BBC Clan (chat, reviews, etc)
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Topic: BBC Clan (chat, reviews, etc)
Posted By: JimT
Subject: BBC Clan (chat, reviews, etc)
Date Posted: 03/14/2012 at 11:43am
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This one will be dedicated to BBC brand which is also known to some of us as good old Charlie W. Smith, blade master extraordinaire Website: http://www.bladesbycharlie.com - www.bladesbycharlie.com Reviews: http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=33047&PID=407504 - Fiddler http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=32734 - 9-10-9 http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=33272 - All-Around http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=33189 - 1-Ply Cypress forum_posts.asp?TID=33247&KW=bbc+review&PID=407006&title=bbc-tri-flex-carbon#407006 - Triflex Carbon http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=33187&PN=1 - Anvil Custom models: http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=44760 - Ultima http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=47515 - Ultima Plus forum_posts.asp?TID=46033 - All-Around Obeche-Ayous http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=45969 - All-Around Black Walnut http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=33308 - 2-CarboFlex http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=45068 - Oversized Fiddler 3-ply #1 , http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=44306&PN=1 - #2 http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=33243 - Custom Hardbat by BBC Some chat: http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=48194 - Where's Charlie? http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=32357 - Original tester thread http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=44120 - general discussion Please feel free to drop a line, to ask a question or to share your opinions on BBC and Charlie's blades. ------------- Single Ply Hinoki Club, Founding Member Say "no!" to expensive table tennis equipment. Please... |
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Posted By: Carryboy
Date Posted: 03/14/2012 at 1:05pm
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Jimt, Charlie really needs to update his site!!!! About a year and a half ago we heard of a couple of new blades and concepts floating around this forum and then nothing.
------------- Spin Master Carbo Power (Stefan Elsner Custom) Donic Acuda S1 Max Donic Acuda P1 Blue Max |
Posted By: nathanso
Date Posted: 03/14/2012 at 1:13pm
40
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Posted By: Carryboy
Date Posted: 03/14/2012 at 1:20pm
Wow!!! that is impressive nathanso. Yes 40 big ones
------------- Spin Master Carbo Power (Stefan Elsner Custom) Donic Acuda S1 Max Donic Acuda P1 Blue Max |
Posted By: mhnh007
Date Posted: 03/14/2012 at 2:28pm
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I have the All Around with Attack2 shape and Flared handle. The blade is so balance, and the handle is big enough for my hand, and longer and any blade that I own. I think with Attack1 shape, the handle is even longer, so unless you have extra large hand, you don't need to order the extra long handle. I love BBC so much that I am in the process of getting Charlie to build me another All Around, but with 7-plies (W-O-3-ply-O-W). Charlie is building 1 right now, but he wants to test it first hand, and see if it's not too heavy, and playable, before he let me order one .
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Posted By: the_theologian
Date Posted: 03/14/2012 at 2:54pm
hip hip, hooray for Charlie!    ... a great blade maker and a swell guy. Thanks Charlie! p.s. sign me up in the BBC Clan as a 9-10-9 user. I'll post pics of my new one which is being made at this time. ------------- Appelgren Allplay ST / Vega Europe max |
Posted By: VictorK
Date Posted: 03/14/2012 at 5:21pm
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I "test drove" few of BBC blades in the past and have been thoroughly impressed with the quality of the quality and workmanship, as well as with Charlie personally. Too bad that the blades I tried didn't fit my preferences for an OFF/OFF- carbon blade that is relatively flexible, so it provides an equal balance between looping and hitting/blocking game .... until recently, when I received a prototype of his 7-7-7 blade utilizing thin ("1K") carbon, which appears to fit that bill perfectly, and I suspect it could become a real winner for Charlie, if he decides to to insert this model into his product lineup. ------------- 99% practice 1% equipment 0% ratings |
Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: 03/14/2012 at 5:34pm
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I just went through a rather lengthy trial and error process with Charlie (Charlie's trials and my errors for the most part) which resulted in a perfect blade for me, of which I now have two. Perhaps, I should dig through the e-mails I sent Charlie with my feedback on all the blades I tested in the process and post them here. ILya ------------- BTY Mazunov ST Dignics 05 |
Posted By: Carryboy
Date Posted: 03/14/2012 at 5:40pm
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That would be very interesting
------------- Spin Master Carbo Power (Stefan Elsner Custom) Donic Acuda S1 Max Donic Acuda P1 Blue Max |
Posted By: JimT
Date Posted: 03/14/2012 at 6:17pm
Ilya, could you decipher the name 3-P-F HD of your blade? Thanks, man! ------------- Single Ply Hinoki Club, Founding Member Say "no!" to expensive table tennis equipment. Please... |
koshkin wrote:Posted By: JimT
Date Posted: 03/14/2012 at 6:19pm
OMG... going green with envy  You crazy crazy collector... and lucky bastard at that!  ------------- Single Ply Hinoki Club, Founding Member Say "no!" to expensive table tennis equipment. Please... |
Posted By: JimT
Date Posted: 03/14/2012 at 6:21pm
That is true - but remember that a) Charlie himself is not a webmaster b) hiring someone to maintain the site would probably kill any glimpse of hope for BBC to be profitable c) I'd rather have Charlie work on (my!) blades than read up on Java/HTML etc and rebuild his website But there is still hope that some crazy enthusiast will donate his time to help Charlie and his fans... ------------- Single Ply Hinoki Club, Founding Member Say "no!" to expensive table tennis equipment. Please... |
Posted By: JimT
Date Posted: 03/14/2012 at 6:22pm
Here's us hoping you will write a review for Triple Seven (BBC Jackpot?). Also I hope to see you in ten days at Westchester Open so you can show me your new BBC blade... deal? ------------- Single Ply Hinoki Club, Founding Member Say "no!" to expensive table tennis equipment. Please... |
Posted By: the_theologian
Date Posted: 03/14/2012 at 6:34pm
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I'm also wondering what the 3-P-F HD is Charlie mentioned to me a couple months ago that he was getting help on updating the website, so who knows! I'd love to see an upgrade, but like JimT, I'm content to have him working on my quirky requests btw JimT, thanks for getting this thread going and organizing the nice layout of the intial post! ------------- Appelgren Allplay ST / Vega Europe max |
Posted By: qpskfec
Date Posted: 03/14/2012 at 9:08pm
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I have a skinny Triflex and an All Around. Both play great.
Charlie made the handles exactly to my dimensions. Workmanship is excellent. I have a 9-9-9 coming in the mail. |
Posted By: VictorK
Date Posted: 03/15/2012 at 9:20am
I'm
really a low-level "equipment reviewer" - I go more by how I can play
my game using a particular blade/rubber combination. Having said so, let me give you some additional feedback: ------------- 99% practice 1% equipment 0% ratings |
Posted By: JimT
Date Posted: 03/15/2012 at 12:08pm
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"Lucky" is not necessary here, as Jackpot already means the win... but that's up to you of course. What is the weight of the blade, btw? See you at the tourney! ------------- Single Ply Hinoki Club, Founding Member Say "no!" to expensive table tennis equipment. Please... |
Posted By: VictorK
Date Posted: 03/15/2012 at 5:01pm
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If I recall correctly 85g is written on the blade, but I'm not 100% sure. I'll let check next time I remove rubbers from it and will let you know then. ------------- 99% practice 1% equipment 0% ratings |
Posted By: JimT
Date Posted: 03/15/2012 at 8:46pm
Nah you don't have to do that - my interest in the weight is purely academic. ------------- Single Ply Hinoki Club, Founding Member Say "no!" to expensive table tennis equipment. Please... |
Posted By: Carryboy
Date Posted: 03/16/2012 at 12:01am
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I have a tricarbon which is the review sample above and also a anvil which I have never played with (brand new). The tricarbon has one of the best flared handles ever. ------------- Spin Master Carbo Power (Stefan Elsner Custom) Donic Acuda S1 Max Donic Acuda P1 Blue Max |
Posted By: Carryboy
Date Posted: 05/24/2012 at 4:14pm
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I got a chance yesterday to take a couple of pictures of my BBC Tricarbon to post. I believe it is Attack shape I, thickness is 6.5mm, Weight 71 grams      ------------- Spin Master Carbo Power (Stefan Elsner Custom) Donic Acuda S1 Max Donic Acuda P1 Blue Max |
Posted By: JimT
Date Posted: 05/25/2012 at 12:55pm
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Just got two new BBC blades - One-Ply Cypress (I would really love for it to have a cooler name but then again, why do I care) and Ultima Speed (a variation of my main blade Ultima and of 9-10-9 - this one has 6-17-6 structure, meaning that outer WRC plies are 60 thou thick = 1.5 mm, then carbon layer, then central core WRC layer which is 170 thou thick = 4.25 mm). Will post some photos and reviews soon. ------------- Single Ply Hinoki Club, Founding Member Say "no!" to expensive table tennis equipment. Please... |
Posted By: JimT
Date Posted: 05/25/2012 at 4:13pm
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Here's the photos http://picasaweb.google.com/JimT2008/BBCBladesOPCUltimaSpeed - https://picasaweb.google.com/JimT2008/BBCBladesOPCUltimaSpeed ------------- Single Ply Hinoki Club, Founding Member Say "no!" to expensive table tennis equipment. Please... |
Posted By: Carryboy
Date Posted: 05/25/2012 at 5:03pm
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Nice JimT I like the Ultima Speed and the BBC metal tags look nice not that anything was wrong with the original wood engraved logo which I do like very much.
------------- Spin Master Carbo Power (Stefan Elsner Custom) Donic Acuda S1 Max Donic Acuda P1 Blue Max |
Posted By: JimT
Date Posted: 05/25/2012 at 7:04pm
Alas, those are simple sticker labels - Charlie temporarily ran out of wooden "buttons" ------------- Single Ply Hinoki Club, Founding Member Say "no!" to expensive table tennis equipment. Please... |
Posted By: the_theologian
Date Posted: 05/26/2012 at 5:15am
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very, very nice blades JimT... making me want a 1 ply from CW ------------- Appelgren Allplay ST / Vega Europe max |
Posted By: Brainstorm69
Date Posted: 05/26/2012 at 10:22am
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Sweet looking blades for sure.
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Posted By: JimT
Date Posted: 05/26/2012 at 2:47pm
Wait until I play with it. I intend to seal them both on Monday (can with Minwax sealant is in my office, so...), then put the rubbers on them on Tuesday - play on Wed-Thu - then I will start the review threads. ------------- Single Ply Hinoki Club, Founding Member Say "no!" to expensive table tennis equipment. Please... |
Posted By: the_theologian
Date Posted: 05/26/2012 at 3:43pm
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Posted By: JimT
Date Posted: 05/26/2012 at 4:41pm
I still seal them a bit myself as well... ------------- Single Ply Hinoki Club, Founding Member Say "no!" to expensive table tennis equipment. Please... |
Posted By: ZApenholder
Date Posted: 05/26/2012 at 4:52pm
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Damn.... I'm also starting to get interested in BBC. So how does it work? Do I state that I am interested in x.y.z and Charlie will make something for me? Can I also stated that I need X weight, and he can help with the weight reduction/addition etc? I currently got a new blade - Ma Lin Carbon, and will try it out for a season. I might join your clan end of the year.... we will see  One of my mate is actually wanting to change his Primorac Carbon to a similiar but lighter weight blade, maybe I can convince him to go for a BBC blade first.... what do you guys suggest for him? http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=50343&PN=1#623159 - |
Posted By: the_theologian
Date Posted: 05/26/2012 at 8:23pm
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you can email Charlie at mailto:[email protected] - [email protected] and he'll probably be willing to adjust the specs for you and advise if he can hit the target weight you're looking for
as far as what carbon blade to suggest, I've only tried the 9-10-9, and after I did, I lost interest in all other composite blades ------------- Appelgren Allplay ST / Vega Europe max |
Posted By: the_theologian
Date Posted: 05/26/2012 at 8:24pm
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... btw Zap I assume you've perused his models already? http://www.bladesbycharlie.com/models - http://www.bladesbycharlie.com/models ------------- Appelgren Allplay ST / Vega Europe max |
Posted By: iamwardicus
Date Posted: 05/29/2012 at 7:31pm
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I'm looking into a BBC or Ross Leidy blade - I know I can not go wrong with either choice. Debating between the Carboflex Alpha and the 9-10-9 mostly though (so BBC). I want a carbon blade for the enhanced sweet spot, but I've got to find someone with a more flexible blade than my Dotec Control so I can feel the difference between a stiff and flexible blade. Only hard part is how light can I get a blade and it still be balanced or slightly handle heavy with baracuda or geospin tacky rubbers on it. |
Posted By: silva7
Date Posted: 05/29/2012 at 9:12pm
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i do not want to go off topic but i am curious if any of you have tried both OSP and BBC blades? if you have, could you give me your take on these two brands? thank you ------------- RSM Special Platinum T64 |
Posted By: the_theologian
Date Posted: 05/30/2012 at 1:37am
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9-10-9 is a great blade but only barely flexible. haven't played with carboflex to know I currently own 2 BBC's and 4 OSP's (and seeking more of both). all in all I've owned 6 BBC's and 5 OSP's they are my two favorite brands for blades (with Ross Leidy close on their heels) ------------- Appelgren Allplay ST / Vega Europe max |
Posted By: ZApenholder
Date Posted: 05/30/2012 at 3:31am
No, I haven't used any BBC blades before. But his blades really look promising. Thanks for you info. Let me get my friend to try out first lol |
Posted By: JimT
Date Posted: 05/30/2012 at 12:50pm
BBC 9-10-9 is about 7.5-7.6 mm thick so there is almost no flex. If you need flex, then go with Carboflex or smth similar from BBC catalog. 9-10-9 or Ultima line (7-16-7, 6-17-6) is mostly for blockers/hitters who don't do quick looping close to the table. They still loop very good with proper rubbers but not great at short opening loops or loops right off the bounce - depends on your technique of course but I am talking about general properties here. You can also ask Charley to produce smth like 7-7-7 for you - one of the forummers here got it done and he likes it a lot, it a quite flexy carbon blade with good feeling (about 5.8 mm thick). Perhaps you would like to go just a tad thicker to add some stability - then do smth like 7-9-7 (each unit is 10 thou = 0.25 mm) which will be 6.3 mm thick. It will cost you the same as 9-10-9 but it will be your own unique customized blade. Main thing is you need to REALLY know your stuff - like what thickness is best for you in terms of general flex, and how deep do you want the carbon layers to be. Once you decide, consult with Charley. ------------- Single Ply Hinoki Club, Founding Member Say "no!" to expensive table tennis equipment. Please... |
Posted By: emihet
Date Posted: 05/30/2012 at 4:54pm
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I have a spin off the 9-10-9 M Special...much thinner 9ply three layers of hinoki and 3 layers of birch glued together instead of carbon... a looping machine...one downsize it is a bit too light for me...but very nice...
------------- Viscaria, Ma Long 5, Old Clippers, BTY Ovtcharov and Various Custom blades |
Posted By: iamwardicus
Date Posted: 05/30/2012 at 5:23pm
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I'm obviously still learning, and depending on my work week my playtime can be minimal at best... I just know I have to step it up a bit from my dotec control + geospin tacky as it's too slow. I'll loop drive my absolute hardest and *plop* - easy return. I'm hoping that with a blade change I can either get more spin (seems to be a dream though considering the advent of the new polymer ball), or I can keep the control and spin of the geospin but get another gear or two for when I need the speed/power to put away a shot. I very rarely slam as I'd rather keep a ball on the table instead of loose control. The BBC Carboflex Alpha is a blade I've actually had a reasonable amount of playtime with, but that was 8 years ago. I loved it, but the people I play against have vastly different styles than what I used to play against. I need to change what I'm used to to compensate for that, and just improve the best I can. I'll try to sample more blades tonight to get some feedback on flex if possible. OT: Also I've discovered the sport of pickleball which I can actually play for a few hours every week... we'll see how that goes too :-p |
Posted By: ZApenholder
Date Posted: 05/31/2012 at 4:57am
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Just a question. Are these blades ITTF approved (does blades need to be approved?) |
Posted By: icontek
Date Posted: 05/31/2012 at 7:10am
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Blades do not need ITTF approval. They simply need to adhere to the construction guidelines found in the ITTF rulebook to be legal for play. ------------- http://bit.ly/vLMhuB" rel="nofollow - - RC1042 . OSP Virtuoso AC: PK50 + R42 |
Posted By: Nelsonckh
Date Posted: 06/08/2012 at 4:02am
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Nice collection there ... i will go for it :)
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Posted By: the_theologian
Date Posted: 06/09/2012 at 9:50pm
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JimT, You don't like your new 1-ply; you should trade it to me. It's very important that you believe me on this point. Sincerely, the_theologian ------------- Appelgren Allplay ST / Vega Europe max |
Posted By: JimT
Date Posted: 06/10/2012 at 12:32am
I don't like it? hmm... your hypnotic powers are slowly wearing me down...  Let me sleep on it  ------------- Single Ply Hinoki Club, Founding Member Say "no!" to expensive table tennis equipment. Please... |
Posted By: the_theologian
Date Posted: 06/10/2012 at 5:07am
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(eery voice) "JimT... this the the_theologian. I know you're sleeping right now... remember, you no longer want your BBC 1 ply and it is best to trade it to me..." ------------- Appelgren Allplay ST / Vega Europe max |
Posted By: JimT
Date Posted: 06/10/2012 at 12:23pm
Oh man, so that's who is to blame for me having those nightmares! Stop it man, I tells ya! just stop it or I won't be responsible for the consequences!  ------------- Single Ply Hinoki Club, Founding Member Say "no!" to expensive table tennis equipment. Please... |