or more. Y&T is by far the best company to get support from directly or from any of their resellers. ------------- |
Posted By: Vikroda
Date Posted: 04/16/2011 at 1:37pm
| Rich, sorry to hear about the injury. |
Posted By: ttbeginner
Date Posted: 06/12/2011 at 1:32am
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Rich, What's the difference between Super master 5 and the Newgy 2050?
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Posted By: Rich215
Date Posted: 06/12/2011 at 6:03pm
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ttbeginner, the 2 robots are built almost exactly the same. The differences are that the Super Master robots have 2 throwing wheels and the Newgy robots only have one throwing wheel. This means that you can not separate spin from speed on the Newgy robots. So for example when you increase/decrease the speed of a ball.....the spin increases/decreases with it. The Super Master has two throwing wheels you can set each wheel to a different speed and then change spin amount separately from ball speed. This allows for making no spin balls and also various degrees of spin with various ball speed. The Newgy robots (1050 and 2050) have digital control pads that can be hooked up to a PC to set various landing spots for the balls in a sequence. The Super Master robot has the typical settings for top wheel speed, bottom wheel speed, balls per min, and also the ability to set a width of span for when the robot is set to oscillate left to right while shooting balls. The Newgy robots have these same basic settings, just that the Newgy robots have only one motor speed setting for the single wheel. That's basically it. So yo need to decide which is more important to you. 1. ability to have exact landing spots left to right, and a few stages of long to short. NEWGY 2. ability to separate spin from speed to create various types of throw balls. Super Master ------------- |
Posted By: pongfan20
Date Posted: 10/31/2011 at 12:56pm
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Hi Rich, I firmly believe that you are the authority in Ping-Pong Robot reviews. By far, I have seen the best and detailed description of Robots from you. I have been playing for a little while now (with friends) and would like to invest in a decent Robot. My budget is about $500-$600 range. I looked at Newgy 2050 ($630) and Super Master 5th generation ($602) robots so far. Assuming their price is identical, which one do you recommend that I buy. If there is anything else in this ball-park that you feel would be a better value, please advise. I would like to have a recycling net to catch the returned balls at the least. Thanks, |
Posted By: Rich215
Date Posted: 10/31/2011 at 2:30pm
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Pongfan20....thanks for your kind words. If your budget is about $600......you might be able to find a deal on a Newgy 2050 for much less. It has the ability to hook up to a PC and program landing spots. No robot under that amount has this ability. If you want a 2 wheel robot for close to that amount....the Aw32 one at Paddle Palace is very solid and built much much stronger (good option if your in the USA). It just does not have programing ability for landing spots, but has basically the same abilities as a Supermaster robot but 10x better build quality. They all come with catch nets too. You could even find a much cheaper Newgy 1050 if you just need a basic robot to feed you some balls. ------------- |
Posted By: pongfan20
Date Posted: 10/31/2011 at 3:45pm
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Thank you Rich. I certainly appreciate your response. I looked at the Aw32 and the reviews look great. The Newgy 2050 is at $630 and Aw32 is $695 plus shipping I think. I don't know how critical would the programming ability for landing spots prove (or the 2 wheel feature for that matter) after a few months of play but if price wasn't a consideration between the two which one would you buy? I prolly won't be buying another one for several years. And yes, it will be shipped in Virginia, US. Thanks in advance for your help. |
Posted By: pongfan20
Date Posted: 10/31/2011 at 10:21pm
| I just went through the user manual for both Aw32 and 2050. It seems that 2050 can do a lot more stuff that Aw32 can and provides a lot more variety (pre-programmed drills). It didn't seem like having just one rotor makes a huge difference. So unless you disagree, I'm going to go for 2050 tomorrow. Cheers! |
Posted By: pongfan20
Date Posted: 11/01/2011 at 1:33pm
| Just ordered the 2050 from Newgy.com. Can't wait for it to arrive in 2 days. Thanks for your help, Rich. |
Posted By: Comrade7
Date Posted: 12/04/2011 at 8:33am
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Hi friends!
I bought a supermaster gen 5 t288 and I love it, great entry level robot, except for one slight flaw When you do backspin, ball exits robot at an ok speed but the backspin is violent. It's too unrealistic to try and loop back, no matter how hard you try. Does anyone know of a way to work around this? I was thinking maybe a dimmer on the bottom wheel motor perhaps? Anyone have a schematic for the control box? |
Posted By: swampthing
Date Posted: 12/04/2011 at 12:01pm
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You could try tilting the head down and shooting the ball at the table right in front of the robot to make the ball bounce twice before you receive it. This will take some spin off. I've thought about placing a hard bat on the robots side and shooting the ball at it first to take more off, but have not tried yet. ------------- Xiom Zetro Quad: FH: Hexer HD, BH: Hexer HD Galaxy K-4: Tibhar Nimbus Medium, Palio Blitz |
Posted By: baltazarek_brno
Date Posted: 02/02/2012 at 7:54am
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Hallo,
I would like to make my own home made TT robot. Do you anybody have Amicus or OUKEI TW2700 Robot ? I need dimension of throwing wheels and photo of throwing head. Can anybody help me ? Thank you.
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Posted By: neutronbomb
Date Posted: 02/02/2012 at 9:10am
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I have a supermaster 5 and a newgy 2040. The supermaster comes with the net table recycle and the 2040 becomes a 2050 since it is interchangeable with the net recycle. I use the newgy for realistic backspin and topspin since the motor speed can be set to vary during play. I use the supermaster for practicing against loops. It has two wheels. I switched the 2 wires on the bottom motor around. Now it can do realistic slow loops, something the newgy can't do. ------------- USATT Rating 2059 FH Tibhar 5Q+ BH Giant Dragon Long Hallmark Aurora |
Posted By: baltazarek_brno
Date Posted: 02/02/2012 at 2:07pm
| I need detailed photo of Amicus or TW2700 head. Are there stepper motors ? I am going to use servo motors HITEC for airplane. For throwing wheels will be used small DC motors GRAUPNER SPEED 280 6V or SPEED 400 6V. Which is better. How big motors are in the robots ? |
Posted By: baltazarek_brno
Date Posted: 02/03/2012 at 1:38pm
| Nobody have Amicus or TW2700 robot ? |
Posted By: slevin
Date Posted: 07/02/2012 at 3:14pm
| What is the best-value 2-wheel robot on which one can run simple drills (like the Falkenberg, etc)? |
Posted By: Egghead
Date Posted: 07/02/2012 at 5:31pm
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This qukei 2700-v1 looks very promising :) http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Qukei-2700-V1-Portable-Programmable-Table-Tennis-Robot-W-Romote-Control-balls-/180874556773?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a1cf6b565 - http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Qukei-2700-V1-Portable-Programmable-Table-Tennis-Robot-W-Romote-Control-balls-/180874556773?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a1cf6b565 ------------- Aurora ST: Rhyzm / Talent OX |
Posted By: GoldenDragoon
Date Posted: 07/02/2012 at 10:44pm
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It does look nice.for what is does. ------------- Blade: Nexy Spartacus FL 84g FH: Evolution FX-P Max Blk BH: Evolution EL-P 1.9 Red |
Posted By: slevin
Date Posted: 07/03/2012 at 11:39am
not clear on whether it is programmable (like the Newgy 1050 / 2050) or not. And I wish there were more reviews
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Posted By: pnachtwey
Date Posted: 07/03/2012 at 12:18pm
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I don't like any of them. Sure the robot are OK at a basic level but until the two wheel robots can make their heads spin in reverse they can't truly simulate a chop or a loop. I can understand why the under $1000 robots can't do this but there is NO excuse for the over $2000 robots. I have a Newgy that I play with from time to time. I wish I had bought a two wheel robot or better yet a two headed robot with two throw wheels each. My company makes motion controllers and I could easily modify the robot by removing their controls and supplies and substitute my own. Then making the wheels spin backwards or any way I want would be trivial. ------------- I TT therefore I am |
Posted By: Leshxa
Date Posted: 07/13/2012 at 5:17pm
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I was interested in this robot before and after some looking around it is a Killerspin trademarked Oukei 2700 V1 robot. The Oukei version is 200 bucks cheaper.
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Posted By: Leshxa
Date Posted: 07/13/2012 at 5:26pm
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Exactly! I would like to find out more about it nevertheless. How would it compare to Newgy, since they are the same price. ------------- Back to table tennis... |
Posted By: Rich215
Date Posted: 07/15/2012 at 2:24pm
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I can only give you all little info on this robot so far....as I have
not really looked into it or had the opportunity to do any more robot
reviews lately. I can tell you a few things though. It is a pretty good lower ended robot and one I would not mind owning actually. Oukei has always been super solid as far as build quality and functionality with no problems. I like the basic functions the robot has compared to the other sub $900 robots. One thing right off that some may not be happy with....is that the head does not rotate for making any side spin balls. So your pretty much locked into various top spin, no spin, or back spin variations. I would say that is the only negative or downside for some users. On the upside: - It has random, fixed, and programmable left to right landing spots (5 spots from L to R). - It has separate speed setting for the top and bottom wheels. - Equipped with a nice catch net. - It has a memory function that recalls last use setup when turning the robot off...then on the next time. - Comes with 2 extra throwing wheels....like all Oukei robots do! +The wheel mounts are also adjustable. - Has a possible12V battery power system to be purchased separately some how...(not sure how as I have not seen a battery offered for it.. but maybe a simple motorcycle type battery can be wired to it). The robot is controlled by a hand held IR remote pad. This is nice to have with no extra wires to attach or get in the way of a fast setup to table. But I must say, I do like having the control pad attached to the side of the table. Sometimes it is faster to use a control pad/remote that is attached to the table side if you are the one hitting the balls. If someone is there to change and adjust setting while your hitting balls.....this is a nice feature to have with the wireless remote though.  If I do any further robot reviews....it will most likely be on this robot. http:////www.oukeiusa.com/download/tw-2700-v1.pdf - Here is the manual courtesy of OUKEI USA. ------------- |
Posted By: benfb
Date Posted: 07/15/2012 at 8:00pm
You know the head design for this robot looks an awful lot like the head design for the Butterfly Amicus, which is made in Hungary.
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Posted By: GoldenDragoon
Date Posted: 07/15/2012 at 8:19pm
The Newstar 2080 DOES reverse its throwing wheels. It can throw insane amounts of backsin (or topspin) at you that is near impossible to return. I love setting it up with a serve for my mates. One bounce on their side of the table then the ball travels back over the net.... Its seriously funny watching ppl try to get to this.... ------------- Blade: Nexy Spartacus FL 84g FH: Evolution FX-P Max Blk BH: Evolution EL-P 1.9 Red |