Footwork advice needed!
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Topic: Footwork advice needed!
Posted By: ttEDGE - William
Subject: Footwork advice needed!
Date Posted: 04/27/2012 at 9:48am
I'm asking for some help from the MyTT community for a project I'm doing:
I would really appreciate any feedback you could give. ------------- ttEDGE.com http://www.ttedge.com" rel="nofollow - Table Tennis Coaching Vidoes by http://www.ttedge.com/william-henzell-table-tennis" rel="nofollow - William Henzell |
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Posted By: GeneralSpecific
Date Posted: 04/27/2012 at 10:02am
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1. As a right handed player, I'm not too sure of the proper footwork to take a forehand on my left side when I'm already deep on the right side. As an example, If I'm in a rally against another right hander, hitting forehand side to forehand side and suddenly the ball is hit somewhat wide to my left (not so wide that it would completely require a backhand), I find myself using a weak off position backhand stroke that is either very easy for the opponent to capitalize on or misses the table entirely.
2. It's because I do not know what the correct footwork is.
3. Unfortunately not at this time. I'm a college student and money isn't as available as I would like it to be.
Though please understand William that I have complete respect for you and this whole ttEDGE business is a really great idea. ------------- Blade - Xiom 36.5 ALX FL Forehand - Xiom Omega V Asia 2.0mm Backhand - Victas Curl P5V with Der Materialspezialist Firestorm Soft/Outkill 1.8mm sponge |
Posted By: jrscatman
Date Posted: 04/27/2012 at 10:30am
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For me the biggest problem is forgetting to keep the feet moving. When I do remember to keep the feet moving - I don't seem to be in sync with the ball. What would very useful for me is tips on timing and rhythm. Another question I have is - most of us are looking at elite atheletes and trying to imitate them. Without the talent, skills or the training. Is there footwork techniques available to the amateur players - that can be utilized by the club players? If not can you create one? I would pay for footwork video - if it's not too expensive, also it has to offer more than what is freely available on youtube. ------------- Butterfly MPS FH: Donic Acuda S1 BH: Palio CK531A OX |
Posted By: mjamja
Date Posted: 04/27/2012 at 10:31am
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For reference I am a right-handed shakehand player about USATT 1600 rating 1. a)Moving to the left to hit with my Fh when the ball is hit to my elbow
b)Moving to the far right to cover the wide to Fh serve return
c)Not returning to more central position after making any larger move to either side. Feels like I am always stuck out wide of the table even if the move to get to the ball seemed well done.
2. I think I understand the basics of the correct movements. But in game situations I just do not seem to make the correct movements. With robot and slower speeds I seem to make the movements ok, but at game speed everything breaks down and I move differently.
3. Probably not. That may change as I think I am losing my coach and will be doing more self coaching in the future.
Mark
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Posted By: Thomasson
Date Posted: 04/27/2012 at 10:51am
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1: My moving in general could be better if I focus on it, but the main problem for me is, the opponent hits 4 balls in a row, then he hits 1 slightly off which goes to my hip, then instead of stepping I mostly just try to hang as far as I can and hit it anyway, this happens almost always. 2: I know what to do, my feet just seem to glue to the floor if I havent really have to more for a few balls, I think I might have a fix for it though (when playing topspin use more hipmovement, this make me move my feet and automatically stay in movement) 3: Like someone said above, if its better then youtube material and if you aren't wearing white shirts. Not sure if you give the tips while wearing white shirts but it annoys me. *just checked, its not you:P* ------------- Blade: TB ALC FH: Tenergy05 2.1 BH: Tenergy64 1.7 |
Posted By: Leshxa
Date Posted: 04/27/2012 at 11:24am
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I think for the most part, footwork is not something that can be learned from videos for several reasons. First, if you know the footwork ( the actual steps ) and work on it without the ball, it becomes useless when the ball is introduced because of the high level of coordination that involves the ball with the footwork. Second, it is almost impossible to "get it" just from seeing it - there are many elements involved in the footwork. Reading where the ball will go needs to happen before moving and at my level this is not done well enough. Next, understanding angles and where your position needs to be after a certain shot is another reason where we lack footwork because we simply do not know WHERE to move - instead merely reacting. From what I've seen at my modest level, people have trouble with a few elements in terms of footwork: 1. Moving out to a wide ball on the forehand 2. Moving out far from table on the forehand and coming in close to the table on a subsequent soft shot also on the forehand. 3. Moving out to a wide ball on the forehand and coming back to a wide ball to the backhand. ( also an element of moving back and not being able to cover the distance, but this one is most likely not a footwork problem, but a problem of a shot selection ) 4. Getting stuck ( not using any footwork ) when attacked in the crossover. Things that are done pretty well ( because most people practice this ) 1. Backhand/Forehand transitions from the same point 2. Backhand forehand transitions from backhand corner and middle of the table. 3. Pivot around the backhand to use the forehand William, I guess if you can put the information in such a fashion that explains not the actual footwork, but the uses of the footwork and reading of the angles, this would be more applicable and much more beneficial for the learning player. I am definitely interested in something that would explain this in detail. Not sure what the cost of this would be, but I guess the average price of other videos out there ( 20 -25 bucks ) would be reasonable. Other points to consider if you choose to create the video, is to show how to minimize play against your footwork. Lets say a player knows that he can't cover the distance because of whatever reasons. And the player plays closer, but still had trouble. It would be good to show how to use the angles properly in order to bring the ball into the line of play where footwork demands would be minimal. This would be best to show in terms of forehand and backhand dominant players alike. Also for left and right handed players. Good luck with your project. Please update us on it from time to time. Thanks, Alex ------------- Back to table tennis... |
Posted By: ttEDGE - William
Date Posted: 04/27/2012 at 11:26am
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Thanks so much guys. I leave Vienna on Monday so I'm trying to get on overview on whether we've forgotten anything and I think we're good. A whole new world has opened up to me during my time at the Werner Schlager Academy. I've worked with good coaches before and made it to just outside the top 100, but only now after my time here do I feel like I have learned how to move properly. I didn't know what I didn't know. @jrscatman - there are only a few guys in the world who can move like Ma Lin or Ryu Seung Min. I learned that fast movement is much more about correct footwork technique than leg strength or hours of footwork training. The feet moving in the right order with the right weight transfer and some simple points to keep in mind will improve anyone's footwork. I haven't seen anything on youtube quite like what we're doing so I hope we'll be bringing something new to the table. And I completely understand that many just won't be interested in paying. ------------- ttEDGE.com http://www.ttedge.com" rel="nofollow - Table Tennis Coaching Vidoes by http://www.ttedge.com/william-henzell-table-tennis" rel="nofollow - William Henzell |
Posted By: Leshxa
Date Posted: 04/27/2012 at 11:32am
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Thank you, William. It is very aspiring to see that even high level players such as yourself find still learn new things that you "didn't know". Us, the amateurs, are constantly in this state forever seeking many pieces of the puzzle to this wonderful game. Thank you in advance for sharing your knowledge with us. ------------- Back to table tennis... |
Posted By: ttEDGE - William
Date Posted: 04/27/2012 at 11:48am
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Thanks Leshxa, you got in just before me with your big reply! What we'll be hoping to show is how using the right movements and weight transfers will leave you in a position to cover the opponent's shots more effectively. I did not realise how much of an impact poor footwork, balance, movement patterns was having on my ability to be able to react to where I had to be for the next shot. I turned out I wasn't just 'slow' but was doing things wrong. If I'm putting all my weight on my right foot (without really realising it) after playing a wide forehand then it's no surprise I don't have leverage to get back into a good position for my next shot and will be slow to move and react to ANY shot the opponent plays. I hear you about the type of directional tactics video you are after. I do this in my match analysis videos on the website however certainly think there is scope for a more in-depth look of how to use placements and tactics to your advantage based on your strengths and weaknesses.
I can't believe how much I've learned during my time in Austria. It's all about who you work with and how much they care about making you better. ------------- ttEDGE.com http://www.ttedge.com" rel="nofollow - Table Tennis Coaching Vidoes by http://www.ttedge.com/william-henzell-table-tennis" rel="nofollow - William Henzell |
Leshxa wrote:Posted By: racquetsforsale
Date Posted: 04/27/2012 at 11:58am
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I can execute the 3 point footwork as demonstrated by RSM below, keeping my stance wide and not bringing my feet together. I can't, however, even begin to glide laterally like Xu Xin does. I can see how RSM pivots and pushes off with his legs to get moving, but I can't figure out how XX is doing it. Could be the camera angle, but XX appears to pivot less, almost as though he is using only his feet to drive his body. |
Posted By: JimT
Date Posted: 04/27/2012 at 12:18pm
Thanks, William. That's a rather important and touchy subject for me - as well as for many veterans who do not have good footwork or simply cannot move as fluidly now as they could 20-30-40 years ago (bad back, bad knees, extra weight etc.) 1. Quick 1-2 step to the left is certainly one of my weaker points. Also my feet often react after my hands, which is not good - so I miss relatively easy balls reaching for them instead of making half-step first then (or while) executing the stroke 2. Both. Right now it is more physical constraints, but when I was much younger I was not properly coached about footwork (except for general slogans like "footwork is super-important" and "brain-feet-hands" - this one could have helped if we had any actual exercises to imprint it on us). 3. Not really, I guess. It is too late for me now (almost 50 yrs old now). The thing is, that I know (more or less) my main footwork problems and I work on them a bit (as much as my physique allows) but I can only chip away at them a little... and probably there is no point in working on more specific stuff. Also I am working on losing some weight which should generally help with easier footwork. One other problem is improper balance of my body. Because I have some knee problems I avoid bending the knees too much which leads to me keeping the legs straight most of the time - that's not good for many shots and for doing quick movements before the stroke. Even when I bend the knees I have this bad habit of quickly "dropping my butt" which means I often commit too early to the final position. Any general advice on that - anyone? ------------- Single Ply Hinoki Club, Founding Member Say "no!" to expensive table tennis equipment. Please... |
Posted By: ttEDGE - William
Date Posted: 04/27/2012 at 12:28pm
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XX is doing some very specific things with his feet, legs and body that are easily missed if you don't know exactly what to look for. It all goes so fast that the details are lost. I have been searching for existing videos that show how each part moves and explain what part does what, in which order and why but haven't found much. The Chinese know how to move very, very well. What RSM is doing in his video is much simpler than what XX is doing. Thanks Jim! :) ------------- ttEDGE.com http://www.ttedge.com" rel="nofollow - Table Tennis Coaching Vidoes by http://www.ttedge.com/william-henzell-table-tennis" rel="nofollow - William Henzell |
Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 04/27/2012 at 12:38pm
| My biggest problem is not moving far enough to the left when I want to step around and loop (I am right handed). For me it is a combination of age and laziness. |
Posted By: ZingyDNA
Date Posted: 04/27/2012 at 12:53pm
| I seem to have a "heavy" left foot (I'm right-handed), especially with a ball to my far right. For some reason it's easier for me to move to the left and take a FH. Maybe it's because of the back swing... |
Posted By: ttEDGE - William
Date Posted: 04/27/2012 at 12:59pm
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"Heavy left foot" is a common term for certain movements and is a good thing Zingy.
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Posted By: ZingyDNA
Date Posted: 04/27/2012 at 1:02pm
OK, I'd like to know how to make this a good thing for my game  |
Posted By: swampthing
Date Posted: 04/27/2012 at 1:03pm
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IMO, The tackiness of the floor surface plays a role too. My footwork seems better on a floor with more forgiveness than a glossy gym floor that's like fly paper. But I don't want to digress too much :) Thanks for the great post William! 1. Moving to my right is less coordinated. I have tried scissor stepping on a tread mill at low speed and I can move much better and faster going to my left. 2. Both (currently trying to bring my weight down to help though) 3. Yes
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Posted By: ttEDGE - William
Date Posted: 04/27/2012 at 1:10pm
Ha! And I'm the opposite swamp. I hate any sort of slipping or gliding. You'll see a thick mash of wet tissue paper next to the table for any match that I'm playing on red mat flooring. I wipe my soles down after every point. Thanks for your feedback. ------------- ttEDGE.com http://www.ttedge.com" rel="nofollow - Table Tennis Coaching Vidoes by http://www.ttedge.com/william-henzell-table-tennis" rel="nofollow - William Henzell |
Posted By: curtisburger
Date Posted: 04/27/2012 at 1:29pm
| I have spent many hours analyzing footwork on youtube and learned a lot, but I've never had it explained. From my experience I would agree with you that it is mostly just the right technique, not just ahleticism. I would like to hear what you learned. I think it would be helpful to include some footwork analysis in actual matchplay as well as training exercise analysis. I would pay $20-$25 for a download of 45 min to 1 hour. |
Posted By: jrscatman
Date Posted: 04/27/2012 at 1:43pm
William, Thanks very much - If you could provide the basics that can be utilised by the average club player - I would pay for that. Good luck with the footwork project. In my opinion this is the most important skill players must learn. ------------- Butterfly MPS FH: Donic Acuda S1 BH: Palio CK531A OX |
Posted By: garwor
Date Posted: 04/27/2012 at 1:51pm
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1. my main problem is how to move on any side when receiving service, looks like I'm 10 times slower than when playing point. Also, far right movement, especially during service receive. 2. I both don't know proper footwork and could be I'm not fit because of too much sitting at comp. 3. Today knowledge is not free, we all know this. And good advices can be worth more than any blade and rubber. But also is fact it's hard to learn by watching the video, without intense practicing, and understanding your body physics and centers of mass and weight transfer and probably many more things. Still, I think' I'd rather invest some money into knowledge instead of in new average priced blade for example. ------------- http://stonitenis.rs/equipmentreviews" rel="nofollow - Equipment database Yinhe MC-2 FL fh: Xiom Vega pro bh: Xiom Vega pro Boycott Marcos Freitas for hidden services! |
Posted By: ttEDGE - William
Date Posted: 04/27/2012 at 1:55pm
Thanks for giving me your first ever post here curtis! I think (hope)
there are many in your situation. It's the detailed explanation of what
your options are in different situations (and what choosing each option
will mean for your power, movement and recovery) that I've had found is
missing. I want to create a clear picture in the viewer's mind about
what it looks like. If I can't picture myself doing a stroke or movement
then I can't recreate it on the table in a consistent way.
Over the past week I've been doing a string of interviews with the players and coaches here in Vienna that I'll be making videos, about different skills in TT, of and putting on youtube. A lot on the go at the moment! They almost all mention how correct footwork is the basis for all power, movement, recovery, balance and basically everything else! ------------- ttEDGE.com http://www.ttedge.com" rel="nofollow - Table Tennis Coaching Vidoes by http://www.ttedge.com/william-henzell-table-tennis" rel="nofollow - William Henzell |
Posted By: chronos
Date Posted: 04/27/2012 at 2:26pm
| Really looking forward to this project; I'd definitely buy a copy of the videos. |
Posted By: RankAmateur
Date Posted: 04/27/2012 at 2:36pm
| I tell you this is so similar to boxing, the whole idea of smooth movement of the feet, both lateral and forward and backward, without crossing the legs or bringing them together, then using the hips to lead the body and generate power with the arms and wrists. Remarkable how similar some sports can be. I think I need to dust off my memory from boxing in the 80s if I expect to become a good TT player. |
Posted By: ttEDGE - William
Date Posted: 04/27/2012 at 2:59pm
I'll keep everyone posted when we're getting close to release. Will take some time to work through all the footage... You are so right rank. Many sports overlap in terms of optimal mechanics. Some we spoke about while scripting and filming were the similarities between some of the movements forehand topspin in TT and the throwing motion in discus or hammer throw. ------------- ttEDGE.com http://www.ttedge.com" rel="nofollow - Table Tennis Coaching Vidoes by http://www.ttedge.com/william-henzell-table-tennis" rel="nofollow - William Henzell |
Posted By: arg0
Date Posted: 04/27/2012 at 4:33pm
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RankAmateur, I agree with you. I regularly do http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerobic_kickboxing - aerobic kickboxing for fitness and sometimes, after TT training, I have some fun by doing TT movements, instead of the boxing movements, on the pedestal punching bag. It's amazing how some basics are the same. Also I feel I'm moving much faster since I do. As to William's questions:
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Posted By: dici
Date Posted: 04/29/2012 at 11:29pm
1. Moving to the left from far FH side lol...I'm right handed 2. Weight transfer, this is the most bothering me. I have been try a few methods in order to mimic xu xin movement or the one should in basic footwork video, but unable to. 3. hm... I don't know right now, since I had to focus on my job career instead of TT at these 3-6 months If I got a job and there is a good TT club over there, then mostly.... |
Posted By: metalone
Date Posted: 04/30/2012 at 1:50am
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Yes, I would be willing to pay for a video that covers proper footwork.
1. Proper weight transfer and recovery position - balanced position for FH and BH
- I open my right side for looping, but get caught in a bad position if the return is fast to my BH - I am a righty
2. movement to wide FH and wide BH, do you use shuffle side to side, cross over etc
3. In and out movement ------------- Gave up listing, too many changes. Blade - Yes BH - Rubber Red FH - Rubber Black |
Posted By: ttEDGE - William
Date Posted: 04/30/2012 at 2:59am
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Great! We did a long filming session yesterday on this. I've just got a few more bits and pieces to film today before I leave to go back to Australia tonight. Last question - what would be your preferred method of delivery in general? - DVD? - Web streaming? - Video download? ------------- ttEDGE.com http://www.ttedge.com" rel="nofollow - Table Tennis Coaching Vidoes by http://www.ttedge.com/william-henzell-table-tennis" rel="nofollow - William Henzell |
Posted By: garwor
Date Posted: 04/30/2012 at 4:54am
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one question in case you make videos, I'm registered on ttedge site from long time ago, but never was able to look at any video there, i've tried with several players, but it cant play with any. Anybody else has same problem? ------------- http://stonitenis.rs/equipmentreviews" rel="nofollow - Equipment database Yinhe MC-2 FL fh: Xiom Vega pro bh: Xiom Vega pro Boycott Marcos Freitas for hidden services! |
Posted By: ttEDGE - William
Date Posted: 04/30/2012 at 6:44am
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Hi garwor. You would have had a free silver membership. The website has only been available to Windows computers but this will soon change. We've got a whole new structure coming and the videos will be playable on macs, ipads, tablets, etc.
The first lot of DVD's/videos in longer format will be coming out around the same time as the new structure is released. If you require any assistance or are having problems playing any videos just contact [email protected] and we'll sort this out for you. ------------- ttEDGE.com http://www.ttedge.com" rel="nofollow - Table Tennis Coaching Vidoes by http://www.ttedge.com/william-henzell-table-tennis" rel="nofollow - William Henzell |
Posted By: dici
Date Posted: 04/30/2012 at 7:29am
web stream/download. I prefer these both together, as there were too many DVDs sitting in my house |
Posted By: chronos
Date Posted: 05/28/2012 at 1:13pm
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BUMP! Just wanted to reiterate interest on this project, and also throw out a few specific questions. My friend made an interesting observation this week - when I'm moving, my left foot (I'm lefty) tends to point outwards, parallel to the edge of the table almost. I think this is a big problem - it makes it much harder to move, compared to when my foot is pointed forward. I'm so glad he pointed this out. So I've been trying to develop footwork where, when hitting a forehand, as I turn I also turn my foot out (parallel to edge), but when I finish my forehand shot, the foot points forward. I've seen this in videos but wanted to know if I'm on track here, does this make sense? Another specific footwork pattern that I'm having problems with, and also a lot of opponents of mine struggle with: I'm a lefty, and I can place a serve wide, wide out into the forehand side of a righty, short, just 4 inches behind the net on the line with underspin - its not over the table, but needs to be taken early out on the side of the table. Whats the footwork for this? More generally, what footwork should I use to get in position to play a forehand receive on the line short on the forehand side? I've been working to take a big step, almost crossing over, which seems to work but curious about this particular pattern. Finally, I'm curious about the footwork transitioning from forehand to playing a backhand, and vice versa. This ties into the question above - a lot of players seem to square off more for the backhand, then open up for the forehand with their feet, turning the right foot (for righties) out when playing the forehand, but curious about more details. My footwork really needs a lot of work. Especially wide balls give me problems - I make a strong return, but I'm too unstable to play a quality shot after that if the opponent gets it back. I really look forward to these videos / DVDs. |
Posted By: power7
Date Posted: 05/28/2012 at 10:18pm
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1. Pivot points - at the corners of the table you step around the table with the foot near that edge. So if you're going around the left fh side to return a short ball going off the side of the table, you step around with you left. 2. corner to corner - most players will take 1 step going from corner to corner. if the game is really fast pace they just hop from corner to corner. 3. FH foot position - start with your left foot slightly behind you right. When you hit hop so that you feet are now parallel. The next hop you're going to position yourself for the next ball. You're going to have to decide if it is FH or BH. Then hop up with your hit. Then hop to the next position... you can practice footwork without actually hitting. just shadow hit while concentrating on keeping the timing of your hops rhythmic. ------------- DHS PG-7, H3 Neo, 729-5 Butterfly Power-7, Red TG2 Neo 39degree, Black Donic Bluefire M1 |
Posted By: chronos
Date Posted: 05/28/2012 at 11:28pm
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Wow power7, gold!!!! Pivot points: makes perfect sense. When I'm hopping to play a forehand, I turn my foot outwards (parallel to the edge of the table) while turning my body? I think this is what you mean in 3) Can you describe the footwork when stepping around to play a forehand in the backhand corner? THANKS!!! |
Posted By: power7
Date Posted: 05/29/2012 at 8:54am
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The feet turn outward because 1) hard to keep a low stance with feet point forward (only traditional martial arts have a stance like that) 2) you don't know if you are going left or right when playing next ball. Once you are in position feet pointing is not that critical, since on your next hop when you hit the ball, your feet will land with toe pointed forward. Most attackers play shakehand like penholders and cover the whole table with FH. These players just slide off the BH side of the table in 1 step and attack with FH drive or loop. To drill this just stand in the BH corner, step diagonally out and back with your right foot, then left foot follows. Then attack the ball with your lefthanded FH. You step back a bit to give yourself room to attack, as ball goes off the table. ------------- DHS PG-7, H3 Neo, 729-5 Butterfly Power-7, Red TG2 Neo 39degree, Black Donic Bluefire M1 |
Posted By: power7
Date Posted: 05/30/2012 at 1:20am
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Here is an example of siding off the BH side to attack with FH. He's a righty and considered so-so in Table Tennis. Just copy him (or mirror him since you're a lefty) for now till you get better. ------------- DHS PG-7, H3 Neo, 729-5 Butterfly Power-7, Red TG2 Neo 39degree, Black Donic Bluefire M1 |
Posted By: dingyibvs
Date Posted: 05/30/2012 at 1:36am
Very right! Shadow training can be very helpful! Footwork really doesn't need to be taught, just try to move from point A to point B as quickly as possible while maintaining your balance enough for a powerful shot, you'll naturally discover the correct footwork. For example, when you launch a powerful loop drive, you put so much momentum forward that you'll lose your footing if your right foot doesn't move forward to be parallel with your left foot and return to ready position. Similarly, if you don't cross your left foot over your right to reach a shot wide to your FH, you simply won't be able to launch a powerful shot. The problem most players face is actually that they just don't have the habit of moving, so when the game starts, they forget to move, and they end up with their feet glued to the ground. The best way to develop good footwork isn't to focus on which foot should step where when, it's to start moving before every shot during training, try to hit every ball with your FH no matter where you are. Once you can do it in practice, start doing it during games. You'll lose a lot in the beginning because your mind will be focused on moving your feet rather than executing the correct stroke, but it'll eventually become a habit and you can just focus on the shot. ------------- Blade: Hurricane Long 5 (968) FL FH: D09C max BH: D09C max |
Posted By: swampthing
Date Posted: 06/03/2012 at 6:58pm
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Posted By: ZApenholder
Date Posted: 06/03/2012 at 7:18pm
Plus he is an old man now. He used to be faster when he was younger |