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Topic: The 2011 Volkswagen Cup...Posted By: takaaki
Subject: The 2011 Volkswagen Cup...
Date Posted: 03/20/2011 at 11:18pm
will take place this wednesday and thursday in guangzhou starting at 2:00 pm, local time, or 2 am ET or 7 am CET. it will be livestreamed at ITTV.
here's the player list for the men:
Nr NAME ASSOC. DOB GENDER WR MAR 11 1 BOLL Timo GER 8-Mar-81 M 1 2 WANG Hao CHN 15-Dec-83 M 2 3 MIZUTANI Jun JPN 9-Jun-89 M 7 4 SAMSONOV Vladimir BLR 17-Apr-76 M 8 5 JOO Se Hyuk KOR 20-Jan-80 M 10 6 CHUANG Chih-Yuan TPE 2-Apr-81 M 13 7 MAZE Michael DEN 1-Sep-81 M 18 8 TANG Peng HKG 4-Feb-81 M 19
and for the women:
Nr NAME ASSOC. DOB GENDER WR Mar 11 1 LI Xiaoxia CHN 16-Jan-88 W 2 2 FENG Tianwei SIN 31-Aug-86 W 6 3 KIM Kyung Ah KOR 25-May-77 W 7 4 FUKUHARA Ai JPN 1-Nov-88 W 8 5 LI Jiao NED 15-Jan-73 W 13 6 WU Jiaduo GER 19-Sep-77 W 16 7 SHEN Yanfei ESP 24-Dec-79 W 19 8 JIANG Huajun HKG 8-Oct-84 W 25
funny, looking at the women, though only 1 of the 8 represent china, only 2 of the 8 are actually not chinese.
anyhow, here's the schedule:
GMT + 8:00 Main Draw Local GMT TV Table Table 2 TV itTV Tables 23-Mar-10 14:00 6:00 WS QF 1 MS QF 1 TV 2 14:45 6:45 MS QF 2 WS QF 2 TV 2 15:30 7:30 WS QF 3 MS QF 3 TV 2 16:15 8:15 MS QF 4 WS QF 4 TV 2 17:00 9:00 18:30 10:30 WS SF 1 TV 1 ** 19:15 11:15 Spec. Pairs (SF) TV 1 ** 19:30 11:30 MS SF 1 TV 1 ** 20:15 12:15 Paulini (2 songs) TV 1 ** 20:30 12:30 WS SF 2 TV 1 ** 21:15 13:15 Spec. Pairs (SF) TV 1 ** 21:30 13:30 MS SF 2 TV 1 Main Draw Local GMT TV Table Tables 24-Mar-10 19:30 11:30 WS F WS F followed by Paulini TV 1 ** 20:30 12:30 Spec. Pairs (Final) TV 1 ** 20:45 12:45 MS F MS F followed by Paulini TV 1 ** 21:45 13:45 TV
and the ITTF's VW cup page is here: http://%20www.ittf.com/competitions/competitions2.asp?Competition_ID=2020&category=WC - http://www.ittf.com/competitions/competitions2.asp?Competition_ID=2020&category=VWcup
enjoy!
Replies: Posted By: liang1983
Date Posted: 03/21/2011 at 5:36am
Posted By: riker71
Date Posted: 03/21/2011 at 2:36pm
I would go for Timo to win with current form/lack of injuries. And I am sure Michael Maze will put in good performances on his comeback, this is just the start, he will be determined to make up for lost time.
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Posted By: takaaki
Date Posted: 03/22/2011 at 9:52am
the draws have been posted:
here's the men's draw:
1 BOLL Timo GER
14:00 - 23/3/2011
Table 2
-:
2
TANG Peng HKG
3 CHUANG Chih-Yuan TPE
14:45 - 23/3/2011
Table 1
-:
4
MIZUTANI Jun JPN
5 SAMSONOV Vladimir BLR
15:30 - 23/3/2011
Table 2
-:
6
JOO Se Hyuk KOR
7 MAZE Michael DEN
16:15 - 23/3/2011
Table 1
-:
8
WANG Hao CHN
what a shame!! after the long layoff, maze draws wang in the 1st round!! i guess he's hoping wang's back is still hurting...
anyhow, here's the women's draw:
1 LI Xiaoxia CHN
15:30 - 23/3/2011
Table 1
-:
2
SHEN Yanfei ESP
3 JIANG Huajun HKG
14:00 - 23/3/2011
Table 1
-:
4
FUKUHARA Ai JPN
5 KIM Kyung Ah KOR
14:45 - 23/3/2011
Table 2
-:
6
WU Jiaduo GER
7 LI Jiao NED
16:15 - 23/3/2011
Table 2
-:
8
FENG Tianwei SIN
Posted By: Vladovich
Date Posted: 03/22/2011 at 10:02am
Pihh, Timo avoided Joo Se Hyuk again, instead Wang Hao should face him and hurt his back again.
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Posted By: TSuBaSa
Date Posted: 03/22/2011 at 12:28pm
Timo will beat peng, than mizutani. Wang will beat maze than samsonov so it'll be a timo hao final I guess
Posted By: takaaki
Date Posted: 03/22/2011 at 3:25pm
also, CCTV5 will show some of it. they won't stay on for the whole thing, though.
they will start their coverage at tomorrow 2 pm, local time, or 2 am ET, 7 am CET, but they will only stay on for 2 hours. and then they will show something else on tape-delay thursday at 9:00 am, local time, or 9 pm ET wednesday night or 2 am CET thursday morning.
as for day 2, i dunno what they're gonna do...
Posted By: ejmaster
Date Posted: 03/22/2011 at 3:40pm
Vladovich wrote:
Pihh, Timo avoided Joo Se Hyuk again, instead Wang Hao should face him and hurt his back again.
i bet for Samsonov against Joo. Samsonov is a machine against defenders.
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Posted By: TTNoobie
Date Posted: 03/22/2011 at 6:25pm
Easy path to the finals for Timo. I hope Joo gets pass Samsanov and Wang Hao pulls out due to injury. Timo Joo in the finals and Joo wins!
Posted By: riker71
Date Posted: 03/23/2011 at 5:12am
WH beat Maze 4-1, Maze played well under the circumstances, some typically outrageous shotmaking from him, some great backhands but didn't use his FH much - he did look as though he may still be injured, certainly not 100% fit. Hopefully a step in the right direction though!
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Posted By: Nerix
Date Posted: 03/23/2011 at 5:34am
Posted By: l00p
Date Posted: 03/23/2011 at 10:12am
Quarterfinal Highlights (by ttprovider)
VW Cup 2011: Wang Hao-Michael Maze http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=946qfKbw5QM - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=946qfKbw5QM
VW Cup 2011: Jun Mizutani-Chuang Chih Yuan http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1HD8biwO6Y - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1HD8biwO6Y
Posted By: Jonan
Date Posted: 03/23/2011 at 1:41pm
Huh, watching the Maze match atm, I dont remember him being so backhand dominant before his injury, he's stepping around to take most serves and doing aggressive backhand loops almost any chance he gets, at least so as I've gotten, also I dont remember him having that huge tattoo covering his forehand and another on his bicep on his left arm and a small one on his right wrist.Cant really make out what they are on the video. And he seems to be going for the Timo/Tiago style hair with the little horn thing in the front... I wonder if the tats are real or not, if so that must be what he spent all his time on while he was away, and he can kiss his modeling career goodbye.
Posted By: Carbon TT
Date Posted: 03/23/2011 at 1:47pm
I noticed the tattoos as well, so disappointing I guess if he wasn't already seen as the "bad boy" of table tennis, he will be for sure now. Maybe he is really trying to embrace the title of the "David Beckham of table tennis."
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Posted By: Jonan
Date Posted: 03/23/2011 at 1:58pm
Carbon TT wrote:
I noticed the tattoos as well, so disappointing I guess if he wasn't already seen as the "bad boy" of table tennis, he will be for sure now. Maybe he is really trying to embrace the title of the "David Beckham of table tennis."
I'm not so disappointed as curious, I want to know what they are and why he got them. I can only imagine they have some significance being on his playing arm. I thought of doing something similar a year or so ago before I left New Orleans, getting a tattoo on my left (playing) arm. I had the design custom made and ready, knew a couple guys who were covered in tattoos at my school who had connections for good/cheap guy to go to, just chickened out. It's not like ear rings where you can just take em out if you get tired of them, or long hair which you can cut off...
Posted By: kenneyy88
Date Posted: 03/23/2011 at 2:03pm
When I injured my ankle and played, I mostly used backhand to play. Playing forehand requires a lot fine movement. And went for bigger shots like Maze did. I don't really like the tattoo on the arm. It looked like some sort of lamp. The only other table tennis player I have seen with a tattoo is Stefanova.
Posted By: bOOm_cORNr_sHOt
Date Posted: 03/23/2011 at 2:19pm
Not sure what the big deal is about his tattoos. Give me a break, each person is free to do with their body what they want. I believe the one on his forearm is the European trophy with some japanese style star burst.
About his PLAY, well that was a hard match to come back to. I was rooting for the guy but he wasn't hitting his opening shots and wasn't moving well. maybe next tourney.
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Posted By: Jonan
Date Posted: 03/23/2011 at 2:24pm
bOOm_cORNr_sHOt wrote:
Not sure what the big deal is about his tattoos. Give me a break, each person is free to do with their body what they want. I believe the one on his forearm is the European trophy with some japanese style star burst.
About his PLAY, well that was a hard match to come back to. I was rooting for the guy but he wasn't hitting his opening shots and wasn't moving well. maybe next tourney.
That would be hilarious if it was, back when I had delusions of grandure about my future, I dreamed of doing the same thing, some growing pattern of symbols/trophies or such for tournament wins. Nowdays my dreams go about "Man, it would be awesome if I could get into the finals in the B flight or something if I ever played in a tournament again..."
Yeah, Wang Hao seemed comfortable just letting him miss shots, beating him with his own errors, even during the first game, Maze was going for broke on seemingly every shot and of course missed more often than made it and thus lost.
Posted By: riker71
Date Posted: 03/23/2011 at 2:35pm
Maze put in a far better performance against WH than Samsonov. WH didnt look in great shape himself, maybe he is also carrying the back injury. He played maybe 1 shot that made me go 'wow', Maze 6 or 7. Re the Tattoos, whatever they signify, why not?
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Posted By: riker71
Date Posted: 03/23/2011 at 2:43pm
Posted By: dragon kid
Date Posted: 03/23/2011 at 2:44pm
It is not like Maze tried to use his BH more, but IMO, Wang Hao played to his BH, a standard tactic for Chinese players against left-handed players... Maze is definitely one of the most talented European players but his shot selections is baffling at times. Seems like he mostly choose the hardest shot to make just to look spectacular. If he keeps it more simple and do what must be done, he'll get better result. He can showboat in friendly events or something...
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Posted By: riker71
Date Posted: 03/23/2011 at 2:57pm
After being out so long, I just hope he can recover 100% and stay injury free for the next few years to give himself chances of more tournaments
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Posted By: dragon kid
Date Posted: 03/23/2011 at 3:21pm
I still have a bad ankle from a football match I played like 15 years ago. So to hope he'll be back 100% is almost impossible, let's just hope he can stay match fit. I always like to watch him play. He needs to sort out his game though. He needs to play more like in the only European Championship he won. Closer to the table and use his FH more..
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Posted By: LOOPMEISTER
Date Posted: 03/23/2011 at 3:27pm
hehe Maze is back! Incredible bh loops from far off the table. No lateral movement tho. And I see he's using high-toss serves again. Interesting. Maze vs WH is like the battle of the gimps. Fun match to watch anyway.
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Posted By: dragon kid
Date Posted: 03/23/2011 at 3:31pm
His BH kill off WH opening at 3:21 is amazing.. best shot in the match for me..
An exhibition match between Maze and Xu Xin will be great. Two of the best show boat-ers in TT at the moment..
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Posted By: PongPong
Date Posted: 03/23/2011 at 5:04pm
Wang Hao vs Maze match is not exciting at all, maybe because Wang did not want to re-injure his waist and Maze has not been in form yet just coming out of injury. Wang's forehand was so weak, and Maze was so impatient with the games.
Posted By: Jonan
Date Posted: 03/23/2011 at 5:10pm
PongPong wrote:
Wang Hao vs Maze match is not exciting at all, maybe because Wang did not want to re-injure his waist and Maze has not been in form yet just coming out of injury. Wang's forehand was so weak, and Maze was so impatient with the games.
Yeah, watching the actual match was fairly boring, but it made for a good highlight reel, youtube video with all his crazy attempts against a pretty passive Wang Hao who just let him go for it over and over.
Posted By: ejmaster
Date Posted: 03/23/2011 at 6:13pm
I think it was good to see maze playing again. He is in good shape. His game is very particular.
But he has to improve to be competitive at the highest level. He needs to move faster.
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Posted By: JimT
Date Posted: 03/23/2011 at 6:50pm
PongPong wrote:
Wang Hao vs Maze match is not exciting at all, maybe because Wang did not want to re-injure his waist and Maze has not been in form yet just coming out of injury. Wang's forehand was so weak, and Maze was so impatient with the games.
I think it's not his wrist but his back... Maze was also pretty slow.
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Posted By: PongPong
Date Posted: 03/23/2011 at 7:36pm
JimT wrote:
PongPong wrote:
Wang Hao vs Maze match is not exciting at all, maybe because Wang did not want to re-injure his waist and Maze has not been in form yet just coming out of injury. Wang's forehand was so weak, and Maze was so impatient with the games.
I think it's not his wrist but his back... Maze was also pretty slow.
I said "waist" (the lower back).
Posted By: emir24
Date Posted: 03/23/2011 at 7:48pm
The fantastic match Timo Boll VS. Jun Mizutani is now online
I am downloading and will start with the upload as soon as possible (in ca. 30 minutes)
Everybody who has not watched this live let me tell you that it is a MUST-SEE match
Super-high level of play. One of the best matches of 2011. Both players are superb
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Posted By: DeIgado
Date Posted: 03/23/2011 at 7:48pm
ejmaster wrote:
I think it was good to see maze playing again. He is in good shape. His game is very particular.
But he has to improve to be competitive at the highest level. He needs to move faster.
I agree it is good to see him playing, but he is in no way in good shape. He didn't have good footwork before his injury and it seems the knee injury set him back even more. He looked incredibly stiff compared to a year ago. Honestly, if he played as good as he was last year he would've beaten wang hao because wang hao didn't play well at all.
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Posted By: ejmaster
Date Posted: 03/23/2011 at 8:23pm
DeIgado wrote:
ejmaster wrote:
I think it was good to see maze playing again. He is in good shape. His game is very particular.
But he has to improve to be competitive at the highest level. He needs to move faster.
I agree it is good to see him playing, but he is in no way in good shape. He didn't have good footwork before his injury and it seems the knee injury set him back even more. He looked incredibly stiff compared to a year ago. Honestly, if he played as good as he was last year he would've beaten wang hao because wang hao didn't play well at all.
when i say he is in good shape i am refering to the injury circumstances he had. he is not at peak form at all but it does not seem he is handicaped by injury. It seems he has just to increase training.
anyway even at the form in the past he has to keep improving. not enough yet.
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Posted By: Jonan
Date Posted: 03/23/2011 at 9:55pm
lol, noticed in the video section on ittv they have Li Jiao listed as "CHN" lol.
Posted By: u47108
Date Posted: 03/24/2011 at 12:13am
RMVB Bokett:
Wang hao v/s Michael Maze
http://down.bokett.com/vi/2011/2011032304.rmvb
Jun mizutani v/s chuang chih-yuang
http://down.bokett.com/vi/2011/2011032303.rmvb
Jiang Huajun v/s Fukuhara Ai
http://down.bokett.com/vi/2011/2011032301.rmvb
Fukuhara Ai v/s Li Xiaoxia
http://down.bokett.com/vi/2011/2011032305.rmvb
Posted By: cool_natja
Date Posted: 03/24/2011 at 1:39am
@ u47108: thanks for the link and welcome to the forum !
Posted By: ejmaster
Date Posted: 03/24/2011 at 6:32am
As forecasted, Samsonov beat Joo. He is a black beast to defenders with steady topspin. I remember Samsonov when in Manchester 1997 wttc beats Ding Song who was at that time in peak form.
Unfortunately for him he faces wang hao who has always been a nemesis for him and this time again.
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Posted By: riker71
Date Posted: 03/24/2011 at 8:05am
ejmaster wrote:
Unfortunately for him he faces wang hao who has always been a nemesis for him and this time again.
He lost 4-0 to WH
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Posted By: ChichoFicho
Date Posted: 03/24/2011 at 8:15am
No mayor of Guangzhou this year.
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Posted By: pavilion
Date Posted: 03/24/2011 at 8:32am
When is the men's final?
Posted By: dmras
Date Posted: 03/24/2011 at 8:41am
Janus, thanks a lot! Hope you'll add Boll - Mizutani and final.
Posted By: vader555
Date Posted: 03/24/2011 at 9:45am
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Posted By: riker71
Date Posted: 03/24/2011 at 11:55am
Good match. Congrats to WH. The question of whether WH serve is legal or not is a good one. Throwing ball way to the side and shielding the ball at point of contact? What is certain is that there are a number of players getting away with dubious serves, nothing will get done about it until the opponent complains or umpires start to enforce the rules. Also, I guess the players must think it is ok otherwise they or their coach would complain. It would be funny to see Boll getting angry and kicking up a stink in front of thousands of Chinese in their own backyard!
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Posted By: Nerix
Date Posted: 03/24/2011 at 12:34pm
Posted By: takaaki
Date Posted: 03/24/2011 at 2:05pm
a few impressions...
despite the injury, i actually thought maze looked good. i honestly think it woulda been a closer match if maze were 100%, though wang woulda still won. i hate to say it, but i doubt he'll ever recover from that injury... so, expect him to be walking like chen weixing from now on...
fukuhara ai... i think her problem is "size." in table tennis (as elsewhere), "size matters!" and i think she's just simply too short. and she knows it, which is why she stands so close to the table. the problem for her, thought, is that the chinese also know it, so they basically set her up so they can rip a ball out wide to her FH. fully outstretched, she generally is nowhere near to getting that shot back.
she really needs to back up from the table, but if she does that, she'll give up too much ground on the FH and they'll burn her there again and again. so that's why, tactically, she's so BH-centric, cuz she knows she's too short to effectively cover both wings.
wang hao... he is just INCREDIBLE!! timo wrote a post in his blog last week, saying that he was basically a man-on-a-mission. well, he played well, but wang just went out and seized that match away from him.
and that was a "statement" match. look what he did tactically in the last 2 games. he stood on the FH and served the ball mid-distance to timo's FH. now, that, for timo, as for most people on the planet, would be a "gimme" serve, y'know, a ball that's just gets ripped silly for a winner and that's what timo did--he ripped the ball to wang's BH. but wang just jumped out and counter-ripped it back for a winner. and when timo went to the FH, wang just ripped that one back for a winner, too, and so on, and so forth...
and therein lies the "statement." there's basically no safe place on the table for timo (or anyone else in the world) to go. everywhere he goes, no matter what he does, his balls (as well as everyone else's) just get ripped back, with interest.
Posted By: Jeff(ATTC)
Date Posted: 03/24/2011 at 2:44pm
takaaki wrote:
a few impressions...
despite the injury, i actually thought maze looked good. i honestly think it woulda been a closer match if maze were 100%, though wang woulda still won. i hate to say it, but i doubt he'll ever recover from that injury... so, expect him to be walking like chen weixing from now on...
fukuhara ai... i think her problem is "size." in table tennis (as elsewhere), "size matters!" and i think she's just simply too short. and she knows it, which is why she stands so close to the table. the problem for her, thought, is that the chinese also know it, so they basically set her up so they can rip a ball out wide to her FH. fully outstretched, she generally is nowhere near to getting that shot back.
she really needs to back up from the table, but if she does that, she'll give up too much ground on the FH and they'll burn her there again and again. so that's why, tactically, she's so BH-centric, cuz she knows she's too short to effectively cover both wings.
wang hao... he is just INCREDIBLE!! timo wrote a post in his blog last week, saying that he was basically a man-on-a-mission. well, he played well, but wang just went out and seized that match away from him.
and that was a "statement" match. look what he did tactically in the last 2 games. he stood on the FH and served the ball mid-distance to timo's FH. now, that, for timo, as for most people on the planet, would be a "gimme" serve, y'know, a ball that's just gets ripped silly for a winner and that's what timo did--he ripped the ball to wang's BH. but wang just jumped out and counter-ripped it back for a winner. and when timo went to the FH, wang just ripped that one back for a winner, too, and so on, and so forth...
and therein lies the "statement." there's basically no safe place on the table for timo (or anyone else in the world) to go. everywhere he goes, no matter what he does, his balls (as well as everyone else's) just get ripped back, with interest.
Maze looked real good. I think he could take the Chinese if he gets back to 100%. Deng Yaping; one of the shortest and most dominant forces in table tennis?
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Posted By: Leatherback
Date Posted: 03/24/2011 at 4:21pm
takaaki wrote:
a few impressions...
despite the injury, i actually thought maze looked good. i honestly think it woulda been a closer match if maze were 100%, though wang woulda still won. i hate to say it, but i doubt he'll ever recover from that injury... so, expect him to be walking like chen weixing from now on...
fukuhara ai... i think her problem is "size." in table tennis (as elsewhere), "size matters!" and i think she's just simply too short. and she knows it, which is why she stands so close to the table. the problem for her, thought, is that the chinese also know it, so they basically set her up so they can rip a ball out wide to her FH. fully outstretched, she generally is nowhere near to getting that shot back.
she really needs to back up from the table, but if she does that, she'll give up too much ground on the FH and they'll burn her there again and again. so that's why, tactically, she's so BH-centric, cuz she knows she's too short to effectively cover both wings.
wang hao... he is just INCREDIBLE!! timo wrote a post in his blog last week, saying that he was basically a man-on-a-mission. well, he played well, but wang just went out and seized that match away from him.
and that was a "statement" match. look what he did tactically in the last 2 games. he stood on the FH and served the ball mid-distance to timo's FH. now, that, for timo, as for most people on the planet, would be a "gimme" serve, y'know, a ball that's just gets ripped silly for a winner and that's what timo did--he ripped the ball to wang's BH. but wang just jumped out and counter-ripped it back for a winner. and when timo went to the FH, wang just ripped that one back for a winner, too, and so on, and so forth...
and therein lies the "statement." there's basically no safe place on the table for timo (or anyone else in the world) to go. everywhere he goes, no matter what he does, his balls (as well as everyone else's) just get ripped back, with interest.
she also stands close to the table because of her medium pips....
Wang Hao - Timo Boll http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeYljxEtHU4 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeYljxEtHU4
And here's the amazing switch from Timo Boll to his right hand in his semifinal against Jun Mizutani http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_p8jNOs8ets - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_p8jNOs8ets
Posted By: takaaki
Date Posted: 03/24/2011 at 5:27pm
Leatherback wrote:
takaaki wrote:
a few impressions...
despite the injury, i actually thought maze looked good. i honestly think it woulda been a closer match if maze were 100%, though wang woulda still won. i hate to say it, but i doubt he'll ever recover from that injury... so, expect him to be walking like chen weixing from now on...
fukuhara ai... i think her problem is "size." in table tennis (as elsewhere), "size matters!" and i think she's just simply too short. and she knows it, which is why she stands so close to the table. the problem for her, thought, is that the chinese also know it, so they basically set her up so they can rip a ball out wide to her FH. fully outstretched, she generally is nowhere near to getting that shot back.
she really needs to back up from the table, but if she does that, she'll give up too much ground on the FH and they'll burn her there again and again. so that's why, tactically, she's so BH-centric, cuz she knows she's too short to effectively cover both wings.
wang hao... he is just INCREDIBLE!! timo wrote a post in his blog last week, saying that he was basically a man-on-a-mission. well, he played well, but wang just went out and seized that match away from him.
and that was a "statement" match. look what he did tactically in the last 2 games. he stood on the FH and served the ball mid-distance to timo's FH. now, that, for timo, as for most people on the planet, would be a "gimme" serve, y'know, a ball that's just gets ripped silly for a winner and that's what timo did--he ripped the ball to wang's BH. but wang just jumped out and counter-ripped it back for a winner. and when timo went to the FH, wang just ripped that one back for a winner, too, and so on, and so forth...
and therein lies the "statement." there's basically no safe place on the table for timo (or anyone else in the world) to go. everywhere he goes, no matter what he does, his balls (as well as everyone else's) just get ripped back, with interest.
she also stands close to the table because of her medium pips....
yes, that's true, too...
Posted By: popperlocker
Date Posted: 03/24/2011 at 6:31pm
takaaki wrote:
Leatherback wrote:
takaaki wrote:
a few impressions...
despite the injury, i actually thought maze looked good. i honestly think it woulda been a closer match if maze were 100%, though wang woulda still won. i hate to say it, but i doubt he'll ever recover from that injury... so, expect him to be walking like chen weixing from now on...
fukuhara ai... i think her problem is "size." in table tennis (as elsewhere), "size matters!" and i think she's just simply too short. and she knows it, which is why she stands so close to the table. the problem for her, thought, is that the chinese also know it, so they basically set her up so they can rip a ball out wide to her FH. fully outstretched, she generally is nowhere near to getting that shot back.
she really needs to back up from the table, but if she does that, she'll give up too much ground on the FH and they'll burn her there again and again. so that's why, tactically, she's so BH-centric, cuz she knows she's too short to effectively cover both wings.
wang hao... he is just INCREDIBLE!! timo wrote a post in his blog last week, saying that he was basically a man-on-a-mission. well, he played well, but wang just went out and seized that match away from him.
and that was a "statement" match. look what he did tactically in the last 2 games. he stood on the FH and served the ball mid-distance to timo's FH. now, that, for timo, as for most people on the planet, would be a "gimme" serve, y'know, a ball that's just gets ripped silly for a winner and that's what timo did--he ripped the ball to wang's BH. but wang just jumped out and counter-ripped it back for a winner. and when timo went to the FH, wang just ripped that one back for a winner, too, and so on, and so forth...
and therein lies the "statement." there's basically no safe place on the table for timo (or anyone else in the world) to go. everywhere he goes, no matter what he does, his balls (as well as everyone else's) just get ripped back, with interest.
she also stands close to the table because of her medium pips....
yes, that's true, too...
I thought differently when I saw those serves. It seemed to be more tactical. 1st serve timo was not expecting it and missed it. 2nd one he knows timo is going to get it back, and prepares himself for a counter, which catches timo off guard again. I think those serves can be attacked, but not attacked hard.
Posted By: TTNoobie
Date Posted: 03/24/2011 at 7:55pm
As far as Fukuhara's height is concerned, i don't think Liu Shiwen is any taller, she's also kinda chubby which limits her mobility Weak forehand and inconsistant backhand are her biggest weakness IMO.
I think in the future, Ishikawa will be giving the Chinese problems, her game looks good.
Posted By: amateur
Date Posted: 03/24/2011 at 7:59pm
takaaki wrote:
fukuhara ai... i think her problem is "size." in table tennis (as elsewhere), "size matters!" and i think she's just simply too short.
Yes, that's also what they told the girl who turned into the greatest female player of all time: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qf9uSTgqHgE - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qf9uSTgqHgE
Posted By: PongPong
Date Posted: 03/24/2011 at 8:54pm
fortran2003 wrote:
Is Wang hao's service legal?
from the 4th set, WangHao stood to the table's right side when serving,
Timo Boll can't see his service , then crashed.
In my opinion of view ,TB is the champion tonight.
What an excuse! I did not see Timo had problem receiving WH's serves. I am a Chinese but always like ome non-Chinese like Timo win something here and there to make this sport more competitive. But I have to admit it, Timo is a big time choker. No excuse, please.
Posted By: riker71
Date Posted: 03/24/2011 at 9:16pm
It was quite a turnaround from Boll winning 3rd game 11-5 to losing the 4th 11-4. He didnt choke, I think the main reason was that Wang Hao could raise his game, Boll could not quite match it on this occasion
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Posted By: fortran2003
Date Posted: 03/24/2011 at 9:26pm
I'm Chinese too.
I really hope that Ma Lin, WangHao, XuXin cat beat TB without illegal services .
Posted By: roundrobin
Date Posted: 03/24/2011 at 9:57pm
fortran2003 wrote:
I'm Chinese too.
I really hope that Ma Lin, WangHao, XuXin cat beat TB without illegal services .
That's weak. You think their serves are illegal but the receiver and the umpires did not think so. What makes your opinion worth more? Your assertion is ridiculous.
Posted By: PongPong
Date Posted: 03/24/2011 at 10:06pm
riker71 wrote:
It was quite a turnaround from Boll winning 3rd game 11-5 to losing the 4th 11-4. He didnt choke, I think the main reason was that Wang Hao could raise his game, Boll could not quite match it on this occasion
When I said Timo is a big time choker, I meant he usually played extremely well before the finals but in the finals he could not stand up to the challenges and failed to raise his game to another notch.
Posted By: takaaki
Date Posted: 03/25/2011 at 12:28am
amateur wrote:
takaaki wrote:
fukuhara ai... i think her problem is "size." in table tennis (as elsewhere), "size matters!" and i think she's just simply too short.
Yes, that's also what they told the girl who turned into the greatest female player of all time: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qf9uSTgqHgE - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qf9uSTgqHgE
i didn't watch the vid, but i assume you're talkin' 'bout deng yaping. well, i'm sure if fukuhara ai could get into a time machine and go back to when deng was at the top of her game, she would be around her level. so, i guess we'll have to agree to disagree on that.
anyhow, today is a new day, and short people like that are just not gonna make it to the top and stay there, not even liu shiwen and she's the very best short female player, ever!! the players are much better now and the bigger ball is a looper's dream.
oh, and as for the best female ever, it would have to be zhang yining, without a doubt!!
and, yeah, i don't expect you to agree with that one either...
Posted By: takaaki
Date Posted: 03/25/2011 at 12:48am
PongPong wrote:
fortran2003 wrote:
Is Wang hao's service legal?
from the 4th set, WangHao stood to the table's right side when serving,
Timo Boll can't see his service , then crashed.
In my opinion of view ,TB is the champion tonight.
What an excuse! I did not see Timo had problem receiving WH's serves. I am a Chinese but always like ome non-Chinese like Timo win something here and there to make this sport more competitive. But I have to admit it, Timo is a big time choker. No excuse, please.
timo is NOT a choker. he's just getting beaten by better players, period.
and he's not losing, cuz the serve might be a little hidden, or cuz the toss might not be straight up enough in the air. he's losing, cuz those guys just better.
the people he beats routinely don't serve legally, yet he wins anyway.
the illegality that you (imagine you) see on the serves at that level is not an issue for top players, not at all.
timo boll is ranked no. 1 in the world, but he, plain and simple, is NOT the best player in the world. the chinese top-6 (not sure about chen qi anymore) are better, period. the games speak for themselves.
Posted By: u47108
Date Posted: 03/25/2011 at 1:08am
Videos RMVB bokett.com:
Wang Hao v/s Timo Boll Final
http://down.bokett.com/vi/2011/2011032308.rmvb
Wo jiao v/s Li Xiaoxia
http://down.bokett.com/vi/2011/2011032307.rmvb
Timo Boll v/s Jun Mizutani Semi Final
http://down.bokett.com/vi/2011/2011032306.rmvb
Shen Yanfei (ESP) v/s Li Xiaoxia (CHN)
http://down.bokett.com/vi/2011/2011032302.rmvb
Exhibicion
http://down.bokett.com/vi/2011/2011032504.rmvb
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Posted By: Fruit loop
Date Posted: 03/25/2011 at 1:31am
takaaki wrote:
PongPong wrote:
fortran2003 wrote:
Is Wang hao's service legal?
from the 4th set, WangHao stood to the table's right side when serving,
Timo Boll can't see his service , then crashed.
In my opinion of view ,TB is the champion tonight.
What an excuse! I did not see Timo had problem receiving WH's serves. I am a Chinese but always like ome non-Chinese like Timo win something here and there to make this sport more competitive. But I have to admit it, Timo is a big time choker. No excuse, please.
timo is NOT a choker. he's just getting beaten by better players, period.
and he's not losing, cuz the serve might be a little hidden, or cuz the toss might not be straight up enough in the air. he's losing, cuz those guys just better.
the people he beats routinely don't serve legally, yet he wins anyway.
the illegality that you (imagine you) see on the serves at that level is not an issue for top players, not at all.
timo boll is ranked no. 1 in the world, but he, plain and simple, is NOT the best player in the world. the chinese top-6 (not sure about chen qi anymore) are better, period. the games speak for themselves.
Timo boll is on the same level as the other chinese save ma long, wang hao and xu xin.
------------- Timo Boll Spirit FL
Dr Evil ox both sides.
Posted By: riker71
Date Posted: 03/25/2011 at 1:46am
agree with above but would suggest add Z.Jike to that list. I would rank Boll 5th at present
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Posted By: Rainer87
Date Posted: 03/25/2011 at 2:00am
takaaki wrote:
PongPong wrote:
fortran2003 wrote:
Is Wang hao's service legal?
from the 4th set, WangHao stood to the table's right side when serving,
Timo Boll can't see his service , then crashed.
In my opinion of view ,TB is the champion tonight.
What an excuse! I did not see Timo had problem receiving WH's serves. I am a Chinese but always like ome non-Chinese like Timo win something here and there to make this sport more competitive. But I have to admit it, Timo is a big time choker. No excuse, please.
timo is NOT a choker. he's just getting beaten by better players, period.
and he's not losing, cuz the serve might be a little hidden, or cuz the toss might not be straight up enough in the air. he's losing, cuz those guys just better.
the people he beats routinely don't serve legally, yet he wins anyway.
the illegality that you (imagine you) see on the serves at that level is not an issue for top players, not at all.
timo boll is ranked no. 1 in the world, but he, plain and simple, is NOT the best player in the world. the chinese top-6 (not sure about chen qi anymore) are better, period. the games speak for themselves.
Who are these better players? All guys to who he has lost, he has beaten as well. In the top they are all evenly matched, stop this ridiculous topic, that Boll is ranked 1 by some kind of XXX (ridiculous) reason. All matches that he has lost have been all very tight, as well as last one with Wang Hao, period.
Choker, for what reason? Look at his medal record. Two times World Cup winner and so on, period.
Posted By: Rainer87
Date Posted: 03/25/2011 at 2:13am
I would like to add, that you cant say or make a list who is in your opinion best five or ten or what ever, look at the ranking. Or if you are talking about at very present, then at the moment by last tournament Wang Hao is nr 1 and Timo is nr 2 in the world, others who didn't participate don't count, because they were at home making sandwiches or something.
riker71 Who are those 4 who in you opinion are better than Timo at the moment?
Posted By: riker71
Date Posted: 03/25/2011 at 2:23am
Hi Rainer, Boll is a great player, but I would not say he is better than Wang Hao, Ma Long, Xu Xin, ZJK. He has been very consistent though, reaching finals of Last 2 pro tour and VW Cup. In those pro tour finals He lost to Xu Xin and ZJK 4-0 who both played out of their skin. Boll has chance to beat the top Chinese no doubt but has to be 100% and that is hard to maintain match after match against the Chinese.
------------- Stratus Powerwood FH T05 BH T25
Posted By: Rainer87
Date Posted: 03/25/2011 at 2:55am
To Wang Hao, Xu Xin and ZJK he has lost recently, but with Ma Long in my memory he played last time in Moscow, where Timo beat him 3:2, from being 0:2 down, Timo and choker, come on. In Qatar Timo beat ZJK.
In my opinion, if all players where at their best, then I would put my money on Ma Long, other places I wouldnt predict. I like all players, no matter where are they from.
Posted By: janus700
Date Posted: 03/25/2011 at 6:11am
dmras wrote:
Janus, thanks a lot! Hope you'll add Boll - Mizutani and final.
The Playlist on Youtube with All available (men+women) Full matches is now complete :
### Playlist of FullMatches :: Volkswagen 2011 Cup
Posted By: rustyfo
Date Posted: 03/25/2011 at 9:46am
Timo needs to do multiball practise with some competent player who can imitate WH's BH-flip - WH instantly gains momentum and control as soon as he lands a couple of BH-flips, because Timo is just completely unable to put any pressure on the next loop.
------------- Blade: Tibhar Samsonov Alpha
FH: Tenergy 05
BH: Acuda S1
Posted By: takaaki
Date Posted: 03/25/2011 at 9:51am
rustyfo wrote:
Timo needs to do multiball practise with some competent player who can imitate WH's BH-flip...
hahahahahaha!! now, that's hilarious!! like who?? who do you suggest? maybe you should send an e-mail to timo. i'm sure he'll consider that helpful...
Posted By: kumn812
Date Posted: 03/25/2011 at 9:54am
janus700 wrote:
dmras wrote:
Janus, thanks a lot! Hope you'll add Boll - Mizutani and final.
The Playlist on Youtube with All available (men+women) Full matches is now complete :
### Playlist of FullMatches :: Volkswagen 2011 Cup
Posted By: takaaki
Date Posted: 03/25/2011 at 9:55am
Rainer87 wrote:
takaaki wrote:
PongPong wrote:
fortran2003 wrote:
Is Wang hao's service legal?
from the 4th set, WangHao stood to the table's right side when serving,
Timo Boll can't see his service , then crashed.
In my opinion of view ,TB is the champion tonight.
What an excuse! I did not see Timo had problem receiving WH's serves. I am a Chinese but always like ome non-Chinese like Timo win something here and there to make this sport more competitive. But I have to admit it, Timo is a big time choker. No excuse, please.
timo is NOT a choker. he's just getting beaten by better players, period.
and he's not losing, cuz the serve might be a little hidden, or cuz the toss might not be straight up enough in the air. he's losing, cuz those guys just better.
the people he beats routinely don't serve legally, yet he wins anyway.
the illegality that you (imagine you) see on the serves at that level is not an issue for top players, not at all.
timo boll is ranked no. 1 in the world, but he, plain and simple, is NOT the best player in the world. the chinese top-6 (not sure about chen qi anymore) are better, period. the games speak for themselves.
All matches that he has lost have been all very tight, as well as last one with Wang Hao, period.
yes, most people on the planet consider a 4-2 loss to be tight, for sure. and, by golly, 4-zip is tighter still...
Posted By: takaaki
Date Posted: 03/25/2011 at 10:02am
Fruit loop wrote:
takaaki wrote:
PongPong wrote:
fortran2003 wrote:
Is Wang hao's service legal?
from the 4th set, WangHao stood to the table's right side when serving,
Timo Boll can't see his service , then crashed.
In my opinion of view ,TB is the champion tonight.
What an excuse! I did not see Timo had problem receiving WH's serves. I am a Chinese but always like ome non-Chinese like Timo win something here and there to make this sport more competitive. But I have to admit it, Timo is a big time choker. No excuse, please.
timo is NOT a choker. he's just getting beaten by better players, period.
and he's not losing, cuz the serve might be a little hidden, or cuz the toss might not be straight up enough in the air. he's losing, cuz those guys just better.
the people he beats routinely don't serve legally, yet he wins anyway.
the illegality that you (imagine you) see on the serves at that level is not an issue for top players, not at all.
timo boll is ranked no. 1 in the world, but he, plain and simple, is NOT the best player in the world. the chinese top-6 (not sure about chen qi anymore) are better, period. the games speak for themselves.
Timo boll is on the same level as the other chinese save ma long, wang hao and xu xin.
yes, of course, i've always considered myself on the same level with people i lose 3-1, 4-2, 4-zip to.
and, even if they have a winning record against me, who cares?? we're still even!!!
Posted By: rustyfo
Date Posted: 03/25/2011 at 10:11am
takaaki wrote:
rustyfo wrote:
Timo needs to do multiball practise with some competent player who can imitate WH's BH-flip...
hahahahahaha!! now, that's hilarious!! like who?? who do you suggest? maybe you should send an e-mail to timo. i'm sure he'll consider that helpful...
Have you ever done multiball?
It's quite a lot easier to pull off a flip if you are standing next to the net and only have to focus on putting maximum spin on the ball, rather than also dealing with footwork/timing/spinreading and all the other things WH needs to think about when doing a flip.
Any pro player with a decent wrist should be able to do this.
------------- Blade: Tibhar Samsonov Alpha
FH: Tenergy 05
BH: Acuda S1
Posted By: takaaki
Date Posted: 03/25/2011 at 10:23am
hahaha!! are you trying to say that all of the players timo is practicing with now have "bad" wrists--that they're all limp-wristed homos??
or maybe since timo has been just pounding them silly of late, they all have either strained, or worse, broken wrists, so he's in desperate need of replacements...
Posted By: Sallom89
Date Posted: 03/25/2011 at 10:30am
rustyfo wrote:
takaaki wrote:
rustyfo wrote:
Timo needs to do multiball practise with some competent player who can imitate WH's BH-flip...
hahahahahaha!! now, that's hilarious!! like who?? who do you suggest? maybe you should send an e-mail to timo. i'm sure he'll consider that helpful...
Have you ever done multiball?
It's quite a lot easier to pull off a flip if you are standing next to the net and only have to focus on putting maximum spin on the ball, rather than also dealing with footwork/timing/spinreading and all the other things WH needs to think about when doing a flip.
Any pro player with a decent wrist should be able to do this.
I don't mind doing that for Timo with my RPB for no cost lol :P
------------- Member of Wang Hao fan club.
Hurricane Hao III
FH: Thors
RPB: Omega Pro
Posted By: takaaki
Date Posted: 03/25/2011 at 10:51am
come on!! do you seriously wanna help timo beat your idol, wang hao??
Posted By: mhnh007
Date Posted: 03/25/2011 at 11:07am
takaaki wrote:
come on!! do you seriously wanna help timo beat your idol, wang hao??
No. That's why he will do it at no charge .
Posted By: takaaki
Date Posted: 03/25/2011 at 11:36am
haha!! good one!
Posted By: ZingyDNA
Date Posted: 03/25/2011 at 11:47am
rustyfo wrote:
It's quite a lot easier to pull off a flip if you are standing next to the net and only have to focus on putting maximum spin on the ball, rather than also dealing with footwork/timing/spinreading and all the other things WH needs to think about when doing a flip.
Any pro player with a decent wrist should be able to do this.
While this is true, I don't think it will quite help Timo. I heard a Chinese coach say Wang Hao is the only PH player whose RPB is good enough to open on any balls, including the tightest double-bouncers over the table, if he gets into position. Even if Timo do multiball practice against that RPB flip, that just makes him a little better WHEN DEFENDING. So he's still in a bad situation once WH opens with his RPB, because there's no telling where he'll put the ball..
Posted By: Sallom89
Date Posted: 03/25/2011 at 12:17pm
mhnh007 wrote:
takaaki wrote:
come on!! do you seriously wanna help timo beat your idol, wang hao??
No. That's why he will do it at no charge .
LOL!! he wont beat him anyway! I'll be there to learn from Timo (6) :p
------------- Member of Wang Hao fan club.
Hurricane Hao III
FH: Thors
RPB: Omega Pro
Posted By: rustyfo
Date Posted: 03/25/2011 at 1:42pm
takaaki wrote:
hahaha!! are you trying to say that all of the players timo is
practicing with now have "bad" wrists--that they're all limp-wristed
homos??
or maybe since timo has been just pounding them silly of
late, they all have either strained, or worse, broken wrists, so he's in
desperate need of replacements...
You're an idiot...
ZingyDNA wrote:
rustyfo wrote:
It's quite a lot easier to pull off a flip if you are standing next to the net and only have to focus on putting maximum spin on the ball, rather than also dealing with footwork/timing/spinreading and all the other things WH needs to think about when doing a flip.
Any pro player with a decent wrist should be able to do this.
While this is true, I don't think it will quite help Timo. I heard a Chinese coach say Wang Hao is the only PH player whose RPB is good enough to open on any balls, including the tightest double-bouncers over the table, if he gets into position. Even if Timo do multiball practice against that RPB flip, that just makes him a little better WHEN DEFENDING. So he's still in a bad situation once WH opens with his RPB, because there's no telling where he'll put the ball..
You are obviously correct that it's not easy feat, however if Timo could just manage to counter the flip well enough to get into a 50/50 rally, or even 40/60 that would be plenty. At the moment he just puts no pressure on the ball and after all it is a flip, not a loop-kill, so it has to be possible.