Stiga Ebenholz NCT V review.
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Topic: Stiga Ebenholz NCT V review.
Posted By: Anton Chigurh
Subject: Stiga Ebenholz NCT V review.
Date Posted: 03/18/2010 at 7:50pm
Specs:
88g Five-ply blade. Inner plies: ??? Outer ply: Ebony wood Legend
handle (FL) Stiga speed rating: OFF This blade has been my
primary setup for over a month now, mated with hard, tacky Chinese
rubbers on my FH (Haifu Whale II or Neo H3) and Donic Coppa Platin on my
BH. I purchased this blade from paddlepalace.com. Regarding Paddle Palace: I ordered three blades from them, one of which was the EbV, and all three
were the precise weight I asked for. Their service was, and is usually,
great; I�d recommend their store to anyone. Regarding the Stiga and the EbV: At first, I was quite disappointed. The blade
came out of the box very, very raw. The handle gave me a splinter and
there was frayed wood along the edges of the blade�s head. It was as if
no effort was put into finishing this blade at all. Normally it wouldn�t
matter with a less expensive blade, but for $130 I want near
perfection. (Think HK or Tenor--both examples of blades beautifully finished.) However, once touched-up and glued-up with some
Hurricane and Platin, my disappointment vanished. This is a visually
stunning blade that plays as nicely as it looks, IMO. This may come as a
surprise to some, as the EbV�s bigger brother, the Ebenholz NCT VII, has
not received a lot of positive reviews. However, I can say that I�ve
played with both. Although I won�t go into the EbVII�s attributes here, I
will say that the EbV definitely deserves to be evaluated separately
from its controversial bigger brother. The Stiga speed rating
is incorrect, IMO. Perhaps it�s close, but I would put this blade on the
upper end of OFF-, rather than a firm OFF. Certainly, it is fast
enough. But even with me, one who has marginally mediocre technique, I
found the EbV to be very controllable, both in the short game and off
the table. In fact, that�s what immediately attracted me. Yes,
this blade has a hollow handle. This is a curious issue, for when asked,
Stiga denies that the EbV has a WRB handle. Apparently, the hole in the
handle of a blade requires specific parameters to be considered WRB. This hole was put there allegedly to adjust the balance, as suggested by
the Chinese National Team (as claimed by Stiga). So, even though the
handle is hollow, this is not a WRB blade. (Perhaps it's just a B handle? ) I guess it doesn�t really
matter because, personally, I can�t tell the difference between the
EbV�s feel and the feel of a blade with a solid handle. But others may
be more discriminating. For the haters of hollow handles, be aware. Yet, it should be noted that, even with Chinese rubbers, the EbV is not that head heavy. This
blade is a little thicker than other five-plies I�ve used. The slightly
increased thickness worked to decrease head vibrations and give the
blade a more stable feel, which I very much prefer. However, the
increased thickness did not impair my control in the short game. Transitioning to this blade from my previous setup took no time at
all. Indeed, I played better with this blade almost immediately.
Outside of its aesthetic value, I�d say this blade�s most appealing
qualities are its feel and control� and the speed is definitely there
when you need it. Considering the hardness of Ebony wood, the EbV still has
very nice dwell--not too much for it to be �slow�, but just enough. This
is probably due to the thinness of the Ebony ply. It's almost like having a sheet of soft carbon on the outside ply, while still maintaining the wood feel. In terms of speed and
control, I�d say the EbV is excellent for those who want to graduate
from a five-ply blade but who are still too intimidated by the seven-ply
blades. However, in spite of its visually and tactilely
appealing attributes, I cannot say that I think this blade is worth
$130. It is a great, great five-ply blade. Very, very impressive. But it
is obscenely overpriced. Indeed, I think that its price tag is a huge obstacle to people learning just how nice of a blade this is. This is
an $80 blade with a �Stiga ego� markup of $50. I�m finding most
blades--from any company--that cost much over $100 share the same
embedded insult to the consumer. It may be that there is some factor
involved in its production that justifies the expense, but I�m doubtful.
I truly love this blade, but I won�t be purchasing another one unless
they drop the price significantly. I speculate that if Stiga had focused
on long-term gains over short-term gains, this blade would become a
classic--solely on the merits of its playability. However, I fear it is
doomed to the stature of novelty--solely on the merits of its price tag.
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Posted By: Anton Chigurh
Date Posted: 03/18/2010 at 7:52pm
Sorry about the weird font color. I imported this review from Word and this is how it turned out.
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Posted By: Reinecke
Date Posted: 03/18/2010 at 7:54pm
good review Anton, thanks for the warnings too!
Can you change the color though, it's mind boggling
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Posted By: Reinecke
Date Posted: 03/18/2010 at 7:55pm
Anton Chigurh wrote:
Sorry about the weird font color. I imported this review from Word and this is how it turned out.�
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I was going to ask about that... How did you import it?
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Posted By: Anton Chigurh
Date Posted: 03/18/2010 at 7:59pm
Reinecke wrote:
good review Anton, thanks for the warnings too!
Can you change the color though, it's mind boggling |
I'm trying, but can't figure it out. Perhaps one of the other mods can fix it.
I just copied and pasted it from Word. I've tried using the "Paste from Word" icon, but it's not working.
Crap.
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Posted By: tdragon
Date Posted: 03/18/2010 at 8:53pm
From Anton. I just tried to reformat
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Specs: 88g Five-ply blade. Inner plies: ??? Outer ply: Ebony wood Legend handle (FL) Stiga speed rating: OFF This blade has been my primary setup for over a month now, mated with hard, tacky Chinese rubbers on my FH (Haifu Whale II or Neo H3) and Donic Coppa Platin on my BH. I purchased this blade from paddlepalace.com. I ordered three blades from Paddle Palace, one of which was the EbV, and all three were the precise weight I asked for. Their service was and is usually great, and I�d recommend their store to anyone. Regarding Stiga and the EbV: At first, I was totally disappointed with Stiga. The blade came out of the box very, very raw. The handle gave me a splinter and there was frayed wood along the edges of the blade�s head. It was as if no effort was put into finishing this blade at all. Normally it wouldn�t matter with a less expensive blade, but for $130 I want near perfection. However, once touched-up and glued-up with some Hurricane and Platin, my disappointment vanished. This is a visually stunning blade that plays as nicely as it looks, IMO. This may come as a surprise to some, as the EbV�s older brother, the Ebenholz NCT VII, has not received a lot of positive reviews. However, I can say that I�ve played with both. Although I won�t go into the EbVII�s attributes here, I will say that the EbV definitely deserves to be evaluated separately from its controversial bigger brother. The Stiga speed rating is incorrect, IMO. Perhaps it�s close, but I would put this blade on the upper end of OFF-, rather than a firm OFF. Certainly, it is fast enough. But even with me, one who has marginally decent technique, I found the EbV to be very controllable, both in the short game and off the table. In fact, that�s what immediately attracted me. Yes, this blade has a hollow handle. This is a curious issue, for when asked, Stiga denies that the EbV has a WRB handle. Apparently, the hole in the handle of a blade requires specific parameters to be considered WRB. This hole was put there allegedly to adjust the balance, as suggested by the Chinese National Team (as claimed by Stiga). So, even though the handle is hollow, this is not a WRB blade. I guess it doesn�t really matter because, personally, I can�t tell the difference between the EbV�s feel and the feel of a blade with a solid handle. But others may be more discriminating. For the haters of hollow handles, be aware. This blade is a little thicker than other five-plies I�ve used. The slightly increased thickness worked to decrease head vibrations and give the blade a more stable feel, which I very much prefer. However, the increased thickness did not impair my control in the short game. In fact, transitioning to this blade from my previous setup took no time at all. Indeed, I played better with this blade almost immediately. Outside of its aesthetic value, I�d say this blade�s most appealing qualities are its feel and control� and the speed is definitely there when you need it. Considering the hardness of Ebony, the EbV still has very nice dwell--not too much for it to be �slow�, but just enough. This is probably due to the thinness of the Ebony ply. In terms of speed and control, I�d say the EbV is excellent for those who want to graduate from a five-ply blade but who are still too intimidated by the seven-ply blades. However, in spite of its visually and tactilely appealing attributes, I cannot say that I think this blade is worth $130. It is a great, great five-ply blade. Very, very impressive. But it is obscenely overpriced. Indeed, I think that its price tag is a huge hindrance to people learning just how nice of a blade this is. This is an $80 blade with a �Stiga ego� markup of $50. I�m finding most blades--from any company--that cost much over $100 share the same embedded insult to the consumer. It may be that there is some factor involved in its production that justifies the expense, but I�m doubtful. I truly love this blade, but I won�t be purchasing another one unless they drop the price significantly. I speculate that if Stiga had focused on long-term gains over short-term gains, this blade would become a classic--solely on the merits of its playability. However, I fear it is doomed to the stature of novelty--solely on the merits of its price tag.
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Posted By: ohhgourami
Date Posted: 03/18/2010 at 10:07pm
Very nice thorough review Anton
I don't think I'll be purchasing an Ebenholz V either
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Posted By: punya
Date Posted: 03/18/2010 at 11:57pm
Good review
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Posted By: Anton Chigurh
Date Posted: 03/19/2010 at 12:59am
Thanks tdragon! I'm going to copy/paste your reformatted version and tinker with it just a little to fix a few points. But I appreciate the help in making my review readable!
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Posted By: Heimdallalso
Date Posted: 03/19/2010 at 3:47am
Post your review I might bite @ approx $80. US; as you've noted though 130. ~is~ obscene & I agree, the pricing is a hindrance.
I will be very curious which of the ladies in your budding whorehouse will get most of your attention! The Ebenholz? The XIOM V1? one of the other 15 or so lovelies?
;-)
ps did you get a scale?
------------- NEXY Lissom st 85g
fh/ Andro Impuls Speed max
bh/ Palio Flying Dragon 1.8
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Posted By: Anton Chigurh
Date Posted: 03/19/2010 at 3:56am
Heimdallalso wrote:
Post your review I might bite @ approx $80. US; as you've noted though 130. ~is~ obscene & I agree, the pricing is a hindrance.
I will be very curious which of the ladies in your budding whorehouse will get most of your attention! The Ebenholz? The XIOM V1? one of the other 15 or so lovelies?
;-)
ps did you get a scale?
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I did get a scale, which was supposed to come calibrated.
It did not.
Now I have to purchase a 200g weight to calibrate the damn thing (because it's currently not working). If the calibration doesn't solve its problems then I'll have to send it back.
Anyway, the EbV came weighed from Paddle Palace and I verified it on a buddy's scale; so, at least there's that. I have yet to weigh the V1, but perhaps after I solve my personal scale problems. I think it will be quite a bit lighter. I'm guessing 82g...?
Of course, I don't know which blade I'll "finally" settle on, and as I improve my tastes likely will too. Right now I'm actually leaning more toward the V1, but that might simply be due to the "honeymoon" effect.
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Posted By: Imago
Date Posted: 03/19/2010 at 4:11am
This is always the case with all new lovers.
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Posted By: Heimdallalso
Date Posted: 03/19/2010 at 4:13am
For those that are considering purchase; does it come "sealed" from the factory?
I'm gong to go check which one Yogi plays with.
later
Imago wrote:
This is always the case with all new lovers. |
I guess you could call it "love"!
------------- NEXY Lissom st 85g
fh/ Andro Impuls Speed max
bh/ Palio Flying Dragon 1.8
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Posted By: Anton Chigurh
Date Posted: 03/19/2010 at 4:17am
Heimdallalso wrote:
For those that are considering purchase; does it come "sealed" from the factory?
I'm gong to go check which one Yogi plays with.
later
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Come back! No need to check, Yogi uses the EbVII.
Yes, it comes "sealed" with the NCT stuff. I initially thought the NC Technology was a special gluing process but I found out that its the sealant on the blade. (Or at least that's what someone told me. ) I'll try to supply some proof of that, but I'm pretty sure it's true. It's supposed to stiffen the blade a bit and protect the outer ply from water-based glues (from their stickiness, not from the water in them... quick, shhhhh before silverhair comes).
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Posted By: Imago
Date Posted: 03/19/2010 at 4:19am
True love is unreachable, my friend.
Anton, did you sand your "tactilely appealing" handle?
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Posted By: Anton Chigurh
Date Posted: 03/19/2010 at 4:25am
Imago wrote:
True love is unreachable, my friend.
Anton, did you sand your "tactilely appealing" handle? |
I did sand it a bit. I won't tell you with what grit, though.
Between the sanding and the usage, it's quite comfortable now.
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Posted By: peter79
Date Posted: 03/19/2010 at 10:05am
Anton, great review from you, I want to add about eben V, the blade
doesn't feel linear, maybe because of the ebony outerply or very thick
middle ply like yeo which is not linear IMO.
Comparing Eben V and Hking 655, I would say I prefer Hking 655, it cost
more but better in playing and finishing. The Box really looks like 160
usd blade box, unlike stiga which 40 usd blade box is the same as 130
usd blade box.
I'm sure if you write a review about 655, you'll have the same thoughts
as me.
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Posted By: rokphish
Date Posted: 03/19/2010 at 1:14pm
look for the ad for hybrid wood nct and it has explanation of what the nct supposed to be. not the sealant, rather something with the glue or whatnot between the plies... i posted the def a long time ago...
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Posted By: tdragon
Date Posted: 03/19/2010 at 1:47pm
peter79 wrote:
Anton, great review from you, I want to add about eben V, the blade doesn't feel linear, maybe because of the ebony outerply or very thick middle ply like yeo which is not linear IMO.
Comparing Eben V and Hking 655, I would say I prefer Hking 655, it cost more but better in playing and finishing. The Box really looks like 160 usd blade box, unlike stiga which 40 usd blade box is the same as 130 usd blade box.
I'm sure if you write a review about 655, you'll have the same thoughts as me. | I am agree with Peter.
I just tried Eben V after purchasing from EJmaster. The blade has the good solid feel, but it does not have the same feel and power as HK 655. Eben V is not worth with the price tag $130.
I have had a chance to try Eben VII yet, but I saw couple club members switching from HK and HK655 to Eben VII. May be it is the next blade for me to try out.
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Posted By: Anton Chigurh
Date Posted: 03/19/2010 at 2:52pm
tdragon wrote:
peter79 wrote:
Anton, great review from you, I want to add about eben V, the blade doesn't feel linear, maybe because of the ebony outerply or very thick middle ply like yeo which is not linear IMO.
Comparing Eben V and Hking 655, I would say I prefer Hking 655, it cost more but better in playing and finishing. The Box really looks like 160 usd blade box, unlike stiga which 40 usd blade box is the same as 130 usd blade box.
I'm sure if you write a review about 655, you'll have the same thoughts as me. | I am agree with Peter.
I just tried Eben V after purchasing from EJmaster. The blade has the good solid feel, but it does not have the same feel and power as HK 655. Eben V is not worth with the price tag $130.
I have had a chance to try Eben VII yet, but I saw couple club members switching from HK and HK655 to Eben VII. May be it is the next blade for me to try out. |
I'll be giving the HK655 a look this coming week.
Perhaps I should give my EbVII a go the following week? If that's the natural transition, I'll try it out.
I had a few hits with my EbVII, but not enough to really get to know it. The only thing that stood out to me was how low throw the blade is. I've always conceived of rubber having a larger effect on throw, but this was the first time I saw a very obvious effect of the blade.
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Posted By: peter79
Date Posted: 03/19/2010 at 10:47pm
tdragon wrote:
I am agree with Peter. I just tried Eben V after purchasing from EJmaster. The blade has the good solid feel, but it does not have the same feel and power as HK 655. Eben V is not worth with the price tag $130. I have had a chance to try Eben VII yet, but I saw couple club members switching from HK and HK655 to Eben VII. May be it is the next blade for me to try out.
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Tdragon, please compare Eben VII and Hking 655 using H3 I only tried my friend Eben VII with boost TX and TS, which I don't like it. It's fast but can't get the feel of it when looping.
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Posted By: chris.b40
Date Posted: 03/20/2010 at 8:25am
cant help but notice so many players have the same feeling about Ebenholz V11 . Stiga should listen
Also noticed that most players think that these are overpriced blades .I do too.
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Posted By: Anton Chigurh
Date Posted: 03/27/2010 at 6:09pm
A few added comments about the Ebenholz NCT V http://www.mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=33301&PID=407665#407665 - here .
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Posted By: lilactime031
Date Posted: 03/28/2010 at 12:08am
Very soon i'll have some Rosewood blades from Stiga.
Price for the V EUR 55 and for the VII EUR 65.
Also i'll have the new Stiga CC 5 (Crystal Carbo) White EUR 49, and the new Stiga CC 7 (Crystal Carbo) White EUR 58.
I'll have limited number of blades and only in master (flared) handle.
Please visit www.e-pingpongshop.com i have too many blades from Stiga and other brands. If you come from countries outside the European Union then you have to didact 19% VAT.
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Posted By: lilactime031
Date Posted: 03/28/2010 at 12:19am
As about the new series of Crystal Carbo from Stiga now.
very close to the Optimum feeling, fast blades with decent control and very good speed. Finaly Stiga understands that too many players in the world like to play with carbon blades, especialy nafter the ban of the fresh glue.
Until now Stiga has released Hybrid, Offencive Classic NCT and Allround Classic NCT, Ebenholz V and Ebenholz VII all are wooden blades. Rosewood V and Rosewood VII are also wooden so the first Stiga attempt for the modern era are the two Crystal Carbon models.
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Posted By: lilactime031
Date Posted: 03/28/2010 at 12:20am
i meant the first carbon attempt
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Posted By: seguso
Date Posted: 09/23/2013 at 10:24am
This is my short review of Ebenholz V, after playing with it for 4 days, with m2 fh and bh. (I've also tested it in tournament and there were no suprises :)).
In short: this is the perfect blade for loopers both fh and bh. The key feature of this blade is that it it is both fast and high throw. This is very rare.
Flexibility: Caution: this is very flexible. you will have problems if you drive on bh! this is for bh loopers. Of course you can compensate for this to some extent with a low throw rubber such as coppa x2.
(Notice the flexibility of stiga blades varies a lot with the handle. I am reviewing the master handle (concave small). Straight handle usually makes the blade stiffer.)
It has exactly the same thickness as offensive CR: 5.4 mm. (warning: stiga blades are not always consistent in thickness). hardness: ebony is just the right hardness for today's game: softer than koto but harder than limba (also harder than CR-limba).
This blade is similar to stiga offensive CR, but is both faster and higher throw. It is also much more consistent / reliable. In short, more control. The higher price is totally justified.
The touch of this blade is great. Difficult to describe. The hardness is just right; the consistency is incredible: it seems to send the ball where you want.
There are clones of this blade around, such as HRT ebenholz V, but they are very different (much harder and lower throw).
speed: almost off+. Faster than clipper wood, offensive cr. Slower than clipper cr.
Suggested rubbers: very good with M2 on bh. On Fh, I suggest T05 or evolution MX-P. Even M2 if you like medium hard rubbers on fh.
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Posted By: Loop40mm
Date Posted: 09/24/2013 at 4:42pm
seguso wrote:
Suggested rubbers: very good with M2 on bh. On Fh, I suggest T05 or evolution MX-P. Even M2 if you like medium hard rubbers on fh.
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I have black T05 on my forehand. I have also used the red T05 seems to have better control and spinnier. If the quality of the rubbers are consistent, I actually like the red rubber better.
I first used red sponge Haifu Shark II on my backhand. Since red sponge Shark II is no longer in production, I am using DHS Tin Arc 3. I am thinking of using T05 FX or Tibhar Grip-S Europe or Grip-S Europe Soft on my backhand. I welcome comments. I use CPen RPB to loop on the backhand and I miss red sponge Haifu Shark II. I like spinny rubber on the backhand.
When I first started using Stiga Ebenholz NCT V, a friend mentioned to me that the blade was too fast to some people. I now realize my previous blades were too slow for me. I did not have the power from middle distance before. Often time I was muscling the ball.
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