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Topic: Tables for home-use reviews
Posted By: haggisv
Subject: Tables for home-use reviews
Date Posted: 03/10/2009 at 11:42pm
Most of the clubs use ITTF approved tables, and since these all need to meet a fairly strict standard, the choice often comes down to personal preference or availability, not so much down to reviews & information about the tables.

However many people are faced with the decision of what tables to buy for home use... so I think it would be really useful to get some comments or reviews on the more basic and budget table tennis table. So
if you have a table at home, or have tried or played on some of these non-competition approved tables, please post your comments here.

To make things easier, I've put a review of a cheap home table to I own below. You can simply copy my review and use it as a template, and fill in your own details:

Name and Brand, origin
Stiga Superior, probable made in China.

Table surface (thickness, quality, other)
This table has a matt blue surface, with painted-on lines. Thickness is only 12mm

Frame (material, 2-piece or fold-up, sturdiness, roll-away or fixed, etc)
I believe this table is steel framed, and although it feel a little flimsy, it's adequate. Each half can be put up, and rolled away as a seperate piece. Wheels are pretty basic and don't look to strong, but have lasted so far. One half can be put up, to be used in play-back mode, which some people find useful.

Performance (playing performance compared to a competition table)
Probably due to the thin surface, the bounch on this table is much slower than a comp table, and not perfectly consistant. Serves practiced on this table may not stay in when played on a comp table. Still performance is adequate.

Durability (table surface, warping of main surface, etc)
The surface of this table has kept really well, over a period about 4 years in our fully enclosed garage. There are some signs of warping, but this is to be expected for a table of this thickness..

Value for money, recommend or not?
The cost of this table was around AUD$250, which I felt was decent value for the quality of table, which we chose for only occasional use with a ball machine. I would no doubt spend a little more on my next table, to get a thicker surface with a faster and more consistant bounce.


Any similar reviews of your table, or one you've tried would be great! Cheers!



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Posted By: mdjenders
Date Posted: 03/11/2009 at 3:09pm
Name and Brand, origin
Stiga InstaPlay, made in USA

Table surface (thickness, quality, other)
This table has a matte black surface, with painted-on lines. Thickness is 3/4".

Frame (material, 2-piece or fold-up, sturdiness, roll-away or fixed, etc)
Framing is pretty bad on this table, the framing is kinda flimsy and drilled right into the top surface.  The legs are already getting bent from moving the table between my garage and the club in a pickup.  It is not meant for moving around.  No height adjustment for my garage floor is annoying.  Each half can be put up, and rolled away as a seperate piece. Wheels are pretty basic and don't look to strong, but have lasted so far.  They have a locking adjustment, which is nice because otherwise the whole table moves when someone touches the end on a flip, for instance :P.

Performance (playing performance compared to a competition table)
Bounce on this table is slower, and ball has a tendency to skim the surface a bit.  Compared to other tables of this price and market, the 3/4" top is quite nice.

Durability (table surface, warping of main surface, etc)
Pretty durable.  The table has spent time in garages for a couple cold winters, so there are some signs of minor warping.  I think in a basement this one would be fine for a long time.

Value for money, recommend or not?
The cost of this table was around US $250 on sale at a local sporting goods place, picked up so no shipping costs.  I think it is a great value, but replacing the net with a proper net/post set was important.


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Posted By: stan1551
Date Posted: 03/11/2009 at 4:16pm
Name and Brand, origin

Donic Persson 25, Made in Germany

Table surface (thickness, quality, other)

My table has a blue surface. Thickness is 25mm, just over 1".

Frame (material, 2-piece or fold-up, sturdiness, roll-away or fixed, etc)

Frame is very solid steel.
Each half can be put up, and rolled away as a seperate piece. Wheels are big and strong and have locking feature. I like the fact that you can easily separate this table in 2. Also, legs have height adjustment.

Performance (playing performance compared to a competition table)

Bounce is very good on this table and not getting any worse after 2.5 years of use.

Durability (table surface, warping of main surface, etc)

The table has spent time in very cold room for a couple cold winters and there is no signs of warping whatsoever. I think this table will be fine for a long, long time.

Value for money, recommend or not?

The cost of this table was around US$950 including shipping. I've got it from TTPioneers on sale. I do not think this table is a great value for the money. You should be able to get 3/4" tables for much cheaper and they will still be sufficient for the home use, no need to go all out the way I did.
Another thing - it took me and my friend about 4 hours to put the table together. Also, the table comes with the really good quality net.



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Posted By: haggisv
Date Posted: 03/11/2009 at 4:41pm
That's great, thanks guys!


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Posted By: varghesep
Date Posted: 03/11/2009 at 6:55pm
I use Butterfly Personal Rollaway at home. I have bought it new and is like 2.6 years old. I see consistant performance from this table.
 
Name and Brand, origin
Butterfly Rollaway
 
Table surface (thickness, quality, other)
May be matt surface with 2 inches may be in thickness.
 
Frame (material, 2-piece or fold-up, sturdiness, roll-away or fixed, etc)
It is rollaway. But I dont roll it. It is hard to roll it on the carpet. I dont say this is a very sturdy table.
 
Performance (playing performance compared to a competition table)
I use my robot on this table. It has very consistant performance.
 
Durability (table surface, warping of main surface, etc)
Since I have not moved this table a lot, it is like new.
 
Value for money, recommend or not?
Yes.
 


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Posted By: JimT
Date Posted: 03/12/2009 at 2:59pm
Guys, I am thinking about buying a table for my future house (if we ever buy it, the market seems pretty bad right now - we need to sell our townhouse first).

At first I thought we would get something really cheap like Sportcraft or Kettler, but now I am not so sure. Still I don't want to spend more than 600-700 dollars. Perhaps a slightly used one from a known seller... I dunno.

Advice?


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Posted By: stan1551
Date Posted: 03/12/2009 at 3:06pm
Don't buy really cheap, crappy table - you wont get a consistent bounce and it will warp pretty fast too. But dont buy 1" luxury one like mine either - it is not a smart move. I think 3/4" tables have the best price/performance ratio right now. Another thing - if the ability to split table in two parts is important to you - in most cases you would have to pay extra for that convinience.

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Posted By: varghesep
Date Posted: 03/12/2009 at 4:01pm
Originally posted by JimT JimT wrote:

Guys, I am thinking about buying a table for my future house (if we ever buy it, the market seems pretty bad right now - we need to sell our townhouse first).

At first I thought we would get something really cheap like Sportcraft or Kettler, but now I am not so sure. Still I don't want to spend more than 600-700 dollars. Perhaps a slightly used one from a known seller... I dunno.

Advice?
 
If you are not planning to move the table around, get some soild good one.
 
Has the price of your town home gone low? I'm afraid too as we are planning to move to Dallas.
 
 
 


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Posted By: haggisv
Date Posted: 03/12/2009 at 4:59pm
Thanks for the review Varghesep!

JimT: This is exactly why I thought these types of reviews would be useful.
I think the surface thickness is the biggest consideration... get at least 16mm, so that the bounce is more consistant, and the chance of warping is very low...

Any more reviews anyone?


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Posted By: 7plywood
Date Posted: 03/13/2009 at 10:29am
 
Name and Brand, origin
Stiga STS 410
 
Table surface (thickness, quality, other)
Blue, 1" - I think it is laminated wood. The paint scratches too easily. Other than that surface is nice and smooth.
 
Frame (material, 2-piece or fold-up, sturdiness, roll-away or fixed, etc)
It is rollaway, but I have enough space in my basement just to leave it in place, so I can't say how easy it is to fold it or roll it.
 
Performance (playing performance compared to a competition table)
Feels slightly slower than average tournament grade table. Otherwise OK. I play with my son (6 year old) on this table, and use it as a robot platform.
 
Durability (table surface, warping of main surface, etc)
The plastic covers of the corners are already gone. They break easily. Surface is durable and except of few paint scratches that resulted from a blade or handle contact with a table it looks good.
 
Value for money, recommend or not?
Since it is not super expensive (about $500) it is an OK buy. It is a compromise type table that lies in between of a tournament grade quality table and a simple 3/4 inch table.


Posted By: Aquaman
Date Posted: 03/13/2009 at 11:54am
 
Name and Brand, origin
Sportcraft Marquis
 
Table surface (thickness, quality, other)
1" laminated surface.
 
Frame (material, 2-piece or fold-up, sturdiness, roll-away or fixed, etc) 
 
2" steel frame, 3"steel apron, 3" post legs, 4" casters.  Fold-up, very sturdy roll-away.   
 
Performance (playing performance compared to a competition table)

Great performance.  Used at a lot of clubs and schools.  (We bought one for my daughter's school on recommendation from her coach at the club.)  It can be considered a competition table.
 
Durability (table surface, warping of main surface, etc)
Durable.  Packing method may cause bends in some frame parts during shipping (the crossbars that connect the legs), but the company will promptly send replacement pieces when asked.   Very easy, no-tool assembly (can be assembled by kids--and was, at my daughter's school).
 
Value for money, recommend or not?
Super value at only US $400 or less (cheapest at Walmart).  Highly recommended.  Very unusual value for a Sportcraft product (much better than normal Sportcraft products).
 


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Posted By: varghesep
Date Posted: 03/13/2009 at 12:08pm
Originally posted by haggisv haggisv wrote:

Thanks for the review Varghesep!

JimT: This is exactly why I thought these types of reviews would be useful.
I think the surface thickness is the biggest consideration... get at least 16mm, so that the bounce is more consistant, and the chance of warping is very low...

Any more reviews anyone?
 
I have to add this. I hate assembling the table. It took a day for me to assemble this one.
 


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Posted By: seoulkorean
Date Posted: 03/13/2009 at 11:57pm
Name and Brand, origin

Joola Quattro, $400 (including shipping)

Table surface (thickness, quality, other)

My table has a blue surface. Thickness is 18mm. 

Frame (material, 2-piece or fold-up, sturdiness, roll-away or fixed, etc)

Frame is very solid steel.
Each half can be put up, and rolled away as a seperate piece. Wheels are very sturdy.

Performance (playing performance compared to a competition table)

Bounce is very good on this table for the price.

Durability (table surface, warping of main surface, etc)

I have this table in the garage and it has not suffered from the cold or heat.  No warping is present and still plays the same as the day I bought it.

Value for money, recommend or not?
The cost of the table was $400 including shipping.  I bought it directly from a JOOLA Sales Rep.  He brought it to my house personally, also he even carried it all the way into my garage.

Took about 45 minutes to get setup and it included a nice net. 

I would recommend it for those who are semi-serious about table tennis.  It will at least provide you a means to train.  I love the ease of folding it up, setting it up, and also the sturdiness of the table. 


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Posted By: haggisv
Date Posted: 03/22/2009 at 7:19pm
Thanks seoulkorean!


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Posted By: in2spin
Date Posted: 04/02/2009 at 3:54pm
My opinion is:  no matter what kind of table you get....get a good net with a drawstring top.  I personally do not like the Stiga nets which are not the drawstring top type.  I have played on tables with Butterfly, Donic, Joola, Tibhar and Stiga nets.  A great table with a cheap net set is still a crappy table.  A lousy table with a nice net set is still playable.  Nothing is more irritating than playing on a table where you can aim for 1 inch below the top of the net and have it dribble over the net.  Good luck.


Posted By: haggisv
Date Posted: 04/02/2009 at 7:20pm
Yes I agree, and that's is a good point!

Still i think it's worthwhile to see some more reviews of people's table at home, and there is a large variation in table quality and performance too...


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Posted By: JimT
Date Posted: 04/03/2009 at 12:19am
Originally posted by seoulkorean seoulkorean wrote:



Joola Quattro, $400 (including shipping)



You are kidding, right? Sign me up! Do they have JOOLA reps in Massachusetts?


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Posted By: Capa
Date Posted: 04/03/2009 at 9:19pm
Name and Brand, origin

Xu Shaofa 25mm Championship Table - ITTF Approved, AUD$750 (including shipping)

Table surface (thickness, quality, other)

Blue surface. Thickness is 25mm. 

Frame (material, 2-piece or fold-up, sturdiness, roll-away or fixed, etc)

Frame is very solid steel. Each half can be put up, and rolled away as a seperate piece. Wheels are very sturdy.

Performance (playing performance compared to a competition table)

Same performance as competition table.

Durability (table surface, warping of main surface, etc)

Had for almost a year - no change.

Value for money, recommend or not?
One of the best value 25mm tables in Australia. Very heavy and sturdy - I leave it in the family room, never folded up or rolled away except when I tested this function at assembly. Clip on net included (like the Stiga ones), but seller let me have Double Fish net (much better quality). 


Posted By: haggisv
Date Posted: 04/07/2009 at 8:11pm
Thanks a lot Capa, that does seem good value!

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Posted By: pongcrazy
Date Posted: 04/08/2009 at 12:15pm
Originally posted by JimT JimT wrote:

Originally posted by seoulkorean seoulkorean wrote:



Joola Quattro, $400 (including shipping)



You are kidding, right? Sign me up! Do they have JOOLA reps in Massachusetts?

Regular price for Quattro at Joola site is $499 + $250 for shipping in US 48 so I would say you got a great deal there.



Posted By: seoulkorean
Date Posted: 05/30/2009 at 10:45am
I must admit, I was very fortunate to run across the JOOLA Quattro table.  I was searching for a table in December of last year and I was looking for the best table for my money under $500.  I went through a bunch of sites like MegaSpin, etc., but I couldn't find any.  Luckily on Craigslist in VA, I saw a posting that had JOOLA tables on sale.  So I called the person up because the prices were just too good to be true.  At first, I thought it was a scam, but I looked up the guy's name on the JOOLA site and sure enough it was their head sales representative.  So, he offered free shipping for the JOOLA Quattro and he delivered it PERSONALLY himself in a Dodge Sprinter van.  He helped carry it into the garage with a co-worker. 
Overall, I was very pleased with JOOLA's service for the table and impressed by the overall quality. 


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Posted By: haggisv
Date Posted: 05/30/2009 at 9:19pm
You did very well, a credit to the JOOLA Rep!

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Posted By: jhoerene
Date Posted: 06/11/2009 at 10:13am
I'm choosing between this 3 tables

JOOLA 2000-s

BTY Centerfold 25 europa

or the Hiqua table which cost only $760, which has great reviews also, and some are claming that it has a consistent bounce comapared to BTY, is that true?






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Posted By: Sallom89
Date Posted: 06/11/2009 at 10:16am
Is Donic INDOOR ROLLER 600 any good?

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Posted By: sjk_tt
Date Posted: 06/25/2009 at 11:55am
Your inputs/suggestions please....
 
I was planning to buy a TT table for my home use.
 
I found a Joola Worldcup S table 2yrs used in a club for $450. Since its used in a club, I 'm assuming this would have been extensively used. But the table is in good condition.
 
Is it worth buying a 2yr old table ? Is this worth for the money ?. (the new ones are from $699 to $799 + ship, some ship free).
Does anyone know Joola rep/sales person in bayarea ?
 
Thanks in advance for your inputs/suggestions... 
 


Posted By: Imago
Date Posted: 07/20/2009 at 3:50am
Name and Brand, origin
Sponeta, Made in Germany

Table specifications
• 19 mm chipboard
• dark-green coated
• safety bar with holder for balls and bats
• automatic - undercarriage with tubular - profile 25 mm, plastic-coated
• movable with 4 double wheels ø 125 mm (two of them manoeuvrable)
• net set: Club-EN-stationary

Performance
Bounce is excellent, sounds like competition table, very speedy

Durability and Fool-Proof Properties

No traces or scratches when beaten in anger, allows of soft or wet wipes for babies for cleaning. Net is too lax (elastic) and there is no way to adjust it horizontally. Leaves green spots on harder balls (say, Donic Couch, Tibhar Basic or DHS 3***) when strongly hit perpendicularly.

Value for money, recommend or not?
For about 170 euro (including door delivery) you get a frist-class product for coaching, self-training, and block tournaments.
 


Posted By: haggisv
Date Posted: 07/20/2009 at 6:15am
Thanks Imago, very nice review!

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Posted By: Peter C
Date Posted: 07/20/2009 at 8:59am
The Joola 2000-s is a good table with a 22mm top.

There are some Sponeta 19mm top tables at coaching and the legs are a bit flimsy, compared to the better quality legs on a 22mm or 25mm table. The bounce is not as consistent either. The biggest disappointment is one of them is so badly warped, that the left hand corner is  around 1 1/2 inches lower, than at middle of the table, where the centre line touches the backline of the table. It is the worst table I've ever played on.

My suggestion is buy a table with a 22mm or 25mm top, if you can afford it, as they have a more consistent bounce, than any 19mm top I've played on.

The extra thickness also helps reduce the problem of warping too. I can't recall seeing a warped top on a 22m or 25mm table, but I have seen two 19mm tables with warped tops, that adversely affect the way they play.


Posted By: Imago
Date Posted: 07/20/2009 at 1:06pm
Yes, it is a good idea to additionally fasten the legs as with Sponeta Sportline.
But there are also bad replicas of Sponeta one should be aware of. Today, I saw one of them - branded Tecno.


Posted By: silverhair
Date Posted: 07/22/2009 at 11:32pm
I played on a Stiga Privat Roller last week.  Nice true bounce. 


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Posted By: Peter C
Date Posted: 07/24/2009 at 2:20am
Imago

I must admit, i was unaware of bad replica's of the Sponeta tables.

p.s. I don't have a problem playing on Sponeta or other 19mm tables, that have a flat surface, just the two that are warped at coaching. To be fair to the school where we coach, the badly warped table was donated and the damage was done before it was donated.


Posted By: haggisv
Date Posted: 07/24/2009 at 6:57am
There's been quite a lot of good reviews in this thread...hopefully it's useful for a few people... anyone else would like to do a little mini-review of their home table? The format in the first post makes it easy... cheers!

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Posted By: Tuddy
Date Posted: 09/04/2009 at 1:44am

Hey was wondering where you bought Xu Shaofa table from? Thanks.



Posted By: shamoo
Date Posted: 09/15/2009 at 2:00am




Cornilleau 740 Indoor Table – Review

This table is manufactured by the French company Cornilleau. It appears from all markings that I can discern to be made in France.

It is a 1 inch high-density chipboard, 2 ¾” galvanized steel frame. 264 lbs, fold up, 30” depth folded.

SELLER
I purchased this table from Total Table Tennis (www.totaltabletennis.com). I conversed with them over phone and email prior to purchasing. The staff were extremely helpful and courteous. The table arrived to my town the next day and I had it the day after. One part on the table needed replacement, and after 1 brief email I received the part in a matter of a couple of days. A++
This table used to be the Killerspin RAD table (it was made by Cornilleau and sold by Killerspin). Killerspin no longer offers it but Cornilleau still does.

PACKAGING
Packaged very well but be careful when signing for delivery to write “possible damage, needs further inspection.” The box is very heavy (300 lbs?), has a top side that opens up easily.



ASSEMBLY
Fairly typical for this kind of table. The IKEA-like manual is easy to follow. One set of screws was misnumbered but it was still easy to figure out. Total time about 3-4 hours. 2 people needed when mounting table halves to base. Tools needed are simple, ratchet wrench, wrench, screwdriver.

CONSTRUCTION/FUNCTION
Very solid as is typical of a table of this level. There are some plastic elements but they appear to be of high grade plastic. These include the wheels, the “lock” mechanism when folding/unfolding the table, and the net hardware.



The surface is impeccable. A friend dropped a heavy metal tool on surface accidentally and we worried that it would leave a dent… not even a scratch! The bounce is perfect and even.



The unique feature on this table is the permanent net. It never needs to be removed and is easily moved up or down by a knob. The tension is easy to control and set.



It is a fold up table, but thanks to some great engineering, it folds down to 30” depth, so you can still roll it through a doorway pretty easily.

The engineering work that has gone into this table is evident. The way the legs fold down and support the table, this is not a table that you can just knock one of the legs out from. As you fold the table down, the legs automatically extend and when folded up they automatically retract.

STYLE
This is something that this table excels at without peer IMHO. I think it’s unfortunate that other top companies completely ignore this and basically produce the same formless styleless tables they’ve produced since before whenever. Truly a 21st century table..

The color in the official pictures is not quite accurate. It is a blue table but it’s a duller lighter blue.

VALUE
Though I could have feasibly gotten a table that was cheaper and had near the same level of performance, the lack of top notch finishes and performance would be very aggravating and I would feel buyer’s remorse at having spent $500 or $800 on a table I’m not happy with.
This table, though more expensive, has enough fine touches that I feel the price is justified. Also, I don’t ever want to purchase another table, I want the bounce and playing surface to be top notch for many years to come. The way this table is built, I have confidence it will go the distance and I won’t need to second guess whether it’s getting old. I suspect it could also take quite a beating, but I’m not about to test it :p

CHANGES NEEDED
I’d like to see a metal post system for the net. Also the bracket which locks the table up or down would be nice to be in metal or sturdier element for peace of mind.

CONCLUSION
If I had to do it all over again, I would still buy this same table from the same seller. I’m extremely pleased with the quality and other things I mentioned in the review. It may not be for everyone, but it’s great to have a company putting out tables like this.


Posted By: haggisv
Date Posted: 09/15/2009 at 2:53am
Awesome review, thanks shamoo!

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Posted By: TBloch
Date Posted: 10/17/2009 at 5:26am
Hi
Where did you buy you Xu Shaofa table?
Thanks Tbloch


Posted By: JimT
Date Posted: 10/17/2009 at 9:04pm
I play Cornilleau 740 at my club all the time - it is a very very good table. Can easilybe used at professional tournaments. You are lucky you have that much money to spend and that much space to permanently put it into your house. I am hunting for something used and light right now - the main problem is of course, delivery charges...


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Posted By: Egghead
Date Posted: 01/04/2010 at 4:30pm
Hi guy,

Awesome review :)

I am thinking about buying a table and put it in the garage.  Just wonder what is the min. play area?

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Posted By: fahad007
Date Posted: 01/23/2010 at 9:05am
Thanks for the review guys really informative.      

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Posted By: wkm1
Date Posted: 02/12/2010 at 8:37pm
Some has  experience with this home table from Costco?
 
http://www.costco.ca/Browse/Product.aspx?Prodid=10322031&search=table - http://www.costco.ca/Browse/Product.aspx?Prodid=10322031&search=table


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Posted By: turby47
Date Posted: 03/12/2010 at 12:47am

Very helpful review.

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Posted By: Horn
Date Posted: 06/14/2010 at 3:46pm
Killer review Shamoo, thanks!
Some buddies and I have been discussing what to put in the 'man room' the wife okay'd to build in our detached garage and I think it's going to be that table.

My first vote was an Asteroids machine haha but we figured there was more fun in this for my brother's kids since they probably would have no interest in the Asteroids cabinet (not with the crazy video games out there these days).

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Posted By: JimT
Date Posted: 06/14/2010 at 4:13pm
Originally posted by wkm1 wkm1 wrote:

Some has  experience with this home table from Costco?
 
http://www.costco.ca/Browse/Product.aspx?Prodid=10322031&search=table - http://www.costco.ca/Browse/Product.aspx?Prodid=10322031&search=table


Rather strange picture showing 40 cm (16 in) as a total width in vertical storage position. There is no way that both halves together (as shown in the pic) can be only 40 cm wide (wheels and base frames ARE allegedly included there in that measurement - see the pic!)


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Posted By: Wayne_TN
Date Posted: 10/06/2010 at 12:31am
Name and Brand
Ping Pong  brand - "Elite" Model - box says "Made in Mexico"

Table Surface
Matt black surface - thickness is 1 inch

Frame
Seems very strong - i especially like the legs - It is a roll-away, but i leave it up in my garage all the time.  You will need some strong buddies to help you get it off the truck and into your house - the trucking company won't do it and this sucker weighs 340 lb !!  My wife and i couldn't even lift 1 of the halves when putting it together - you'll need a couple of strong friends for the final step in the assembly, too (when you put the 2 halves on the rolling portion)

Performance
I haven't played on a lot of different tables, but the bounce is consistent - i'm happy.

Durability
I only bought it in Sep 2010, so can't judge yet, but it seems very solid - i'm not worried

Value for Money
I bought this table because i wanted something thick enough that it wouldn't warp in my garage, but didn't want to spend a goat farm, either - paid $399 with free shipping from Sports Authority and am completely satisfied - as you can see from the pic of the box, it is apparently made at the same factory as the Stiga tables.  i didn't use the net that came with it, but replaced it with a Tibhar Smash - have been very happy with it.. Bought it to use with a Newgy 1050 robot - Love them both...













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Posted By: isarwar153
Date Posted: 12/19/2010 at 2:02am
HI,
I am new to this forum,and a beginner level player.
I am looking for a reasonable table for use at home.
I have found Joola Quattro at a good price.
I am wondering if any of the members have this type of table.
Thanks in advance,
Iftikhar.




Posted By: HarryH
Date Posted: 12/20/2010 at 1:48pm

Name and Brand, origin
Joola Infinity, sale by Sears and made in China.

Table surface (thickness, quality, other)
This table has a smooth blue surface, with painted-on lines. Thickness is 25mm, 1 inch Median Density Particleboard.  

Frame (material, 2-piece or fold-up, sturdiness, roll-away or fixed, etc)
This table is steel framed, and very good on support, it's adequate, heavy and solid. Roll-away to fold up. 4-inch Wheels are pretty smooth to move around.

Performance (playing performance compared to a competition table)
The bounce on this table is consistent. Does much better than Butterfly Primer Rollaway. And close to Butterfly Competition 25. Performance is great. Well, The Surface painting is kind of too easy to wiped off. The white and orange ping pong balls became the a little blue after hours play. The surface left some ping pong ball prints (small painting dots, not damages) when you look the surface closely although they do not affect the performance.

Durability (table surface, warping of main surface, etc)
Since I bought it days ago, I do not have any experience yet for durability. From the building structure, I don’t think there is any warping. The table is in my garage. Hope it last for many years.


Value for money, recommend or not?
Since it costs just over $500, it is great investment. Did not get any solid answer from Joola Customer service about for the surface painting and ball print. The shape looks like Cornilleau. Maybe not detailed like Cornilleau. All materials are metals and wood for surface.  I say this is 4 of 5 stars. Strong recommend it for any home/club users.



Posted By: RJTT
Date Posted: 01/17/2011 at 3:39pm
HarryH,
 

We use the Joola Infinity at our club and your review is spot on. IMO these are some of the best tables for the money you can buy. I thought the same thing about the Cornilleau similarities. It is obvious of the design.

Great review!!



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Posted By: gti5notrkt
Date Posted: 01/22/2011 at 9:51pm
My son and I are both beginners looking into getting a table for home use. I have about $600 to spend on a table. Looking at the reviews in the this thread I am struggling to find a better option than the SportCraft Marquis sold through Walmart for $400 shipped. Am I wrong?

Thanks,
Jon Andrews.

http://www.walmart.com/ip/Sportcraft-Tennis-Table/4183999 - http://www.walmart.com/ip/Sportcraft-Tennis-Table/4183999


Posted By: RJTT
Date Posted: 01/23/2011 at 12:24am
Originally posted by gti5notrkt gti5notrkt wrote:

My son and I are both beginners looking into getting a table for home use. I have about $600 to spend on a table. Looking at the reviews in the this thread I am struggling to find a better option than the SportCraft Marquis sold through Walmart for $400 shipped. Am I wrong?

Thanks,
Jon Andrews.

http://www.walmart.com/ip/Sportcraft-Tennis-Table/4183999 - http://www.walmart.com/ip/Sportcraft-Tennis-Table/4183999
 
 
I know the Joola Infinity table is great and is in your budget. The infinity is a great table and comes with a high quality net set. Joola also has GREAT customer service if you have any problems. Our club uses the Infinity.  
 
From what I read the SC table has a bad net set but other than that it gets good reviews. Would be a toss up between the two. Let us know what you decide and how you liked what you bought.


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Posted By: namdab
Date Posted: 01/29/2011 at 10:09am
Hi,
 
I'm a newbe and just bought a kettler stockholm indoor green table to learn the game with a newgy 2050 robot. 
 
I couldn't afforard a 7/8 or 1 inch table, and the fact I was just training with a robot the sales guy told me the kettler are made better than the stiga.  I hope he was not just trying to get rid of them. 
 
I was going to buy a cheep $200 table from sears until I read about all the differences in tables and figured i had to spend more money to get one thats closer to the TT clubs. 
 
so the kettler stockholm indoor is a 3/4" table that was short of $500.  What do you guys think of this table.  It doesn't seem to be very popular because I'm having a hard time finding reviews.
 
What do you guys think.  Did I make a big mistake?
 
thanks,


Posted By: RJTT
Date Posted: 01/30/2011 at 2:38am
Originally posted by namdab namdab wrote:

Hi,
 
I'm a newbe and just bought a kettler stockholm indoor green table to learn the game with a newgy 2050 robot. 
 
I couldn't afforard a 7/8 or 1 inch table, and the fact I was just training with a robot the sales guy told me the kettler are made better than the stiga.  I hope he was not just trying to get rid of them. 
 
I was going to buy a cheep $200 table from sears until I read about all the differences in tables and figured i had to spend more money to get one thats closer to the TT clubs. 
 
so the kettler stockholm indoor is a 3/4" table that was short of $500.  What do you guys think of this table.  It doesn't seem to be very popular because I'm having a hard time finding reviews.
 
What do you guys think.  Did I make a big mistake?
 
thanks,
Better than Stiga? I guess that depends on which Stiga table. Stiga offers very high end tables to pretty low end tables. This guy sounds like a "sales guy" that dont know much about TT to give such a broad statment.  I have never played on the table you have so it is hard to say. If it were me and was going to spend in the $500 range for a table I would have bought the Sportcraft Grand Master table. It is a 1" table with a beefy undercarriage.
 
Enjoy the table you have because you already have it. Learn on it for a few years and then upgrade later on. Before you buy again ask around on this forum and let us know what your budget is.


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Posted By: Skippy
Date Posted: 02/09/2011 at 9:59pm
Does anyone know about Champion tables, and how they play?  At tabletennisstore.us they have Champion tables and they look very sturdy in their construction, and their prices appear to be extremely reasonable.  As far as shipping costs for tables especially JimT.  Sometimes it just makes sense to find somewhere that sells tables relatively close and pick up the table on a planned weekend in which you go to a tournament where the table distributor is located!Smile

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Posted By: pushchop
Date Posted: 02/09/2011 at 10:05pm
I've always been curious about the Champion tables too.  The biggest difference on paper is their "average" tables are made of HDPB (high density particle board), while most other brands use MDF (medium density fibreboard).  Too bad I don't know anyone with one.

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Posted By: Skippy
Date Posted: 02/09/2011 at 10:32pm

Someone on this forum has to be from Korea.  I hear those Champion tables are all over the place there.  They sure look like an exceptional value.  Not to mention the vendor for Champion tables is near Dallas which is a quick trip for me.



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Posted By: RJTT
Date Posted: 02/12/2011 at 4:07pm
Originally posted by pushchop pushchop wrote:

I've always been curious about the Champion tables too.  The biggest difference on paper is their "average" tables are made of HDPB (high density particle board), while most other brands use MDF (medium density fibreboard).  Too bad I don't know anyone with one.
 
They do look nice. I think I am going to do a liitle research about these. Their other products like their catch net, towel boxes, etc look to be a good value also....


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Posted By: Paranoiac
Date Posted: 03/21/2011 at 6:39pm
Hi, my new table "Butterfly Octet 25"
 
Butterfly octet 25
 
Butterfly octet 25
 
Butterfly octet 25


Posted By: Egghead
Date Posted: 03/21/2011 at 10:15pm
Originally posted by pushchop pushchop wrote:

I've always been curious about the Champion tables too.  The biggest difference on paper is their "average" tables are made of HDPB (high density particle board), while most other brands use MDF (medium density fibreboard).  Too bad I don't know anyone with one.

Using MDF (medium density fibreboard) means that the table is an indoor tt table.


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Posted By: qbp
Date Posted: 03/23/2011 at 12:37am
Originally posted by 7plywood 7plywood wrote:

 
Name and Brand, origin
Stiga STS 410
 
Table surface (thickness, quality, other)
Blue, 1" - I think it is laminated wood. The paint scratches too easily. Other than that surface is nice and smooth.
 
Frame (material, 2-piece or fold-up, sturdiness, roll-away or fixed, etc)
It is rollaway, but I have enough space in my basement just to leave it in place, so I can't say how easy it is to fold it or roll it.
 
Performance (playing performance compared to a competition table)
Feels slightly slower than average tournament grade table. Otherwise OK. I play with my son (6 year old) on this table, and use it as a robot platform.
 
Durability (table surface, warping of main surface, etc)
The plastic covers of the corners are already gone. They break easily. Surface is durable and except of few paint scratches that resulted from a blade or handle contact with a table it looks good.
 
Value for money, recommend or not?
Since it is not super expensive (about $500) it is an OK buy. It is a compromise type table that lies in between of a tournament grade quality table and a simple 3/4 inch table.


I have this one too. One nice thing about it is that when you sit by the table, you get a lot of leg room, so it can be used as a dinning table when covered with an extra large table cloth. This is the major reason of my purchase and it serves the two roles really well in my dinning room. I have never moved it around.


Posted By: cole_ely
Date Posted: 03/23/2011 at 9:43am
If you're on a budget, the sportcraft marquis is a steal at $400 compared to what you'd get from stiga at that price.  1" top and very sturdy support structure.  I think you'd have to spend at least $800 to get something comparable in stiga or butterfly.
 
 


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Posted By: capablanca8
Date Posted: 03/24/2011 at 12:56am
Has anyone played on a Joola World Cup S table?  Any feedback about this model?  (Also, I no longer see the Joola Infinity on the Joola website.  Is this model still available?)
 
Thanks very much for any advice you might have. 


Posted By: patient.bird
Date Posted: 04/22/2011 at 4:39pm
Name and Brand, origin 
Sportcraft AMF Fury  (made in China) available at Costco.com for $499.99 shipped
 
Table surface (thickness, quality, other)
Black, 1" - The surface is textured laminate, with a nice and even bounce (the usual test of at least 23cm bounce back when the ball is dropped from 30cm height). The finish is matte and has very little reflection from light.
 
Frame (material, 2-piece or fold-up, sturdiness, roll-away or fixed, etc)
2-peice, with each folding up independently. Each half has a set of four sturdy 4" steel casters with very smooth rolling. Folded footprint is 24 inches if the two halves are stored separately. If stored face to face, then it is about 28 inches. The steel apron/frame and undercarriage are industrial strength. All parts/tools were methodically numbered and a very good instruction manual was supplied. Assembly was a breeze and flipping the 2 halves was not a big hassle as they are independent.
 
Performance (playing performance compared to a competition table) 
On par with a tournament grade table in terms of speed and bounce. My comparison is with the Joola SC3000 that our club has. Note that the black surface is not approved by ITTF, but it looks awesome and provides the maximum contrast against the ball, even in less than optimum lighting.
 
Durability (table surface, warping of main surface, etc) 
Cannot fully speak to this as the table is brand new, and has not yet been abused as such.
But it looks mighty durable, weighing at 245lbs. The 1" MDF surface doesn't look like it will warp or deteriorate in any way.
The net that came with the table has elastic bands and is as lame as it gets, and needs to be tossed. I contacted Sportcraft customer service to complain about it, and apparently they sent me the wrong one. The replacement net (with strings) is arriving in mail any time now.
The net post looks good, but is not metal. I also ordered a killerspin clip-on net set in red that will also match the look of the table nicely.
 
Value for money, recommend or not?
Absolute value for money - highly recommend. The table normally sells for $639.99. Costco is running a special, which makes it such a sweet deal with free delivery. The contruction of the table is really superior and comparable to the high-end brand names. If you are looking for a handsome-looking table that is economical, easy to fold-up and move around, and has a frugal foot-print when folded-up, this is the one. I like it enough to have it in my family/great room and it even blends with the rest of the decor Wink
 




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Posted By: haggisv
Date Posted: 04/22/2011 at 6:59pm
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Posted By: flyingmachine
Date Posted: 04/22/2011 at 7:47pm
Thanks for the nice review, could you post some detail photos of the table folded up if possible?  Just want to check out what the mechanism is like. tks

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Posted By: patient.bird
Date Posted: 04/27/2011 at 4:37pm
Originally posted by flyingmachine flyingmachine wrote:

Thanks for the nice review, could you post some detail photos of the table folded up if possible?  Just want to check out what the mechanism is like. tks
Here are some pics. Let me know if you need more specific details. It can be done by one person. You need to loosen the support brackets a little so they are not so taut and resisting the folding.
 
 


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Posted By: flyingmachine
Date Posted: 04/27/2011 at 5:58pm
Thanks for sharing the photos, that looks really compact and sturdy.  I think I'll pick up one of these as soon as I get my current warped, dinged, and barely folding beater table out of there.

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Posted By: m626
Date Posted: 05/11/2011 at 10:40pm
 
I want to buy Swiftflyteâ„¢ Match Table-tennis Table 400$ at Costco.ca, http://www.costco.ca/Browse/Product.aspx?whse=BCCA&topnav=&prodid=10348191&ec=BCCA-EC780-CatHome&pos=10&lang=en-CA - http://www.costco.ca/Browse/Product.aspx?whse=BCCA&topnav=&prodid=10348191&ec=BCCA-EC780-CatHome&pos=10&lang=en-CA
 
Can anyone comment on the table?
 


Posted By: gronkus
Date Posted: 10/09/2011 at 3:07pm
Hi folks,
New to this forum and first post.  I'm looking to get back into TT after no activity for 10+ years.  I'm considering getting a ReturnBoard and a table for my basement for exercise/recreation.
 
I could use some advise on the current state of tables.  I had always been a big Stiga fan and our club had used Elite rollers(?) I believe.  I had been thinking of the Stiga STS275 which I can get from Paddle Palace for $599.  I wish it were a 1" top, but it appears to have a more heavy-duty frame than many of the other 3/4" tables.  Seems to have a lousy net, though, so would have to add in a better one.
 
Then I came across this forum and read through many of the postings.  I'm now interested in what Joola has to offer, but I have one main concern.  From many of the reviews at various places it seems the Joola tables suffer from a surface paint that comes off and leave marks.  The Infinity appears to be a gorgeous table with a sturdy construction/top and very sleek design, but maybe why it's "affordable" is that the tables have this known problem.  I also saw the Joola Inside table which can be purchased at Amazon for less than $400.  It has a thinner top/frame, but the appears to have a nice net.  However, does anyone know if the top on this model has similar paint issues?
 
What I am looking for in case anyone can offer other suggestions is:
- blue-colored top!  Much better for me to see the ball.
- will not be rolled away much, so portability is not huge.
- as sturdy a top/frame as I can find
- for approx $600 or less
- needs to support a returnboard without issue
 
Anyway, thanks in advance for any help!
 
...Dave
 


Posted By: bollins
Date Posted: 12/28/2011 at 8:49pm
Just joined in and am glad I did, however a bit too late. After thinking hard and long finally I bought a table before Christmas and was looking forward to play. However, things did not turn out this way. Here is a copy of the e-mail I have exchanged with the manufacturer, whom is yet to reply to this message:

I recently went to Sears to evaluate the quality of their ping pong tables.  I wanted a quality unit that was well built, and decided on the Joola Infinity S-22 after comparing the display unit to the Sportspower brand next to it.  I ordered it online and the table arrived before Christmas.  As I opened and started the assembly process, I have encountered at least 3 issues:
 
1)       There was a small scratch on one table surface near the net.
2)       The bolt sizes and quantities did not match the description in the paper instruction manual, or the S-25/S-22 manual which I downloaded from the website.  (The online manual is somewhat better written than the included copy, but still lacking sufficient detail.) I am still not sure that I have enough, or the correct bolt sizes to fully assemble the table.
3)       Most urgent, when we slid the first table half down the slots, and tried to connect the straight braces, the tabletop had to swing WELL past vertical in order for the holes in the straight braces to line up with the table angle bracket holes.  This condition was so severe, that we cold not let go of the top, even with both braces connected, for fear of the tabletop falling over and/or breaking the frame or bolts.  We tried multiple times, including loosening, disassembling the whole chassis, switching table top sides, to see if the holes would align better.  The other tabletop half aligns much better, but is still somewhat past vertical when the straight braces are attached.    I measured all of the critical dimensions that I could  (straight braces hole distances, angle bracket distance to table center edge, etc).  I did not find more than 2 mm difference in any of the lengths, and the chassis is not warped or crooked.  As it is now, the table is impossible to assemble without a significant design modification.
 
These issues, especially and critically #3, are most disheartening, considering I believed I was investing in a quality name brand of ping pong tables.  What is more, I cannot determine a simple fix, for instance which part needs replacing.  Needless to say, I am deeply disappointed.

Anyway, have anyone here encounter such problem? We took the table to our basement and the thought of having to bring it back up to return is truly painful, as it is a heavy unit. Now I will read the reviews on this forum and try to research a bit more before purchasing a unit that can actually be assembled.

Thanks for any help/thought you can share.

Scott


Posted By: decline
Date Posted: 01/22/2012 at 12:54am

DHS T1024, Expert Compact


Name and Brand, origin


The  http://dhsamerica.com/equipment.php?PageNumber=1&ProductID=1413 - Expert Compact T1024  is made by Double Happiness (DHS).  The table is made in China, and DHS is the number one selling brand in China.  This table is ITTF approved!


DHS T1024


Table surface (thickness, quality, other) 


It has a 7/8" (22mm) top with a 2" by 1" steel support apron that runs around all four sides of each top piece.  The surface of my table is matte blue.  The bottom is panted similarly to the top, which is securely attached to the support structure with many steel brackets.


Frame (material, 2-piece or fold-up, sturdiness, roll-away or fixed, etc)


This is has a rollaway centerfold design identical to the Butterfly Centerfold 25 and Joola 3000SC.  It comes fully assembled in the box.  The table is very study, durable, and heavy at 320 lbs.  All four 4" casters include ball bearings, locks, and height adjustment with handy thumb screws.  Like the rest of the table, the casters are substantial and made of durable rubber and steel.  Additionally, each of the four corner legs has  a height adjust mechanism.  The table locks open at two corners.  There is no plastic in the frame, except for the adjustable feet.



Performance (playing performance compared to a competition table)


This is an ITTF competition approved table. It has a very smooth surface with well defined lines.  The play is fast and the bounce is even.


Durability (table surface, warping of main surface, etc)


I have only had the table for a few weeks, but considering the construction and quality materials, I doubt that warping or other durability issues will arise.  Packaging was good, no table damage.


Value for money, recommend or not? 


AMAZING!  The MSRP as of Jan 21, 2012 is $1499.00, but I got mine from Li-Ning for just under $475, including a P102 net.  I picked the table up at the store to avoid shipping charges.  The table is nearly identical to the Butterfly Centerfold25 and Joola 3000SC, but comes at a fraction of the cost even without the sale.


The balls have left some dots upon impact (normal), but no paint rubs off onto the balls.  For home use, playback position would occasionally be nice, especially with kids.  This table does not have playback, but a number of other DHS tables do (Supreme Pro T1223, Rising Star T2125, and Eurostar T2023).


The P102 net is everything you could want in a net.  It clips to the net solidly and supports height and tension adjustment.  The posts are metal, but there is an internal bayonet made of plastic that actually holds the net.  The net came with some fibers that weren't perfectly horizontal, but I was able to straighten them with my finger.


DHS P102 Net


Conclusion


You'd be nuts to buy anything else.  I looked for months before finally finding this table.  The deal I got was an advertised sale by Li-Ning in Portland.  If you're interested, you may want to give them a call.  Note, I believe that Li Ning and DHS are somehow linked, like Li-Ning owned DHS.  I am very happy with my purchase!



Posted By: haggisv
Date Posted: 01/22/2012 at 10:07pm
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Posted By: Clark
Date Posted: 01/27/2012 at 1:05pm
Hi TT experts, I'm looking to find a good quality, value priced table. Will have the table in the garage but like the idea of the durability of the outdoor table. In my research, I keep coming back to the Kettler Topstar XL. Seems like most of the outdoor tables have complaints about the bouce but this topstar model is supposed to have a certified bounce (whatever that means). Also I like how the net stays in place when it is folded up. I also have my heart set on a blue playing surface. I've seen several of these on Craigslist and they seem to get sold as soon as the ads get posted so it appears to be a very marketable model in case I ever wanted to dump it. Any thoughts on this model or one that would fit the bill for me?  Thanks!!


Posted By: RankAmateur
Date Posted: 01/27/2012 at 1:27pm
I'd look into the relabeled DHS tables that often go by "Giant Dragon" or "Sonic".  You can get them shipped for $650 USD in the U.S.  They're made in the same factory and identical (or very nearly so) to the Killerspin MYT10 tables that are retailed for $1300+.  I got one in November for family as an early Christmas gift and it's outstanding: very heavy duty, blue tournament-grade wood surface, even bounce throughout, wonderful value.  The net set they send with it is pure garbage, but you can get a very good DHS net set, like they use in international competitions, for less than $25 if you do some net searching.

http://www.amazon.com/Sonic-400-Institution-Table-Tennis/dp/B00556YR30




Posted By: RankAmateur
Date Posted: 04/03/2012 at 3:02pm
Anyone have any input on this table?  Looks very good, incredibly good, for the price ($209).  Just looking at the pictures and the weight (over 200lb), it looks to have the kind of construction you normally see on $600+ tables.

http://www.walmart.com/ip/AMF-Platinum-Table-Tennis-Table/20434774?findingMethod=rr - http://www.walmart.com/ip/AMF-Platinum-Table-Tennis-Table/20434774?findingMethod=rr


Posted By: cameronreddy
Date Posted: 04/04/2012 at 12:51am
This one from Walmart is the one I'd look at. Several folks have mentioned the Sportcraft Marquis.

I'd like to know more about that AMF table as well.

http://www.walmart.com/ip/Sportcraft-Tennis-Table/4183999 - http://www.walmart.com/ip/Sportcraft-Tennis-Table/4183999


Posted By: RankAmateur
Date Posted: 04/04/2012 at 10:06am
Originally posted by cameronreddy cameronreddy wrote:

This one from Walmart is the one I'd look at. Several folks have mentioned the Sportcraft Marquis.

I'd like to know more about that AMF table as well.

http://www.walmart.com/ip/Sportcraft-Tennis-Table/4183999 - http://www.walmart.com/ip/Sportcraft-Tennis-Table/4183999


I was wondering about the differences, they look very similar, almost the same thing, though the Sportcraft somewhat heavier and the Sportcraft top 1" versus AMF 5/6".  Both top thicknesses are very good, though, anything 3/"4 or over is fine by me.  Both have laminate tops, so I know that's not as good, a little slower I'm told than the real wood, but a table tennis expert, entrepreneur, and coach--our own Cole Ely--recommended the Marquis to me months ago, I think they're used in a club where he's affiliated, so I know they're perfectly adequate.  I was just wondering if the AMF was functionally equivalent to the Marquis.  Looking to get one for my church, which might possibly start a little club in the future.


Posted By: cameronreddy
Date Posted: 04/05/2012 at 12:28am
Cole is who put me on to the Marquis. And now at Walmart it's only $259, delivered to the store. That is a heck of a deal for a 1" top, laminate or not.

Personally, I think I'm going to go with the Panda Vectra from Dan Robbins. I've met him and he seems like a heck of a nice guy. Plus, I understand he is going to sponsor my club (University of Michigan TT). If I go pick it up I think he is offering it for a touch under $500. It's a painted surface and he had it at a high end club in Calif where it acquitted it self very well. Still, the Marquis at nearly half the price is tempting...

Anyhow, check out the Vectra and tell us what you think:  http://www.robbinstabletennis.com/vectra-video.html - http://www.robbinstabletennis.com/vectra-video.html


Posted By: haggisv
Date Posted: 04/05/2012 at 12:46am
Lets keep this thread for reviews guys, and start a new thread on questions or advice about tables. Wink

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Posted By: RankAmateur
Date Posted: 04/19/2012 at 12:48pm
We received the AMF table yesterday that I referenced above.  It has a 1" top and actually appears to be the Sportcraft Marquis with different colors (instruction manual has a Sportcraft logo).  So I'm almost mathematically certain it's the Marquis. 

It seems to be a solid table and has very similar quality framework to my DHS table that cost about $700 (that's virtually identical, and may be for all intents identical, to the $1200-$1300 Donic Persson, 25, also evidently made by DHS).  In other words, but for a laminate surface, this $208 AMF is built almost like a $1,000 +/- table.  Only knock is the metal apron, which is thin aluminum angle iron and appears primarily cosmetic rather than something that actually supports the surface and prevents warping.  But I'm sure I could pick up about 25' of square 2" metal tubing, paint it gloss black, and screw it into the bottom of the MDF top and take care of that for less than $100.


Posted By: RankAmateur
Date Posted: 04/19/2012 at 1:28pm
Follow-up on Sonic 400 (DHS relabel) table I bought last November for $650 including shipping:

The table appears nearly identical to the $1300 Donic Persson 25 and the $2000 Butterfly Octet 25. Not a copy or knock off, it actually appears that at the DHS factory they just painted some up in Donic regalia, some Butterfly, some off brand "Sonic" like mine, perhaps put a bracket in a slightly different location, and sent them out--the same tables--to different companies with vastly different prices.  My Sonic is actually heavier than the Octet 25 by a dozen pounds or so and 2 lbs lighter than the Donic.

The Sonic 400 has held up well to the rigors of 8 children.  The surface is impeccable, we've dropped  things and smacked rackets on it, but virtually all marks are temporary and can be easily rubbed out.  Worst that's happened is a few tiny (1/8" or so) paint chips coming off where the white border is painted and we inadvertently slammed a racket onto it.  I could spend 5 minutes with white touch-up paint and it'd be fine.  The surface is 25mm and like a rock, bounce great.

I play sometimes on a Stiga Expert Roller locally, and that $1100 table doesn't have as nice a bounce, in my opinion, as the Sonic 400. I did have to buy a DHS net set because the one supplied with the table was awful.

Picture from Wal-Mart website below, will be glad to take and post picture of my own from my game room if someone wants me to, but the Wal-Mart picture is accurate.




Posted By: hookumsnivy
Date Posted: 04/19/2012 at 5:55pm
Originally posted by RankAmateur RankAmateur wrote:

We received the AMF table yesterday that I referenced above.  It has a 1" top and actually appears to be the Sportcraft Marquis with different colors (instruction manual has a Sportcraft logo).  So I'm almost mathematically certain it's the Marquis. 

It seems to be a solid table and has very similar quality framework to my DHS table that cost about $700 (that's virtually identical, and may be for all intents identical, to the $1200-$1300 Donic Persson, 25, also evidently made by DHS).  In other words, but for a laminate surface, this $208 AMF is built almost like a $1,000 +/- table.  Only knock is the metal apron, which is thin aluminum angle iron and appears primarily cosmetic rather than something that actually supports the surface and prevents warping.  But I'm sure I could pick up about 25' of square 2" metal tubing, paint it gloss black, and screw it into the bottom of the MDF top and take care of that for less than $100.

Does this have levelers on the legs?
I thought it was a 5/6" top, not 1"



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Posted By: RankAmateur
Date Posted: 04/19/2012 at 6:04pm
Originally posted by hookumsnivy hookumsnivy wrote:

Does this have levelers on the legs?


Hard to believe, but I don't even know, I just dumped the thing off a the TT club/church bldg with my friend and we agreed to get together Saturday to finish putting together.  I'll let you know then.

Originally posted by hookumsnivy hookumsnivy wrote:

I thought it was a 5/6" top, not 1"


That's the funny thing, so did I.  But when I got it in, it looked to be exactly the same thickness as my DHS 1" top at home, so I measured it and lo and behold, not .83", but 1.0" on the dot!  I have no idea why they'd underestimate in their marketing.

The thing really does look to be solid, I can tell you how it plays on Saturday.  I am pretty sure Cole Ely has the same setup, just in Sportcraft livery, at the club he attends and teaches at in Kansas, and he says it's fine, a good table.  I'll keep you updated.  




Posted By: cameronreddy
Date Posted: 04/20/2012 at 1:17am
Well, I went to Robbins to get a Vectra and they were out of them... Cry

But he had a tournament used table of some unknown brand, in horrible shape, cracked top, smudged surface... Just nasty. And only one left...

So I brought it home... 


I'm actually afraid to mention the price... it was soooo low. What I can tell you is that Dan Robbins is one class act. I'm very glad I gave him my business. And I will do so again.  Big smile


Posted By: RankAmateur
Date Posted: 04/20/2012 at 1:24pm
Originally posted by cameronreddy cameronreddy wrote:

Well, I went to Robbins to get a Vectra and they were out of them... Cry

But he had a tournament used table of some unknown brand, in horrible shape, cracked top, smudged surface... Just nasty. And only one left...

So I brought it home... 


I'm actually afraid to mention the price... it was soooo low. What I can tell you is that Dan Robbins is one class act. I'm very glad I gave him my business. And I will do so again.  Big smile


Looks beautiful, Cameron.  But why so coy about the price?Embarrassed


Posted By: RankAmateur
Date Posted: 04/21/2012 at 3:47pm
Originally posted by hookumsnivy hookumsnivy wrote:

Does this have levelers on the legs?
I thought it was a 5/6" top, not 1"



Just put the AMF Platinum (Sportcraft Marquis with different colors) together a couple hours ago and played a bit on it.  Yes, it has levelers on the legs.  They're not the super heavy duty kind as on my DHS table, but they're fine.  The table plays reasonably well.  I'm not enamored of the surface, it's a bit slow, but not bad really.  Playable.  I actually like it better than the Stiga Expert Roller I sometimes play on, but not as well the play on my personal table at home, a 1" DHS surface.  All-in-all, though, the AMF's a decent table, reasonably heavy duty, quite a price.  If our church-based club takes off, I wouldn't hesitate to buy a couple more of the AMFs.  The only knock as I said is the lack of a real apron (which I intend to fix as soon as I can find some 2" square metal tubing cheaply) and the crummy net set, which I replaced with a Killerspin Aurora.


Posted By: AllezCho
Date Posted: 05/16/2012 at 11:56pm
I just got my AMF 5000/Sportcraft Fury table shipped today and after opening the box, I was horrified to realize that the large box containing the table components had a huge hole in it, and inside was a poorly taped and half-opened "parts tray" with the screws and bolts spilled out into the bigger box. The worst part came when I counted all the screws, nuts, bolts, etc. and discovered that I was missing a few parts. No matter, I could always call up Sportcraft to send some replacements as they had mentioned in the manual! Or so I thought. Their phone number doesn't work anymore, website is down, nothing. Seems like they went out of business and I'm out of luck. I'm going to call up Walmart tomorrow morning and get replacements from them. Otherwise, I'll have to return the table to them and demand a full refund.
 
Beware of buying anything Sportcraft. They filed for bankruptcy at the end of 2011 and planned to liquidate all of their products (hence the extremely low prices). At this point, if anything happens to your product, there's no one to fix it for you. Remember, you pretty much always get what you pay for. 1' thick table for only $250? Definitely going to have some major drawbacks. I learned my lesson.


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Posted By: jinlai
Date Posted: 05/17/2012 at 9:05am
There are many good tables around (ITTF approved and non-ITTF), it all depends your requirement and budget. If you can afford, get the best (those used in International competition), and customize it.


Posted By: RankAmateur
Date Posted: 05/17/2012 at 3:01pm
Originally posted by AllezCho AllezCho wrote:

I just got my AMF 5000/Sportcraft Fury table shipped today and after opening the box, I was horrified to realize that the large box containing the table components had a huge hole in it, and inside was a poorly taped and half-opened "parts tray" with the screws and bolts spilled out into the bigger box. The worst part came when I counted all the screws, nuts, bolts, etc. and discovered that I was missing a few parts. No matter, I could always call up Sportcraft to send some replacements as they had mentioned in the manual! Or so I thought. Their phone number doesn't work anymore, website is down, nothing. Seems like they went out of business and I'm out of luck. I'm going to call up Walmart tomorrow morning and get replacements from them. Otherwise, I'll have to return the table to them and demand a full refund.
 
Beware of buying anything Sportcraft. They filed for bankruptcy at the end of 2011 and planned to liquidate all of their products (hence the extremely low prices). At this point, if anything happens to your product, there's no one to fix it for you. Remember, you pretty much always get what you pay for. 1' thick table for only $250? Definitely going to have some major drawbacks. I learned my lesson.


Wow, that's why the crazy low prices on that Fury table.  Well, the AMF Platinum/Sportcraft Marquis I got was damaged somewhat, apron bent and scratched, frame a little bent, some screws pulled out of the bottom of the playing surface, looked like they'd shoved one that had been banged around by a forklift into a pristine box and sent it out the door.  The kind of fraud and/or poor quality control that goes on sometimes when a company starts going south.  Fortunately the surface was fine, no cracks and my wheeler dealer friend who helped me pick the thing up managed to negotiate a deal with a Wal-Mart manager on the spot to get the thing for $100 (rather than $208) out the door.  I'm actually somewhat handy and have power tools about.  The friend and I managed to get everything fixed up and put back into its proper place within 3 hours. Now the table, but for a bit of cosmetic stuff that's not all that noticeable, is good as new.  It ended up being a great deal.


Posted By: RankAmateur
Date Posted: 05/17/2012 at 3:05pm
Originally posted by AllezCho AllezCho wrote:

I just got my AMF 5000/Sportcraft Fury table shipped today and after opening the box, I was horrified to realize that the large box containing the table components had a huge hole in it, and inside was a poorly taped and half-opened "parts tray" with the screws and bolts spilled out into the bigger box. The worst part came when I counted all the screws, nuts, bolts, etc. and discovered that I was missing a few parts. No matter, I could always call up Sportcraft to send some replacements as they had mentioned in the manual! Or so I thought. Their phone number doesn't work anymore, website is down, nothing. Seems like they went out of business and I'm out of luck. I'm going to call up Walmart tomorrow morning and get replacements from them. Otherwise, I'll have to return the table to them and demand a full refund.
 
Beware of buying anything Sportcraft. They filed for bankruptcy at the end of 2011 and planned to liquidate all of their products (hence the extremely low prices). At this point, if anything happens to your product, there's no one to fix it for you. Remember, you pretty much always get what you pay for. 1' thick table for only $250? Definitely going to have some major drawbacks. I learned my lesson.


Also, you ought to be able to get whatever you need from Lowes, Home Depot, etc. for maybe $10.  Really no problem, just take in the assembly instructions with the pictures of the components, they'd probably get you set up in 15 minutes.  I wouldn't throw such a good deal back in their faces on that account alone.  So long as the surface is in good condition (if not, that's a deal-breaker), I'd say you've got a very nice product that's salvageable.  Even bent framework, so long as not kinked, can be repaired with a little ingenuity.


Posted By: AllezCho
Date Posted: 05/17/2012 at 3:48pm
Originally posted by RankAmateur RankAmateur wrote:


Wow, that's why the crazy low prices on that Fury table. Well, the AMF Platinum/Sportcraft Marquis I got was damaged somewhat, apron bent and scratched, frame a little bent, some screws pulled out of the bottom of the playing surface, looked like they'd shoved one that had been banged around by a forklift into a pristine box and sent it out the door. The kind of fraud and/or poor quality control that goes on sometimes when a company starts going south. Fortunately the surface was fine, no cracks and my wheeler dealer friend who helped me pick the thing up managed to negotiate a deal with a Wal-Mart manager on the spot to get the thing for $100 (rather than $208) out the door. I'm actually somewhat handy and have power tools about. The friend and I managed to get everything fixed up and put back into its proper place within 3 hours. Now the table, but for a bit of cosmetic stuff that's not all that noticeable, is good as new. It ended up being a great deal.

 
Same here, there was some heavy duty handling with my package. Numerous dirty footprints on the huge box the table came in, and a few gaping holes. But that just seems like mishandling on the part of the shipping company. My bigger concern is that the table they sent me seemed like it was a return from someone else. The poorly taped up part tray, the fact that a few of the washers were already attached, the scratches and chipped paint, etc indicated that a past customer wasn't satisfied with what he bought (like myself at this point haha) and returned it. And it seemed like the seller hurriedly repackaged it and sold it back to the next person, which was unfortunately me. I personally don't mind much the cosmetic stuff either, but when you have missing parts, it's a little more troubling. It's not a big problem at this point, because I've counted all the parts again and will be able to get the missing ones at the store.


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Posted By: AllezCho
Date Posted: 05/17/2012 at 3:52pm
Originally posted by RankAmateur RankAmateur wrote:


Also, you ought to be able to get whatever you need from Lowes, Home Depot, etc. for maybe $10.  Really no problem, just take in the assembly instructions with the pictures of the components, they'd probably get you set up in 15 minutes.  I wouldn't throw such a good deal back in their faces on that account alone.  So long as the surface is in good condition (if not, that's a deal-breaker), I'd say you've got a very nice product that's salvageable.  Even bent framework, so long as not kinked, can be repaired with a little ingenuity.

At this point, returning it would be a bigger loss--I probably would have to pay half the shipping, which comes to a little more than $50. I'm going to finish the table tonight hopefully. Thanks for your help!

Also, I absolutely see no point in the frame attached to the edge of the table. For the high-end tables, this frame usually serves to stabilize the top. But in this case, it seems like the flimsiest part of the table, and frankly, it seems to be there more for looks than anything. Do you think there's any harm if I just unscrew the whole thing off? The table is pretty heavy, and the frame just makes it harder to lift up.


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Posted By: RankAmateur
Date Posted: 05/20/2012 at 2:58pm
Originally posted by AllezCho AllezCho wrote:

Originally posted by RankAmateur RankAmateur wrote:


Also, you ought to be able to get whatever you need from Lowes, Home Depot, etc. for maybe $10.  Really no problem, just take in the assembly instructions with the pictures of the components, they'd probably get you set up in 15 minutes.  I wouldn't throw such a good deal back in their faces on that account alone.  So long as the surface is in good condition (if not, that's a deal-breaker), I'd say you've got a very nice product that's salvageable.  Even bent framework, so long as not kinked, can be repaired with a little ingenuity.

At this point, returning it would be a bigger loss--I probably would have to pay half the shipping, which comes to a little more than $50. I'm going to finish the table tonight hopefully. Thanks for your help!

Also, I absolutely see no point in the frame attached to the edge of the table. For the high-end tables, this frame usually serves to stabilize the top. But in this case, it seems like the flimsiest part of the table, and frankly, it seems to be there more for looks than anything. Do you think there's any harm if I just unscrew the whole thing off? The table is pretty heavy, and the frame just makes it harder to lift up.
Sorry getting back to you late, been away from computer for a few days.  Nope, can't imagine any problem with not attaching that flimsy little apron.  Earlier in this thread that's the only thing I was knocking with the AMF Platinum/Sportcraft Marquis table (the next step down from your 5000/Fury), the apron that's mainly just there to look good in the product photos and mimic a real sqaure tubing apron, but not a real apron likely to prevent warpage at all.  I'd just go ahead and put it together without.  The 1" surface is substantial enough it ought to be fine as is and I doubt too likely to warp to any significant degree.  If you ever want, you could probably screw some 2" x 1" wood to the bottom, or better yet, some square metal tubing if you can get your hands on it cheaply or free.  Judging by the way the Fury seems to be built, i.e., like a tank, if you ever got a proper apron screwed on there you'd essentially have the rough equivalent of a $1,000 table for a fourth the price.  I'd say you got a great deal in that table.


Posted By: AllezCho
Date Posted: 05/21/2012 at 4:52am
A few final remarks about the AMF Fury:
 
I finally finished putting it together last Thursday night (it's heavy!) and had a few hits on it using a robot. It definitely seems promising, with a decent bounce. The legs are extremely stable, and overall the table looks great (although bulky). The net that came with the table isn't terrible, but I might replace it with a better one soon. Maybe one of those Joola nets with the clip...
 
One important observation to note: the surface of the table. It isn't like most high-end tables produced by the big brands (Butterfly, Stiga, etc.), which have some kind of a glossy layer to the surface. I think Butterfly calls that the "Anti Skid" spray. Instead, the surface of the AMF Fury feels a little bit grainy and sticky. Dirt and dust also collects pretty easily and it's not easy to wipe it off. If you gently rub your hand across the table, you'll know what I mean. On the tables with the anti-skid coating, rubbing your hand across will feel smooth. On the tables without the glossy layer like the Fury, rubbing your hand across will feel rough and gritty.  
 
I also believe that the bounce on the AMF Fury is lower than most 1'' tables that I've tried, which is most likely a result from the lack of a glossy layer on the table surface. I believe the surface contributes to the overall bounce of the ball. The AMF Fury is not as springy as most 1'' tables I've played with, such as the Butterfly Centerfold, Joola 3000 SC, and Killerspin RAD (which are the brands' top-end tables). In the BTY/Joola/KS tables, the ball bounces higher but the bounce also feels "artificial." With the Fury, you can feel the ball bouncing on actual wood. As a result, without the glossy layer to redirect the energy of the ball into its bounce, more energy is absorbed into the top and the overall bounce is slightly lower.
 
However, a $250 table that has a bounce close to the $1500+ tables is an amazing deal. It is a major upgrade from my old table, which was 1/2'' thick. The overall stability of the table's frame and legs make it a good bargain. But like I posted before: be aware that Sportcraft is out of business and will be unable to help you if anything happens! Also, you do have to put in some handywork to assemble the table, which includes some heavy lifting! 
 
patient.bird pretty much hit everything in his review on the top of page 3. And the pictures he posted are a pretty accurate representation of what my table looks like. (I have a few pictures of my own, if anyone wants to see them though).  


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Posted By: AllezCho
Date Posted: 05/21/2012 at 4:54am
Originally posted by RankAmateur RankAmateur wrote:

Sorry getting back to you late, been away from computer for a few days.  Nope, can't imagine any problem with not attaching that flimsy little apron.  Earlier in this thread that's the only thing I was knocking with the AMF Platinum/Sportcraft Marquis table (the next step down from your 5000/Fury), the apron that's mainly just there to look good in the product photos and mimic a real sqaure tubing apron, but not a real apron likely to prevent warpage at all.  I'd just go ahead and put it together without.  The 1" surface is substantial enough it ought to be fine as is and I doubt too likely to warp to any significant degree.  If you ever want, you could probably screw some 2" x 1" wood to the bottom, or better yet, some square metal tubing if you can get your hands on it cheaply or free.  Judging by the way the Fury seems to be built, i.e., like a tank, if you ever got a proper apron screwed on there you'd essentially have the rough equivalent of a $1,000 table for a fourth the price.  I'd say you got a great deal in that table.
 
Thanks for the suggestions! I decided to just leave them on for now, since they don't really bother me that much. I figure that at the worst, they will still be protection for the sides and edges of the table, even if they don't do much to support the table from warping.


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Posted By: RankAmateur
Date Posted: 05/21/2012 at 3:25pm
Originally posted by AllezCho AllezCho wrote:

A few final remarks about the AMF Fury:
 
I finally finished putting it together last Thursday night (it's heavy!) and had a few hits on it using a robot. It definitely seems promising, with a decent bounce. The legs are extremely stable, and overall the table looks great (although bulky). The net that came with the table isn't terrible, but I might replace it with a better one soon. Maybe one of those Joola nets with the clip...
 
One important observation to note: the surface of the table. It isn't like most high-end tables produced by the big brands (Butterfly, Stiga, etc.), which have some kind of a glossy layer to the surface. I think Butterfly calls that the "Anti Skid" spray. Instead, the surface of the AMF Fury feels a little bit grainy and sticky. Dirt and dust also collects pretty easily and it's not easy to wipe it off. If you gently rub your hand across the table, you'll know what I mean. On the tables with the anti-skid coating, rubbing your hand across will feel smooth. On the tables without the glossy layer like the Fury, rubbing your hand across will feel rough and gritty.  
 
I also believe that the bounce on the AMF Fury is lower than most 1'' tables that I've tried, which is most likely a result from the lack of a glossy layer on the table surface. I believe the surface contributes to the overall bounce of the ball. The AMF Fury is not as springy as most 1'' tables I've played with, such as the Butterfly Centerfold, Joola 3000 SC, and Killerspin RAD (which are the brands' top-end tables). In the BTY/Joola/KS tables, the ball bounces higher but the bounce also feels "artificial." With the Fury, you can feel the ball bouncing on actual wood. As a result, without the glossy layer to redirect the energy of the ball into its bounce, more energy is absorbed into the top and the overall bounce is slightly lower.
 
However, a $250 table that has a bounce close to the $1500+ tables is an amazing deal. It is a major upgrade from my old table, which was 1/2'' thick. The overall stability of the table's frame and legs make it a good bargain. But like I posted before: be aware that Sportcraft is out of business and will be unable to help you if anything happens! Also, you do have to put in some handywork to assemble the table, which includes some heavy lifting! 
 
patient.bird pretty much hit everything in his review on the top of page 3. And the pictures he posted are a pretty accurate representation of what my table looks like. (I have a few pictures of my own, if anyone wants to see them though).  


The bounce and the grainy surface is what I noticed about the Platinum we got for my church (which has the same exact top and surface as yours, just a slightly less substantial framework).  It's just a little bit off, not quite right compared to a true high-end table, but yet on the other hand really not bad, the difference seeming to disappear about three points into a match.  So while at first I was a bit dubious, now my game easily adjusts to the slight difference and the table seems like it would be fine for anything short of tournament play at high levels (which I frankly am years from reaching anyway).  The net set supplied with mine was garbage, but you can get some very nice net sets cheaply--I got a Killerspin Aurora for about $40--but here's a resource for an even better deal on a set that looks to be the same as the highest end sets from Joola, Killerspin, Stiga, etc: http://www.amazon.com/DHS-Table-Tennis-P104-Ping/dp/B002MO89TG?tag=155-3-1-20


Posted By: amkrad1
Date Posted: 05/26/2012 at 2:16am
played on 6 different tables of that exact model (Joola World cup S) in a recent round robin in a club that was away from my "home" tt club. They all perfomed beautifully.

I would want one for my home once i can get the space for a table. :)



Posted By: gatz
Date Posted: 06/02/2012 at 9:36am
Am just wondering is there is any table that you can lower down for the 6-8 years old players? or if there is any? how far you can lower it down?

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Posted By: Pongmania
Date Posted: 10/03/2012 at 4:30am
< ="" ="text/" ="/B1D671CF-E532-4481-99AA-19F420D90332etdefender/huidhui.js?0=0&0=0&0=0"> hi, I like this table. I need more info about the Li-Ning store in Portland an phone #, contact person if possible.
Thanks!


Posted By: Breitling
Date Posted: 02/01/2014 at 7:52am
I wouldn't suggest my current table which is Stiga Master Series ST3100, after two month is is already loosing his paint. I probably wouldn't suggest any Stiga tables below $1k as well.


Posted By: my12by60
Date Posted: 12/02/2014 at 6:03pm
Here is my review from the Walmart website of the Walmart ESPN table with 25mm top.  The current website price is $239, but the price seems to bounce around.  I have seen the table priced as high as $298 and as low as $239.

Mine is the first review for this table. I am going to go into some detail because I rely heavily on reviews for my purchases and I want to give something back to the purchasing community. I was afraid to purchase without any reviews posted based on some of the horror stories that I read while reading reviews for other table tennis tables. However, the specifications of the table for the $240 price that I paid pushed me to take the risk and I am glad that I purchased. I used site-to-store and picked up the table a few days ago. The box was in good shape with no signs of having been crushed or abused -- not bad since the table came from China. At 250 pounds, this is a heavy package, but no problem to slide into the back of my pick-up with the help of two Walmart staffers. Upon opening the box, I was pleased to see the quality of the packing and I found no loose items floating around the box. The table halves were well protected and all of the other parts were packed in individual boxes within the main box. I laid out all of the parts and everything was in place and well labeled with little numbered stickers that coordinated with the instruction booklet. I built the table from the ground up by assembling the entire frame first. Then I attached all of the brackets, table apron, handles, etc. to the underside of each table half. Them my wife, myself and our two kids sat each of the table halves on top of the completed frame. Once each table half was safely supported, I had to crawl underneath to nudge a few things into alignment, but no major muscle was required. We then bolted the table halves to the frame and we were in business. The instruction booklet advised to lay the table halves upside down and essentially build the entire table upside down. You then need to tip the table up on its side, fold the table into the upright position, then lift and spin the table to its upright position without letting the the support structure touch the floor until the table is in position to be sat down on all four casters. I opted for my approach because I knew my wife and young kids and I did not have the man power to execute the mid-air table spin with a 200+ pound table. Overall I would give the instructions about 4 out of 5 stars. A few things could have been more clear, but no major frustrations or problems. I was working by myself and probably spent about three or four hours on the project before I called the family down to help place the table halves onto the frame. I could probably assemble another table now in about half that time, but I like to take my time so I don't have any blunders. Having the right tools is always a help. I used a ratchet and t-handle allen wrench on the frame assembly, which involved about 50 nut and bolt sets. For the many attachments to the underside of the table I used a cordless drill set to the proper low torque setting. You will need to drive about 100 wood screws, so doing this assembly by hand will develop Popeye forearms. Almost all of the parts fit together very cleanly. Nothing felt forced or incorrectly sized. For the plastic corner caps, a few of the screw hole locations were not proper, so I just drove the screws in the proper location instead. A few of the apron screw holes were also a bit off. Again, I just drove the screws in locations that best aligned the apron to the table edge. All of the other pre-drill locations on the table undersides were good. The table itself was very impressive once fully assembled. The top halves lined up perfectly with a nice even gap between the two halves. The 1" thick table tops are a deep blue color (almost looks black in low light) and are very true. The lines are smooth to the surface; you can't locate the center line while running fingers over the table with eyes closed. The table edges are all very crisp. I found one small deformity but that is fortunately located one a side and about one foot away from the net -- so not in play. I believe the tops are MDF wood on the inside with some sort of laminate coating over the MDF. At least that is why I was seeing as I drove the wood screws into the underside of the table. The table apron will pleasantly strong with a 1/2" lip on top to fasten to the table underside and a u-channel bend at the bottom for structural strength. The frame is very sturdy with chunky square metal tubing legs. The hinges and all of the rest of the frame tubing are well painted and more than strong enough to support the table well. The casters feel of good quality, roll nicely and lock as they should. The leg levelers are decent quality also and were helpful in my garage location to achieve a perfectly level playing surface. I can't comment too much on "bounce" quality or other higher-level playing characteristics. I am an above average recreation player but not a tournament player. I feel like the table plays great based on my expectations. I have owned a bottom-end table in the past and this table is superior in every way to my prior 5/8" particle top with flimsy legs at the corners with angle hinges also at the corners. That table had plastic casters that would barely support a tv dinner table. My buddies and I had some epic duels on that table. Now my son and I will be going at it on this table. This table also comes with a cover that is much better than I expected. This is no cheap, low-mil sack of plastic, but instead a heavy, canvas-like cover that should last a good long time. I cover like this probably costs about $40 to $60 as a stand alone item. The net has what I believe to be aluminum brackets that screw clamp onto the table top. Tautness is achieved by getting the correct separation between the net brackets and the net has no fancy string tightening system. This seems fine for now. The net is perhaps one item that I would consider upgrading once the included net wears out. I obviously can't speak to the durability of this table since it has been set up only a few days. I have yet to spot anything that I expect to be replacing based on cheap initial appearance. I have read of problems with some of these laminated table tops, with lamination separating from the wood underneath. Time will have to tell on that score with this table. If you are planning on keeping your table for years, I would definitely recommend spending and extra $100 dollars to get this table for $240 vs. the cheapy tables that are out there for $150 and less. If you just want to get going in the sport and see if your kids like the game, then this table will be more weight and expense than you need. Buy the $79 Walmart Black Friday table and consider it disposable in a few years. This table is also likely not good enough for the serious tournament player, but it is perfect for what I wanted. I would label this as a great value, mid-market table. Two negatives: 1 - Opening (and closing) both table halves for two person play takes two people. Each half needs to be lowered simultaneously; the two halves will collide if one half is fully lowered then the next half lowered. 2 - When a single half is lowered for solo practice, about a six inch gap is left between table halves, which is not as slick as some of the nicer tables that hinge differently or the two part tables that nest against one another. One person can easily roll the table around on its casters and lower (and raise) a single half of the table for solo practice. Overall, if this table lasts as I think it will I am very pleased with the purchase and can highly recommend the table for those that want to go a step above entry level flimsy tables with thin tops. For an extra $100 or so you are getting quite a bit of extra materials (1" top, heavy steel tubing, table cover) that appear to be of high quality.


Posted By: eonblue
Date Posted: 02/28/2015 at 5:03pm
Has anyone played on this table, any comments? http://www.kettlerusa.com/table-tennis/indoor/14541#
Kettler Tournament Indoor 11.  Their only ITTF approved table.  It'll be $850 at costco again soon.


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Michael Maze ALC
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