My New Timo Boll ZLF - The Verdict
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Topic: My New Timo Boll ZLF - The Verdict
Posted By: lildudejds
Subject: My New Timo Boll ZLF - The Verdict
Date Posted: 03/20/2009 at 12:34pm
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Tuesday I received my Timo Boll ZLF FL. I paid 105 Euros which I think is not a bad deal at all. It weighs 81 grams, and is DEAD SEXY. The construction is just plain awesome.
I put Tenergy 05 2.1 on the FH and Tenergy 64 2.1 on the backhand. Keep in mind I am coming from a mizutani. Speed - Mizutani is definitely faster, the ZLF is slower than the ratings suggest. But it still takes a serious ego to claim that it is "too slow". It is definitely fast enough. Control - Really good control. Better control than mizutani. Feel - Feels a lot different. It vibrates a whole lot more, but it is nice. Blocking with this blade is REALLY good compared to mizutani. Especially with 64 on the bh, I can block in my sleep. It can create some pretty good spin because of the dwell time. Is it worth what butterfly charges in America? No. It is a good blade, but nothing really seperates it from some other blades out there. I think the whole zylon thing is kind of a gimmic. I don't think it really does anything. Do I feel cheated? No. I didn't pay the $199 they want in America, and I would never. It is still a really good blade no doubt and will remain my main set up. Paired with tenergy, both 05 and 64, it is a spinning machine. It is fast enough to kill the ball when I need to, but controlled enough that I can keep the ball on the table. I would recommend this blade to people for sure! I love how light and thin it is, yet still has substantial power. I can take some pics of my set up if anybody wants. I don't really see the point though as you know what it looks like...but I guess people like seeing pictures that aren't the manufacturers. ------------- Nexy Hannibal Tenergy 05 Tenergy 05 FX |
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Posted By: miceman
Date Posted: 03/20/2009 at 12:41pm
| Do you personally feel the overall performance of ZLF is better then Mizutani? |
Posted By: lildudejds
Date Posted: 03/20/2009 at 12:48pm
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Certain aspects of it. Control is better, it can create spinnier loops.
Mizutani is still a good blade though. Lower throw is better for drives and over all speed. ZL carbon and the just plain ZL(zylon) have very different feels. ------------- Nexy Hannibal Tenergy 05 Tenergy 05 FX |
Posted By: LOOPMEISTER
Date Posted: 03/20/2009 at 1:04pm
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Thanks for the review. As I remember, you've used a Photino. How does it compare to that?
Also, can you compare it to a ALC or TBS? Thanks |
Posted By: le xex
Date Posted: 03/20/2009 at 1:06pm
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nice weight...the butterflyonline says its supposed to have around 86g and yours is 5 whole grams lighter than the average.. |
Posted By: DeathAngel
Date Posted: 03/20/2009 at 1:15pm
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How does it compare to the photino? Thickness also.
------------- Korbel ST H3 Neo 2.2 Desto F3 2.0 USA: 1522 CAN: 809 |
Posted By: schumi27
Date Posted: 03/20/2009 at 1:19pm
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Thanks for the review  |
Posted By: lildudejds
Date Posted: 03/20/2009 at 1:47pm
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It's much different than the photino. Photino is like 7mm thick, this is only 5.4mm. It's very thin. I personally like this a lot better. Photino just felt to big and bulky. I have more confidence to swing away with the ZLF. Photino feels a lot different. The hinoki gives it a much different feel and it is a lot faster. ZLF feels more solid, and gives better feedback. ------------- Nexy Hannibal Tenergy 05 Tenergy 05 FX |
Posted By: lildudejds
Date Posted: 03/20/2009 at 1:48pm
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Another note, My backhand has never been so deadly now that I have T64 on the back. I'm very happy with it. It is pretty much exactly as I expected it to be. ------------- Nexy Hannibal Tenergy 05 Tenergy 05 FX |
Posted By: ThaiLe
Date Posted: 03/20/2009 at 2:24pm
I can't wait to get my hands on it. Mine is on the way... 
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Posted By: lildudejds
Date Posted: 03/20/2009 at 2:26pm
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What are you expecting and what blade are you coming from? I can probably help you decide whether it's for you or not. ------------- Nexy Hannibal Tenergy 05 Tenergy 05 FX |
Posted By: lildudejds
Date Posted: 03/20/2009 at 11:36pm
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Another session tonight. This blade is the best blocking blade in the world. T64 is also amazing at blocking.
I'm loving this combo more and more every minute I play with it. ------------- Nexy Hannibal Tenergy 05 Tenergy 05 FX |
Posted By: peter79
Date Posted: 03/21/2009 at 12:06am
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seems very promising, does it has a woody feel? is it hard or medium feel? Malin Carbon which is a carbon blades surprisingly has more woody feel than acoustic which is all wood blade. ------------- Andro Wanokiwami AO Offensive 83 gr H3 National Orange 40 deg 2.2 Baracuda Max 182 Gr |
Posted By: liXiao
Date Posted: 03/21/2009 at 12:17am
Play withh Butterfly, you will get the best  ------------- Gewo Aruna Hinoki Carbon Gewo Nexxus EL Pro 53 SuperSelect Yinhe Qing |
lildudejds wrote:Posted By: DeathAngel
Date Posted: 03/22/2009 at 2:22am
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Do you think the ZLF has more,less or similar dwell time compared to the Photino?
------------- Korbel ST H3 Neo 2.2 Desto F3 2.0 USA: 1522 CAN: 809 |
Posted By: bozbrisvegas
Date Posted: 03/22/2009 at 5:39am
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Lildude very cool, love the review and it sounds dam hot. Your the first person apart from myself that refers to a setup as sexy. Anyway I'm super jealous that your blade is 81g, I wish my alc was that weight or less! If I knew I could get it at that weight I would have rethought. Anyway I still love my alc, in particular with long pimples on one side. Because it isnt to fast and yet a bit harder so gives spin reversal but doesnt float off the end of the table that fast carbon does. I know that vibration you talk of, I noticed that with my amultart, I called it reverb, a kind fine vibration unlike a badly made bat vibration which is inconstant. I keep trying to go back to 05 on my backhand and love it but then when retry the 64 again it feels like a breath of fresh air and has a nice clack in punch drive mode.. hope you use your new setup with health co zdravje da ci go sluzis ------------- Grubba Variant ALL fh: Hurricane 38 degrees MAX bh: tensor MAX https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQgNPkpILsg&list=PL9V-XUSPJgk-loYl2zRhQZ29lsAK7tdLX" rel="nofollow - Watch me playing TT |
Posted By: BH-Man
Date Posted: 03/23/2009 at 12:36am
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Yur new setup sounds cool and you certainly like it. You did well. Way better than most of us who try out 25 things before we discover what we like. You had better like it for the price. 100 Teuros ( yeah, I spelled it right. You old school Germans who are accustomed to Deutschmarks will know that term well :) ) Then another 100 smackeroos for the rubbers. We'll you are happy and stil at a lower cost than I lot of us went through before we settled on our favorites. ------------- Korea Foreign Table Tennis Club Search for us on Facebook: koreaforeignttc |
Posted By: DeathAngel
Date Posted: 03/23/2009 at 1:18am
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all of this hype i kinda wish i bought the ZLF instead of my photino :(
------------- Korbel ST H3 Neo 2.2 Desto F3 2.0 USA: 1522 CAN: 809 |
Posted By: addoydude
Date Posted: 03/23/2009 at 1:43am
How do you like the Roxon 450 on your Ma Lin Carbon? I have a MLC myself (penhold), and still not settled on the backhand rubber. |
Posted By: peter79
Date Posted: 03/23/2009 at 4:21am
Roxon 450 doesn't feel to soft or hard on MLC. If you like harder rubber you may try Zeta. Between Roxon 450 and Zeta: Durability Zeta>Roxon 450 Spin Zeta>Roxon 450 Speed Roxon 450>Zeta Zeta is cheaper, it's a very good BH rubber than Roxon 450. After loosing the grip of my Roxon, I put parrafin oil on the top sheet of roxon 450, soon after put some liquid soap on it. I wipe until the buble comes out, after that I rinse it with water. The topsheet amazingly becomes grippy again  ------------- Andro Wanokiwami AO Offensive 83 gr H3 National Orange 40 deg 2.2 Baracuda Max 182 Gr |
Posted By: tabl10s
Date Posted: 03/23/2009 at 2:54pm
| Since the the ZLF and Photino both use ZLF, the difference can only be the thickness and the wood(what does the Photino use anyway?). |
Posted By: lildudejds
Date Posted: 03/23/2009 at 4:41pm
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No tabl10s, they are completely different. They are made of different wood, completely different feel. Not at all the same.
Photino uses hinoki outer plies by the way. ------------- Nexy Hannibal Tenergy 05 Tenergy 05 FX |
Posted By: tabl10s
Date Posted: 03/23/2009 at 6:32pm
| What wood does the ZLF use? |
Posted By: pokerpete
Date Posted: 03/24/2009 at 12:42am
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how is hitting and smashing with the zlf compared to mizutani is the zlf hard enough or versatile enough to be a hitters blade ?....or would you recommended for heavy loopers only ------------- Blade:Stiga Sense 7.6/ Timo ZLC FH: Tenergy 05FX BH: Tibhar Q5 Sound |
Posted By: lildudejds
Date Posted: 03/24/2009 at 12:51am
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eh, it probably doesn't have enough speed for hitting. I'd probably go with the zlc for hitting. The zlf excels at looping for sure. ------------- Nexy Hannibal Tenergy 05 Tenergy 05 FX |
Posted By: pokerpete
Date Posted: 03/24/2009 at 1:28am
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well what if i said TBS was hard enough for hitting and looping.....would you say zlf is softer and slower than TBS?......or can you comment on that?
------------- Blade:Stiga Sense 7.6/ Timo ZLC FH: Tenergy 05FX BH: Tibhar Q5 Sound |
Posted By: LOOPMEISTER
Date Posted: 03/24/2009 at 11:17am
This is the comparison I've been waiting for since those new blades were released. |
Posted By: Takadigi
Date Posted: 03/25/2009 at 2:24am
No, ZLF isn't necessarily softer and certainly not slower than TBS. The feel is somewhat similar but ZLF loops better. ZLF also is certainly lighter. Whether you can hit with it or not really depends on what you are used to. I recently moved to ZLF from Schlager Carbon and not a single flat hit went to the other side my first day of playing matches with the new blade. Only one thing came to my mind that night - hitting with ZLF sucks  . But I do understand that my experience that night was compounded because of my old set up that was pretty much "a hitter's paradise."But looping, blocking, pushing are all so much better that I can't complain. Switching to ZLF eventually changed my game. I have started to put a lot more spin on balls that I would have invariably attempted a "flat hit" with my Schlager Carbon. The result is that a lot more balls are going in compared my old set up. Net-net I am happier and one of my Schlager Carbon blades will go up for sale pretty soon. BTW, the biggest difference in my game after moving to ZLF is that my backhand loops have become way more consistent. |
Posted By: Takadigi
Date Posted: 03/25/2009 at 2:34am
Absolutely agree with that statement. Yes, it sure is sexy. BTW, mine weighed 83 gms. And I paid $153.50 (14900 Yen with shipping charges) from Iruiru. It is still a good $50 less compared to what it would cost me here in the US. More importantly, I wanted the blade in ST handle that was not available anywhere in the US. By the way, where did you buy it from? |
Posted By: speaquinox
Date Posted: 03/25/2009 at 4:13pm
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I played with the very same setup (ZLF + 05 + 64) today. I bought the ZLF used, 80 gr. I do agree with lildudejds, it's a great combo. ZLF is stiff but softish with some vibrations. I'll try 64 on both sides. ------------- Innerforce ALC, Glayzer / Rozena |
Posted By: ThaiLe
Date Posted: 04/04/2009 at 10:38pm
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The waiting is finally over. Got my ZLF with T05 on FH & Boost TP on BH yesterday. It is such a nice awesome looking blade. Anyway, I had a long good evening with the blade today. Nice feeling, great blade for looping, and very good control. The small vibration feedback helps me a lot when I loop the ball. Mine is ~ 84 gr and and it feels very balanced. |
Posted By: lildudejds
Date Posted: 04/04/2009 at 10:40pm
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So maybe you can reenforce my point that, while it is not worth what they charge for it in the US, it is still a great blade and for 105 Euros(what I paid), it was worth it to me. ------------- Nexy Hannibal Tenergy 05 Tenergy 05 FX |
Posted By: ThaiLe
Date Posted: 04/04/2009 at 10:49pm
Forgot to mention that I also paid 105 Euros for the blade. And I don't know how much the blade is sold in the US. Anyway, T05 on ZLF is such a nice looping combo...  |
Posted By: lildudejds
Date Posted: 04/04/2009 at 10:56pm
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Agreed. It's $199 in the US. CRAZY! ------------- Nexy Hannibal Tenergy 05 Tenergy 05 FX |
Posted By: lildudejds
Date Posted: 04/04/2009 at 10:56pm
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Agreed. It's $199 in the US. CRAZY! ------------- Nexy Hannibal Tenergy 05 Tenergy 05 FX |
Posted By: tdragon
Date Posted: 04/04/2009 at 10:57pm
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Posted By: johnny89atc
Date Posted: 04/04/2009 at 10:58pm
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graeztch sells it only for 129$ shipped...
------------- Blade: OSP Virtuoso-L RST 87gr FH: Butterfly Tenergy 05 FX 2.1 BH: Butterfly Tenergy 05 1.9 |
Posted By: petedogg629
Date Posted: 04/26/2009 at 8:50pm
| I just received my zlf today, and i'm wondering if you think it is necessary to seal the zlf |
Posted By: lildudejds
Date Posted: 04/26/2009 at 10:31pm
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no its not crucial ------------- Nexy Hannibal Tenergy 05 Tenergy 05 FX |
Posted By: Takadigi
Date Posted: 04/26/2009 at 10:36pm
I would definitely agree. As a matter of fact, I have never varnished any of my blades including the ZLF. I have always ensured to peel off the butters side to side and never had any splintering issues related to peeling off rubbers. Now with gluing and re-gluing days gone, there is even less chance to encounter the issue. |
Posted By: bozbrisvegas
Date Posted: 07/13/2009 at 6:04am
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I just bought one for myself its about 81.5g and feels sexy just to hold.
------------- Grubba Variant ALL fh: Hurricane 38 degrees MAX bh: tensor MAX https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQgNPkpILsg&list=PL9V-XUSPJgk-loYl2zRhQZ29lsAK7tdLX" rel="nofollow - Watch me playing TT |
Posted By: cntcasey
Date Posted: 01/22/2010 at 10:52pm
| Oh man after reading these reviews and playing with one the other day I want one! |
Posted By: lildudejds
Date Posted: 01/23/2010 at 12:15am
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wow you like diggin up old topics don't ya ;)
well as you know I have changed blades, but yeah the zlf is still an excellent blade. ------------- Nexy Hannibal Tenergy 05 Tenergy 05 FX |
Posted By: cntcasey
Date Posted: 01/23/2010 at 12:16am
| I want to get it!!!! |
Posted By: lildudejds
Date Posted: 01/23/2010 at 12:19am
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Well my offer is still out there if you want a used one...
------------- Nexy Hannibal Tenergy 05 Tenergy 05 FX |
Posted By: cntcasey
Date Posted: 01/23/2010 at 12:28am
| Where do you live? |
Posted By: cntcasey
Date Posted: 01/23/2010 at 12:33am
| Is it in good shape? I live in Colorado! |
Posted By: lildudejds
Date Posted: 01/23/2010 at 12:48am
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Missouri. Yeah it's in good shape. It has a few dings on the edges, but nothing crazy, blade face is fine on both sides. I'll provide pics if you do get a serious interest.
------------- Nexy Hannibal Tenergy 05 Tenergy 05 FX |
Posted By: cntcasey
Date Posted: 01/23/2010 at 12:51am
| would you take 75 |
Posted By: lildudejds
Date Posted: 01/23/2010 at 12:56am
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Let's do this over a PM. ------------- Nexy Hannibal Tenergy 05 Tenergy 05 FX |
Posted By: cntcasey
Date Posted: 01/23/2010 at 12:57am
| sure |
Posted By: jt99sf
Date Posted: 01/23/2010 at 1:22am
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FYI: these are the new blade w/shipping prices.
"Here's the latest list. Our stock is running low and we are waiting for the new stock to arrive. If you are interested in anything, do let us know. Thanks.
1. Bty Cypress Max - USD175
2. Bty KTS - USD175 3. Bty Amultart - USD130 4. Bty ZLC - USD147 5. Bty ZLF - USD138 6. Bty KOng Linghui - USD96 7. Bty Sardius - USD96 8. Bty Schlager - USD96 9. Bty Primorac Carbon - USD96 10. Bty Tenergy 05/25/64 - USD60 10. Yasaka Kanyo - USD78
11. Xiom Ignito - USD102 Rgds graeztch" -------------  Photino/Super Viscaria : H3 (FH)/Dr N pips(BH)林德成 HardBat:Hock 3-Ply /Dr Evil |
Posted By: cntcasey
Date Posted: 01/25/2010 at 10:24am
| What are the characteristics of a blade that all you to feel the ball on the bat and send the sensation down the hand and into the forearm? |
Posted By: Erikson45
Date Posted: 01/25/2010 at 10:28am
Idk maybe an all wood blade would give the best feeling  ------------- Rutis FH: H3 BH: T64 |
Posted By: cntcasey
Date Posted: 01/25/2010 at 10:31am
| So an all wood blade will transfer the feeling from the ball on the face to the hand and wrist more then a carbon fiber blade? I assume this is because of vibration? |
Posted By: patrick1v
Date Posted: 01/26/2010 at 3:29pm
| hey talk about the zlf tried the innerforce zlf very nice blade lots of feeling nice weight. if the head was a bit smaller. |
Posted By: cntcasey
Date Posted: 01/26/2010 at 3:40pm
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I am sticking with the TBS! Now I just need to find a post speed glue rubber that would be suitable for a 1200 to 1600 player? Is the rubber solocion a post speed glue ban rubber? |
Posted By: lildudejds
Date Posted: 01/26/2010 at 3:53pm
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Stay away from Tenergy. If you must have butterfly, give bryce speed fx a shot. Lovely rubber. If you want to dare try a different brand, try any of the german made tensors, they should suit your needs at your level. ------------- Nexy Hannibal Tenergy 05 Tenergy 05 FX |
Posted By: cntcasey
Date Posted: 01/26/2010 at 3:59pm
German Made Tensors? Can you give me an example of a German made tensor? Sorry for the dumb question and sorry I did not search it first! I am so afraid to ask any questions on here for fear I will get yelled at for not using the search option. 
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Posted By: lildudejds
Date Posted: 01/26/2010 at 4:19pm
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Anything made my ESN, for example Donic's line of desto or platin rubbers, most of Joola's rubbers, Tibhar Nimbus series, Andro Plasma or roxon series, ect.
Also, there is the new generation of these tensors, which would be Andro Hexer, Joola Xplode, Donic Barracuda, Xiom Vega, ect. I'd recommend something like Andro Plasma, in 2.0 sponge or so. It is pretty controllable. ------------- Nexy Hannibal Tenergy 05 Tenergy 05 FX |
Posted By: figgie
Date Posted: 01/26/2010 at 4:22pm
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cntcasey
1200-1600 and already going tensor...... hope you have a coach in the waits. ------------- Speed glue, booster, tuner free since 2006!!! |
Posted By: jt99sf
Date Posted: 01/26/2010 at 4:24pm
an elementary school student is not going to understand high school math. learn the basics first. walk before run...etc. ------------- Photino/Super Viscaria : H3 (FH)/Dr N pips(BH)林德成 HardBat:Hock 3-Ply /Dr Evil |
Posted By: lildudejds
Date Posted: 01/26/2010 at 4:26pm
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Well not all tensors are bad for learning, but yes, if he gets one in max thickness, especially one of the new generation ones, then yes, it will be bad. One of the Desto series, or plasma series in a thinner sponge won't be all that bad.
But, assuming he lives in the US, He'd be just as well off getting some sheets of Inspirit Quattro UL from Cole. Very Very Affordable and still will have enough speed and spin for anybody. ------------- Nexy Hannibal Tenergy 05 Tenergy 05 FX |
Posted By: lildudejds
Date Posted: 01/26/2010 at 4:28pm
The only reason I even mentioned these rubbers is because he seems like the kind of player who doesn't know how much he really needs to develop before getting different equipment. I mean come on, in the first week here he has already been talking about getting 200 dollar butterfly blades, fast ones at that. Casey, to be honest with you, stick with the TBS, and give Cole_ely an email. Have him set you up with some rubber. There is some good chinese rubber out there that will be easy on your wallet at your level, and will play MUCH MUCH better than your bryce you have now. ------------- Nexy Hannibal Tenergy 05 Tenergy 05 FX |
Posted By: figgie
Date Posted: 01/26/2010 at 5:07pm
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<-- I refined my form on none speed glued H2... Helped to go to the faster stuff... ------------- Speed glue, booster, tuner free since 2006!!! |
Posted By: Imago
Date Posted: 01/26/2010 at 5:10pm
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Sure. H2 is a perfect rubber even for startups. As for the previous advice, we have just assembled for a friend Shark X686 with Dawei 2008 Super Power XP, 2.0 mm. Real power with much better control than with, say, H3. IB TECH-Exonsor (advanced tensor) technology with 4 sponge options - 2.2mm/2.0mm/1.8mm/1.5mm |
Posted By: cntcasey
Date Posted: 01/26/2010 at 5:12pm
I am sticking with my TBS I am not going to change my blade for at least 2 years I have committed to it. I do need to do something about my rubber. I am not 100% satisfied with Bryce. If it's possible to get a controlable tensor rubber that is what I want to do! Thanks for the suggestions and for helping me see I do not need the Timo Boll ZLF, It would be much wiser to stick with the TBS and get some new rubbers. I will look in to all the suggestions you have mentined. The hardest part is not knowing exactly what is and what is not a tensor rubber. OH yes that is why t this forum has a search option! How could I be so stupid? I hope and pray that don't shut this thread down as well! I hope Mr. Bull does not read this thread! Big Brother is watching you! |
Posted By: figgie
Date Posted: 01/26/2010 at 5:40pm
Don't be cynical as it serves no purpose than to fuel the fire. ------------- Speed glue, booster, tuner free since 2006!!! |
Posted By: jt99sf
Date Posted: 01/26/2010 at 5:44pm
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I am sticking with my TBS I am not going to change my blade for at least 2 years I have committed to it. I do need to do something about my rubber. I am not 100% satisfied with Bryce. If it's possible to get a controlable tensor rubber that is what I want to do! Thanks for the suggestions and for helping me see I do not need the Timo Boll ZLF, It would be much wiser to stick with the TBS and get some new rubbers. I will look in to all the suggestions you have mentined. The hardest part is not knowing exactly what is and what is not a tensor rubber. OH yes that is why t this forum has a search option! How could I be so stupid? I hope and pray that don't shut this thread down as well! I hope Mr. Bull does not read this thread! Big Brother is watching you! [/QUOTE] Ok, so you're staying with the TBS. that's a good start. How long have you been playing with the Bryce? is that your first rubber? what do you see that the Bryce is not doing for you? what does your coach say about you using the Bryce at your stage of playing? ------------- Photino/Super Viscaria : H3 (FH)/Dr N pips(BH)林德成 HardBat:Hock 3-Ply /Dr Evil |
Posted By: kelvinyoong
Date Posted: 01/26/2010 at 6:06pm
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@cntcasey It is good that you are going to stick to your TBS. This is good decision. If you are dead set to go for a tensor rubber against most of the experienced forum members advice. And to fit your requirement of not been to expensive that i recommend you give Palio Macro Era a try. It is ESN 4.5G Tensor rubber and is cost about USD$30 per sheet from ttarmory.com It comes with 2 different hardness which is 47.5 (medium hard) and 42.5 (medium soft). You can buy 1 sheet to try and if you like it, you can buy another. You will have to test to see which hardness and thickness will suit your style of play. ------------- Andrzej Grubba AN Sriver 2.1 Sriver 1.9 |
Posted By: bull_harrier
Date Posted: 01/26/2010 at 6:14pm
If you want to discuss a rubber that would be a good match for the blade you are using then first go to the search button above and if you can't find any information then start a new thread. ------------- Clipper CR WRB FH: Boost TP BH: Boost TP http://www.youtube.com/user/bullharrier - My Biology/Physiology Learning Channel on Youtube |
Posted By: Reinecke
Date Posted: 01/26/2010 at 7:12pm
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Wasn't there a recent thread about rubbers to match TBS? Or was that yours casey? You should be able to look just a few pages back. ------------- Mizutani Jun ST Tenergy 64 Tenergy 64 
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Posted By: cntcasey
Date Posted: 01/26/2010 at 7:31pm
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Ok, so you're staying with the TBS. that's a good start.
How long have you been playing with the Bryce? is that your first
rubber? what do you see that the Bryce is not doing for you? what does
your coach say about you using the Bryce at your stage of playing?
I have been playing with the Bryce ever sense I got the TBS! That was about 4 months ago! I do not like how bryce does not allow you to feel the ball on the blade. I want to feel the ball on the blade I like to feel the vibrations in my hand that the ball hitting the blade send to the hand! As I tried to explain on the other post that was closed by Mr. Boll I played with a playing partners TBS who -Plays with Tenergy 05 and I could really feel the ball on the blade I could feel that immediate feed back in the hand and forearm that I personally like. Personally I want to feel the ball. I do not like the fact that that Bryce does not allow me to feel the ball. So my Problem is this My coach recommends that I play Bryce but I do not like the feel. He does not nor does any member of this great forum recomend that I play Tenergy at this point in my development and I respect this 100%, So I am left to discover what rubber would be good for me that gives the same ball to hand feed back as tenergy, but will not hinder my development. This is exactly what I typed in the other thread but they shut it down saying that I need to do a search and not ask this question! Well I have tried the search option and I can not find the answer. I have done as they have asked and can not find an answer so I can only ask again and hope they don't shut me down again. By the way thanks to all those who truly have helped me! It frustrating to feel like you can't ask questions! |
Posted By: tdragon
Date Posted: 01/26/2010 at 7:47pm
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You keep telling us how great your coach are and you don't listen to his suggestion. Why don't you tell him what you feel and see how he recommends you. If you don't have the trust on his recommendation, then you should look for different coach
People in the forum can not tell you much since
1. They don't exactly know what your level.
2. They don't play the same style as yours and they don't know your style.
3. They may not like the feeling as your feeling.
As what I have done, I find the blade which I like. Then I keep changing rubber until I get the comfortable combination. People keep saying that it is EJ. But by doing so (really expensive), I will make sure that I get what best fit for me.
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Posted By: kelvinyoong
Date Posted: 01/26/2010 at 7:47pm
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If you want to have vibration to feel the ball then give the Palio HK1997 Biotech 39-41 a try. I am sure you will feel the vibration from this rubber. Get one sheet, put in on your FH and see how it plays. Only you can determine which rubber will suit you as everyone's feeling is different. Humbly you should avoid Tenergy and Tensor rubbers at this stage. Your coach is right to recommend Bryce unglued for this reason. Unless you insist then look at my previous post. Your coach should (unless he only plays with Butterfly products) be able to recommend another rubber to you. ------------- Andrzej Grubba AN Sriver 2.1 Sriver 1.9 |
Posted By: cntcasey
Date Posted: 01/26/2010 at 10:26pm
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Your coach should (unless he only plays with Butterfly products) be able to recommend another rubber to you. My Coach is butterfly sponsored and so he will only recommend butterfly rubbers. Does any one know if the butterfly rubber Solcion is considered a tensor rubber? I know Solcion it has Butterfly's High tension sponge, but I am not sure if just because a rubber has high tension sponge does that automatically mean that it is considered a tensor rubber? I have been thinking about Solcion as an option but have no idea. |
Posted By: icontek
Date Posted: 01/26/2010 at 10:44pm
Tensor is a trademark of the German company ESN, if I recall correctly.
Buy some 2.0mm and 1.8mm 35 degree IQUL from cole. You won't be unhappy. ------------- http://bit.ly/vLMhuB" rel="nofollow - - RC1042 . OSP Virtuoso AC: PK50 + R42 |
Posted By: lildudejds
Date Posted: 01/26/2010 at 10:59pm
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Yes no butterfly rubbers are tensors. And even those "high tension" sponges still need speed glue to really come alive.
Give Bryce Speed FX a shot, all though it's very fast, so maybe something like Roundell, or Sriver G3 would be better. ------------- Nexy Hannibal Tenergy 05 Tenergy 05 FX |
Posted By: bozbrisvegas
Date Posted: 01/27/2010 at 1:48am
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I used solcion for a bit - and if you are happy with loops that never miss the table that vary in spin depending on what you loop its a good rubber.
The best shot with solcion is when you go for a super big kill loop and the play has moved a couple of metres back and the ball dives in front of their feet.
Or you roll loop and they think its spinny and keep blocking into the net.
check my solcion video for that... ------------- Grubba Variant ALL fh: Hurricane 38 degrees MAX bh: tensor MAX https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQgNPkpILsg&list=PL9V-XUSPJgk-loYl2zRhQZ29lsAK7tdLX" rel="nofollow - Watch me playing TT |
Posted By: mindfreak19
Date Posted: 01/27/2010 at 8:02pm
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i used to play plasma 430 on a tbs
soft rubber controllable fast and spinny, what more could you ask for. i have 3 of them for sale, all in red. not to mention, i have limited edition national team version of roxon 450 in black. great rubber for forehand, spin and speed is awesome, great for a 1200-1600 player, great control. i used to use it myself. couldn't get myself to use my third and last sheet, so i'm selling it. pm me if interested, can give you a good deal |
Posted By: Mickael
Date Posted: 08/15/2013 at 5:38am
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After reading many posts about the ZLF fiber, I was afraid buying a ZL blade. But took the risk after getting to a conclusion that tbs viscaria and the alc variation are weak for controlling the ball over the table, and the acoustic and it's variation korbel miss the sweet spot and the blocking over the table. This blade after owning it is a GOTCHA. Feel control that I can make short balls bounce 4 times over the table, looping is very ne'er the alc but much more spin and accuracy. I got tears in my eyes after spending so much money and time. The perfect blade whatsoever for a looping style and master game over the table. Low balls when pushing tremendous spin whan looping. A piece of art. ------------- Butterfly Fransizka ZLC FL Butterfly Dignics 05 2.1 FH Butterfly Tenergy 05 1.9 BH |
Posted By: Firestarter
Date Posted: 07/01/2020 at 10:56am
| can I revive this post? 😂 |