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Review: Timo Boll ZLC vs ZLF

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Topic: Review: Timo Boll ZLC vs ZLF
Posted By: super_tt
Subject: Review: Timo Boll ZLC vs ZLF
Date Posted: 01/28/2009 at 11:30am

After practicing for several times, I would like to share my impression of these 2 blades.

 

Specification:

Layers:  ZLC – 5+2, ZLF – 5+2

Thickness:  ZLC – 5.6mm, ZLF – 5.4mm

Weight:  ZLC – 85g, ZLF – 80g

Handle:  Both are ST

Rubbers:  Both sides of Tenergy 05 were stuck on ZLC and ZLF

 

My first impression was that the hitting feeling of ZLF is softer than ZLC. In addition, ZLC performs high speed than ZLF. But I can only say that different players would like to have different hitting feeling.  Therefore, I think the performance is more critical for reference.

 

Forehand practice:

ZLF generates softer feeling while looping and better trajectory can be generated in comparison to ZLC. It is due to adequate dwell time for making full stroke of looping. Higher returning rate can be achieved during competition mode. When hitting and smashing, ZLF generates a bit vibration while exerting greater force. The reason may be that ZLF has thinner structure and the fiber layer is softer than ZL carbon.

For ZLC, I feel stiffer feeling when looping and smashing. ZLC generates relatively less spin than ZLF due to the shorter dwell time and higher bouncing rate. You need to make full stroke of looping within a bit less time period than ZLF so that adequate spin can be generated. But I love the smashing power of ZLC.  Flat trajectory and greater power is achieved. Your competitor will have less chance to return. If skillful player handles this blade, I think great spin and high speed will be achieved.

 

Backhand practice:

Absolutely, ZLF performs better control and better looping on backhand when receiving the ball. The returning and landing point can be controlled well. ZLF is good for the player with backhand looping style. ZLC performs acceptable control when receiving the ball. Relative flat trajectory than ZLF is experienced on backhand looping. However, as I mentioned before, ZLC also performs better smashing power on backhand.

 

Limitations of ZLC and ZLF:

The player may need to have full stroke of hitting on ZLF so that the power and speed can be generated.   On the other hand, ZLC may require the player who mastered better looping skill and hand feeling so that the adequate spin can be performed.

 

Conclusion:

It’s all my personal opinion. It may not be available for everyone. It was concluded that ZLF is perfect for both-side looper and who can self-exert force in close table to achieve fast attack.  ZLF is suitable for the player who is mainly playing with looping and sometimes smashing.   Absolutely, ZLC is more powerful blade (in comparison with ZLF only). I would suggest the skillful player to try this blade.

 

Speed: ZLC > ZLF

Spin : ZLF > ZLC

Hand feeling of looping: ZLF > ZLC (It is just my personal point of view)

Hand feeling of smashing: ZLC > ZLF  (It is just my personal point of view)

 
ZLC and ZLF



Replies:
Posted By: super_tt
Date Posted: 01/28/2009 at 11:31am
hehe......my ZLC, ZLF and ALCTongueTongueTongue
 


Posted By: lildudejds
Date Posted: 01/28/2009 at 11:33am
I use a MIzutani now and was thinking about getting a ZLF. But now I'm worried it will be too slow....

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Posted By: super_tt
Date Posted: 01/28/2009 at 11:40am
hi,
 
I was using MIzutani Jun before. Tongue I love the hitting and looping feeling of this blade. Since the outer ply is made of Limba. I feel the Koto ply of ZLC and ZLF are bit stiffer for me......Sleepy


Posted By: lildudejds
Date Posted: 01/28/2009 at 11:41am
How much slower is the zlf than the mizutani?

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Posted By: super_tt
Date Posted: 01/28/2009 at 11:55am
Originally posted by lildudejds lildudejds wrote:

How much slower is the zlf than the mizutani?
 
heheTongue.....I try to explain with some figures
 
if mizutani = 90, then ZLF = 78


Posted By: lildudejds
Date Posted: 01/28/2009 at 11:58am
yikes. Probably too slow......Dang I was really excited about that blade too. And you would prefer Mizutani over the ZLC?

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Posted By: IAmI
Date Posted: 01/28/2009 at 12:03pm
So how would you rate ALL 3 blades in terms of speed? Is the ALC in between the 2 maybe closer to the ZLC? As stiff as the ZLC or perhaps even stiffer?
 
Thanks super, nice reiew!


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Posted By: super_tt
Date Posted: 01/28/2009 at 12:21pm
Originally posted by lildudejds lildudejds wrote:

yikes. Probably too slow......Dang I was really excited about that blade too. And you would prefer Mizutani over the ZLC?
 
In my opinion, if you have been using Mizutani.....absolutely, no need to go with ZLF.Tongue
 
As I have not practiced with Mizutani for a moment. I only remembered that the speed is closerLOL
 
However, my 2 pcs of Mizutani are approx 91g but the ZLC only has 85g.....
 
Let me practice with Mizutani and ZLC again....then making conclusionTongue
 
 


Posted By: super_tt
Date Posted: 01/28/2009 at 12:23pm
Originally posted by IAmI IAmI wrote:

So how would you rate ALL 3 blades in terms of speed? Is the ALC in between the 2 maybe closer to the ZLC? As stiff as the ZLC or perhaps even stiffer?
 
Thanks super, nice reiew!
oh........I only practiced with ALC for 20 mins............as I previously concentrated on ZLC anf ZLF.....
 
I will seriously try ALC and get back to you all very soonWink


Posted By: speedy
Date Posted: 01/28/2009 at 12:52pm
super_tt,

It's a GREAT review.  Clap

I would say that your review met the Speedy's standard if it mean anything to you.  Smile


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Posted By: super_tt
Date Posted: 01/28/2009 at 1:19pm
Originally posted by speedy speedy wrote:

super_tt,

It's a GREAT review.  Clap

I would say that your review met the Speedy's standard if it mean anything to you.  Smile
 
Hi Speedy
 
Thank youLOL
 
I will try my best in futureTongueTongueTongue


Posted By: LOOPMEISTER
Date Posted: 01/28/2009 at 1:52pm
Yes, great review...

Please do a review of the ALC vs. the ZLF... That's the review people have been waiting for on this message board!

Clap



Posted By: shigzeo
Date Posted: 01/28/2009 at 4:52pm
i do not really like butterfly but those are beautiful blades..

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Posted By: DeathAngel
Date Posted: 01/28/2009 at 9:20pm
Do you think that the Photino would have more dwell time because of the Hinoki outer plies or would the ZLF?

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Posted By: lildudejds
Date Posted: 01/29/2009 at 12:30am
Photino has OODLES of dwell time if you pair it with the right rubbers. But since the zlf is slower, it might. The Photino is an awesome blade I just wish it was a tad bit thinner and lighter.

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Posted By: schumi27
Date Posted: 01/29/2009 at 5:29am
Originally posted by lildudejds lildudejds wrote:

Photino has OODLES of dwell time if you pair it with the right rubbers. But since the zlf is slower, it might. The Photino is an awesome blade I just wish it was a tad bit thinner and lighter.


Do you prefer Mizutani over photino? Are they very different?


Posted By: magnon09
Date Posted: 01/29/2009 at 5:51am
nice blades..and rubbers as well..

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Posted By: super_tt
Date Posted: 01/29/2009 at 9:18am
Originally posted by shigzeo shigzeo wrote:

i do not really like butterfly but those are beautiful blades..
 
I also like the racket case......it's my limitation editionTongue
 


Posted By: lildudejds
Date Posted: 01/29/2009 at 10:14am
Originally posted by schumi27 schumi27 wrote:



Originally posted by lildudejds lildudejds wrote:

Photino has OODLES of dwell time if you pair it with the right rubbers. But since the zlf is slower, it might. The Photino is an awesome blade I just wish it was a tad bit thinner and lighter.
Do you prefer Mizutani over photino? Are they very different?


They are quite different. Mizutani has a lower throw angle, feels alot harder and crisper. Photino is softer, has more dwell time. Personally I don't find much of a different in speed. Actually, because of it's weight I think you can get more power out of a Photino.




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Posted By: IAmI
Date Posted: 02/02/2009 at 5:40am
Originally posted by super_tt super_tt wrote:

Originally posted by IAmI IAmI wrote:

So how would you rate ALL 3 blades in terms of speed? Is the ALC in between the 2 maybe closer to the ZLC? As stiff as the ZLC or perhaps even stiffer?
 
Thanks super, nice reiew!
oh........I only practiced with ALC for 20 mins............as I previously concentrated on ZLC anf ZLF.....
 
I will seriously try ALC and get back to you all very soonWink
 
Any new info super?? Smile


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Posted By: speedy
Date Posted: 02/03/2009 at 10:49pm
Originally posted by super_tt super_tt wrote:

Originally posted by shigzeo shigzeo wrote:

i do not really like butterfly but those are beautiful blades..
 
I also like the racket case......it's my limitation editionTongue
 


Yes, I like the case.  It looks different.


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Posted By: super_tt
Date Posted: 02/05/2009 at 9:19am
Originally posted by IAmI IAmI wrote:

Originally posted by super_tt super_tt wrote:

Originally posted by IAmI IAmI wrote:

So how would you rate ALL 3 blades in terms of speed? Is the ALC in between the 2 maybe closer to the ZLC? As stiff as the ZLC or perhaps even stiffer?
 
Thanks super, nice reiew!
oh........I only practiced with ALC for 20 mins............as I previously concentrated on ZLC anf ZLF.....
 
I will seriously try ALC and get back to you all very soonWink
 
Any new info super?? Smile
Hi,
 
As I am busy on my work recently and will take serious test for alc asapTongueWink


Posted By: super_tt
Date Posted: 02/05/2009 at 9:22am
Originally posted by speedy speedy wrote:

Originally posted by super_tt super_tt wrote:

Originally posted by shigzeo shigzeo wrote:

i do not really like butterfly but those are beautiful blades..
 
I also like the racket case......it's my limitation editionTongue
 


Yes, I like the case.  It looks different.
 
hi,
 
As I like the case TongueLOLtherefore I bought this set of limited edition. But the price is a little expensive than i expectedCry


Posted By: pokerpete
Date Posted: 02/05/2009 at 11:43pm
Originally posted by super_tt super_tt wrote:

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I also like the racket case......it's my limitation editionTongue
 
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can u take a picture of the inside of the case?


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Posted By: super_tt
Date Posted: 02/07/2009 at 6:23am

hi Poker

Here you goWink


Posted By: pokerpete
Date Posted: 02/07/2009 at 11:07am
ahhh.. it looks like it was a hard case from the outside....but its the plastic thing on the inside that makes it look hard then right?

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Posted By: mizutani_jun
Date Posted: 02/08/2009 at 1:23pm
Originally posted by super_tt super_tt wrote:

Originally posted by speedy speedy wrote:

Originally posted by super_tt super_tt wrote:

Originally posted by shigzeo shigzeo wrote:

i do not really like butterfly but those are beautiful blades..
 
I also like the racket case......it's my limitation editionTongue
 


Yes, I like the case.  It looks different.
 
hi,
 
As I like the case TongueLOLtherefore I bought this set of limited edition. But the price is a little expensive than i expectedCry
 
how much the prices?
in USD?


Posted By: super_tt
Date Posted: 02/08/2009 at 1:30pm
Originally posted by pokerpete pokerpete wrote:

ahhh.. it looks like it was a hard case from the outside....but its the plastic thing on the inside that makes it look hard then right?
Exactly, the case is soft. Then the plastic bracket becomes a supporter


Posted By: super_tt
Date Posted: 02/08/2009 at 1:31pm
Originally posted by mizutani_jun mizutani_jun wrote:

Originally posted by super_tt super_tt wrote:

Originally posted by speedy speedy wrote:

Originally posted by super_tt super_tt wrote:

Originally posted by shigzeo shigzeo wrote:

i do not really like butterfly but those are beautiful blades..
 
I also like the racket case......it's my limitation editionTongue
 


Yes, I like the case.  It looks different.
 
hi,
 
As I like the case TongueLOLtherefore I bought this set of limited edition. But the price is a little expensive than i expectedCry
 
how much the prices?
in USD?
It costs US$240LOL


Posted By: cagaragesales
Date Posted: 02/08/2009 at 1:35pm
Yeah that's about the right price. $200 for the cpen non-limited ed. and about $240 for the cpen limited edition.

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Posted By: speaquinox
Date Posted: 02/12/2009 at 6:45pm
How about the flex and feel (hard/soft)?


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Posted By: Takadigi
Date Posted: 02/12/2009 at 10:26pm
Originally posted by speaquinox speaquinox wrote:

How about the flex and feel (hard/soft)?


Based on my experience, feel is almost the same between ZLF and ZLC with ZLF having a shade better feel (read slightly higher flex). I am seriously considering switching over to ZLF. Schlager Carbon has never been the same since giving up Bryce FX (with speed glue) and moving on to Tenergy. The main difference I found between ZLF and ZLC is that with ZLF, I don't have to close the paddle angle as much as with ZLC particularly when counter looping.

I was considering Boll ALC, ZLF and ZLC. After some extended testing, I narrowed it down to ALC and ZLF. I am very likely to decide to go with ZLF.


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Posted By: speaquinox
Date Posted: 02/13/2009 at 3:12am
Can you explain why you ruled out the ZLC? I'm between ZLC and ZLF. My experience with Photino (ZLF) and Mizutani (ZLC) was quite positive however  I can't say I like the arylate-carbon feel that much.

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Posted By: speaquinox
Date Posted: 02/13/2009 at 10:09am
BTW, is ALC faster or slower than ZLF? Actually it doesn't mayyer much if the speed differences between those are tiny.



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Posted By: Takadigi
Date Posted: 02/13/2009 at 10:13am
Originally posted by speaquinox speaquinox wrote:

Can you explain why you ruled out the ZLC? I'm between ZLC and ZLF.


The reason for ruling out ZLC was not because it was a bad blade. It is pretty darn good, I would say. But ZLC with Tenergy-05 required the paddle angle to be closed down for counter looping while ZLF behaved very similar to what I used to do with Bryce FX speed glued on Schlager Carbon. It was just a matter of familiarity thing.

I could've easily gone with ZLC and adjusted my game. But since ZLF was giving me what I was looking for, I didn't go that route.


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Posted By: speaquinox
Date Posted: 02/13/2009 at 12:54pm
Strange.. So what you're saying is that the ZLC is higher throw than ZLF?



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Posted By: Takadigi
Date Posted: 02/13/2009 at 7:49pm
Originally posted by speaquinox speaquinox wrote:

BTW, is ALC faster or slower than ZLF? Actually it doesn't mayyer much if the speed differences between those are tiny.



ALC and ZLF appear to me to exhibit same speed characteristics. ZLC is definitely faster than both of them but not super fast like Schlager Carbon.


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Posted By: Takadigi
Date Posted: 02/13/2009 at 7:54pm
Originally posted by speaquinox speaquinox wrote:

Strange.. So what you're saying is that the ZLC is higher throw than ZLF?


It sure is strange. The difference in throw angle was my first suspicion. But that does not appear to be the case when you do some controlled testing. It could be because of a combination of speed and dwell time. I don't know what the reason is but ZLC certainly needed me to close the angle bit more for counter looping compared to ALC and ZLF.


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Posted By: speaquinox
Date Posted: 02/14/2009 at 5:13pm
Anymore feedback on these? or even ALC?

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Posted By: vttp
Date Posted: 03/31/2009 at 2:19pm
i got a question about the rubbers, if anyone here can give me some ideas. Right now i have ZLF with joola tango on my forehand and yasaka mark v on my backhand, but i don't feel it's fast enough. Is there any rubbers that match well with my ZLF besides those Tenergiesss????

Thanks


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Posted By: vivan4tt
Date Posted: 03/31/2009 at 8:18pm
wttp > You should try Joola Energ, it's an improvement  of Joola Tango, more speed, more spin.

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Posted By: vttp
Date Posted: 03/31/2009 at 11:44pm
thank u , vivan4tt. i look at the reviews of joola energy and it sounds like most people like it.it's like u said , good spin and speed. i might try it on whenever i have money to get it. 

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Posted By: saif
Date Posted: 04/01/2009 at 4:47am
Off topic question, howz joola energy for backhand?

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Posted By: joolafire
Date Posted: 04/01/2009 at 7:35am
It depends on your preferences and style. Energy is medium firm, and has has a medium throw angle, so it has a good balance overall. So if you like those type of characteristics, then it will be good for your forehand or backhand.

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Posted By: Vivant
Date Posted: 04/02/2009 at 1:25pm
Originally posted by vttp vttp wrote:

i got a question about the rubbers, if anyone here can give me some ideas. Right now i have ZLF with joola tango on my forehand and yasaka mark v on my backhand, but i don't feel it's fast enough. Is there any rubbers that match well with my ZLF besides those Tenergiesss????

Thanks


Hi vttp,

May I suggest giving Roxon 450 a try? I use it on my ALC and it works absolutely wonders.

Or another good one would be Xiom Zeta. Both are very controllable and quite fast, faster than the MarkV for sure.


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Posted By: vttp
Date Posted: 04/04/2009 at 4:12am
thx Vivant. but, i 've never heard of Roxon. is it one of the tt brand? like joola, or butterfly? and where can u get Xiom Zeta. i guess it would be more than 30 bucks, isn't it?  Anyway, i would tell a friend of mine about this combination too. because he is now using ZLC and he doesn't like his striver on both , forehand and backhand. he said it's too fast for him to control the ball . Again, thx u for ur suggestion.



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Posted By: Takadigi
Date Posted: 04/04/2009 at 4:24am
Originally posted by vttp vttp wrote:

thx Vivant. but, i 've never heard of Roxon. is it one of the tt brand?


It is made by Andro.

Originally posted by vttp vttp wrote:

where can u get Xiom Zeta. i guess it would be more than 30 bucks, isn't it?


Yes, it costs around $30 - $32. Available at many online stores. Simply do a Google search on "XIOM ZETA" My understanding (though I am not 100% sure), it comes in two different sponge types. Don't know if one is common and the other rare with a higher price tag.



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Date Posted: 04/04/2009 at 5:38am
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Posted By: Vivant
Date Posted: 04/04/2009 at 2:01pm
Originally posted by Takadigi Takadigi wrote:



Yes, it costs around $30 - $32. Available at many online stores. Simply do a Google search on "XIOM ZETA" My understanding (though I am not 100% sure), it comes in two different sponge types. Don't know if one is common and the other rare with a higher price tag.



Yes, the Zeta does come in two versions. The Asian version is harder and more powerful than the European version, which is softer for more control. The Asian version is designed for those who like the characteristics of a chinese rubber, but it is of great quality and consistency, unlike some chinese ones that may lack this.

Vttp, note that Andor Roxon comes in 450 and 500 Pro. The 450 is softer and more forgiving, whilst the 500 Pro is the faster rubber, by experience it is quite hard to fully utilise its potential unless you're a top notch and confident player. Looping is much an effort, but the 450 has the glued 'click' sound great control.


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Posted By: bozbrisvegas
Date Posted: 05/24/2009 at 3:28am
I have become very interested in the zlf now that I see people posting weights around 80g.
 
Dam I hate it when stores show you there weights and you make a decision to get something else but you would have considered it if you knew.
 
where did you get your zlf at 80g? Anyone else got one at that weight or lower?
 
Now this is the most important question.  Obviously it is slower than most the top carbon offensive blades and as said here zlf is for looping.  I am currently wanting to speed up my backhand again and considering bryce speed.  Do you think bryce speed would work on this blade?  would it make up for some of the loss of power?  And since Bryce speed is hard to spin up with do you think this higher dwell blade would help.   How effective would punching or driving be with the zlf with a faster rubber such as bryce speed. 
 
I really want to get one now.


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Posted By: nickkjy
Date Posted: 05/24/2009 at 10:09am
zlf is good with fast or soft rubber


Posted By: jackass22
Date Posted: 05/24/2009 at 10:28am
can you compare zlf and zlc with nittaku acoustic in softness and in fast?
thanks


Posted By: ThaiLe
Date Posted: 05/24/2009 at 8:20pm
Originally posted by jackass22 jackass22 wrote:

can you compare zlf and zlc with nittaku acoustic in softness and in fast?
thanks


IMO, I think the Acoustic is slightly softer but faster.  However, ZLF has more power in the mid distance and third zone attack.

I never played ZLC so I don't know.





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Posted By: wictoriouz
Date Posted: 10/12/2009 at 3:27pm
HI,

i wrote a topic about the alc and the alc...
And now it's against zlf and zlc, which one is best to server with?
i win alot of points thanks to my serves.
How much does the ZLF vibrate? If it doesnt vibarate that much i will buy it! Smile


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Posted By: alextran
Date Posted: 12/01/2009 at 11:23am
I will buy all of the blades in Timo Boll series to try:D. Thanks super_tt for a great review

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Posted By: bozbrisvegas
Date Posted: 12/01/2009 at 4:19pm

Even though I said I would give the ZLF a 5 week season - I have given up on it after 3 weeks.

Reason:
 
1.  Too hard (difficult) to hit through a higer ball (this should be simple)
2. Bit too slow at the table
3. Very slow away from the table
 
if anyone wants mine in Australia let me know - its in perfect condition.


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Posted By: sunnyboyshines
Date Posted: 01/24/2010 at 11:42pm
I have started using the Timo Boll ZLF now.. with Tenergy 64 on forehand (for good mid-distance looping) and Sriver EL on backhand.. for the best possible control.. I must say this is a deadly combination..
 
The topspin has become effortless in this blade.. you can feel the way the blade absorbs the ball with increased dwell time.. the  tenergy produces the necessary catapult action..
 
Even though the topspin is effortless, for aa person like me who puts lot of topspin on the balls, this blade has become deadly.. opponents are not able to block the ball after the amount of turn that is generated after tha ball bounces on the table...


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Posted By: 7plywood
Date Posted: 01/26/2010 at 9:35am
Originally posted by sunnyboyshines sunnyboyshines wrote:

.. opponents are not able to block the ball after the amount of turn that is generated after tha ball bounces on the table...
This tells us something about the class of opponents, not really about the blade.


Posted By: High_Arc
Date Posted: 01/26/2010 at 7:25pm
Originally posted by bozbrisvegas bozbrisvegas wrote:

Even though I said I would give the ZLF a 5 week season - I have given up on it after 3 weeks.

Reason:
 
1.  Too hard (difficult) to hit through a higer ball (this should be simple)
2. Bit too slow at the table
3. Very slow away from the table
 
if anyone wants mine in Australia let me know - its in perfect condition.


Hey bozbrisvegas!
I like your videos and your style of play!
However, the ZLF is not a slow blade at all! It may be slow in comparison to the blade you are used to, but it is still fast and for sure to fast for most people around here (like the TBS and the ALC, and all the hinoki outer carbon blades)!
Most of the top rated (top 20) players both in Denmark and in Switzerland still use all wood blades! And they do not lack power (the shots of the players)!


Posted By: sunnyboyshines
Date Posted: 01/27/2010 at 1:19am
@ 7plywood..
 
Not necessarily.. When I mentioned this, it obviously means the same opponents I used to play with earlier are now having more problems dealing with the amount of turn with the new equipment..
 
Even international players have problems dealing with excess turns off the table.. I have seen players missing balls or hitting them out..
 
So irrespective of the class of opponents, it speaks about the blade and rubber itself !


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Butterfly Gergely with Mark V
Just Explode!


Posted By: sunnyboyshines
Date Posted: 01/27/2010 at 1:44am
Another update. The Timo Boll ZLF is more effortless when it comes to topspin against backspin.. My probability has increased from 75% to 90% Smile
 
The other best part is when you can generate lots of spin when you return topspin with topspin..
 
Also, after playing trying out this blade, one of my coaches, a former international player from India, has decided to shift from Amultart to ZLF. So that should say something about the blade..


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Butterfly Gergely with Mark V
Just Explode!


Posted By: Antony
Date Posted: 03/19/2010 at 6:39pm
Another not so related question, can anyone comment how does ZLF compare to Kung Linghui carbon (the old version)?

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Hong Kong, Singapore, Sweden, Australia
Kong Linghui Carbon(FH:Globe999 BH:T05FX)
Power Drive AN(FH:T05 BH:T64)
TBS(FH:T05BH:T64)
OC(FH:H3 BH:Hammond Pro-Alpha)
Carbo7.6(FH:H3,BH:T64)


Posted By: LOOPMEISTER
Date Posted: 03/19/2010 at 8:32pm
KLHS is stiffer than ZLF. KLHS is faster. ZLF has more dwell, more spin, and better control with looping. ZLF is soft and flexible. KLHS has a medium feel. ZLF has koto (Ayous?) outer plies, KLHS has toasted Hinoki outers. KLHS is about 1mm thicker. Besides all of that, Arylate/Carbon feels different than Zylon.


Posted By: zain islam
Date Posted: 03/20/2010 at 4:11am
could any one give a peed comparison between the alc the zlc and mj

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blade: butterfly schalger carbon
forehand rubber: sriver L max
backhand rubber: sriver EL max


Posted By: right2niru
Date Posted: 03/08/2014 at 2:58am
Originally posted by sunnyboyshines sunnyboyshines wrote:

Another update. The Timo Boll ZLF is more effortless when it comes to topspin against backspin.. My probability has increased from 75% to 90% Smile
 
The other best part is when you can generate lots of spin when you return topspin with topspin..
 
Also, after playing trying out this blade, one of my coaches, a former international player from India, has decided to shift from Amultart to ZLF. So that should say something about the blade..

Does this blade shine in the driving/ counters department as well or is it just pure loopers dream blade ? 


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Nittaku Tenor | BF JP01 | Flyatt hard
Nittaku Tenor | BF JP01| T64


Posted By: right2niru
Date Posted: 04/16/2014 at 2:31am
Originally posted by right2niru right2niru wrote:

Originally posted by sunnyboyshines sunnyboyshines wrote:

Another update. The Timo Boll ZLF is more effortless when it comes to topspin against backspin.. My probability has increased from 75% to 90% Smile
 
The other best part is when you can generate lots of spin when you return topspin with topspin..
 
Also, after playing trying out this blade, one of my coaches, a former international player from India, has decided to shift from Amultart to ZLF. So that should say something about the blade..

Does this blade shine in the driving/ counters department as well or is it just pure loopers dream blade ? 

No reply to the above question from any ZLF user ? 


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Nittaku Tenor | BF JP01 | Flyatt hard
Nittaku Tenor | BF JP01| T64


Posted By: ashishsharmaait
Date Posted: 04/17/2014 at 1:43pm
Originally posted by right2niru right2niru wrote:

Originally posted by right2niru right2niru wrote:

Originally posted by sunnyboyshines sunnyboyshines wrote:

Another update. The Timo Boll ZLF is more effortless when it comes to topspin against backspin.. My probability has increased from 75% to 90% Smile
 
The other best part is when you can generate lots of spin when you return topspin with topspin..
 
Also, after playing trying out this blade, one of my coaches, a former international player from India, has decided to shift from Amultart to ZLF. So that should say something about the blade..

Does this blade shine in the driving/ counters department as well or is it just pure loopers dream blade ? 

No reply to the above question from any ZLF user ? 


This is good for drives off the bounce close to the table and counter-topspin at the table and near mid-distance. It is an OFF- blade with good dwell, drive at the top of the bounce or after it lack some punch.

I have used both ZLF and ZLC. ZLC is better for driving.



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