Zhang Jike loop.
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Topic: Zhang Jike loop.
Posted By: Anton Chigurh
Subject: Zhang Jike loop.
Date Posted: 07/25/2011 at 1:10pm
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A friend and fellow MYTT forum member posted this today on Facebook. He is a wise and kind person, and definitely not an a-hole of any sort in any venue. I hope I'm not "stealing his thunder" by posting it here, but I figured some people would enjoy it. ------------- Neo H3 40D| Offensive S | Tenergy 80 |
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Posted By: mudr.nudl
Date Posted: 07/25/2011 at 2:28pm
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thx
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Posted By: racquetsforsale
Date Posted: 07/25/2011 at 4:36pm
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Great video and thanks for posting.
Looks like it was shot in hi-def and with high fps. Wish the conversion process didn't drop so many frames though.
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Posted By: racquetsforsale
Date Posted: 07/25/2011 at 4:39pm
| Those are some huge legs! To the "Hamtractor." |
Posted By: JBurn244
Date Posted: 07/25/2011 at 4:40pm
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Very nice. ------------- Donic Persson Powerplay Tenergy 80-FX Donic Acuda P2 |
Posted By: Tinykin_2
Date Posted: 07/25/2011 at 6:53pm
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He lowered his bat to about 6 inches off the floor in a couple of those loops. ------------- Member of Single Ply Club. Shakehand, Kauri wood by American Hinoki, 1-ply 7mm. FH> Gambler Reflectoid. BH> Yasaka Mark V |
Posted By: TheRobot99
Date Posted: 07/25/2011 at 7:26pm
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Tinykin_2 wrote:Posted By: ebah
Date Posted: 07/25/2011 at 7:31pm
| that‘s for chopper。。。little differ as normal |
Posted By: amateur
Date Posted: 07/25/2011 at 8:01pm
| This video is to accompany Wei Wang's analysis in the August issue of the USATT magazine, could be an interesting read. |
Posted By: chronos
Date Posted: 07/27/2011 at 12:45am
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beastly, my friend is a chopper and whenever we train together, my friends tell me I don't bend my left leg enough when looping (I'm lefty) you gotta get low! The ball never drops when ZJ is looping, this is a good innovation! Fatt I think Wei and Diego are married! A TT couple |
Posted By: bbkon
Date Posted: 07/27/2011 at 2:04am
the technique for playing against LP is hitting at the top of the bounce |
Posted By: Anton Chigurh
Date Posted: 07/27/2011 at 2:09am
Crazy... I just noticed that, with the exception of one shot, ZJK dips in almost perfect synchrony with every incoming ball. As the ball drops, so does he. As soon as it hits the table, he initiates the shot by driving with the legs. If that's pretty typical then it seems that it would be a good, simple coaching tool. Tell your students: Bounce with the ball!  ------------- Neo H3 40D| Offensive S | Tenergy 80 |
Posted By: JBurn244
Date Posted: 07/27/2011 at 8:49am
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Wow that is a good little tip. Something easy to keep in the back of you mind as you are playing.
Would that technique be applicable for all shots you are trying to loop (ie underspin topspin, push, etc)? I've heard before that hitting at the top of the bounce is a good rule of thumb, but would be interested in learning the variations of that depending on the incoming shot.
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Posted By: racquetsforsale
Date Posted: 07/27/2011 at 12:32pm
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When powerlooping underspin with a larger forward component in the swing, it's essential to hit around the apex of the bounce (very shortly before, at, or very shortly after), otherwise the ball will go into the net due to the lower trajectory. ZJK hits a powerloop @ 0:53 in the video. In general, the more offensively you're looping, and that includes counterlooping, the more you want to time your contact around the apex. Risk increases accordingly depending on the incoming shot. When looping neutrally or defensively, you can contact the ball after the apex, early or in the middle of the descent phase. Avoid hitting late in the descent phase though, unless you intend to hit some sort of trick shot. |
Posted By: Anton Chigurh
Date Posted: 07/27/2011 at 4:22pm
That's funny! ....com/tt/bouncewiththeball.html  Both my wife and I would like to make it to Seattle sometime soon--her because she's been there many times and loves it, me because I've never been there. I wouldn't presume to burden you with my pets, but I may indeed take you up on your generous offer of a guest room... some day... but I don't know when. But thanks for the offer! ------------- Neo H3 40D| Offensive S | Tenergy 80 |
.Posted By: Stoi
Date Posted: 07/27/2011 at 6:28pm
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That's an interesting an weird video... he lost the point! Seriously, the most important i noticed, apart the muscles of his feet, is the right foot - right arm simplicity at his topspin. I am moving almost all my body and get the half result. Nice video. |
Posted By: bbkon
Date Posted: 07/29/2011 at 3:28am
zjk still cant emulate kong's efortless playing |
Posted By: dingyibvs
Date Posted: 07/29/2011 at 4:46am
It's possible that effortless playing can no longer win you a world championship now though. ------------- Blade: Hurricane Long 5 (968) FL FH: D09C max BH: D09C max |
Posted By: TheRobot99
Date Posted: 07/29/2011 at 6:14am
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Posted By: racquetsforsale
Date Posted: 07/29/2011 at 11:12am
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Is this video evidence of that? KLH does seem able to powerloop almost at will in the video and he's taking the ball very early. He's also moving the ball all over the table. Perhaps JSH is much improved now and the KLH then would not handle him so easily? |
Posted By: riker71
Date Posted: 07/29/2011 at 2:17pm
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Posted By: bbkon
Date Posted: 07/29/2011 at 4:01pm
i cant tell but but some kong's very powerful loops were performed with little backswing like pulling a trigger |
Posted By: Tinykin_2
Date Posted: 07/29/2011 at 4:16pm
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In Kong's day you didn't have to put in much effort for big shots. Speedglue with all kinds of funny chemicals plus the 38mm ball. ------------- Member of Single Ply Club. Shakehand, Kauri wood by American Hinoki, 1-ply 7mm. FH> Gambler Reflectoid. BH> Yasaka Mark V |
Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 12/15/2012 at 10:44pm
That particular video (2003 China Open) was with 40 mm ball (but with glue, and the funny chemicals now are just different, that's all. Blades are faster now). Also, if you watch the whole video you realize that (1) on some points Kong used a looping style essentially identical to the one used by ZJK on the ONE point shown in the amazing clip Anton posted, and (2) the JSH-KLH match was a classic and incredible battle. KLH did not in any sense handle JSH with ease. JSH was just coming off his amazing run at the Paris worlds, and the world at large did not yet have a whole lot of data and experience on how to play him. IMHO, ZJK and KLH are about as similar as two players can be in terms of their shot technique, and I see no evidence that ZJK is better in absolute terms. Both are greats, really all-time greats. |
Posted By: Benigma
Date Posted: 12/16/2012 at 12:55am
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I've noticed that when looping against topspin, Zjk has a very short back swing and also a relatively small follow-through and hence he is quite effective near the table because he can quickly recover. But when looping against backspin he brings his arm right down close to the floor along with his entire body so that when he swings up, the power he generates creates enough topspin to bring the ball over the net. He also does not need to worry about a quick recovery because playing against a chopper is not as fast paced as an attacker. I will concede that Zhang Jike has a very dangerous and effective technique..... but I don't like his attitude  |
Posted By: blahness
Date Posted: 12/16/2012 at 6:01am
he generates all the enormous power using his powerful quads, that's why he only needs minimal arm movement for his loops. Even his loop against underspin is much more compact than let's say Ma Long, WLQ or Xu Xin, but yet it is still really powerful. Same with the BH stroke. That's why table tennis players should train their legs heavily... ------------- ------- Viscaria FH: Hurricane 8-80 BH: D05 Back to normal shape bats :( |
Posted By: GoldenDragoon
Date Posted: 12/16/2012 at 7:03am
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One thing that stands out in kongs game against JSH is how often he allowed him to counter attack. Maybe there are differences these days but when ZJK plays JSH he gets very little chance to counter as he is pushed further and further back in every return he makes. Kong allowed him to be quite offensive in a lot of points. ------------- Blade: Nexy Spartacus FL 84g FH: Evolution FX-P Max Blk BH: Evolution EL-P 1.9 Red |
Posted By: blahness
Date Posted: 12/16/2012 at 7:30am
ZJK plays JSH like the way WLQ plays JSH, FH loop all the way...except ZJK is even more ambitious, he tries to be even more consistent than JSH, rather than overpower him (WLQ style). And surprisingly it works.... ------------- ------- Viscaria FH: Hurricane 8-80 BH: D05 Back to normal shape bats :( |
Posted By: GoldenDragoon
Date Posted: 12/16/2012 at 7:42am
Its simply exploiting the weakness of LP rubbers. As they rely on incoming spin he gives heavy topspin so they are reduced to defensive strokes and can't counter. As the attacker he can still hammer higher balls but the LP player can still only chop high balls rather than attack. If you can be consistent it is extremley hard for the LP player to do anything other than hope the attacker misses. ------------- Blade: Nexy Spartacus FL 84g FH: Evolution FX-P Max Blk BH: Evolution EL-P 1.9 Red |