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Topic: Donic Acuda S3 for the record
Posted By: Thaidog
Subject: Donic Acuda S3 for the record
Date Posted: 09/11/2010 at 11:22pm
Hi everyone... just wanted to say I'm loving the Acuda S3 I got to review from MyTableTennis.net! Here are a few pics of the sheet I got:

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Topsheet:
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Sponge:
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Packaging:
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The looks of S3 as you can tell are very traditional. The topsheet is grippy but not too grippy... New it is on par with a Tenergy topsheet! The sponge has large pores and is soft. This yields a very controllable setup with good shortgame touch and a lot of midrange spin. Right now it appears to be a winner of a sheet but I want more time to enjoy this rubber and some input from a friend and his conclusions for cpen play so more on this sheet soon!




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Posted By: GeneralSpecific
Date Posted: 09/11/2010 at 11:33pm
I've been waiting to hear more about this rubber and I look forward to your review. I've already completely ruled out S1 and am very close to ruling out S2 but S3 seems to have very good potential. It may go without saying but make comparisons to 05, this is a rubber people are considering using as a replacement.


Posted By: Thaidog
Date Posted: 09/11/2010 at 11:47pm
Originally posted by GeneralSpecific GeneralSpecific wrote:

I've been waiting to hear more about this rubber and I look forward to your review. I've already completely ruled out S1 and am very close to ruling out S2 but S3 seems to have very good potential. It may go without saying but make comparisons to 05, this is a rubber people are considering using as a replacement.


Well I can tell you that the sponge is much more like T05 than S1 or S2. It also gives it a ton of spin like T05 does with spring sponge! I have played a lot with T64 in the past few months but I did not like it because is sacrificed too much spin for speed.


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Posted By: GeneralSpecific
Date Posted: 09/11/2010 at 11:56pm
Originally posted by Thaidog Thaidog wrote:

Well I can tell you that the sponge is much more like T05 than S1 or S2. It also gives it a ton of spin like T05 does with spring sponge! I have played a lot with T64 in the past few months but I did not like it because is sacrificed too much spin for speed.


This is very true, I use 64 on my backhand and 05 on my forehand and 64 is absolutely perfect for what I do with my backhand. It's not a bad forehand rubber but 05 is much better for me on that side, I've come to terms that I need 64 on my backhand because it's EXACTLY what I need. I have a little more flexibility with my forehand. It needs to have equal or better spin than 05 but I'm alright if I lose a little speed (but not too much).


Posted By: Thaidog
Date Posted: 09/12/2010 at 12:12am
The way I like to play I want something that has good spin and still is not too slow on the backhand. After playing with T64 I can see why a lot of Koreans play it on jpen because it fits their quick attack style but as for me I am willing to sacrifice some speed for spin.


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Posted By: GeneralSpecific
Date Posted: 09/12/2010 at 12:54am
Originally posted by Thaidog Thaidog wrote:

The way I like to play I want something that has good spin and still is not too slow on the backhand.


Yeah that's how my forehand works, I've never tried tacky chinese rubbers but I use 05 so I have a bit more of a spinny euro stroke instead of the more drive style of forehand that the chinese rubbers require.

Originally posted by Thaidog Thaidog wrote:

After playing with T64 I can see why a lot of Koreans play it on jpen because it fits their quick attack style but as for me I am willing to sacrifice some speed for spin.


This is true 64 does fit that kind of style but it also makes sense that Mizutani uses it because of his longer distance playing style. 64 works for him because it requires you to hit the ball harder for it to make full use of the spring sponge and he needs to hit the ball harder so the ball can travel the longer distance so it works out perfectly. When playing closer to the table the rubber is mostly about speed, granted it does still have spin but this comes from the softer more flexible pip configuration of the topsheet than that of 05's (allowing 05 easier access to the spring sponge). To add even more to it if you look at Joo Se Hyuk, he produces fantastic forehand chops with it because it is less sensitive to incoming spin than most inverted rubbers (acting almost like a shortpips rubber in this sense) and at the same time loops with it like Mizutani. So in a nutshell 64 was made for high speed close/medium distance from the table play with some spin (the fast drive style you were talking about), the ability to chop almost like short pips (Joo Se Hyuk) and also for long distance spinny power loops (Mizutani and Joo Se Hyuk). Its design was very well though out.



Posted By: Xriz
Date Posted: 09/12/2010 at 2:36am
...so does this mean that among the acuda series the most promising is s3? i currently hav s1 bh on a m.maze blade, too fast!!

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Posted By: GeneralSpecific
Date Posted: 09/12/2010 at 11:50am
Originally posted by Xriz Xriz wrote:

...so does this mean that among the acuda series the most promising is s3? i currently hav s1 bh on a m.maze blade, too fast!!


Well s2 is slower than s1 but faster than s3. Though it seems like s3 is the spinniest of all of them.


Posted By: Thaidog
Date Posted: 09/26/2010 at 10:59pm
I got to hit with S3 max last night. It is a tad more spinny than 2.0. Member dalamchops liked the 2.0 version and so decided to give Max sponge a try. He is a cpen player and is using it for rpb. All I can say is it is working for him well as his rpb seemed to have more sidespin than usual last night!


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Tenergy 64 FX National 2.1mm

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Posted By: tomas.gt
Date Posted: 09/27/2010 at 4:13am
for me, S3 has too soft sponge to be combined with acuda topsheet. It really depends on your taste and blade under it.

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Posted By: icontek
Date Posted: 09/27/2010 at 10:19am
Played with Acuda S3 2.0 for a few hours last night as BH rubber.

Coming from Mendo Energy 1.8, I was pleasantly surprised with the following:

1) Pushing and short game felt better than previous gen tensors I hit around with (PME 42.5, Donic F3, Tibhar Rapid D.TeCS)

2) Topspin production and control were excellent, the rubber does really do a lot of the work

3) Sound and weight were good

I haven't gotten the knack of heavy spin on service yet, although I did see glimpses of what it could do when I tossed high enough to get into the sponge.


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Posted By: zheyi
Date Posted: 09/27/2010 at 10:37am
Originally posted by icontek icontek wrote:



3) Sound and weight were good

 
Hows the weight compared to those rubbers you used before?
Thank! Embarrassed


Posted By: Thaidog
Date Posted: 09/27/2010 at 5:35pm
Originally posted by icontek icontek wrote:



2) Topspin production and control were excellent, the rubber does really do a lot of the work



Agreed. The mid range is great for opening loops and loop drives. The softer sponge is pretty loud also. dalamchops said it reminds him of T64 is a lot of aspects. I think it plays a little more like T05 with less initial catapult but more spin. More "euro" if you will.


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Posted By: foz
Date Posted: 09/27/2010 at 6:19pm

I have used the s3 max on fh for a few months now, was that happy with it ive put the 1.8 on my bh, what can i say? it just does the lot, great spin (like baracuda) plenty of power and control and to me feels damn near as quick as o5! although to be fair , i havnt tried o5 on my blade! excellent for service returns, you just feel like you can lift almost anything. it is softer than o5 but still seems to have a similar throw. great rubber!Thumbs Up



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Posted By: icontek
Date Posted: 09/27/2010 at 11:27pm
Originally posted by zheyi zheyi wrote:

Originally posted by icontek icontek wrote:



3) Sound and weight were good

 
Hows the weight compared to those rubbers you used before?
Thank! Embarrassed


Weight increase from Mendo Energy 1.8 was slight, but noticeable.
Acuda S3 feels lighter than my old sheet of Mendo Regular 2.0



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Posted By: foz
Date Posted: 09/28/2010 at 5:07pm
S3 = medium to light in weight , as icontek says, a tad heavier than mendo energy which was one of the 1st light weight style rubbers. I used it on my bh a long time ago, aahhh, memories!Cool

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Posted By: Thaidog
Date Posted: 09/28/2010 at 10:15pm
Foz how would you compare 1.8mm to Max? 

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Tibhar Grip S MAx

Tenergy 64 FX National 2.1mm

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Posted By: foz
Date Posted: 09/29/2010 at 12:21pm
Not a great deal of difference really, counterloops and big loop drive shots are about 15% more dynamic on the max, the short game seems to be about the same but the odd chop stays lower on the 1.8! both spin superb!Cool

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Posted By: zheyi
Date Posted: 09/29/2010 at 12:35pm
Do u think its a good rubber for rpb? i intend to replace the 2.0 acuda
and get rid of the expensive sriver el!!! anyone?


Posted By: ucftcys
Date Posted: 10/12/2010 at 2:39am
Is S3 very slow? Is it easy to produce spin like 05? I am looking for a rubber which can produce lots of spin and easy to make open loop. hope S3 is for me.


Posted By: Skyline
Date Posted: 10/12/2010 at 9:41am
is this a good rubber for flat hitting and punchblocking? This rubber was recommend to me by a very good player.


Posted By: icontek
Date Posted: 10/12/2010 at 11:14am
Has anyone used rubber cement on their Acuda?

I used Stiga BTG for fear of ruining Donic's tune job.

I hate water based glue and difficulty of a perfect flat even glue job.

I've had to reglue twice with the Stiga BTG (first glue job felt awful, reglued, felt great, then the edge on one side peeled up). I'm on my third gluing, and just want it to be permanent. Any tips?

Currently I let the Stiga BTG dry clear on blade and rubber (10 min on blade, about a half hour on rubber) and then assemble with roller and leave under books overnight.

Is it my process that's the problem?


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Posted By: apflor323
Date Posted: 10/12/2010 at 2:53pm
Anyone  know how hard (degrees) the sponge is? I'm more of a hard sponge person.

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Posted By: sunilid
Date Posted: 10/12/2010 at 4:28pm
Originally posted by icontek icontek wrote:

Has anyone used rubber cement on their Acuda?

I used Stiga BTG for fear of ruining Donic's tune job.

I hate water based glue and difficulty of a perfect flat even glue job.

I've had to reglue twice with the Stiga BTG (first glue job felt awful, reglued, felt great, then the edge on one side peeled up). I'm on my third gluing, and just want it to be permanent. Any tips?

Currently I let the Stiga BTG dry clear on blade and rubber (10 min on blade, about a half hour on rubber) and then assemble with roller and leave under books overnight.

Is it my process that's the problem?


Process seems fine, though I usually wait about 10 mins for both blade and rubber (more for rubber
can only help if you have too much glue on it).  Make sure you're not using too much or too little glue,
while spreading an even layer with no lumps remaining - an even white layer before the drying process
begins. 


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Posted By: Thaidog
Date Posted: 10/12/2010 at 4:37pm
Originally posted by ucftcys ucftcys wrote:

Is S3 very slow? Is it easy to produce spin like 05? I am looking for a rubber which can produce lots of spin and easy to make open loop. hope S3 is for me.

S3 has a soft sponge but it is not slow. I think you will like it because it has a good mid range for things like opening loops. Very spinny!


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Tibhar Grip S MAx

Tenergy 64 FX National 2.1mm

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Posted By: foz
Date Posted: 10/12/2010 at 6:28pm
Originally posted by ucftcys ucftcys wrote:

Is S3 very slow? Is it easy to produce spin like 05? I am looking for a rubber which can produce lots of spin and easy to make open loop. hope S3 is for me.
s3 is not slow! but as with all softer sponge rubbers, to get a good degree of speed off the table a stiff fast blade and max sponge should be used! s3 is superb for opening up spin shots off back or side spin serves, wicked, even with my kool blade! what blade do you use? Cool

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Posted By: ucftcys
Date Posted: 10/12/2010 at 11:49pm
Originally posted by foz foz wrote:

Originally posted by ucftcys ucftcys wrote:

Is S3 very slow? Is it easy to produce spin like 05? I am looking for a rubber which can produce lots of spin and easy to make open loop. hope S3 is for me.

s3 is not slow! but as with all softer sponge rubbers, to get a good degree of speed off the table a stiff fast blade and max sponge should be used! s3 is superb for opening up spin shots off back or side spin serves, wicked, even with my kool blade! what blade do you use? Cool

I am using Innerforce ZLC now. just bought S3 from internet. will test after receiving it.

Do you think Innerforce zlc + S3 combination is ok?








Posted By: haggisv
Date Posted: 10/13/2010 at 12:04am
Originally posted by icontek icontek wrote:

Has anyone used rubber cement on their Acuda?

I used Stiga BTG for fear of ruining Donic's tune job.

I hate water based glue and difficulty of a perfect flat even glue job.

I've had to reglue twice with the Stiga BTG (first glue job felt awful, reglued, felt great, then the edge on one side peeled up). I'm on my third gluing, and just want it to be permanent. Any tips?

Currently I let the Stiga BTG dry clear on blade and rubber (10 min on blade, about a half hour on rubber) and then assemble with roller and leave under books overnight.

Is it my process that's the problem?


I've glued it with rubber cement with no problems. the rubber feels like something in between F3 Big Slam and F2 in hardness... quite  a nice rubber. It chops/pushes really well, and is good for hitting and blocking. Good for opening loops, but too soft for powerloops. Does seem quite a bit more durable compared previous generation Donic rubbers.


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Posted By: zigster
Date Posted: 10/13/2010 at 3:53am
I've also used rubber cement on Acuda (S2). No problems.


Posted By: foz
Date Posted: 10/13/2010 at 6:33pm
Originally posted by ucftcys ucftcys wrote:

Originally posted by foz foz wrote:

Originally posted by ucftcys ucftcys wrote:

Is S3 very slow? Is it easy to produce spin like 05? I am looking for a rubber which can produce lots of spin and easy to make open loop. hope S3 is for me.

s3 is not slow! but as with all softer sponge rubbers, to get a good degree of speed off the table a stiff fast blade and max sponge should be used! s3 is superb for opening up spin shots off back or side spin serves, wicked, even with my kool blade! what blade do you use? Cool

I am using Innerforce ZLC now. just bought S3 from internet. will test after receiving it.

Do you think Innerforce zlc + S3 combination is ok?

Ive not played the zlc, but going off btys ratings i think you should be fine for an alround explosive spinny game. let me know how it plays? 







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BTY ZHANG JIKE FL


Posted By: pingpongrob
Date Posted: 10/13/2010 at 10:55pm
Originally posted by apflor323 apflor323 wrote:

Anyone  know how hard (degrees) the sponge is? I'm more of a hard sponge person.


here's a small list of Sponge Hardness with my Durometer.
Goldway 916 Red 2.0mm - 42 degree's
Andro Hexer Red 2.1mm - 30 degree's
Andro Hexer + Red 1.9mm - 27 degree's
Andro Hexer PowerSponge Red 2.1mm - 27 degree's
Donic Barracuda Red Max - 33.7 degree's
Donic Barracuda Blk Max - 27.4 degree's (Strange)
Donic Barracuda Red & Black 2.0mm - 30 degree's
Donic Coppa Speed Red 2.1mm - 34.5 degree's
729 Higher III - Japanese Sponge Blk 2.2mm - 33.5 degree's
Donic Sonex JP Gold Blk 2.0mm - 32.9 Degree's
Butterfly Bryce Speed FX Blk 1.9mm - 29.0 degree's
LKT Red Diamond Red 2.1mm - 41.5 Degree's
LKT Black Diamond Blk 2.1mm - 44.5 Degree's
Gambler Six Shooter Pre-Tune Blk 2.2mm - 33.2 Degree's
Xiom Vega Pro Blk 1.9mm - 35.1 Degree's
Xiom Omega II Blk 2.0mm - 28.8 Degree's
729 Faster II with German Sponge - 38 Degree's
Donic Coppa X1 Turbo 2.0mm - 23 Degree's
Donic Coppa X1 Gold Max - 28 Degree's
Donic Acuda S2 Blk Max - 25 Degree's
Donic Acuda S3 Red Max - 25 Degree's
Donic Coppa X3 Silver Red Max - 23.5 Degree's
Donic Coppa X2 Platin Soft Red 2.0mm - 25.5 Degree's
Kokutaku Bluntenkirshce 868 Tokyo Extra Tacky Blk 2.0mm (40-43 Deg) - 30.6 Degree's
Kokutaku Tuple 007 Taiwan - Tacky Blk 2.1mm (38-40 Deg) - 29.2 Degree's
Donic JO Waldner Blk 2.0mm - 36 Degree's
Galaxy Saturn 42-42 Red 2.3mm - 44 Degree's
Galaxy Apollo 39 Black 2.1mm - 40 Degree's


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Posted By: apflor323
Date Posted: 10/14/2010 at 12:18am
thanks for the info! Any chance you have the hardness for the Donic Acuda S1?

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Posted By: dmras
Date Posted: 10/14/2010 at 1:28am
My information:
Acuda S1 - 47.5
AcudaS2 - 42.5
AcudaS3 - 37.5
Hexer + - 45.0
HEXER POWERSPONGE - 37.5
HEXER DURO - 42.5
HEXER - 47.5
REVO FIRE - 45.0
IMPULS SPEED - 30.0
ROXON500PRO - 50.0
ROXON330 - 33.0
PLASMA WOMAN - 35.0
BLOWFISH - 40.0
BLOWFISH + - 42.5


Posted By: pingpongrob
Date Posted: 10/14/2010 at 9:10am
Originally posted by dmras dmras wrote:

My information:
Acuda S1 - 47.5
AcudaS2 - 42.5
AcudaS3 - 37.5
Hexer + - 45.0
HEXER POWERSPONGE - 37.5
HEXER DURO - 42.5
HEXER - 47.5
REVO FIRE - 45.0
IMPULS SPEED - 30.0
ROXON500PRO - 50.0
ROXON330 - 33.0
PLASMA WOMAN - 35.0
BLOWFISH - 40.0
BLOWFISH + - 42.5

And where is your info obtained from.


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Posted By: pingpongrob
Date Posted: 10/14/2010 at 9:14am
Originally posted by apflor323 apflor323 wrote:

thanks for the info! Any chance you have the hardness for the Donic Acuda S1?

Its about 35 degree's on my scale, a touch harder that Hexer & Tenergy 05


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Posted By: traineebeing
Date Posted: 10/14/2010 at 1:47pm
Originally posted by pingpongrob pingpongrob wrote:


Donic Acuda S2 Blk Max - 25 Degree's
Donic Acuda S3 Red Max - 25 Degree's
 
Typo?


Posted By: icontek
Date Posted: 10/14/2010 at 2:22pm
Originally posted by traineebeing traineebeing wrote:

Originally posted by pingpongrob pingpongrob wrote:


Donic Acuda S2 Blk Max - 25 Degree's
Donic Acuda S3 Red Max - 25 Degree's
 
Typo?


Yes sir, mr. spelling police.
Degrees is neither possessive nor a contraction.

:D


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Posted By: dmras
Date Posted: 10/14/2010 at 5:52pm
Info obtained from-
www.iruiru.com


Posted By: pingpongrob
Date Posted: 10/15/2010 at 12:08am
Originally posted by traineebeing traineebeing wrote:

Originally posted by pingpongrob pingpongrob wrote:


Donic Acuda S2 Blk Max - 25 Degree's
Donic Acuda S3 Red Max - 25 Degree's
 
Typo?

Sorry - are you talking about the apostraphie, Speeling was never my better subject.
If were talking about the similar readings, yes they are correct, and infact both rubbers play very similar. Maybe a pip structure change, and not a sponge hardness change.


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Posted By: traineebeing
Date Posted: 10/15/2010 at 1:16am
Originally posted by pingpongrob pingpongrob wrote:

Originally posted by traineebeing traineebeing wrote:

Originally posted by pingpongrob pingpongrob wrote:


Donic Acuda S2 Blk Max - 25 Degree's
Donic Acuda S3 Red Max - 25 Degree's
 
Typo?

If were talking about the similar readings, yes they are correct, and infact both rubbers play very similar. Maybe a pip structure change, and not a sponge hardness change.
 
I have a brand new Acuda S2 2.0 blk on my fh but i couldn't find the time to play with it yet. And i was considering S3 2.0 for the bh side just because of its softness. If we put the durometer readings aside, when you press your finger on the rubber, is S3 clearly feels softer than S2 or are they feel very close in softness. If they are very close my second choice is Hexer Powersponge. Thank you for your reply pingpongrob. (If i did some typos, i feel sorry for them)


Posted By: bman
Date Posted: 10/25/2010 at 6:45am
How does the sponge softness of ps3 compare to big slam ? Is the sound anywhere near that of big slam?


Posted By: icontek
Date Posted: 10/28/2010 at 4:26pm
While I am not sure if S3 is as soft as F3 Big Slam, it still has pretty good sound.

However, after experimenting with it - I would recommend water based glue ONLY.

I got so sick of an uneven bond with Stiga BTG Syncro glue that I gave in and peeled it and used rubber cement.

The rubber cement changed the feel of the Acuda S3 and it lost some of it's softness and dynamic "jelly like" behavior.


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Posted By: bOOm_cORNr_sHOt
Date Posted: 11/01/2010 at 11:40am

Acuda S3 2.0 on Acoustic

 

Coming from Narucross GS Soft, the speed is just a tad slower with more spin. Before Narucross GS Soft I used Bryce Speed FX, Acuda is slower than Bryce but much more spin. At max stroke (full body loop swing), I can hit it as fast as Bryce with a lot more spin. I'm not sure if it’s because of the sponge that Acuda feels slower than Bryce Speed FX when countering.

 

Control is great! Spin on service is excellent. A toss just above the head created more spin for me versus a twice the length toss using Bryce or GS Soft. Very pleased with the rubber but man did it soak up the glue. So put a good coat of glue the first time. I use Butterfly Free chack. I have some adjusting to do with service return since I wasn't able to really test this against better players.

 

Blocking is another great attribute. Since I was having issues keeping the ball low on service return, my opponent was opening easily. Since his shots were somewhat predictable, I was able to block them back with so much pace. I was able to do one punch block into his body very easily. That is one shot I want to get down.

 

I put it on both sides since I wanted a little more oomph on the back hand. I was able to BH loop from 8 feet away with 1/2 force stroke with great arch and speed. I was using Inspirit Quattro UL Max Soft version before this. More spin with Acuda S3 and an obvious boost in speed.

 

I may get Acuda S2 next time for the FH for a slight speed boost. While I noticed the rubber helped when not in the best position to perform a stroke well, a proper stroke produces a spinney, fast ball. I used it for about 2 1/2 hrs yesterday. I can only hope the rubber has a long shelf life. 

 


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Acoustic L-Sized FL

Acuda S3 2.0 FH & BH


Posted By: flash
Date Posted: 11/01/2010 at 12:54pm
Can anyone compare S3 with Xiom Vega Europe as a bh rubber...

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Viscaria, FL

T05 hard, 2,1 mm, black, fh
T05 hard, 2,1 mm, red, bh.


Posted By: nathanso
Date Posted: 12/27/2010 at 11:34pm
I've had a couple of opportunities now to hit with Acuda S3. Very soft, nice click, easy to spin, med/high throw, tight arc. The major downside that you notice as soon as you're in a rally is that S3 is very reactive to incoming spin! I did not feel it was similar to T64 (my current rubber), which is firmer, faster, and shoots longer. I would not choose S3.

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BBC, SP, LP


Posted By: GeneralSpecific
Date Posted: 12/28/2010 at 12:20am
Originally posted by nathanso nathanso wrote:

I've had a couple of opportunities now to hit with Acuda S3. Very soft, nice click, easy to spin, med/high throw, tight arc. The major downside that you notice as soon as you're in a rally is that S3 is very reactive to incoming spin! I did not feel it was similar to T64 (my current rubber), which is firmer, faster, and shoots longer. I would not choose S3.


I disagree that it's very reactive to incoming spin. It is waaay less reactive to spin compared to T05 and even less reactive than T64.


Posted By: Carryboy
Date Posted: 12/28/2010 at 5:53am
Heavy as a backhand rubber. A cut piece black 2.0 comes in at near 45 grams.

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Spin Master Carbo Power (Stefan Elsner Custom)
Donic Acuda S1 Max
Donic Acuda P1 Blue Max


Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 12/28/2010 at 7:47am
Originally posted by flash flash wrote:

Can anyone compare S3 with Xiom Vega Europe as a bh rubber...


having used the XVE and now the Acuda S3 I can defnitely tell you a few things

hardness:
S3 is a tad harder than XVE

control:
XVE=S3

Spin:
S3>XVE, the S3 topsheet is so grippy

Throw Angle:
XVE=S3, its high

Speed:
S3>XVE, im finding the XVE as a slower rubber since i switched to Joola explode before in my bh then went back to XVE because of the Xplode's durability (it lasted only a month in my bh). the speed of the S3 is faster by 15-20% than XVE

Control:
XVE=S3




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Independent online TT Product reviewer of XIOM, STIGA, JOOLA, SANWEI, GEWO, AIR, ITC, APEX, YASAKA and ABROS

ITTF Level 1 Coaching Course Conductor, ITTF Level 1 Coach


Posted By: bOOm_cORNr_sHOt
Date Posted: 12/28/2010 at 11:43am
Update: Durability = 2 months (3 days a week @ 3 1/2 hrs each)

Dissapointed as I was hoping for 3 months at the minimum.

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Acoustic L-Sized FL

Acuda S3 2.0 FH & BH


Posted By: Acacor
Date Posted: 07/09/2011 at 1:47pm
Thanks bear,
I use XVE as Jpen and was looking for this information on acuda series. I feel that XVE has not a high angle for top spins, like T05 or even Tackness Drive. And is some slow.
Anyway, by your coments, better choose S3 over XVE.

Someone knows if S2 or Baracuda has higher angle than S3?


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Xiom RSM Gold 10,6/Omega 3 asia
Nittaku A/Vega Europe


Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 07/10/2011 at 6:09am
s2 has a lower throw angle (lil bit) compared to s3, im using s2 now in my bh. Baracuda has the highest throw angle ive seen among other donic rubbers

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Independent online TT Product reviewer of XIOM, STIGA, JOOLA, SANWEI, GEWO, AIR, ITC, APEX, YASAKA and ABROS

ITTF Level 1 Coaching Course Conductor, ITTF Level 1 Coach


Posted By: hookumsnivy
Date Posted: 07/10/2011 at 9:51am
Originally posted by yogi_bear yogi_bear wrote:


having used the XVE and now the Acuda S3 I can defnitely tell you a few things

hardness:
S3 is a tad harder than XVE

control:
XVE=S3

Spin:
S3>XVE, the S3 topsheet is so grippy

Throw Angle:
XVE=S3, its high

Speed:
S3>XVE, im finding the XVE as a slower rubber since i switched to Joola explode before in my bh then went back to XVE because of the Xplode's durability (it lasted only a month in my bh). the speed of the S3 is faster by 15-20% than XVE

Control:
XVE=S3


I had a very different view.  Maybe because of different blades.  I had S3 max and now XVE max on my FH of JSpeed 90 cpen and this is what I thought:

Hardness:
XVE is significantly softer.  I think this is mostly due to the softer topsheet.  I didn't find S3 to be that soft.  I have Energy Xtra on my BH and I think the XVE is slightly softer than that.

Control:
After a day of getting used to the XVE, the XVE has the edge in control, probably due to the softer feel.

Spin:
I didn't really notice much difference here.  Maybe a slight edge to S3.

Throw Angle:
XVE higher than S3.  I found the S3 to be lower than I like.  It definitely took some getting used to the S3 after playing with Energy Xtra.

Speed:
S3 is faster.


Posted By: AcudaDave
Date Posted: 07/11/2011 at 10:16am
It's really amazing how much time and effort some people put into measuring the hardness, spin, etc.  I've played with Donic rubbers for more than 10 years, and I can honestly say Baracuda and Acuda are 2 of the best rubbers they've developed. 
One reviewer said he only got 2 months durability (3x a week) with the Acuda S3.  I and other players that are using it are getting about 4-5 months! I used to play with Desto F3, then F3 Big slam and while both of those rubbers played really well they only lasted about 2 - 3 months at most.  The label on the packaging says that the durability should last about 50% longer than other Donic rubbers and I've found this to be true. 
Acuda S3 is one of the best rubbers I've ever played with, and I also disagree with the review that it's more sensitive to incoming spin than Tenergy.  Are you kidding me. Tenergy is one of the most sensitive rubbers out there.  Acuda S3 has a loud click and I agree with IconTek, don't use rubber cement as it changes the characteristics of the rubber.  I've found that true with other rubbers as well.  The rubber cement seems to take some of the pop out of the rubber, so I always use the water-based glue. 
Try a sheet of S3 and I'm sure you'll like it. As for the new Baracuda Big Slam I have a somewhat mixed review of that rubber.  I thought it would be the F3 Big Slam rubber with the Baracuda topsheet, but it's not.  I tried it a couple of times and didn't like it as well as either Baracuda or Acuda.  It's not a bad rubber, but it seemed to have slightly less spin than the Acuda or Baracuda, and it also seemed to have a lower throw.


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Joola Zhou Qihao 90 blade
Joola Dynaryz Inferno max - BH
Nittaku Moristo SP 2.0 - FH


Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 07/11/2011 at 7:25pm
by the way. i used a rubber cement for my acuda s3 before but i never reglued it so it went for a while

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Independent online TT Product reviewer of XIOM, STIGA, JOOLA, SANWEI, GEWO, AIR, ITC, APEX, YASAKA and ABROS

ITTF Level 1 Coaching Course Conductor, ITTF Level 1 Coach


Posted By: Acacor
Date Posted: 07/11/2011 at 8:04pm
So for the higher throw angle I'll try Baracuda.
I found some people say that 2mm is faster and has a Higher angle than MAX. Does anyone here have the same experience?

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Xiom RSM Gold 10,6/Omega 3 asia
Nittaku A/Vega Europe


Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 07/12/2011 at 9:43am
nope not me.. max is always faster than 2.0mm

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Independent online TT Product reviewer of XIOM, STIGA, JOOLA, SANWEI, GEWO, AIR, ITC, APEX, YASAKA and ABROS

ITTF Level 1 Coaching Course Conductor, ITTF Level 1 Coach


Posted By: AcudaDave
Date Posted: 07/12/2011 at 9:43am
I didn't like the max in Baracuda...I and my friend both prefer the 2.0mm. 

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Joola Zhou Qihao 90 blade
Joola Dynaryz Inferno max - BH
Nittaku Moristo SP 2.0 - FH


Posted By: tiehwen
Date Posted: 07/12/2011 at 3:31pm

@AcudaDave.

Just wonder whether Peoneater has ever used this AcudaS3, I'd love to try an used sheet if he has any, but 1 thing for sure he uses M_J w/T05 FH & T64 BH, man...to me this combo is just fast...Just sorta give you a head up!



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Posted By: amitmnagarwal
Date Posted: 09/10/2013 at 8:39am
Hi, 

My BH technique is ok, not tht fluent.

so will Acuda S3 max or 2.0 mm will be better suited.

I will require more control and slowly developing technique.




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Amit Agarwal

Blade : Michael Maze
FH : T05 max
BH : R47



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