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Topic: Butterfly ZJK Review
Posted By: peter79
Subject: Butterfly ZJK Review
Date Posted: 04/02/2012 at 1:17am
It has been a long time I haven't played with Butterfly Blade. I prefer 5 ply blades with nice feel and vibration with good control.
The other reason I don't use Butterfly blade because it doesn't suit H3 very well...
But When I saw Butterfly ZJK at Tokyo TT Shop, I couldn't resist to buy it (either it plays well or not).
It has a nice big FL handle, and the handle design makes me want to buy LOL

Blade: ZJK 90 Gr
FH Rubber: H3 National 2.2 tuned with 1 layer of Dianchi
BH Rubber: T64 2.1 mm

I've tried to play with ZJK for 2 sessions and 1 session with coach. So I made a comparison between ZJK and Violin/Acoustic that I use most often.

I have to say it out perform Violin/Acoustic in all department like passive block, punch block, slow loop, powerloop, smash.
Violin/Acoustic only have better control and better feel, that's all.
But the feel of ZJK isn't that far behind, it's not as vibrate as Acoustic, but it has a nice, sufficient feel.

H3 National on ZJK vs Violin/Acoustic:

My forehand loop is rarely score an ace when I use all wood, my loop is still can be blocked but it goes off table. With ZJK I can make my opponent not even know where my loop lands.
This is very important for me that I will sacrifice a bit of feel of all wood blades.
The Arylate Carbon can give a strong catapult effect when needed if you loop it hard, but on short game it gives you a nice control as an all wood.

T64 on ZJK vs on Violin/Acoustic

I never like T64 on either Violin/Acoustic, it lacks of speed/kick and lack of spin. But I remember ZJK himself use T64 on his Viscaria, so I have to try how good this rubber on ZJK and now I know why!!!
It's just much better than on all wood blades that I've tried. It has more speed, more kick and better spin on ZJK.
I still have to adjust to block a powerful loop with ZJK, but it's just a matter of time.
It's not as sensitive compared to T05 and it's better for power loop too.
Opening loop I have to use my wrist more than T05.

My Opponent comment about my setup change

One of my friend who plays with me regularly every week. He said my loop is much more difficult to block, when I tell him I change my blade, he said no wonder!!!
He is a good blocker, when I loop it with all wood blade cross court to his FH side, he can just close block it relatively easy, now he's difficult doing the same thing.

Conclusion

I have to admit and take my words back that Butterfly isn't a good company to make a good blades. I always proud of owning Nittaku, because they make one of the best all wood blade in the market now. Table Tennis is a game which need scoring a confincing winner, with all wood blade I only can enjoy the feel when hitting the ball but rarely easy to score a powerful winner, with Butterfly ZJK I can still use the same technique as all wood blade, but the result of the loop is much more destructive than all wood blades.
It's the time for me to move to composite blades, It's a joyful feel when I score a winner which is not even my opponent can touch the ball to block it.










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Andro Wanokiwami AO Offensive 83 gr
H3 National Orange 40 deg 2.2
Baracuda Max
182 Gr




Replies:
Posted By: mikepong
Date Posted: 04/02/2012 at 1:33am
how bout service returns and push? does it have nice control too?

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Viscaria

FH: Tenergy 05 black

BH: Tenergy 05 red





Posted By: peter79
Date Posted: 04/02/2012 at 1:50am
Originally posted by mikepong mikepong wrote:

how bout service returns and push? does it have nice control too?


It's not as good as violin/acoustic, but the difference isn't that great.


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Andro Wanokiwami AO Offensive 83 gr
H3 National Orange 40 deg 2.2
Baracuda Max
182 Gr



Posted By: cotdt
Date Posted: 04/02/2012 at 1:56am
Is the FL handle thicker than the typical FL handle?

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Nittaku Resound
FH: Joola Timeless
BH: Joola Timeless


Posted By: vvu.tee
Date Posted: 04/02/2012 at 2:43am
cotdt, slightly thicker

nice review peter79! may not be as rigorous as other reviews, but it reflects well your conclusions.

I totally agree with your conclusion about BTY ALC blades' feel, it may not be the Accoustic's all-wood feel but it is not far behind, and there are lots of all-wood blades that are deader in feel.




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(1) BTY T64 - BTY M.MAZE - BTY T05
(2) BTY T64 - BTY M.MAZE - DHS H3 Neo Provincial


Posted By: jonyer1980
Date Posted: 04/02/2012 at 3:22am
Nice review, but you should have bought a new camera instead of another blade :P

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Rosewood V FL

Nittaku Fastarc G1-FH

Stiga DNA Pro-S MAX BH


Avoid any Butterfly stuff... at abusive prices. Raw power without control means nothing


Posted By: peter79
Date Posted: 04/02/2012 at 3:43am
Originally posted by jonyer1980 jonyer1980 wrote:

Nice review, but you should have bought a new camera instead of another blade :P


I'm using my camera phone Embarrassed
I'll use DSLR to take a better photo, doesn't expect to review it today, so the picture is for temporary only LOL


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Andro Wanokiwami AO Offensive 83 gr
H3 National Orange 40 deg 2.2
Baracuda Max
182 Gr



Posted By: ejmaster
Date Posted: 04/02/2012 at 5:59am
the real deal is the michael maze. the zjk blade lacks feeling gears and control.
 
imo this review is too enthusiastic about the zjk blade.
 
 


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EJ Club.

MM T05(fh)/Srvfx(bh); InfVps,LSW,Viscaria,RwV,TBAlc,PG7,yextsc,yeo. EJmaster wood.


Posted By: peter79
Date Posted: 04/02/2012 at 7:41am
Well I've tried maze with H3, too much dwell time....
I'm using H3, I feel it's not lack of gear, better control compare to TB ALC...
I agree it isn't as easy to control compare to all wood blades, but it's worth it...


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Andro Wanokiwami AO Offensive 83 gr
H3 National Orange 40 deg 2.2
Baracuda Max
182 Gr



Posted By: arxidiavol
Date Posted: 04/02/2012 at 8:00am
Can you compare ZJK and TB ALC, Spirit ?


Posted By: frogger
Date Posted: 04/02/2012 at 10:39am
 ZJK is classified as OFF- on the butterflyonline.com website. BTY catalog it is listed as OFF. TBS flared is a true OFF while I find TBS ST. faster due to more mass in the handle. Each blade is different so find the one that suits you. I prefer the feel of all wood and think it is better for mid level tournament players. Playing with TBS felt I was disconnected from the ball.

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Wood Paddle
Red side
Black side.




Posted By: arxidiavol
Date Posted: 04/02/2012 at 5:39pm
Yes, I have similar feel when I played Korbel after my TB ALC which seemed unbeatable weapon in spin department for me...Of course, I used the same T05 both sides.


Posted By: peter79
Date Posted: 04/02/2012 at 11:45pm
New Picture uploaded...
T64 eventhough it's not sensitive from incoming spin, it's very bouncy.
Now I put Roxon 500 pro on BH, let's see how it plays tonight.


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Andro Wanokiwami AO Offensive 83 gr
H3 National Orange 40 deg 2.2
Baracuda Max
182 Gr



Posted By: sa01
Date Posted: 04/03/2012 at 12:08am
when I used timo boll spirit I used regular sriver in the bh and it was enough.
good power and good control.
in fh I used tuned h3. tuned h3 + tbs is too good to be true.

the only problem of tbs is that you have to be very accurate in your shots, it doesn't forgive mistakes, specially during blocks.


Posted By: peter79
Date Posted: 04/03/2012 at 12:18am
Originally posted by arxidiavol arxidiavol wrote:

Can you compare ZJK and TB ALC, Spirit ?


If I still remember correctly, ZJK feels softer. TB ALC and Spirit feels crispier.
The different between the blades is in the center ply.
I've compared ZJK and TBS, ZJK center ply is a fraction thicker...


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Andro Wanokiwami AO Offensive 83 gr
H3 National Orange 40 deg 2.2
Baracuda Max
182 Gr



Posted By: peter79
Date Posted: 04/03/2012 at 12:20am
Originally posted by frogger frogger wrote:

 ZJK is classified as OFF- on the butterflyonline.com website. BTY catalog it is listed as OFF. TBS flared is a true OFF while I find TBS ST. faster due to more mass in the handle. Each blade is different so find the one that suits you. I prefer the feel of all wood and think it is better for mid level tournament players. Playing with TBS felt I was disconnected from the ball.


TBS is worse than ZJK interms of feel. But Still can't compete with all wood blades for feel and confidence. I hope I can do a nice transition from all wood blade to Composite, since I get older and older, I must change to composite soon or later...


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Andro Wanokiwami AO Offensive 83 gr
H3 National Orange 40 deg 2.2
Baracuda Max
182 Gr



Posted By: peter79
Date Posted: 04/03/2012 at 12:26am
Originally posted by sa01 sa01 wrote:

when I used timo boll spirit I used regular sriver in the bh and it was enough.
good power and good control.
in fh I used tuned h3. tuned h3 + tbs is too good to be true.

the only problem of tbs is that you have to be very accurate in your shots, it doesn't forgive mistakes, specially during blocks.


Yeah I must commit to loop, once I'm not sure then the result is poor.

Sriver? do you use speed glue or just normal glue?
Has anyone tried to boost Sriver with Dian Chi?


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Andro Wanokiwami AO Offensive 83 gr
H3 National Orange 40 deg 2.2
Baracuda Max
182 Gr



Posted By: sa01
Date Posted: 04/03/2012 at 12:50am
Originally posted by peter79 peter79 wrote:

Originally posted by sa01 sa01 wrote:

when I used timo boll spirit I used regular sriver in the bh and it was enough.
good power and good control.
in fh I used tuned h3. tuned h3 + tbs is too good to be true.

the only problem of tbs is that you have to be very accurate in your shots, it doesn't forgive mistakes, specially during blocks.


Yeah I must commit to loop, once I'm not sure then the result is poor.

Sriver? do you use speed glue or just normal glue?
Has anyone tried to boost Sriver with Dian Chi?


regular sriver max without glue.
but I'm fh oriented so I don't end many points with my bh.


Posted By: ejmaster
Date Posted: 04/03/2012 at 7:00am
sriver max is heavy. and max in the bh brings lack of touch for most people.
however with btfy a/c sriver fx 1,9 plays as hell. not a fashion bh rubber but the score will tell the truth.
 

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EJ Club.

MM T05(fh)/Srvfx(bh); InfVps,LSW,Viscaria,RwV,TBAlc,PG7,yextsc,yeo. EJmaster wood.


Posted By: Takkyu
Date Posted: 04/04/2012 at 8:27am
Do you speed glue or boost your Sriver fx 1.9 EJ ?

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VISCARIA fl
Hurricane 3 Provincial
Stiga Boost TX


Posted By: ejmaster
Date Posted: 04/04/2012 at 10:32am

the sriver fx 1,9 speedglued is very good. i did it always before the glue ban. now i do not speedglue.

 
even without speedgluing the touch about this rubber in bh pays off. i have to put more arm power but with an a/c blade there is enough speed for me. and i am always safe about the bh against no matter what opponent (agressive off, LPs, ...). can do it all in so many ways and have such a good looping game, placement and receiving. 


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EJ Club.

MM T05(fh)/Srvfx(bh); InfVps,LSW,Viscaria,RwV,TBAlc,PG7,yextsc,yeo. EJmaster wood.


Posted By: peter79
Date Posted: 04/04/2012 at 10:47am
Sriver fx will be too soft on ZJK, I'm thinking to try Sriver L 1.9 mm....

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Andro Wanokiwami AO Offensive 83 gr
H3 National Orange 40 deg 2.2
Baracuda Max
182 Gr



Posted By: bros
Date Posted: 04/04/2012 at 11:00am
Originally posted by peter79 peter79 wrote:

Sriver fx will be too soft on ZJK, I'm thinking to try Sriver L 1.9 mm....

Try xiom vega pro,N tell me if you don't like it(1,8MM)


Posted By: peter79
Date Posted: 04/04/2012 at 11:54am
Originally posted by bros bros wrote:

Originally posted by peter79 peter79 wrote:

Sriver fx will be too soft on ZJK, I'm thinking to try Sriver L 1.9 mm....

Try xiom vega pro,N tell me if you don't like it(1,8MM)


Wow, you use 1,8 mm not 2,0 mm?
Isn't it too thin?


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Andro Wanokiwami AO Offensive 83 gr
H3 National Orange 40 deg 2.2
Baracuda Max
182 Gr



Posted By: bros
Date Posted: 04/04/2012 at 12:09pm
Originally posted by peter79 peter79 wrote:


Originally posted by bros bros wrote:

Originally posted by peter79 peter79 wrote:

Sriver fx will be too soft on ZJK, I'm thinking to try Sriver L 1.9 mm....

Try xiom vega pro,N tell me if you don't like it(1,8MM)
Wow, you use 1,8 mm not 2,0 mm?Isn't it too thin?

For BH is enough to me, let the arylate carbon work on it, 2.0mm feel less dwell time to
me.


Posted By: ejmaster
Date Posted: 04/04/2012 at 7:27pm
the sriverfx in bh does not feel too soft. feels very good touch.
it can be slow with some blades.
 
 
 
 


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EJ Club.

MM T05(fh)/Srvfx(bh); InfVps,LSW,Viscaria,RwV,TBAlc,PG7,yextsc,yeo. EJmaster wood.


Posted By: Mickael
Date Posted: 04/05/2012 at 1:49am
Try tenergy 64 fx it is very good as a backhand rubber all the power but yet controllable

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Nittaku Acoustic Carbon FL
Butterfly Dignics 05 2.1 FH
Butterfly Dignics 05 2.1 BH


Posted By: peter79
Date Posted: 04/05/2012 at 2:15am
Well I found T64 too bouncy and soft. Tenergy 64Fx would be even softer....
Thanks for your suggestion. Now I use Roxon 500 Pro 2.0 and will try it tonight.



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Andro Wanokiwami AO Offensive 83 gr
H3 National Orange 40 deg 2.2
Baracuda Max
182 Gr



Posted By: peter79
Date Posted: 04/05/2012 at 12:05pm
Already tested Roxon 500 pro 2.0 on Backhand, it's much better than T64!!!
With T64 If I block against slow speed but spiny loops, it often doesn't cross the net.
And if I block against fast speed loops it often goes out table because of the bounciness of the sponge.
I almost gave up using ZJK because my BH which is one of my weapon doesn't feel confident enough, my strong FH loops winning points not enough for me to cover even more backhand error, most of them blocking, counter loop and smash, it really doesn't feel solid enough for me.

Luckily I have another try with Roxon 500 pro not maximum but 2.0 mm, it's better for blocking, open loop also easy and I think 2.0 mm is already fast pairing with ZJK.

My Forehand loop really shine today, Most of my loop when the ball is easy to kill, gives no time for my friend to react at all, sometimes will slower all wood blades, even it's easy ball to kill, the ball still come back.

It's a very promising blade, I thought I will go back to Acoustic/Violin again LOL


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Andro Wanokiwami AO Offensive 83 gr
H3 National Orange 40 deg 2.2
Baracuda Max
182 Gr



Posted By: peter79
Date Posted: 04/07/2012 at 1:55am
Already bought Viscaria FL silver tag 90 gr, surprisingly the handle is a bit bigger than ZJK!!!
The handle has a smooth finish compare to ZJK rough finish.
The Difference between Viscaria and ZJK is about quality:
1. The blade of ZJK is sealed by Butterfly while Viscaria isn't
2. The Arylate Carbon of ZJK is much neater if seen from the side.
ZJK is actually a remade of Viscaria with higher price tag....




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Andro Wanokiwami AO Offensive 83 gr
H3 National Orange 40 deg 2.2
Baracuda Max
182 Gr



Posted By: peter79
Date Posted: 04/12/2012 at 12:27pm


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Andro Wanokiwami AO Offensive 83 gr
H3 National Orange 40 deg 2.2
Baracuda Max
182 Gr



Posted By: adrian 23
Date Posted: 04/15/2012 at 1:20am
viscaria was discontinue when zjk is out, am i true? because when i want to bought the viscaria, the seller said that blade discontinued now

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Zhang Jike ALC
Skyline TG3 Blue Sponge
Tenergy 05


Posted By: peter79
Date Posted: 04/15/2012 at 2:55am



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Andro Wanokiwami AO Offensive 83 gr
H3 National Orange 40 deg 2.2
Baracuda Max
182 Gr



Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 04/15/2012 at 10:57am
Maybe true.  This way they can triple the price for what is essentially the same blade.


Posted By: peter79
Date Posted: 04/16/2012 at 12:06pm

I have tried Viscaria with H3 National + roxon 500 pro 2.0
It's the best setup I've played so far since the first time I play table tennis!!!
Now I know why ZJK still use Viscaria, not ZJK...

It play much better in all aspect, looping, smash is the sama as ZJK, blocking
I can play all around with Viscaria, while with ZJK I can't, not because Viscaria is slower than ZJK, I don't why, Viscaria has a good control but also perform a powerful loop and smash.

The handle of Viscaria is very comfortable to hold, it's firm, changing FH to BH is very firm.
Now I know why Butterfly stop producing Viscaria ST handle, this FL handle for me is the best FL handle I've tried...

One thing that I can't do with ZJK but can do with Viscaria, is that I can loop ball which is already under the table, I can lift it with a winner.
It's just playing an all wood blade but with more power.

I hope Butterfly keep producing Viscaria, becaue ZJK definately not a replacement for Viscaria.



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Andro Wanokiwami AO Offensive 83 gr
H3 National Orange 40 deg 2.2
Baracuda Max
182 Gr



Posted By: peter79
Date Posted: 04/16/2012 at 12:17pm
The above post is the post that I'm going to post a few days ago, but the database was error at that time.
I have 2 H3 National white package, one the topsheet is more tackier than the other. I previously put it on Butterfly ZJK, now I switch it to Viscaria.
The result is even better!!! It's not as fast as the less tacky H3 National, but it produce a more stable spiny loops.
This Viscaria blade makes my 90+ other blades need to be sold at FS section LOL


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Andro Wanokiwami AO Offensive 83 gr
H3 National Orange 40 deg 2.2
Baracuda Max
182 Gr



Posted By: bibigon
Date Posted: 04/16/2012 at 12:45pm
Hi peter79.
Will you please report the dimensions of your Viscaria. According to BTY catalog, the dimensions should be 150*157. However, the dimensions of my fresh Taiwan supposedly licensed :) replica are 154*159.


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Viscaria light; BH: Baracuda 2.0; FH: H3NP 38° black


Posted By: peter79
Date Posted: 04/16/2012 at 1:08pm
Hi Bibigon, Mine is 152*159, so it's 2 mm wider and 2 mm longer than Butterfly ZJK...

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Andro Wanokiwami AO Offensive 83 gr
H3 National Orange 40 deg 2.2
Baracuda Max
182 Gr



Posted By: bibigon
Date Posted: 04/16/2012 at 1:30pm
Thank you Peter! 

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Viscaria light; BH: Baracuda 2.0; FH: H3NP 38° black


Posted By: nerve*blade
Date Posted: 04/16/2012 at 3:51pm
I recommend BTY Timo Boll ZLF for people from all-around wood blade (such as Acoustics) transfer to composite blade.  I would like to say BTY Timo Boll ZLF (Cry: cost more) is the most close to pure wood blade (as well as BTY Innerforce ZLF, which is more soft feelings and slower, better control).

 
·         Good control with drop and push, as well as short games
·         The blade vibration with very good dwell time and wonderful controls.
·         Good spin and power, but a little bit less power than BTY Timo Boll ALC, or Zhang Jike ZLC.
·         The 1st speed is a little bit slower than BTY Timo Boll ALC, or Zhang Jike ZLC. However, the 2nd speed is faster than BTY Timo Boll ALC, or Zhang Jike ZLC. The overall speed I would like to say the same.
·         Good rallies and powerful loops as well soft ball with good touch.

I played acoustics over two years (less power and slower) and BTY Timo Boll ALC with eight months (short games and control are not good enough).  I changed to BTY Timo Boll ZLF. I like it, and will keep using it after I played with two months. 

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Blade: Nittaku Acoustic

FH: Nittaku Neo H3

BH: Butterfly Tenergy 05


Posted By: ejmaster
Date Posted: 04/16/2012 at 5:25pm
Originally posted by peter79 peter79 wrote:

I have tried Viscaria with H3 National + roxon 500 pro 2.0
It's the best setup I've played so far since the first time I play table tennis!!!
Now I know why ZJK still use Viscaria, not ZJK...

It play much better in all aspect, looping, smash is the sama as ZJK, blocking
I can play all around with Viscaria, while with ZJK I can't, not because Viscaria is slower than ZJK, I don't why, Viscaria has a good control but also perform a powerful loop and smash.

The handle of Viscaria is very comfortable to hold, it's firm, changing FH to BH is very firm.
Now I know why Butterfly stop producing Viscaria ST handle, this FL handle for me is the best FL handle I've tried...

One thing that I can't do with ZJK but can do with Viscaria, is that I can loop ball which is already under the table, I can lift it with a winner.
It's just playing an all wood blade but with more power.

I hope Butterfly keep producing Viscaria, becaue ZJK definately not a replacement for Viscaria.

 
well at the end peter79 confirms what i was telling about the zjk compared to viscaria: they are not the same blade.
 
a good viscaria (there are variations about it, it seems peter got a good one) is better blade imo than a zjk blade. more feeling gears.


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EJ Club.

MM T05(fh)/Srvfx(bh); InfVps,LSW,Viscaria,RwV,TBAlc,PG7,yextsc,yeo. EJmaster wood.


Posted By: peter79
Date Posted: 04/16/2012 at 10:37pm
Originally posted by ejmaster ejmaster wrote:

 
 
well at the end peter79 confirms what i was telling about the zjk compared to viscaria: they are not the same blade.
 
a good viscaria (there are variations about it, it seems peter got a good one) is better blade imo than a zjk blade. more feeling gears.


I selected one with the biggest handle among 6 Viscaria which is available in the shop.
The weight is 89,90,90,90,90,90,92
The thickest handle is one of the 90 gr, which suprisingly has the best feel and grain...
The worst feel is 92 gr, too dull, no vibration...


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Andro Wanokiwami AO Offensive 83 gr
H3 National Orange 40 deg 2.2
Baracuda Max
182 Gr



Posted By: peter79
Date Posted: 04/16/2012 at 10:42pm
Originally posted by nerve*blade nerve*blade wrote:

I recommend BTY Timo Boll ZLF for people from all-around wood blade (such as Acoustics) transfer to composite blade.  I would like to say BTY Timo Boll ZLF (Cry: cost more) is the most close to pure wood blade (as well as BTY Innerforce ZLF, which is more soft feelings and slower, better control).

 
·         Good control with drop and push, as well as short games
·         The blade vibration with very good dwell time and wonderful controls.
·         Good spin and power, but a little bit less power than BTY Timo Boll ALC, or Zhang Jike ZLC.
·         The 1st speed is a little bit slower than BTY Timo Boll ALC, or Zhang Jike ZLC. However, the 2nd speed is faster than BTY Timo Boll ALC, or Zhang Jike ZLC. The overall speed I would like to say the same.
·         Good rallies and powerful loops as well soft ball with good touch.

I played acoustics over two years (less power and slower) and BTY Timo Boll ALC with eight months (short games and control are not good enough).  I changed to BTY Timo Boll ZLF. I like it, and will keep using it after I played with two months. 


I have Timo Boll ZLF ST handle 85 gr still sitting in box, not used....
Perhaps will try it later, but believe me Viscaria is very good for H3, it's like looping machine with much more speed. Good Control, good feel, very good and comfortable FL handle for my big hand, the best FL handle I've tried....


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Andro Wanokiwami AO Offensive 83 gr
H3 National Orange 40 deg 2.2
Baracuda Max
182 Gr



Posted By: Thomasson
Date Posted: 04/17/2012 at 5:57am
Although I don't feel comfortable playing with the H3, I can say that from the ALC blades I tried, the ZJK is easiest to switch to if you previously used all-wood blades.

I am currently testing what blade I will use for next season.
Blades im testing to maybe replace my acoustic are:

TB ALC
ZJ ALC
Photino
Mizutani Jun

I haven't gotten a hold on the MJ yet but hope to do so in the next weeks.
I will try to make a quick comparison without the MJ:

Speed: Photino>TB>ZJ>Acoustic

Control: Acoustic>ZJ>Photino>TB

Spin:ZJ>Acoustic>Photino>TB

Feel: Acoustic>Photino>ZJ>TB with feel I think I also try to say dwell, acoustic makes my rubbers feel softer then on other blades, the hinoki on the Photino does the same by a smaller amount.

Throw Arc: Acoustic>Photino>ZJ>TB

The main reason why im not sure if I should stick with Acoustic are the following:
High arc, lower speed.

Although I like the speed when im playing controlled (lobbing or blocking/pushing), I miss it when trying to finish a rally, it is also pretty hard to get a drive shot past your opponent on the first hit (this ofcourse varies on how the ball is feed to you, easy balls are still easy to kill).

For the the TB alc is surely not the blade I will be using due to having a to low throw compared to my current blade and im lacking feel and control.
The Photino comes closest to playing as the Acoustic, it gives me some of the feel and touch for a ball, but I think it is to fast to play a bit passive. I played with the Photino before and I was an all out attacker whenever I had the oppertunity. When playing with the Acoustic I changed my style and am now more of a smart player as I like to call it. Placing the shots on spots I know my opponent will have a hard time getting it so I can make an even better shot on the next one. Or just simply play a blocking and spin over spin game with it.

As said the ZJ gives more speed and a lower arc, but for me is not giving me the touch the Acoustic does. It makes me feel like I can make any shot and have full control of it.

So although it actually plays very good, but for now I think it wont beat the feeling I get with acoustic. If you are used to carbon blades more however, I am sure the feel you get for a ball will improve with the ZJ. I will test it out more and will also the the MJ before making a final decission.

Regards




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Blade: TB ALC
FH: Tenergy05 2.1
BH: Tenergy64 1.7


Posted By: adrian 23
Date Posted: 04/17/2012 at 6:43am
when i used ZJK for the first time, this blade improved my backhand strokes. this blade has a nice feeling and i didn't need a long time to adapt with it

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Zhang Jike ALC
Skyline TG3 Blue Sponge
Tenergy 05


Posted By: ejmaster
Date Posted: 04/17/2012 at 8:36am
the tb alc probably is the most difficult a/c blade to select a right one. But a powerful and crisp tb alc is very good blade.
between the mm, viscaria, tbs and zjk, imo there is no doubt that if one selects a good one between them, either mm, viscaria, or tbs have better feeling gears and control than a zjk. probably the mm, viscaria or tbs need to be more selected.


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EJ Club.

MM T05(fh)/Srvfx(bh); InfVps,LSW,Viscaria,RwV,TBAlc,PG7,yextsc,yeo. EJmaster wood.


Posted By: Thomasson
Date Posted: 04/17/2012 at 8:44am
Based on what I experienced I wrote the "review", if you say blades need to be selected more to play better then ZJK, I think you can either say:
A: If you select all blades carefully, the selected ZJK would improve it's pro's/con's as much as the other ones
B: As a standard blade the ZJK is better, since the overall quality doesn't difer to much between ZJK 1 and 2. Making it a better bet then the others?

Just a question, did you actually try it yourself EJmaster? Cause if you haven't you might be a bit biased because you do own the other blades and probably love them? ;)


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Blade: TB ALC
FH: Tenergy05 2.1
BH: Tenergy64 1.7


Posted By: ejmaster
Date Posted: 04/17/2012 at 9:03am
Originally posted by Thomasson Thomasson wrote:

Based on what I experienced I wrote the "review", if you say blades need to be selected more to play better then ZJK, I think you can either say:
A: If you select all blades carefully, the selected ZJK would improve it's pro's/con's as much as the other ones
B: As a standard blade the ZJK is better, since the overall quality doesn't difer to much between ZJK 1 and 2. Making it a better bet then the others?

Just a question, did you actually try it yourself EJmaster? Cause if you haven't you might be a bit biased because you do own the other blades and probably love them? ;)
 
No i didn't tried it. I like to post what i imagine. but search a little in the forum before.
 
fyi i do not care at all loving a particular blade. Get what you like it.
 
And in general my reviews are from a point of view of playing some players +2,300, not about saying the zjk plays awsome with t05 in bh playing against my neighbor who is 1,400 at most. 


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EJ Club.

MM T05(fh)/Srvfx(bh); InfVps,LSW,Viscaria,RwV,TBAlc,PG7,yextsc,yeo. EJmaster wood.


Posted By: Thomasson
Date Posted: 04/17/2012 at 9:39am
Well some people prefer listening to a 1400 player that used the blade and can tell its pro's and con's then to a 2300 player that didn't even touch it.

Im not sure if u tried to put me into the 1400 group, neither do I or you really care.
Just note that topplayers aren't always topcoaches either.

I just don't think you should make claims based on imagination, no offense towards you though. But if u make a claim certain blades are better then others, please have some arguements to defend that opinion. Especially if you say:

IMO (in my opinion) there is no doubt.

You might make people hessitant to try something based on a personal opinion of something you actually haven't used and probably haven't seen someone playing with it




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Blade: TB ALC
FH: Tenergy05 2.1
BH: Tenergy64 1.7


Posted By: ejmaster
Date Posted: 04/17/2012 at 10:14am
Thomasson, i used and played with the zjk and i did one of the first reviews about the zjk blade in the forum. so please get informed. search in the forum. i told you.
 
to know the subtle differences and apreciate when one is having or not enough control have to play with some level playing guy. that is the point to know. playing bad level playing guys does not show what it is going on.


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EJ Club.

MM T05(fh)/Srvfx(bh); InfVps,LSW,Viscaria,RwV,TBAlc,PG7,yextsc,yeo. EJmaster wood.


Posted By: Thomasson
Date Posted: 04/17/2012 at 10:22am
Seems some people find it hard to answer a simple question.

I didn't look up your review nor am I planning to, you must have tried numerous of all the blades you mentioned before making such a statement. I actually tried a few TB ALC and Viscaria's and 2 ZJ and came to the conclusion I gave, opinions may differ you know.

From posts I have read from you come by as a pretty arrogant person and will probably look at any review as less than yours. For that I see no reason in further argueing.
Some might think you aren't arrogant but I think you are, you or others don't need to defend you on this since it won't change.

I will stop derailing the topic now before it starts of with some silly slapping like in some other threads :)

Regards


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Blade: TB ALC
FH: Tenergy05 2.1
BH: Tenergy64 1.7


Posted By: nerve*blade
Date Posted: 04/17/2012 at 12:01pm
Originally posted by peter79 peter79 wrote:

Originally posted by nerve*blade nerve*blade wrote:

I recommend BTY Timo Boll ZLF for people from all-around wood blade (such as Acoustics) transfer to composite blade.  I would like to say BTY Timo Boll ZLF (Cry: cost more) is the most close to pure wood blade (as well as BTY Innerforce ZLF, which is more soft feelings and slower, better control).

 
·         Good control with drop and push, as well as short games
·         The blade vibration with very good dwell time and wonderful controls.
·         Good spin and power, but a little bit less power than BTY Timo Boll ALC, or Zhang Jike ZLC.
·         The 1st speed is a little bit slower than BTY Timo Boll ALC, or Zhang Jike ZLC. However, the 2nd speed is faster than BTY Timo Boll ALC, or Zhang Jike ZLC. The overall speed I would like to say the same.
·         Good rallies and powerful loops as well soft ball with good touch.

I played acoustics over two years (less power and slower) and BTY Timo Boll ALC with eight months (short games and control are not good enough).  I changed to BTY Timo Boll ZLF. I like it, and will keep using it after I played with two months. 


I have Timo Boll ZLF ST handle 85 gr still sitting in box, not used....
Perhaps will try it later, but believe me Viscaria is very good for H3, it's like looping machine with much more speed. Good Control, good feel, very good and comfortable FL handle for my big hand, the best FL handle I've tried....


By my understanding, if you play control and spin games, BTY Timo Boll ZLF is better, if you play power and speed games, BTY Timo Boll ALC, Zhang Jike ALC, and Viscaria are better.



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Blade: Nittaku Acoustic

FH: Nittaku Neo H3

BH: Butterfly Tenergy 05


Posted By: ejmaster
Date Posted: 04/17/2012 at 5:59pm
Thomasson, i have just played again with the zjk and i can confirm you it is the worst a/c butterfly blade.
worse feeling and control. sorry you have bought two of these. you better told me before buying.


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EJ Club.

MM T05(fh)/Srvfx(bh); InfVps,LSW,Viscaria,RwV,TBAlc,PG7,yextsc,yeo. EJmaster wood.


Posted By: Mickael
Date Posted: 04/18/2012 at 2:28am
I have played acoustic, tb alc, mj zlc, viscaria, photino, and now I own a zjk alc blade. Each blade has its pros and cons:
The tb alc has a dead feel like playing a steel, note that I am very sensitive to the finger feel.
The mj zlc and photino there is no way you can play a short game or controlled game (compared to other blades)
The viscaria has a good feel but it is wide at the bottom of the blade face you cannot play easily with you wrist.
The acoustic is a wonderful blade but you cannot win with it, you will always feel like Schumacher driving a Volkswagen .
The zjk blade is like Freddy mercury song "I want it all i want it all and I want it now" you will have the feel of acoustic the speed of tb alc and above all the trust in yourself that can do any kind of shot in tt with control or in speed.
Verdict: for years to come any tt company including butterfly will be in big trouble producing a better blade in speed and feel, after all we need a blade for the short game with feel, serves and it is fast !!!

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Nittaku Acoustic Carbon FL
Butterfly Dignics 05 2.1 FH
Butterfly Dignics 05 2.1 BH


Posted By: vvu.tee
Date Posted: 04/18/2012 at 3:08am
my zjk plays fine and feels softer and more controllable  than my viscarias and TBS and has a slightly lower tone, but it is definitely faster... as already mentioned above, there are certain notable deviations in each series and you need to select the blade that fits you best (probably even disregarding whether it is branded as viscaria, tbs, zjk or tb alc). 

that said, it is also very challenging to find two identical blades Wink


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(1) BTY T64 - BTY M.MAZE - BTY T05
(2) BTY T64 - BTY M.MAZE - DHS H3 Neo Provincial


Posted By: peter79
Date Posted: 04/18/2012 at 5:23am
Originally posted by vvu.tee vvu.tee wrote:

my zjk plays fine and feels softer and more controllable  than my viscarias and TBS and has a slightly lower tone, but it is definitely faster... as already mentioned above, there are certain notable deviations in each series and you need to select the blade that fits you best (probably even disregarding whether it is branded as viscaria, tbs, zjk or tb alc). 

that said, it is also very challenging to find two identical blades Wink


You're right, I've just bought another Viscaria at different shop which weight 94 gr, previous shop only has 92 gr heaviest and it feels dull and awful. My 94 Gr viscaria is harder and more powerful than My first bought 90 Gr Viscaria. The 94 has bigger handle than the 90 Big smile




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Andro Wanokiwami AO Offensive 83 gr
H3 National Orange 40 deg 2.2
Baracuda Max
182 Gr



Posted By: ejmaster
Date Posted: 04/18/2012 at 5:57am
i think peter you got a viscaria similar to the one i have (also 94 gr.). very good blade.
 
to put the challenge a little higher for me to find a powerful a/c in 88 gr.-89 gr. also pays off. that is why i am playing with a light but powerful mm. i have a faster game with a lighter blade.  


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EJ Club.

MM T05(fh)/Srvfx(bh); InfVps,LSW,Viscaria,RwV,TBAlc,PG7,yextsc,yeo. EJmaster wood.


Posted By: peter79
Date Posted: 04/18/2012 at 6:39am
Originally posted by ejmaster ejmaster wrote:

i think peter you got a viscaria similar to the one i have (also 94 gr.). very good blade.
 
to put the challenge a little higher for me to find a powerful a/c in 88 gr.-89 gr. also pays off. that is why i am playing with a light but powerful mm. i have a faster game with a lighter blade.  


I've just compare it side by side, 90 vs 94 gr handle...
At the bottom of the handle, the 94 gr is thicker by almost 1 mm, and it's wider 1 mm compare to my 90 gr.
So now my 90 gr feel smaller LOL

Yes the 94 gr is more powerful and stiffer than the 90 gr, well I will just keep it as a back up blade, the 90 gr is powerful enough for me now...


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Andro Wanokiwami AO Offensive 83 gr
H3 National Orange 40 deg 2.2
Baracuda Max
182 Gr



Posted By: peter79
Date Posted: 04/18/2012 at 6:42am
I'm thinking of collecting 91,92,93 Gr Viscaria if I can find them, the best blade I've tried with H3!!!

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Andro Wanokiwami AO Offensive 83 gr
H3 National Orange 40 deg 2.2
Baracuda Max
182 Gr



Posted By: vvu.tee
Date Posted: 04/18/2012 at 5:33pm
in all high quality brands most of the weight difference in identical blades comes from the size of the handle... while this is true in general, there are some exceptions though:
1/i've spotted tbs and alc with different face sizes, namely length has shrank from 157 mm to to 155 mm, and all are labeled as medium size (balance and power is quite different especially in TB ALC FL and ST between the petit and gross versions.
2/the thickness of the Clippers changes a lot though the years, so know your clipper before you buy
3/ HKs I've seen used to be thinner, and now since 2009 are consistently thicker
4/ tibhar stratus blades used to have a smaller face and larger handle, nowadays the face has grown up and the handle has slimmed down (example 3 years old stratus carbon FL at 84 grams is less headheavy than brand new stratus carbon of the same weight)

I wonder why TT blade manufactures do not label the balance of the blades in a manner similar to true tennis rackets ("headligh", "headheavy", "balace w/o string at 33", etc. - this is a very useful info to have when selecting a blade, and is not so easy to check in the store as dimensions (you should always carry a caliper when shopping for a blade) and weight (there are highly portable electronic scales - also a must)

i used to buy online, but to get a primary blade and a spare with identical property I had to get 5-8 blades of requested weight. now I pay 20 Euro more for a blade, but I can take my pick at the store and I rarely need more than 3 to get a primary-spare pair. moreover, do not waste so much time on the process and can focus on training.

offtopic. one blade that I found always consistent (meaning that same weight and handle type were almost perfect copies) are the TSP Black Blizzard - the most underestimated underdog of the carbon blades world... but life is unfair, and I think TSP stopped making it last year. (correction: it is still in TSP's EU online catalog, cheers!)

I've had lots of Viscarias and I was never able to find two that play and feel the same. I've tried 4 ZJKs, and 2 of them can make a good pair... so I hope consistency has improved, but one could easily argue that the improved consistency results in a soulless blades with no character and identity (so as always it comes to what you are actually looking for in a blade) as we all know one man's garbage can be another man's treasure, so personal preference will be the key to how you review the zjk.  

My opinion is that it is not an inferior blade to any of the other ALCs. Mine, as already mentioned above is of the lamer variaty of ZJKs (softish), and makes an excellent match for H3 Neo. I am considering switching to it as my main setup over the summer.



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(1) BTY T64 - BTY M.MAZE - BTY T05
(2) BTY T64 - BTY M.MAZE - DHS H3 Neo Provincial


Posted By: frogger
Date Posted: 04/18/2012 at 6:20pm
 I believe it should be mandatory by all manufacturers to mark the weight of each and every blade produced. With the increasing prices players need more information regarding their purchases. Pros demand exact weights and it would be helpful for the rest of us to know the weight of a blade before purchase. I don't feel this is asking to much from the manufacturers. It would be nice to see the ITTF requesting this also from the manufacturers....but I'm not holding my breath. Table tennis continues to be a loose cannon compared to other sports but that's a whole other story and would take me a few years to explain. LOL

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Wood Paddle
Red side
Black side.




Posted By: peter79
Date Posted: 04/18/2012 at 10:19pm
I think all manufacturer use the same standard, of course there's +/- in measurement of head size, handle. But since table tennis blade use wood which is a natural resources, each blade weight diff is actually affected by the age of the wood. Some of the wood is harder, some softer, some heavier, some lighter.
The grain of my 90 Gr Viscaria has kind of fish scales
While the 94 gr which is 93,12 gr when I weight it with my scale has kind of TBS/TB ALC of grain...


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Andro Wanokiwami AO Offensive 83 gr
H3 National Orange 40 deg 2.2
Baracuda Max
182 Gr



Posted By: 128YinYang
Date Posted: 04/18/2012 at 10:44pm
I'll tell you what really needs to be implemented....Weight-Balance. Tennis players all have the benefit of the manufacturer's specifying whether a blade is "head-heavy, neutral, or head-light (handle-heavy)." But not TT players. Butterfly won't tell us that their $150 blade is very head-heavy, you have to spend all of that money just to find out. The only help we can get is through forums like these, where people can ask other players what blades are head-heavy and not. Anyways, I'm getting off-topic now, since this is a ZJK review, so I'll stop... LOL


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Selling Everything! No set-up at this time.


Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 04/18/2012 at 10:49pm
Originally posted by peter79 peter79 wrote:

I think all manufacturer use the same standard, of course there's +/- in measurement of head size, handle. But since table tennis blade use wood which is a natural resources, each blade weight diff is actually affected by the age of the wood. Some of the wood is harder, some softer, some heavier, some lighter.
The grain of my 90 Gr Viscaria has kind of fish scales
While the 94 gr which is 93,12 gr when I weight it with my scale has kind of TBS/TB ALC of grain...


True.  No two thing made of wood can be identical.  I have two Viscarias at the moment and have owned quite a few others.  The worst one I have had is better than nearly every other blade I have used.  (Two were stolen, I gave one away, another one I broke).  Of the two I have now, they are the same weight, and I bought them at the same time, but there is one of the two I just like better than the other.  I'm not sure why.


Posted By: peter79
Date Posted: 04/18/2012 at 10:50pm
Originally posted by 128YinYang 128YinYang wrote:

I'm getting off-topic now, since this is a ZJK review, so I'll stop... LOL


I think this topic has changed to Viscaria review LOL


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Andro Wanokiwami AO Offensive 83 gr
H3 National Orange 40 deg 2.2
Baracuda Max
182 Gr



Posted By: peter79
Date Posted: 04/18/2012 at 11:06pm
Originally posted by Baal Baal wrote:


True.  No two thing made of wood can be identical.  I have two Viscarias at the moment and have owned quite a few others.  The worst one I have had is better than nearly every other blade I have used.  (Two were stolen, I gave one away, another one I broke).  Of the two I have now, they are the same weight, and I bought them at the same time, but there is one of the two I just like better than the other.  I'm not sure why.


Baal, I have seen your postings about the Viscaria's positive review , it's really a nice pair with H3. I was going to buy another butterfly ZJK, but the weight only availble is 87 gr. Then I luckily I saw Viscaria and buy it for comparison with ZJK. Now I know why you have so many Viscaria, it's the best blade I've found so far pairing with H3. it has enough speed not too fast, same spin as all wood, nice feel and good control, how could I expect more, it's my greatest setup for H3...

My coach has seen Zhang Jike's blade when he came to Indonesia when he is 16 years old, not sure when is it. He is already using Viscaria. When he look at the rubber, it's H3... but with purple sponge Shocked


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Andro Wanokiwami AO Offensive 83 gr
H3 National Orange 40 deg 2.2
Baracuda Max
182 Gr



Posted By: vvu.tee
Date Posted: 04/19/2012 at 3:25am
Viscaria/ZJK - all the same... but yes, heavier blade will result in a much more balance racket with heavier rubbers... keep in mind though, that wrist speed and arm speed will suffer, and you will have to compensate with increased muscle strength and endurance.

I prefer medium weight combo (172-182 grams). I am an advanced amateur playing for my city's amateur team in the nationals but I do not feel comfortable with heavier blades regardless of the fact that I am 6.2 ft and about 200 pounds with a heavyweight-boxer build... in my club we have a small skinny bench player with a clipper and grip-s/sth combo that weights 206 grams... and he can do speedier flips and faster attacks with his heavier setup than I do, but at the end he lacks the penetration power to finish the point. although he is a nasty and crafty little thing and occasionally drives me out of my mental balance and wins, I usually have no problem returning, countering and winning with my puny lighter racket... so, do not overestimate the effect of the blade's weight on power since it acts as complete system with the player and rubbers on the ball. 

concerning the grain of the top koto ply, IMHO Viscarias are usually have rougher and larger grain (like fish scales you said, which is a good description)... based on my observations that is. i guess  that larger grain contributes to the characteristic softer feel (in addition to what seems a the little thicker top ply). ZJK is said to have the same wood and plies, but drier, therefore,  harder... but you can control so much ... so it will vary from blade to blade.

I've read in the Russian forums that ZJK is to Viscaria just as TB ALC is to TBS (at least that was the engineering/design concept behind it,  i.e. make it a tad faster, improve the handle, and add flarier colors Tongue)


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(1) BTY T64 - BTY M.MAZE - BTY T05
(2) BTY T64 - BTY M.MAZE - DHS H3 Neo Provincial


Posted By: Imago
Date Posted: 04/19/2012 at 3:57am

The Chinese Viscaria is much faster and harder (being thicker) than both ZJK and Japanese Viscaria. Yet the price is much softer. Wink



Posted By: doraemon
Date Posted: 04/19/2012 at 4:24am
Originally posted by Imago Imago wrote:

The Chinese Viscaria is much faster and harder (being thicker) than both ZJK and Japanese Viscaria. Yet the price is much softer. Wink



Could it be the fake version?? Wink


Posted By: Imago
Date Posted: 04/19/2012 at 5:20am

No way! Wink



Posted By: peter79
Date Posted: 04/19/2012 at 5:34am
Imago, do you mean Yinhe clone is the Chinese Viscaria?

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Andro Wanokiwami AO Offensive 83 gr
H3 National Orange 40 deg 2.2
Baracuda Max
182 Gr



Posted By: Imago
Date Posted: 04/19/2012 at 5:44am
No, I mean this one
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=9837732547 - http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=9837732547


Posted By: 7plies
Date Posted: 04/19/2012 at 6:46am
Is the c-pen version of the ZJK essentially the same as the flared version?


Posted By: sa01
Date Posted: 04/19/2012 at 12:45pm
so is there a difference between viscaria, timo boll spirit and zhang jike????
in terms of composition I mean....
I heard viscaria has balsa core while tbs has kiri.
what about zhang jike?


Posted By: vvu.tee
Date Posted: 04/19/2012 at 2:07pm
imago, for that matter,  the next fake viscaria that you get from taobao may be thinner than the real one...

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(1) BTY T64 - BTY M.MAZE - BTY T05
(2) BTY T64 - BTY M.MAZE - DHS H3 Neo Provincial


Posted By: peter79
Date Posted: 04/19/2012 at 10:28pm
Originally posted by sa01 sa01 wrote:

so is there a difference between viscaria, timo boll spirit and zhang jike????
in terms of composition I mean....
I heard viscaria has balsa core while tbs has kiri.
what about zhang jike?


I don't think Viscaria has balsa core....
Not sure whether is a hard type of balsa...
My Donic Opticon RS which has a balsa core, is very soft, and looks different with Viscaria's


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Andro Wanokiwami AO Offensive 83 gr
H3 National Orange 40 deg 2.2
Baracuda Max
182 Gr



Posted By: Brainstorm69
Date Posted: 04/19/2012 at 10:42pm
According to http://ttbdb.com - http://ttbdb.com the Viscaria does have a balsa core.

They say it's koto-ac-limba-balsa-limba-ac-koto

But I do think balsa can be harder than you might think.  I was at the College TT championships last weekend, and Butterfly was hawking their wares.  Among the blades I looked at was a Balsa Carbo X-5.  The balsa layer seemed pretty hard for balsa to me.  Not to mention the thing weighed 90g!





Posted By: JohnnyChop
Date Posted: 04/20/2012 at 1:21am
How thick is the zjk compare to the vascaria and tbs and tb t5000?

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Nittaku Fastarc G1 Butterfly Cypress Max


Posted By: sa01
Date Posted: 04/20/2012 at 1:56am
Originally posted by peter79 peter79 wrote:

Originally posted by sa01 sa01 wrote:

so is there a difference between viscaria, timo boll spirit and zhang jike????
in terms of composition I mean....
I heard viscaria has balsa core while tbs has kiri.
what about zhang jike?


I don't think Viscaria has balsa core....
Not sure whether is a hard type of balsa...
My Donic Opticon RS which has a balsa core, is very soft, and looks different with Viscaria's


yeah, if you touch balsa with your nail you'll leave a mark.
after reading messages here and in other threads I guess viscaria, tbs, tb alc and zhang jike are all pretty much the same blade, it's just a marketing thing + colors, handles, etc.


Posted By: peter79
Date Posted: 04/20/2012 at 2:06am
Originally posted by JohnnyChop JohnnyChop wrote:

How thick is the zjk compare to the vascaria and tbs and tb t5000?


ZJK and Viscaria has the same thickness, 5.8 mm, TBS 5.7 mm , TB T5000 5.5 mm


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Andro Wanokiwami AO Offensive 83 gr
H3 National Orange 40 deg 2.2
Baracuda Max
182 Gr



Posted By: peter79
Date Posted: 04/20/2012 at 2:09am
Originally posted by sa01 sa01 wrote:


yeah, if you touch balsa with your nail you'll leave a mark.
after reading messages here and in other threads I guess viscaria, tbs, tb alc and zhang jike are all pretty much the same blade, it's just a marketing thing + colors, handles, etc.


I think Viscaria also use Kiri, but it's softer...
TBS has harder kiri core...
ZJK also use softer kiri core but the top ply is already sealed which make it harder than Viscaria. I compare my 90 gr Viscaria with my 90 Gr ZJK...
But my 93 gr Viscaria is as hard as ZJK...



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Andro Wanokiwami AO Offensive 83 gr
H3 National Orange 40 deg 2.2
Baracuda Max
182 Gr



Posted By: Imago
Date Posted: 04/20/2012 at 2:39am
Originally posted by vvu.tee vvu.tee wrote:

imago, for that matter,  the next fake viscaria that you get from taobao may be thinner than the real one...
 
Viscaria has misprints, so they are all fakes to me - both Chinese and Japanese. When BTY learn how to print the word "performance" I would reconsider my shopping intentions. Wink


Posted By: sa01
Date Posted: 04/20/2012 at 1:07pm
Originally posted by peter79 peter79 wrote:

Originally posted by sa01 sa01 wrote:


yeah, if you touch balsa with your nail you'll leave a mark.
after reading messages here and in other threads I guess viscaria, tbs, tb alc and zhang jike are all pretty much the same blade, it's just a marketing thing + colors, handles, etc.


I think Viscaria also use Kiri, but it's softer...
TBS has harder kiri core...
ZJK also use softer kiri core but the top ply is already sealed which make it harder than Viscaria. I compare my 90 gr Viscaria with my 90 Gr ZJK...
But my 93 gr Viscaria is as hard as ZJK...



I recently bought a zjk.
are you suggesting I don't seal it?


Posted By: peter79
Date Posted: 04/20/2012 at 10:48pm
Originally posted by sa01 sa01 wrote:


I recently bought a zjk.
are you suggesting I don't seal it?


What kind of WBG do you use? Do you use hair dyer with cool wind to blow it dry?
I use waterbase glue made in Indonesia "Glue n Spin" which is a thicker version of Water base glue.
Normally I use 6-8 layers of Haifu Waterbase glue, now I use 3 layers GnS...
The bond is as strong as Nittaku Fine zip, not sure if there's a stronger bond of any other brand of glue.

The dragon print doesn't peeled of when I remove the rubber 6 times already now, so don't worry for splinter Wink


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Andro Wanokiwami AO Offensive 83 gr
H3 National Orange 40 deg 2.2
Baracuda Max
182 Gr



Posted By: peter79
Date Posted: 04/20/2012 at 10:49pm
I found Roxon 500 Pro is too fast on backhand....
H3 National is fast enough on Viscaria....
I'm waiting for Tin Arc 37 2.0 to arrive and will try it on backhand, I hope it has better spin but slower...


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Andro Wanokiwami AO Offensive 83 gr
H3 National Orange 40 deg 2.2
Baracuda Max
182 Gr



Posted By: peter79
Date Posted: 04/21/2012 at 6:36am
I've just got another 2 Viscaria 91.2 gr and 92.7 gr Embarrassed
So far the weight is 90.5, 91.2, 92.7 and 93.3...
It all feels different each other, the more close feel is the 91.2 gr and 92.7 gr...

I've just cut Tin Arc 37 2.0 on Viscaria, it's very brittle, I glue the brittle sponge with rubber cement applying with needle. Now the sponge doesn't looks brittle anymore.
It feels harder than Roxon 500 pro.
The feel is unique, like hybrid between chinese and german, it has a nice feel.
It's fast enough on Viscaria, I will try it tomorrow.
It takes 5 times playing to break in, Rokphish said...




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Andro Wanokiwami AO Offensive 83 gr
H3 National Orange 40 deg 2.2
Baracuda Max
182 Gr



Posted By: sa01
Date Posted: 04/21/2012 at 11:32am
Originally posted by peter79 peter79 wrote:

Originally posted by sa01 sa01 wrote:


I recently bought a zjk.
are you suggesting I don't seal it?


What kind of WBG do you use? Do you use hair dyer with cool wind to blow it dry?
I use waterbase glue made in Indonesia "Glue n Spin" which is a thicker version of Water base glue.
Normally I use 6-8 layers of Haifu Waterbase glue, now I use 3 layers GnS...
The bond is as strong as Nittaku Fine zip, not sure if there's a stronger bond of any other brand of glue.

The dragon print doesn't peeled of when I remove the rubber 6 times already now, so don't worry for splinter Wink


I've been using speed glue.
but the bond kind of sucks so I'll try haifu wbg.
I think I'll put one layer of sealer just to be sure I don't break anything.


Posted By: brayden
Date Posted: 04/22/2012 at 8:01am
My btty zjk bh side is harder than the forehand side. And no if u bounce the ball on The blade, if it feels dead(not a lot of vibration), means that the power is concentrated, thus more heavy. If there is more vibration, it just means the power is spread out over the blade, thus lighter


Posted By: peter79
Date Posted: 04/22/2012 at 8:31am
Originally posted by brayden brayden wrote:

My btty zjk bh side is harder than the forehand side. And no if u bounce the ball on The blade, if it feels dead(not a lot of vibration), means that the power is concentrated, thus more heavy. If there is more vibration, it just means the power is spread out over the blade, thus lighter


How Heavy is your ZJK? do you seal the blade?
I found a 92 gr Viscaria in the shop, it has dead feel and faster than any other Viscaria I try to test.
Well I prefer a blade which has a nice feel and vibration, has a good dwell, not too low, not too high.


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Andro Wanokiwami AO Offensive 83 gr
H3 National Orange 40 deg 2.2
Baracuda Max
182 Gr



Posted By: brayden
Date Posted: 04/22/2012 at 8:54am
Mine btty zjk is 90g, I don't seal my blade(once u seal ur blade,ur fate of ur blade is sealed) :)


Posted By: peter79
Date Posted: 04/22/2012 at 9:00am
Originally posted by brayden brayden wrote:

Mine btty zjk is 90g, I don't seal my blade(once u seal ur blade,ur fate of ur blade is sealed) :)


Mine is 90 gr too, and I don't seal the blade, since it's sealed from factory...
Check the ply of your ZJK, is the FH side and BH side has equal thickness?
If you feel Bh side is faster, it probably has thicker top ply on the back hand side...


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Andro Wanokiwami AO Offensive 83 gr
H3 National Orange 40 deg 2.2
Baracuda Max
182 Gr



Posted By: brayden
Date Posted: 04/22/2012 at 9:12am
Hahas, I don't really measure The thickness.However, I prefer a harder and faster feel for my bh since I can have more power from it since our bh is usually weaker than our fh.


Posted By: brayden
Date Posted: 04/22/2012 at 9:26am
So sorry. my btty zjk is 88g xp. Which is damn light


Posted By: ejmaster
Date Posted: 04/22/2012 at 9:45am
Originally posted by brayden brayden wrote:

Mine btty zjk is 90g, I don't seal my blade(once u seal ur blade,ur fate of ur blade is sealed) :)
 
just feel your blade not sealed in the water getting mushy. :(
factory sealing usually is bs.


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EJ Club.

MM T05(fh)/Srvfx(bh); InfVps,LSW,Viscaria,RwV,TBAlc,PG7,yextsc,yeo. EJmaster wood.


Posted By: xander7803
Date Posted: 04/22/2012 at 11:09am
which blade is better Jike or TB ALC? anyone tried them both?


Posted By: ejmaster
Date Posted: 04/22/2012 at 11:13am
imo a good tb alc (+91gr.) is better blade with tenergy than a zjk by far.
better performance, looping, blocking, sharpness, feeling.
 
 


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EJ Club.

MM T05(fh)/Srvfx(bh); InfVps,LSW,Viscaria,RwV,TBAlc,PG7,yextsc,yeo. EJmaster wood.


Posted By: peter79
Date Posted: 04/22/2012 at 11:14am
Originally posted by xander7803 xander7803 wrote:

which blade is better Jike or TB ALC? anyone tried them both?


I've tried both, TB ALC is 94 Gr ST handle, while ZJK 90 gr FL handle...
I use H3 National on both blades....
I feel ZJK suit H3 more than TB ALC...
It has better feel, TB ALC has muted feel...
TB ALC is more flexible than ZJK....
For me ZJK is a better blade...


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Andro Wanokiwami AO Offensive 83 gr
H3 National Orange 40 deg 2.2
Baracuda Max
182 Gr



Posted By: brayden
Date Posted: 04/22/2012 at 11:27am
Hahas, that's what I heard from the reviews too. I also heard that viscaria has a softer feeling than btty zjk, thus making it much more easier to loop. And I think btty zjk is amazing with the h3 neo Nat 2.15/39 bs(tuned with dianchi)I am using now.


Posted By: peter79
Date Posted: 04/22/2012 at 11:31am
I found Viscaria is more forgiving than ZJK, more predictable, better for blocking, that's why I never use ZJK now hehe...

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Andro Wanokiwami AO Offensive 83 gr
H3 National Orange 40 deg 2.2
Baracuda Max
182 Gr



Posted By: xander7803
Date Posted: 04/23/2012 at 3:58pm
ejmaster i will take your advice on TB ALC with tenergies on both. I will switch from petr Korbel with T05 on FH and T64 on Bh to TB AlC. I heard it is the closest to Korbel when moving from allwood to composite



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