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Topic: Schlager playing in a garage
Posted By: 7plywood
Subject: Schlager playing in a garage
Date Posted: 12/28/2009 at 6:54pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbjcyS8Mmys - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbjcyS8Mmys

Found this link on a different TT site. Fun to watch, Schlager playing beer-pong.




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Posted By: tiehwen
Date Posted: 12/28/2009 at 7:06pm
pretty neat find...
As if he hasn't got enuf t/t already....some more garage t/t w/1 of his beer buddies I guess...
Just luv the way he holds his racket.....
Wait a min..... I hold mine EXACTLY the same way...Embarrassed


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Posted By: silverhair
Date Posted: 12/28/2009 at 9:09pm

Oh, look!!  He's using Tenergy!!

Is the under-the-leg serve legal? 

Timo Boll gets the winner. 

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Posted By: BMonkey
Date Posted: 12/29/2009 at 2:31am
Wow, Werner was having a good ol time giving him all those chump serves. I can't believe that guy is 2200 and missed all those smashes over and over again. He must have been nervous to be faced down by the 2003 World Champion. I would have rubbed the ball in my sweat before serving so I could stand a chance Big%20smile


Posted By: Skyline
Date Posted: 12/29/2009 at 2:35am
Schlager's ball placement is incredible.


Posted By: debraj
Date Posted: 12/29/2009 at 2:58am
What surprises me most in that video is the other guy claims to be 2207 US rating !!!



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Posted By: smackman
Date Posted: 12/29/2009 at 2:59am
The other guy is pushblocker and he is 2207

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Posted By: Anton Chigurh
Date Posted: 12/29/2009 at 3:05am
Originally posted by debraj debraj wrote:

What surprises me most in that video is the other guy claims to be 2207 US rating !!!

 
+1. I'm sure the guy is nice, etc, so I mean no disrespect. However, a rating of 2207 seems high for someone who uses his backhand 70% of the time, even when the ball goes to his forehand side.
 
I guess he makes his style work for him, which is cool, but I would never have figured such a tactic could take someone to that high of a skill level rating.


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Posted By: DeathAngel
Date Posted: 12/29/2009 at 3:07am
Wow nice find.

Maybe its just the fact that he is playing a world champ that makes him look not like a 2207 player.

Who knows but it would be a blast for me LOL.


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Posted By: qynthnghm
Date Posted: 12/29/2009 at 3:37am
I guess this may sound real presumptuous but I don't even have a USATT rating and I'm sure I can beat that guy. Also, I have no idea how he convinced Schlager to play in his garage, but that is awesome. LOL to when he smacked the ball at Schlager's chest. If he's 2200 then I'm Ma Long.

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Posted By: debraj
Date Posted: 12/29/2009 at 3:48am
ouCH!! he is 2207    i checked his name in usatt rating.

i don't believe... either i am crazy or usatt gone nuts. i swear i can beat him if he plays the way he plays in this vid.

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Posted By: Jonan
Date Posted: 12/29/2009 at 3:55am
http://www.usatt.org/history/rating/history/index2.asp

The guy has been at around 2000 rating and above for a decade.

At the 2009 Joola National Team Championships he beat 12 players rated over 2000 including a 2219 and he beat a 2350 last year, so he could probably humiliate most of the people here with his odd style.


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Posted By: roundrobin
Date Posted: 12/29/2009 at 4:01am
Pushblocker is my friend. He's a solid 2150-2200 player who's beaten many good players to reach that level. Schlager is his close friend and was his classmate in high school back in Austria... Schlager visited Pushblocker's home in Florida right before going to his Killerspin tournament in Chicago.

So far I have seen many of Pushblocker's matches live against 2100-2200 level players and he more than held his own. Looks can be deceiving.   

One really has to earn his/her rating in the USATT system, there's no free lunch.   


Posted By: Speedplay
Date Posted: 12/29/2009 at 4:17am
People who have no clue about LP and how they works thinks this style is easy to beat, cause it surely looks that way, but my advice is, try to find a player with this style, with in your own level, and beat him/her first, then try out someone like Pushblocker.

It really isn't fair to judge his level by how he looks when he is playing Schlager, cause he could probably make most of us look like total beginners.

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Posted By: TBS9x
Date Posted: 12/29/2009 at 4:41am
I dont think this guy have good techniques and stuffs but he still managed to win because his odd style Dead I've played a guy like this, if you aren't familiar with you are so dead LOL I'm scared of the basement ping pong style... I would rather play a very good but orthodox player ^^ 

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Posted By: qynthnghm
Date Posted: 12/29/2009 at 4:46am
To be fair, I did watch his other matches on his Youtube channel and he does play that way. I'm not knocking his LP style, I'm just shocked that he made it that far with his lack of fundamentals. It's like when I saw a video of Dr. Neubauer beat a Chinese ex-champion using his anti-spin. Just standing there and blocking every loop, with little to no forehand, no footwork; what I call "The lazy defender."

However, I will retract my earlier statement, he most likely would beat me because I've only played against one LP user ever, but no one here can tell me that it's because he is more skillful or has better technique than me. It's more likely that my technique isn't developed enough or my lack of experience to overcome playing against LP's. I don't really place much importance on how high someone's rating is (again I don't even have a USATT rating myself). It is true in my experience that the players with the most unorthodox styles usually win.

I guess this has lead me to a few questions. What is a "good" TT player to you? Surely it must be more than simply ratings and matches won?

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Posted By: TT over Study
Date Posted: 12/29/2009 at 5:17am
Originally posted by debraj debraj wrote:

ouCH!! he is 2207    i checked his name in usatt rating.

i don't believe... either i am crazy or usatt gone nuts. i swear i can beat him if he plays the way he plays in this vid.
 
haha, whats your rating?


Posted By: kenneyy88
Date Posted: 12/29/2009 at 5:19am
It is not easy playing a good lp blocker. 

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Posted By: Boss1703
Date Posted: 12/29/2009 at 5:31am
watching vid is always easier than play...
 
maybe it will be more easy to play against schlager that playing against pushblocker.


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Posted By: ttCrawsaive
Date Posted: 12/29/2009 at 6:22am
What is werner schlager doing in somebody elses garage????
Even I didn't yet have Saive at home xD


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Posted By: Pushblocker
Date Posted: 12/29/2009 at 7:31am
Originally posted by BMonkey BMonkey wrote:

Wow, Werner was having a good ol time giving him all those chump serves. I can't believe that guy is 2200 and missed all those smashes over and over again. He must have been nervous to be faced down by the 2003 World Champion. I would have rubbed the ball in my sweat before serving so I could stand a chance Big%20smile
 
That's me in the video playing with Werner.. I'm ACTUALLY 2207 (actually 2215 after they correct a mistake at the Teams results.. There were 2 more players that I beat that they didn't add to my record)
 
http://www.usatt.org/history/rating/history/Tresult.asp?Tid=3532&Pid=20412&Blow=1 - http://www.usatt.org/history/rating/history/Tresult.asp?Tid=3532&Pid=20412&Blow=1
 
I had to attack against Werner as he will not make a mistake if I just push the ball back to him. I usually don't attack at all and I'm not good attacking.. I'm the 2nd highest rated non attacking long pips blocker in the country and the 6th highest rated long pips blocker including offensive blockers who use their forehand a lot. I have a very unique style that looks horrible but is pretty effective unless you play Werner Schlager.. The pips don't bother him at all. Werners brother Harald who also played National League in Austria was/is playing with long pips and Werner has no problems..  Check out my other videos against top players to see how I usually play.. My youtube ID is grandsportc3 and I have plenty of TT videos out there including a match against U21 Womens champion Natalie Sun and a game against mid 2500 rated Jennifer (Yue) Wu who got to beat He Ziwen last year at the teams..


Posted By: lild100
Date Posted: 12/29/2009 at 7:34am
Originally posted by debraj debraj wrote:

ouCH!! he is 2207    i checked his name in usatt rating.

i don't believe... either i am crazy or usatt gone nuts. i swear i can beat him if he plays the way he plays in this vid.
 
 
i just want to back the guy in this vid... fair play that he is ranked 2207 or whatever it is... when you play a player who is so much better then you.. its very difficult to play your own game... shclager is putting different spins every time and changing ball placement... he knows how to screw the guy over... however when this guy plays in america im sure he can damage a lot of good attackers due to weird spins from his block and his backhand kill..
 
i just want to say thanks for the fantastic upload from the guy... you can really see how these world classs players hit the ball different to us..
 
thanks.


Posted By: MildSeven
Date Posted: 12/29/2009 at 7:34am
I can see you eating heavily coached looping teenagers alive.

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Posted By: Pushblocker
Date Posted: 12/29/2009 at 7:34am
Originally posted by Anton Chigurh Anton Chigurh wrote:

Originally posted by debraj debraj wrote:

What surprises me most in that video is the other guy claims to be 2207 US rating !!!

 
+1. I'm sure the guy is nice, etc, so I mean no disrespect. However, a rating of 2207 seems high for someone who uses his backhand 70% of the time, even when the ball goes to his forehand side.
 
I guess he makes his style work for him, which is cool, but I would never have figured such a tactic could take someone to that high of a skill level rating.
 
I know, people think that I'm a 1700 player when they see me and then they make 2 points per game. The average sub 2000 player can not exploit my weaknesses like Werner can. I haven't lost to anyone below 1960 rating (in a tournament) since about 20+ tournaments..


Posted By: lild100
Date Posted: 12/29/2009 at 7:38am
Originally posted by Pushblocker Pushblocker wrote:

Originally posted by Anton Chigurh Anton Chigurh wrote:

Originally posted by debraj debraj wrote:

What surprises me most in that video is the other guy claims to be 2207 US rating !!!

 
+1. I'm sure the guy is nice, etc, so I mean no disrespect. However, a rating of 2207 seems high for someone who uses his backhand 70% of the time, even when the ball goes to his forehand side.
 
I guess he makes his style work for him, which is cool, but I would never have figured such a tactic could take someone to that high of a skill level rating.
 
I know, people think that I'm a 1700 player when they see me and then they make 2 points per game. The average sub 2000 player can not exploit my weaknesses like Werner can. I haven't lost to anyone below 1960 rating (in a tournament) since about 20+ tournaments..
 
im not surprised dude... i can see you would mess up a lot of players.. especially junioirs a ^^


Posted By: Pushblocker
Date Posted: 12/29/2009 at 7:39am
Originally posted by MildSeven MildSeven wrote:

I can see you eating heavily coached looping teenagers alive.
 
Against powerful loopers, my game is most effective. Look at Ben Bispham who is now over 2200 after the teams. I beat him 11:6 11:6 11:6.. This guy is really good but did not have any strategy against my game. Usually I'm the one controlling the table, making it impossible or very difficult for my opponents to exploit my weaknesses.. Werner knows exactly what my weaknesses are and he does not make mistake. I had to attack to make any points and I'm a HORRIBLE attacker..  Werner just does not make any mistakes, especially if he plays it slow and safe. So, the only way to score is to do something that I'm not good at doing.
 
I did lose to Gabriel Skolnick but only after John Mark Wetzler from his club came over to coach him.. I had him 2 : 0 at that point.. I also had 2 match points against a 2309 rated girl from Puerto Rico.. Should've won that match..


Posted By: Pushblocker
Date Posted: 12/29/2009 at 7:41am
Originally posted by lild100 lild100 wrote:

Originally posted by Pushblocker Pushblocker wrote:

Originally posted by Anton Chigurh Anton Chigurh wrote:

Originally posted by debraj debraj wrote:

What surprises me most in that video is the other guy claims to be 2207 US rating !!!

 
+1. I'm sure the guy is nice, etc, so I mean no disrespect. However, a rating of 2207 seems high for someone who uses his backhand 70% of the time, even when the ball goes to his forehand side.
 
I guess he makes his style work for him, which is cool, but I would never have figured such a tactic could take someone to that high of a skill level rating.
 
I know, people think that I'm a 1700 player when they see me and then they make 2 points per game. The average sub 2000 player can not exploit my weaknesses like Werner can. I haven't lost to anyone below 1960 rating (in a tournament) since about 20+ tournaments..
 
im not surprised dude... i can see you would mess up a lot of players.. especially junioirs a ^^

Well, I did beat some players that have/had been around for a while, including Napoleon "Rocky" Reyes at the 2001 Teams. This guy is really good and before I played him in 2001, he went 5 games with Cheng Yinghua and Sean O'Neill about a week earlier.. Also beat Santos Shih 3:0 and he has been around 2200 for a very long time..


Posted By: Pushblocker
Date Posted: 12/29/2009 at 7:46am
Originally posted by qynthnghm qynthnghm wrote:

I guess this may sound real presumptuous but I don't even have a USATT rating and I'm sure I can beat that guy. Also, I have no idea how he convinced Schlager to play in his garage, but that is awesome. LOL to when he smacked the ball at Schlager's chest. If he's 2200 then I'm Ma Long.
 
How are you doing, Ma Long!!


Posted By: Pushblocker
Date Posted: 12/29/2009 at 7:49am
Originally posted by debraj debraj wrote:

ouCH!! he is 2207    i checked his name in usatt rating.

i don't believe... either i am crazy or usatt gone nuts. i swear i can beat him if he plays the way he plays in this vid.
 
That's what they all think, even if they see me at the club for the first time.. I understand that I look like a 1700 player. Check my other videos to see other matches..


Posted By: Thylacine
Date Posted: 12/29/2009 at 7:52am
Originally posted by debraj debraj wrote:

ouCH!! he is 2207    i checked his name in usatt rating.

i don't believe... either i am crazy or usatt gone nuts. i swear i can beat him if he plays the way he plays in this vid.
Originally posted by qynthnghm qynthnghm wrote:

I guess this may sound real presumptuous but I don't even have a USATT rating and I'm sure I can beat that guy. Also, I have no idea how he convinced Schlager to play in his garage, but that is awesome. LOL to when he smacked the ball at Schlager's chest. If he's 2200 then I'm Ma Long.
  
 
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Posted By: Glenn
Date Posted: 12/29/2009 at 7:53am
Pushblocker just owned half of us, me included. No offence, but i really didn't think you were 2200. I didn't eliminate the possibility though, but I thought that if u were 2200 then u must have a very weird style to win, and i guess i was right lol.

Still, as long as you enjoy the game, don't bother how you look while playing it!


Posted By: Pushblocker
Date Posted: 12/29/2009 at 7:53am
Here's my rating chart (after cutting out my 5 inactive years.. I didn't have a racket in my hand from '03 to April '08.
 
 
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Posted By: Pushblocker
Date Posted: 12/29/2009 at 7:56am

Originally posted by Glenn Glenn wrote:

Pushblocker just owned half of us, me included. No offence, but i really didn't think you were 2200. I didn't eliminate the possibility though, but I thought that if u were 2200 then u must have a very weird style to win, and i guess i was right lol.

Still, as long as you enjoy the game, don't bother how you look while playing it!

If I'd worry how it looks when I'm playing, I would've quit long time ago.. I can guarantee you that most players wouldn't look too good against Werner, even if he plays it slow and safe.. You can try but he'll get everything back unless you whack the ball real hard..



Posted By: Glenn
Date Posted: 12/29/2009 at 7:58am
Originally posted by Pushblocker Pushblocker wrote:

Originally posted by Glenn Glenn wrote:

Pushblocker just owned half of us, me included. No offence, but i really didn't think you were 2200. I didn't eliminate the possibility though, but I thought that if u were 2200 then u must have a very weird style to win, and i guess i was right lol.

Still, as long as you enjoy the game, don't bother how you look while playing it!

If I'd worry how it looks when I'm playing, I would've quit long time ago.. I can guarantee you that most players wouldn't look too good against Werner, even if he plays it slow and safe.. You can try but he'll get everything back unless you whack the ball real hard..



To be honest, if i had the chance to play him, i would probably try the exact same tactic you had. WHACK IT MAN.

Goddamnit. I probably can't get a point otherwise. lol. Unless he gets careless and fumbles at my serve or something.

But i thought you could have whacked some with your forehand instead, thats all. Your style is unorthodox, but in no ways inferior as long as it suits you!


Posted By: Pushblocker
Date Posted: 12/29/2009 at 8:13am
Originally posted by Glenn Glenn wrote:

Originally posted by Pushblocker Pushblocker wrote:

Originally posted by Glenn Glenn wrote:

Pushblocker just owned half of us, me included. No offence, but i really didn't think you were 2200. I didn't eliminate the possibility though, but I thought that if u were 2200 then u must have a very weird style to win, and i guess i was right lol.

Still, as long as you enjoy the game, don't bother how you look while playing it!

If I'd worry how it looks when I'm playing, I would've quit long time ago.. I can guarantee you that most players wouldn't look too good against Werner, even if he plays it slow and safe.. You can try but he'll get everything back unless you whack the ball real hard..



To be honest, if i had the chance to play him, i would probably try the exact same tactic you had. WHACK IT MAN.

Goddamnit. I probably can't get a point otherwise. lol. Unless he gets careless and fumbles at my serve or something.

But i thought you could have whacked some with your forehand instead, thats all. Your style is unorthodox, but in no ways inferior as long as it suits you!
 
My problem with forehands is that I have a very backhand oriented stance and I'd have to step around 180 degrees to play forehand.  My backhand is my strength.. There's a player in California, the approx. 73 year old Peter Chen.. He is 73 years old and still 2180 rated. He has been over 2300 and all he does is to block penhold style with his long pips. He doesn't have a backhand like I don't have a forehand and he also plays at very high level at a very high age..


Posted By: kenneyy88
Date Posted: 12/29/2009 at 8:19am
Originally posted by Pushblocker Pushblocker wrote:

I'm the 2nd highest rated non attacking long pips blocker in the country and the 6th highest rated long pips blocker including offensive blockers who use their forehand a lot.


Who are the other 5 long pip blockers?
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Posted By: Pushblocker
Date Posted: 12/29/2009 at 8:34am
Originally posted by kenneyy88 kenneyy88 wrote:

Originally posted by Pushblocker Pushblocker wrote:

I'm the 2nd highest rated non attacking long pips blocker in the country and the 6th highest rated long pips blocker including offensive blockers who use their forehand a lot.


Who are the other 5 long pip blockers?
John Wetzler..., richard mcafee?,
 
Richard McAfee is one spot below me...
 
Here's the top 10 list
 
Sakda Timsuwan (2432)(WA) (looper who mixes in lp blocks)
Rob Van Lier (2397) (CA) (looper/attacker who mixes in lp blocks)
John Mark Wetzler (2386)(PA) (chop-blocker with a big forehand)
Li, Zhi-Ming (2306) (MI) (penhold long pips blocker)
Robert Shahnazari (2230)(CA) (pushblocker who attacks with the pips and also forehand)
Olivier Mader (2207)(FL) (non attacking pushblocker - backhand oriented)
Richard McAfee (2198)(CO) (allround long pips blocker/hitter/attacker)
Peter Chen (2180)(CA) (penhold long pips blocker)
William Lin (2143)(CA) (offensive long pips blocker and short pips hitter - twiddles)
 
Dickie Flieisher (approx. 2307) is not on the list as his game is mainly a long pips attacking and not blocking game. He does block but he usually attacks.. This list only includes players whose main stroke on the backhand is their push/block.. His style is basically a short pips style using medium pips..


Posted By: zrrbiteDK
Date Posted: 12/29/2009 at 8:53am
Originally posted by Pushblocker Pushblocker wrote:

Originally posted by kenneyy88 kenneyy88 wrote:

Originally posted by Pushblocker Pushblocker wrote:

I'm the 2nd highest rated non attacking long pips blocker in the country and the 6th highest rated long pips blocker including offensive blockers who use their forehand a lot.


Who are the other 5 long pip blockers?
John Wetzler..., richard mcafee?,
 
Richard McAfee is one spot below me...
 
Here's the top 10 list
 
Sakda Timsuwan (2432)(WA) (looper who mixes in lp blocks)
Rob Van Lier (2397) (CA) (looper/attacker who mixes in lp blocks)
John Mark Wetzler (2386)(PA) (chop-blocker with a big forehand)
Li, Zhi-Ming (2306) (MI) (penhold long pips blocker)
Robert Shahnazari (2230)(CA) (pushblocker who attacks with the pips and also forehand)
Olivier Mader (2207)(FL) (non attacking pushblocker - backhand oriented)
Richard McAfee (2198)(CO) (allround long pips blocker/hitter/attacker)
Peter Chen (2180)(CA) (penhold long pips blocker)
William Lin (2143)(CA) (offensive long pips blocker and short pips hitter - twiddles)
Mark Nordby (2137)(TX) (offensive style long pips blocker and attacker)
 
Dickie Flieisher (approx. 2307) is not on the list as his game is mainly a long pips attacking and not blocking game. He does block but he usually attacks.. This list only includes players whose main stroke on the backhand is their push/block.. His style is basically a short pips style using medium pips..


This just shows why tabletennis is such an awesome sport. The level of diversity the game offers can humble the best of players if they're not prepared for a particular style of play. Looks can indeed be deceiving! And you are so very very deceptive, Olivier! : )


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Posted By: TT over Study
Date Posted: 12/29/2009 at 9:14am
Originally posted by qynthnghm qynthnghm wrote:

However, I will retract my earlier statement, he most likely would beat me because I've only played against one LP user ever
 
ill go 1 step further and say he will definitely beat you


Posted By: bogeyhunter
Date Posted: 12/29/2009 at 9:27am
I don't want to get into "who is better?" or "rating war" but I can assure you guys that any player under 1900 can't even beat him in your dream.
 
He has a unique game that will destroy your timing/ what you have been training to do by his quick of-the-bounce dead ball. Wanna see how good he is? Don't watch the game VS Schlager, all of us will look bad against 2003 world champ.
Look at it this way, there are ways to be good TT players. Pblocker will force you to make too many mistakes to beat him and he will make very few mistakes.
 


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Posted By: Pushblocker
Date Posted: 12/29/2009 at 9:38am
Originally posted by bogeyhunter bogeyhunter wrote:

I don't want to get into "who is better?" or "rating war" but I can assure you guys that any player under 1900 can't even beat him in your dream.
 
He has a unique game that will destroy your timing/ what you have been training to do by his quick of-the-bounce dead ball. Wanna see how good he is? Don't watch the game VS Schlager, all of us will look bad against 2003 world champ.
Look at it this way, there are ways to be good TT players. Pblocker will force you to make too many mistakes to beat him and he will make very few mistakes.
 

As you specifically know, my style does have weaknesses.. I depend on opponents spin and use it against them.. When I play you, you won't give me spin with your pips and I make mistakes and create attackable balls.. You don't take chances that you don't need to.. However, players with 2 sides inverted will have a hard time giving me a spinless ball.. Once there's spin in the game, my strength comes in..



Posted By: silverhair
Date Posted: 12/29/2009 at 9:40am
Originally posted by debraj debraj wrote:

What surprises me most in that video is the other guy claims to be 2207 US rating !!!



Maybe he is a 2207 player in disguise.

We have a couple of players in our club that are close-in long pips choppers / blockers.  George Hendry is one of them.  Nobody knows for sure how many U.S. Open titles he holds, but the number is well over 20 including Open Championship.  He has holds a couple of Men's World Championships. 





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Posted By: pongcrazy
Date Posted: 12/29/2009 at 10:19am
My favorite part is at 1:52 when Werner gets blasted in the chest by a wild BH.......  He even says "Wooo"  Love the video!


Posted By: TBS9x
Date Posted: 12/29/2009 at 10:32am
Originally posted by Pushblocker Pushblocker wrote:

Originally posted by BMonkey BMonkey wrote:

Wow, Werner was having a good ol time giving him all those chump serves. I can't believe that guy is 2200 and missed all those smashes over and over again. He must have been nervous to be faced down by the 2003 World Champion. I would have rubbed the ball in my sweat before serving so I could stand a chance Big%20smile
 
That's me in the video playing with Werner.. I'm ACTUALLY 2207 (actually 2215 after they correct a mistake at the Teams results.. There were 2 more players that I beat that they didn't add to my record)
 
http://www.usatt.org/history/rating/history/Tresult.asp?Tid=3532&Pid=20412&Blow=1 - http://www.usatt.org/history/rating/history/Tresult.asp?Tid=3532&Pid=20412&Blow=1
 
I had to attack against Werner as he will not make a mistake if I just push the ball back to him. I usually don't attack at all and I'm not good attacking.. I'm the 2nd highest rated non attacking long pips blocker in the country and the 6th highest rated long pips blocker including offensive blockers who use their forehand a lot. I have a very unique style that looks horrible but is pretty effective unless you play Werner Schlager.. The pips don't bother him at all. Werners brother Harald who also played National League in Austria was/is playing with long pips and Werner has no problems..  Check out my other videos against top players to see how I usually play.. My youtube ID is grandsportc3 and I have plenty of TT videos out there including a match against U21 Womens champion Natalie Sun and a game against mid 2500 rated Jennifer (Yue) Wu who got to beat He Ziwen last year at the teams..


Hehe, I would want to have Schlager or Joo to be my high school friend Tongue After I watch your vid against Schlager and against other 2000+ USATT players, I can see your weakness now. Of course Schlager is much much better than the other players so you lost thats normal. But you seem to be vulnerable to long no spin serves + you are also vulnerable against hard loop not slow spinny loops. The last thing is that they can win you by attacking both sides since your footwork is pretty bad ( no offence but just being honest ) and you dont have fh strokes so ye... you should practice a fh stroke Wink


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Posted By: Thylacine
Date Posted: 12/29/2009 at 10:41am
 Many beginners here think that in order to be a good player you should be playing with Amultart and Tenergy. LOL
 Later on comes the first painful lesson by a pushblocker or chop smasher.


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Posted By: Pushblocker
Date Posted: 12/29/2009 at 10:50am
Originally posted by TBS9x TBS9x wrote:



Hehe, I would want to have Schlager or Joo to be my high school friend Tongue After I watch your vid against Schlager and against other 2000+ USATT players, I can see your weakness now. Of course Schlager is much much better than the other players so you lost thats normal. But you seem to be vulnerable to long no spin serves + you are also vulnerable against hard loop not slow spinny loops. The last thing is that they can win you by attacking both sides since your footwork is pretty bad ( no offence but just being honest ) and you dont have fh strokes so ye... you should practice a fh stroke Wink
 
Many players KNOW what to do against my style but can't execute it. Try serving fast and spinless with a grippy inverted rubber.. I can guarantee you that most sub 2100 players will not be able to produce a fast, spinless serve.. Sure, they can give me low spin but only very few players will be able to execute such serve successfully. My placement on my return is also often pretty good.. I usually catch most opponents at their weaker side when returning serves. As for my footwork.. What footwork???
The problem with my forehand is that I'm in a very backhand oriented position and I'd have to turn 180 degrees to play forehand.. I can rally in warm up for a very long time on the forehand and even power-loop but my lack of footwork and my extreme backhand position make it difficult to play forehand.


Posted By: LOOPMEISTER
Date Posted: 12/29/2009 at 10:56am
Awesome video! Werner wasn't trying very hard, but some of those lazy bh attack shots were deadly anyway.

People who don't think Pushblocker is the rating he claims have never played a good LP/anti blocker. Those kinds of players are my #1 nemesis. LOOPMEISTER doesn't like LP/anti blockers! And at my level there are many of them. I can't get enough practice against them, so I actually bought a defensive blade with LP's to loan to people to practice against. (That, and for me to practice chopping for fun.)



Posted By: lildudejds
Date Posted: 12/29/2009 at 11:04am
Guess I'll throw in my thoughts.

I've been competing now for a couple years and have learned a few vital things. Just because somebody can't go out with their buddy and have fun doing counter loop rallies doesn't mean they aren't good.

I'll be the first to say, Olivier would have no problems beating me. He feasts on styles like mine for breakfast, and dinner, probably lunch too.

Those of you that think he looks like a 1500, will be in for a huge surprise when you play somebody with a style like his.

See, with his style, he wins his points by getting you to mess up. Obviously, Werner Schlager doesn't mess up, so he had to try those wild smashing attacks. But to us mortals, we make many mistakes, and against pushblocker, most of us would probably make 11 mistakes before we make 11 good points. Game, Set, Match.



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Posted By: LobbedYoud0wn
Date Posted: 12/29/2009 at 11:08am
Originally posted by Thylacine Thylacine wrote:

 Many beginners here think that in order to be a good player you should be playing with Amultart and Tenergy. LOL
 Later on comes the first painful lesson by a pushblocker or chop smasher.
 
so true Clap


Posted By: JimT
Date Posted: 12/29/2009 at 11:13am
Originally posted by Pushblocker Pushblocker wrote:

Originally posted by BMonkey BMonkey wrote:

Wow, Werner was having a good ol time giving him all those chump serves. I can't believe that guy is 2200 and missed all those smashes over and over again. He must have been nervous to be faced down by the 2003 World Champion. I would have rubbed the ball in my sweat before serving so I could stand a chance Big%20smile
 
That's me in the video playing with Werner.. I'm ACTUALLY 2207 (actually 2215 after they correct a mistake at the Teams results.. There were 2 more players that I beat that they didn't add to my record)
 
http://www.usatt.org/history/rating/history/Tresult.asp?Tid=3532&Pid=20412&Blow=1 - http://www.usatt.org/history/rating/history/Tresult.asp?Tid=3532&Pid=20412&Blow=1
 
I had to attack against Werner as he will not make a mistake if I just push the ball back to him. I usually don't attack at all and I'm not good attacking.. I'm the 2nd highest rated non attacking long pips blocker in the country and the 6th highest rated long pips blocker including offensive blockers who use their forehand a lot. I have a very unique style that looks horrible but is pretty effective unless you play Werner Schlager.. The pips don't bother him at all. Werners brother Harald who also played National League in Austria was/is playing with long pips and Werner has no problems..  Check out my other videos against top players to see how I usually play.. My youtube ID is grandsportc3 and I have plenty of TT videos out there including a match against U21 Womens champion Natalie Sun and a game against mid 2500 rated Jennifer (Yue) Wu who got to beat He Ziwen last year at the teams..


It is a well known fact that video adds 10 pounds Wink

It is also a well-known (at least to me) fact that TT video cannot give you a fair understanding of what the guy's rating is. I myself have filmed my matches on more than one occasion and when I watch them afterwards I want to puke... and during the game I thought I played pretty good and moved around like a ballerina... you know?

Not to mention that style of play and quality of one's play depend heavily on the other player - his level, his style etc. You ever watched two LP defenders playing each other? you would think they came into the hall right from their basement and they probably have USATT rating below 1300... and then they play someone above 2000 and beat him. And not just because he didn't know how to play LP blockers (although that is a rather common happenstance), but because when playing against higher level attackers, these guys immediately raise their game.

Olivier, don't listen to the people who think they can beat you from watching your video. Good luck, and thanks for the clip!


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Posted By: JimT
Date Posted: 12/29/2009 at 11:16am
Originally posted by lildudejds lildudejds wrote:


See, with his style, he wins his points by getting you to mess up. Obviously, Werner Schlager doesn't mess up, so he had to try those wild smashing attacks. But to us mortals, we make many mistakes, and against pushblocker, most of us would probably make 11 mistakes before we make 11 good points. Game, Set, Match.


People asked on the forums many times - "how do I play against LP blockers or defenders? What is the main secret"

The main secret is patience

I mean... unless you are a very high-level attacker who doesn't have a problem with heavy deceptive spin coming back at you from the other guy's pips. But if that's the case, whyt he heck are you asking the question? Wink


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Posted By: Pushblocker
Date Posted: 12/29/2009 at 11:26am
Originally posted by JimT JimT wrote:


The main secret is patience
 
That's indeed the best strategy..   Be patient and pick your shots and if you take a shot, make sure that I don't get it back because once it comes back, I'm in the game..


Posted By: BMonkey
Date Posted: 12/29/2009 at 11:30am
Originally posted by JimT JimT wrote:


Olivier, don't listen to the people who think they can beat you from watching your video. Good luck, and thanks for the clip!
I hope you don't think I was saying I could beat him because I don't believe I could, but I like to wear metal shirts when I play too so maybe he'd get jealous of my sweet Slayer shirts and mess up Tongue


Posted By: Pushblocker
Date Posted: 12/29/2009 at 11:38am
Originally posted by BMonkey BMonkey wrote:

Originally posted by JimT JimT wrote:


Olivier, don't listen to the people who think they can beat you from watching your video. Good luck, and thanks for the clip!
I hope you don't think I was saying I could beat him because I don't believe I could, but I like to wear metal shirts when I play too so maybe he'd get jealous of my sweet Slayer shirts and mess up Tongue
 
My Megadeth shirt is my favorite TT shirt.. Scares my opponents LOL
 
Didn't work with Werner though!


Posted By: Recanter
Date Posted: 12/29/2009 at 11:40am
Just a couple of posers trying to look like pros :P
 
Serious though, how lucky to play with Schlager!!!
 /envy!


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Posted By: tpgh2k
Date Posted: 12/29/2009 at 11:41am
this is exactly why i lost to bob bowlander =( i tried to keep the spin down but i was wayyy too inconsistent to do anything about it. maybe now i can do a lil bit better!

@push: when you come to GA let me know!! i'd love to try to hit with you and see if you can handle my spin...if you can then i'm out of luck. either way it'll be fun to try some new tactics and see how it goes!! =D


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Posted By: JimT
Date Posted: 12/29/2009 at 11:45am
Originally posted by Pushblocker Pushblocker wrote:

Originally posted by JimT JimT wrote:


The main secret is patience
 
That's indeed the best strategy..   Be patient and pick your shots and if you take a shot, make sure that I don't get it back because once it comes back, I'm in the game..


Exactly! Listen to Olivier - he is giving away his secrets! Wink

Basically, you need to mix attack with short game, in order to jerk the defender around, trying to trip him up. I have seen many a young guys who would wipe the floor with the likes of me, because they have superb power topspin game, and they would lose very quickly to LP players with ratings close to mine because after the first or second LP block or chop their next loop would go into the net, and then they throw their hands in the air and go "oh this is not right! what's going on?"

What amazes me is that these guys - and some of them are adult enough to know better - often make no attempt to adjust their game and make quick changes and conclusions from what is happening. They keep on playing the same game which they just saw didn't present any problem for the LP guy...

Olivier says he almost never attacks and that is probably one of his main weaknesses - because if you are patient you can slowly set up your winning shot without being afraid that your opponent suddenly interrupts the rally and attacks you. Much more dangerous are the LP players who also have some attacking capabilities - usually on their FH - because with them you also have to be always on the lookout for their own attack. Then it becomes very difficult to wait for your winning shot while at the same time not giving them an opportunity to attack.


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Posted By: Pushblocker
Date Posted: 12/29/2009 at 11:59am
Originally posted by tpgh2k tpgh2k wrote:

this is exactly why i lost to bob bowlander =( i tried to keep the spin down but i was wayyy too inconsistent to do anything about it. maybe now i can do a lil bit better!

@push: when you come to GA let me know!! i'd love to try to hit with you and see if you can handle my spin...if you can then i'm out of luck. either way it'll be fun to try some new tactics and see how it goes!! =D
 
I don't know if I'll make it to Georgia in the near future.. I only played one player from Georgia recently and it was Ethan Jin, a junior who is now over 2200. He was 2129 when I played him and I beat him 3:0..
If you ever come to the Tampa or Orlando area, I'll also play with you.. Would be interesting..
Maybe we will meet at a tournament.. My tournament schedule for this year might include the Cary Cup in NC, the NYC Open, San Diego Open or any other West Coast 4 star event, the US Open Warmup in Coral Springs, the Florida State Closed, the NA Team Championship and maybe the Nationals next year..  It all depends on my work and vacation schedule..
Bob Bowlander is 500 rating points below me, so if you lose to him, you might have problems with my game...


Posted By: Pushblocker
Date Posted: 12/29/2009 at 12:06pm
Originally posted by JimT JimT wrote:

Originally posted by Pushblocker Pushblocker wrote:

Originally posted by JimT JimT wrote:


The main secret is patience
 
That's indeed the best strategy..   Be patient and pick your shots and if you take a shot, make sure that I don't get it back because once it comes back, I'm in the game..


Exactly! Listen to Olivier - he is giving away his secrets! Wink

Basically, you need to mix attack with short game, in order to jerk the defender around, trying to trip him up. I have seen many a young guys who would wipe the floor with the likes of me, because they have superb power topspin game, and they would lose very quickly to LP players with ratings close to mine because after the first or second LP block or chop their next loop would go into the net, and then they throw their hands in the air and go "oh this is not right! what's going on?"

What amazes me is that these guys - and some of them are adult enough to know better - often make no attempt to adjust their game and make quick changes and conclusions from what is happening. They keep on playing the same game which they just saw didn't present any problem for the LP guy...

Olivier says he almost never attacks and that is probably one of his main weaknesses - because if you are patient you can slowly set up your winning shot without being afraid that your opponent suddenly interrupts the rally and attacks you. Much more dangerous are the LP players who also have some attacking capabilities - usually on their FH - because with them you also have to be always on the lookout for their own attack. Then it becomes very difficult to wait for your winning shot while at the same time not giving them an opportunity to attack.
 
Again, it's easy to talk about the strategy but for many players, it's difficult to execute it.. Played against a player with excellent strategy at the Teams (one of the 2 results that are missing). The player did the right thing and played it safe, waiting for the right shot.. However, he played it too safe and I made about 8 points per game attacking. If the opponent plays it slow enough, I will attack as I will have to get in position for my attacks and I'll kill the ball.. I smack the ball so hard that once I attack, the ball hardly ever comes back. I do know on how to attack BUT my problem is to get myself in position to be able to successfully attack. One of the most diffuclt players for me to play against is Larry Bavly who currently hit his lowest rating in 2 decades or so.. He is usually around 2200 but just dropped into the mid 2000's.. He slow spins every shot from both sides with insane consistency.. He doesn't make mistakes and all I can do is to get the ball back on the table and once my block gets too high, he kills it..  He beats just about every long pips blocker..


Posted By: JimT
Date Posted: 12/29/2009 at 12:12pm
Agreed - it is not enough to formulate the strategy, you need to have the chops to properly execute it. There are for instance 1600-level players who mentally understand what needs to be done when playing a 2100-level LP chopper but simply cannot do that due to lack of skill.

And since you, my friend, do attack on occasion, that only makes you more dangerous! Clap

As for Larry - I played him a few times (he is a fellow Massachusettsian... is that a word?), and he is very very consistent. He should be - he has been playing like this for more than 30 years by now.

The last time I played him at an official tournament I was in the zone and I was up 10-7 in the fourth (up 2-1 in sets) and then managed to lose. He has been slipping a bit lately...


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Posted By: Pushblocker
Date Posted: 12/29/2009 at 12:15pm
Originally posted by JimT JimT wrote:

Agreed - it is not enough to formulate the strategy, you need to have the chops to properly execute it. There are for instance 1600-level players who mentally understand what needs to be done when playing a 2100-level LP chopper but simply cannot do that due to lack of skill.

And since you, my friend, do attack on occasion, that only makes you more dangerous! Clap

As for Larry - I played him a few times (he is a fellow Massachusettsian... is that a word?), and he is very very consistent. He should be - he has been playing like this for more than 30 years by now.

The last time I played him at an official tournament I was in the zone and I was up 10-7 in the fourth (up 2-1 in sets) and then managed to lose. He has been slipping a bit lately...
Larry is going up and down.. He got into 2200's a little earlier this year but dropped again to his lowest level.. He used to be 2400 and still has the 2400 strokes but his athleticism due to his weight is not what it used to be.. He likes to eat.. and so do I.. I also should be 30 lbs lighter...


Posted By: pongcrazy
Date Posted: 12/29/2009 at 12:29pm
What setup was Werner using when playing in the garage?


Posted By: Pushblocker
Date Posted: 12/29/2009 at 12:40pm
Originally posted by pongcrazy pongcrazy wrote:

What setup was Werner using when playing in the garage?
 
Schlager Carbon blade (with thinner inner ply like the Primorac Carbon) and Tenergy 05 on both sides..


Posted By: melarimsa
Date Posted: 12/29/2009 at 12:42pm
Originally posted by pongcrazy pongcrazy wrote:

What setup was Werner using when playing in the garage?
Halex from Dick's Sporting goods :)


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Posted By: Pushblocker
Date Posted: 12/29/2009 at 12:46pm
Originally posted by melarimsa melarimsa wrote:

Originally posted by pongcrazy pongcrazy wrote:

What setup was Werner using when playing in the garage?
Halex from Dick's Sporting goods :)
 
Don't forget, Werner is sponsored by Butterfly.. So, whenever he uses a pre-made paddle, he'll use this one LOL
 
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Posted By: figgie
Date Posted: 12/29/2009 at 12:59pm
fascinating
 
world class player against 2300 player is like watching a 2000+ player v a basement player.
 
I always wondered how that would look... and here we are.
 
 
 
 


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Posted By: silverhair
Date Posted: 12/29/2009 at 1:35pm
Originally posted by melarimsa melarimsa wrote:

Originally posted by pongcrazy pongcrazy wrote:

What setup was Werner using when playing in the garage?
Halex from Dick's Sporting goods :)


Certainly a Halex.  But with Tenergy 05 of both sides.  LOL  LOL




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Posted By: 7plywood
Date Posted: 12/29/2009 at 3:46pm
Long pips players are the ones being able to generate the biggest upsets. Assuming quite passive LP style, it all boils down to opponents capability of reading spin of a ball coming from the pips correctly. If the opponent has little or no practice against long pips he may loose to LP player ranked much lower - the opposite is also true: player with lots of practice against long pips may be able to win with a junk rubber player who is rated much higher. Practice is what counts - theory is not enough since you need to break habits.
The ranking of a LP player is determined (in big part) by the familiarity of the style to his opponents. This familiarity is very low even at the high-amateur US level. The higher the rating goes the familiarity becomes much greater and all weaknesses of a LP player are being exploited.


Posted By: TBS9x
Date Posted: 12/29/2009 at 4:05pm
Originally posted by Pushblocker Pushblocker wrote:

Originally posted by TBS9x TBS9x wrote:



Hehe, I would want to have Schlager or Joo to be my high school friend Tongue After I watch your vid against Schlager and against other 2000+ USATT players, I can see your weakness now. Of course Schlager is much much better than the other players so you lost thats normal. But you seem to be vulnerable to long no spin serves + you are also vulnerable against hard loop not slow spinny loops. The last thing is that they can win you by attacking both sides since your footwork is pretty bad ( no offence but just being honest ) and you dont have fh strokes so ye... you should practice a fh stroke Wink
 
Many players KNOW what to do against my style but can't execute it. Try serving fast and spinless with a grippy inverted rubber.. I can guarantee you that most sub 2100 players will not be able to produce a fast, spinless serve.. Sure, they can give me low spin but only very few players will be able to execute such serve successfully. My placement on my return is also often pretty good.. I usually catch most opponents at their weaker side when returning serves. As for my footwork.. What footwork???
The problem with my forehand is that I'm in a very backhand oriented position and I'd have to turn 180 degrees to play forehand.. I can rally in warm up for a very long time on the forehand and even power-loop but my lack of footwork and my extreme backhand position make it difficult to play forehand.


That is very true. I think most players even young players like me who play not only for fun will know that when playing against pip players, you shouldn't serve with lot of spin, serve long no spin and smash,etc. But when you have to actually do it, it's hard. To win a LP blocker/chopper ( chopper is a littler harder I think if it's some one like Joo Se Hyuk => even Schlager himself lost against Joo few months ago ), you need to practice a lot against that type of player, theory is an important part but practice is even more important.
@Pushblocker: I dont know how USATT ratings work and you deserve your ratings or not but I'm sure that if I play against you I will have a big chance to lose and most others will also suffer like me LOL This is one odd style Wink


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Posted By: le xex
Date Posted: 12/29/2009 at 4:31pm
@pushblocker: if you were to play with inverted both sides what would you estimate your rating to be?


Posted By: roundrobin
Date Posted: 12/29/2009 at 4:54pm
@pushblocker: if you were to play with inverted both sides what would you estimate your rating to be?



I think he will be around 500...  Big%20smile

But then, that's not a fair question, is it?  No one is not required to master inverted rubber play before learning how to block with long pips...  What will your rating be if you were to use Pushblocker's equipment?   LOL


Posted By: ZingyDNA
Date Posted: 12/29/2009 at 5:01pm
Originally posted by Pushblocker Pushblocker wrote:

 
Again, it's easy to talk about the strategy but for many players, it's difficult to execute it.. Played against a player with excellent strategy at the Teams (one of the 2 results that are missing). The player did the right thing and played it safe, waiting for the right shot.. However, he played it too safe and I made about 8 points per game attacking. If the opponent plays it slow enough, I will attack as I will have to get in position for my attacks and I'll kill the ball.. I smack the ball so hard that once I attack, the ball hardly ever comes back.


This is very interesting. I see your videos are all against high-rated attackers. Do you have any videos of you playing defenders?


Posted By: Speedplay
Date Posted: 12/29/2009 at 6:15pm
Originally posted by roundrobin roundrobin wrote:



   @pushblocker: if you were to play with inverted both sides what would you estimate your rating to be?
I think he will be around 500...  Big%20smileBut then, that's not a fair question, is it?  No one is not required to master inverted rubber play before learning how to block with long pips...  What will your rating be if you were to use Pushblocker's equipment?   LOL


Good answer Roundrobin

A guy who have dedicated his entire game to master the LP block will probably not be very good with inverted rubbers.

A funny thing about this style is the upsets it can cause, because this style can beat players who are rated way higher, but they can also lose to lower rated players who actually knows how to deal with this style. Also, when playing against players who knows how to play against this style, it is really hard for the blocker to look good, while a looper can be eaten alive, but still look good against a better looper.

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Posted By: stepheN
Date Posted: 12/29/2009 at 8:26pm
funny to see a worldclass player playing in a garage, schlager seems to be a very grounded person.

what leagues did you play back in austria (plus a compare to germany if possible) ?

arent long pips that much used in the US?


Posted By: Rich215
Date Posted: 12/29/2009 at 8:50pm
Cool.......makes me want to delve into the dark side......just for a taste!  haaa   I would like to try some LP's and block like that......

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Posted By: Pushblocker
Date Posted: 12/29/2009 at 9:33pm
Originally posted by TBS9x TBS9x wrote:


@Pushblocker: I dont know how USATT ratings work and you deserve your ratings or not but I'm sure that if I play against you I will have a big chance to lose and most others will also suffer like me LOL This is one odd style Wink
USATT ratings are based on your record against other players.. If you beat someone much higher rated than you, you'll win a lot of points and the opponent loses a lot.. If you beat someone near your rating, you'll gain a few points and if you lose, you lose a few.. It's not 100% accurate but you get some idea of somebody's level. If you are more familiar with for example the german league system.. German Landesliga/Verbandsliga players are usually in the 2100 - 2200 range..  (at least those german Landesliga players with a USATT rating), Oberliga is about 2200 - 2500+, Regionalliga is about 2350 - 2700, 2. Bundesliga is about 2550 -  2800 and 1. Bundesliga is about 2600 - 2900 level.. The Landesliga/Verbandslige level depends a lot of the german state.. Sure, there are sometimes players of better level or weaker level but the average Landesliga player in germany usually acquires a 2100 rating when playing in the US.. I don't know any Landesliga player with a rating much higher than 2200 (which doesn't mean that there is none)


Posted By: Pushblocker
Date Posted: 12/29/2009 at 9:36pm
Originally posted by le xex le xex wrote:

@pushblocker: if you were to play with inverted both sides what would you estimate your rating to be?
The best player that I've ever beaten with both sides inverted was about 1800 and I only won because of my serves..  The highest rating that I could probably compete at with inverted would probably average in the 1600's.. It really doesn't matter what level I'd play with inverted as my playing style is not set up for inverted.. What would your level be if you'd use anti on both sides? Where would  Wang Hao be if he'd play long pips on both sides?? I'm sure that he wouldn't even be in the top 100 in the world but he is #1 with his rubbers.. There are appropriate rubbers for each style.


Posted By: Pushblocker
Date Posted: 12/29/2009 at 9:38pm
Originally posted by ZingyDNA ZingyDNA wrote:

Originally posted by Pushblocker Pushblocker wrote:

 
Again, it's easy to talk about the strategy but for many players, it's difficult to execute it.. Played against a player with excellent strategy at the Teams (one of the 2 results that are missing). The player did the right thing and played it safe, waiting for the right shot.. However, he played it too safe and I made about 8 points per game attacking. If the opponent plays it slow enough, I will attack as I will have to get in position for my attacks and I'll kill the ball.. I smack the ball so hard that once I attack, the ball hardly ever comes back.


This is very interesting. I see your videos are all against high-rated attackers. Do you have any videos of you playing defenders?
Check the video against Bogeyhunter.. He beat me 3:1.. Attacking choppers give my trouble.. However,  I usualy beat classic defenders.. Beat a 2130 rated chopper this year at the US Open Warm Up tournament in June (Elman Concepcion).. However, I've lost 3 times against Werner Stollenmeier who plays classical defense but he usually beats me attacking.. If he chops and pushes, I win..


Posted By: Pushblocker
Date Posted: 12/29/2009 at 9:43pm
Originally posted by stepheN stepheN wrote:

funny to see a worldclass player playing in a garage, schlager seems to be a very grounded person.

what leagues did you play back in austria (plus a compare to germany if possible) ?

arent long pips that much used in the US?
I used to play 3. Klasse (4th highest league in Vienna of 17 leagues). When I came to the US, my initial rating was 1881.. So, I'd say that 1800's is about the same as 3. Klasse in Vienna.  Since then, I improved my game and strategy a lot and I'm now rated in the 2200's, which is about 3 - 4 classes higher, so I should be either a weaker Landesliga player or a strong 1. Klasse player in Vienna..
In germany, my level should be a solid Landesliga player in most states.. I'm sure that in some of the stronger states, I might be somewhere at the bottom if I'd play Landesliga..
Fact is that just about all Landesliga players with a USATT rating are rated in the 2100's. The latest player who played a tournament in the US was Christoph Haeusler who is a solid Landesliga player in Germany and he has a low 2100 rating..
My current rating puts me in the top 3.5% of all players in the country..
 
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Posted By: Pushblocker
Date Posted: 12/29/2009 at 9:47pm
Originally posted by Rich215 Rich215 wrote:

Cool.......makes me want to delve into the dark side......just for a taste!  haaa   I would like to try some LP's and block like that......

Thanks for sharring!    Let me know when you drain your indoor pool...Id love to skate it before you fill it in!

Indoor pool is drained but not filled yet.. Haven't made up my mind if I'll fill it in or fix it.. Whenever I get the estimate on how much to fix it, I'll decide what I'll do..


Posted By: Swiff
Date Posted: 12/29/2009 at 10:04pm
Seeing Schlager play in that garage is like seeing a dog walk on it's hind legs. lol

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Posted By: bogeyhunter
Date Posted: 12/29/2009 at 10:41pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z83gvo6iG3o - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z83gvo6iG3o

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Posted By: Jonan
Date Posted: 12/29/2009 at 11:01pm
Originally posted by bogeyhunter bogeyhunter wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z83gvo6iG3o - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z83gvo6iG3o


I have to say after watching that vid, those forehand serves look pretty blatantly under arm there. Looking from both sides of the table him serving, 95% sure it was hidden there.


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Posted By: Swiff
Date Posted: 12/29/2009 at 11:31pm
Originally posted by bogeyhunter bogeyhunter wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z83gvo6iG3o - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z83gvo6iG3o


Wow!  Play THAT guy must get monotonous.


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Posted By: Rich215
Date Posted: 12/29/2009 at 11:33pm
Originally posted by Pushblocker Pushblocker wrote:

Originally posted by Rich215 Rich215 wrote:

Cool.......makes me want to delve into the dark side......just for a taste!  haaa   I would like to try some LP's and block like that......

Thanks for sharring!    Let me know when you drain your indoor pool...Id love to skate it before you fill it in!

Indoor pool is drained but not filled yet.. Haven't made up my mind if I'll fill it in or fix it.. Whenever I get the estimate on how much to fix it, I'll decide what I'll do..


Can you show a pic of it ....deep end curves area at bottom...and close up of the coping would be nice.   If local vert skaters saw that thing...they would be over there right now..haaaaa   




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Posted By: naijachief
Date Posted: 12/29/2009 at 11:53pm
Originally posted by TT over Study TT over Study wrote:

Originally posted by qynthnghm qynthnghm wrote:

However, I will retract my earlier statement, he most likely would beat me because I've only played against one LP user ever
 
ill go 1 step further and say he will definitely beat you
 
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Posted By: qynthnghm
Date Posted: 12/29/2009 at 11:57pm
Originally posted by TT over Study TT over Study wrote:

Originally posted by qynthnghm qynthnghm wrote:

However, I will retract my earlier statement, he most likely would beat me because I've only played against one LP user ever


 

ill go 1 step further and say he will definitely beat you


Ha, you're hype.

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Posted By: silverhair
Date Posted: 12/30/2009 at 12:18am
Originally posted by qynthnghm qynthnghm wrote:

Originally posted by TT over Study TT over Study wrote:

Originally posted by qynthnghm qynthnghm wrote:

However, I will retract my earlier statement, he most likely would beat me because I've only played against one LP user ever


 

ill go 1 step further and say he will definitely beat you


Ha, you're hype.


If pushblocker is an over 2200 player and you haven't played his specific kind of long pips defense, he probably has the edge in a match.  It's only when a player has an opportunity to play against a specific player a few times do the vulnerabilities and how to exploit them.  




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Posted By: qynthnghm
Date Posted: 12/30/2009 at 12:23am
Originally posted by silverhair silverhair wrote:


Originally posted by qynthnghm qynthnghm wrote:

Originally posted by TT over Study TT over Study wrote:

Originally posted by qynthnghm qynthnghm wrote:

However, I will retract my earlier statement, he most likely would beat me because I've only played against one LP user ever


 

ill go 1 step further and say he will definitely beat you


Ha, you're hype.
If pushblocker is an over 2200 player and you haven't played his specific kind of long pips defense, he probably has the edge in a match.  It's only when a player has an opportunity to play against a specific player a few times do the vulnerabilities and how to exploit them.  


You're absolutely right, Silverhair. And I have already acknowledged my disadvantage in a previous post. TT over Study was just yanking my chain, that or antagonizing me.

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Posted By: silverhair
Date Posted: 12/30/2009 at 12:26am
Originally posted by qynthnghm qynthnghm wrote:

Originally posted by silverhair silverhair wrote:


Originally posted by qynthnghm qynthnghm wrote:

Originally posted by TT over Study TT over Study wrote:

Originally posted by qynthnghm qynthnghm wrote:

However, I will retract my earlier statement, he most likely would beat me because I've only played against one LP user ever


 

ill go 1 step further and say he will definitely beat you


Ha, you're hype.
If pushblocker is an over 2200 player and you haven't played his specific kind of long pips defense, he probably has the edge in a match.  It's only when a player has an opportunity to play against a specific player a few times do the vulnerabilities and how to exploit them.  


You're absolutely right, Silverhair. And I have already acknowledged my disadvantage in a previous post. TT over Study was just yanking my chain, that or antagonizing me.


Oh nobody EVER does that on THIS forum!   LOL  LOL  LOL 

I make it a point to play against long pips from time to time just to make sure I think during a point.  I suggest that you find one just to help sharpen your skills against that kind of hardware. 





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Posted By: Mdman
Date Posted: 12/30/2009 at 12:28am
Thanks a lot, this is a great video. Anything from Schlager is good, he is the best one, the smartest player and his style is so unique.
Thanks again


Posted By: qynthnghm
Date Posted: 12/30/2009 at 12:35am
Originally posted by silverhair silverhair wrote:


Oh nobody EVER does that on THIS forum!   LOL  LOL  LOL  I make it a point to play against long pips from time to time just to make sure I think during a point.  I suggest that you find one just to help sharpen your skills against that kind of hardware. 


Mmhmm. I have a friend who plays modern defensive and often experiments with all kinds of LP's and SP's on his backhand. Out of all the friends that I play, I find that his style gives me the most trouble. I suppose it's a positive thing since it forces me to change strategies. Playing blockers can be frustrating, I used to be one myself. One-sided Cpen with 802-40. But I was tired of giving dead balls and not to mention cracking them as well, and switched to inverted because I wanted to enjoy the game more by trying to keep it in play longer.

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Posted By: dragon kid
Date Posted: 12/30/2009 at 12:41am
Schlager is a former world champ, that would put him somewhere around 2700 usatt (correct me if i'm wrong)..
so it's a 500 rating point difference there. Now think of you rating than imagine you were playing someone that is solid 500 rating points higher than you.. then you'll get the picture..


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Posted By: Jonan
Date Posted: 12/30/2009 at 12:50am
Originally posted by dragon kid dragon kid wrote:

Schlager is a former world champ, that would put him somewhere around 2700 usatt..


2700? Yeah freakin-a right. His rating central rating is 2957. Lupulesku, who has played a lot internationally, is rated 2714 on there and 2780 on USATT ratings. Eric Owens is a 2604 on Rating Central and a 2591 in USATT. Schlager would be a hell of a lot higher rated than 2700. Infact he does have a USATT rating leftover from the pro tours and it's 2840, which is within a few points of the ratings they gave, in 2004, to Waldner, Samsanov, etc. Ryu's is 2800 something. But their ratings are scewed because on our system, since we don't have really high level players, they can't just come in and in 3 or 4 US Open's, get a rating that's realistic for them, because most foreign pros don't have a rating and the US players only go up so high, so they can only be rated as high as the people who commonly play in the USATT tournament, which only go up to around 2700-2800 at the tops, so thats the highest possible cap really.


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Posted By: 7plywood
Date Posted: 12/30/2009 at 12:53am
Originally posted by dragon kid dragon kid wrote:

Schlager is a former world champ, that would put him somewhere around 2700 usatt (correct me if i'm wrong)..

Since Ilija Lupulesku is 2780 USATT (I just looked it up) and I can't imagine Schlager loosing a single game to him, there must be at least 200 point difference between Ilija and Werner. That would put Schlager probably above 3000 USATT level.


Posted By: dragon kid
Date Posted: 12/30/2009 at 1:04am
Seee... LOL
now instead of 500, imagine 800 rating points.. so if you are, say 1600, imagine you were playing a 2400 solid usatt player.. the higher the rating, the harder it getss..
see the picture now? Wink


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Posted By: silverhair
Date Posted: 12/30/2009 at 1:11am

Originally posted by qynthnghm qynthnghm wrote:

Originally posted by silverhair silverhair wrote:


Oh nobody EVER does that on THIS forum!   LOL  LOL  LOL  I make it a point to play against long pips from time to time just to make sure I think during a point.  I suggest that you find one just to help sharpen your skills against that kind of hardware. 


Mmhmm. I have a friend who plays modern defensive and often experiments with all kinds of LP's and SP's on his backhand. Out of all the friends that I play, I find that his style gives me the most trouble. I suppose it's a positive thing since it forces me to change strategies. Playing blockers can be frustrating, I used to be one myself. One-sided Cpen with 802-40. But I was tired of giving dead balls and not to mention cracking them as well, and switched to inverted because I wanted to enjoy the game more by trying to keep it in play longer.



That's a very positive characteristic.  Playing against long pips is definitely an acquired skill.  Everything else being equal, I've found that it takes a lot of patience and smart play to keep up with a long pips player.  




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Posted By: Pushblocker
Date Posted: 12/30/2009 at 7:55am
Originally posted by Rich215 Rich215 wrote:

Originally posted by Pushblocker Pushblocker wrote:

Originally posted by Rich215 Rich215 wrote:

Cool.......makes me want to delve into the dark side......just for a taste!  haaa   I would like to try some LP's and block like that......

Thanks for sharring!    Let me know when you drain your indoor pool...Id love to skate it before you fill it in!

Indoor pool is drained but not filled yet.. Haven't made up my mind if I'll fill it in or fix it.. Whenever I get the estimate on how much to fix it, I'll decide what I'll do..


Can you show a pic of it ....deep end curves area at bottom...and close up of the coping would be nice.   If local vert skaters saw that thing...they would be over there right now..haaaaa   


Don't have a current (completely drained) pic.. Here's the pic where it still had a little bit of water..
 


Posted By: Pushblocker
Date Posted: 12/30/2009 at 7:58am
Originally posted by silverhair silverhair wrote:

Originally posted by qynthnghm qynthnghm wrote:

Originally posted by TT over Study TT over Study wrote:

Originally posted by qynthnghm qynthnghm wrote:

However, I will retract my earlier statement, he most likely would beat me because I've only played against one LP user ever


 

ill go 1 step further and say he will definitely beat you



Ha, you're hype.


If pushblocker is an over 2200 player and you haven't played his specific kind of long pips defense, he probably has the edge in a match.  It's only when a player has an opportunity to play against a specific player a few times do the vulnerabilities and how to exploit them.  

 

If this is true, the players at the clubs that I play should have all started to beat me.. I rarely lose to players with both sides inverted below 2100.. Sure, bogeyhunter kicks my azz but only because he plays long pips and often gives me dead balls and I my control is much lower against dead balls.(He is also over 2200 rated right now) I need my opponents spin to have control as I don't produce spin myself... It's EXTREMELY difficult to produce dead balls with spinny rubbers.. Even if you try to produce a dead ball, there will be some spin that I can use against my opponents...



Posted By: Pushblocker
Date Posted: 12/30/2009 at 8:03am
Originally posted by dragon kid dragon kid wrote:

Schlager is a former world champ, that would put him somewhere around 2700 usatt (correct me if i'm wrong)..
so it's a 500 rating point difference there. Now think of you rating than imagine you were playing someone that is solid 500 rating points higher than you.. then you'll get the picture..
 
Schlagers rating is 2829 which makes it 620 points higher than mine...



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