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Topic: Cui Baoqun - 2500 penhold hitter
Posted By: ChichoFicho
Subject: Cui Baoqun - 2500 penhold hitter
Date Posted: 04/29/2012 at 3:39pm




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Posted By: ZApenholder
Date Posted: 04/29/2012 at 4:44pm
Nice
Do you know is he is using short pimple on the FH?


Posted By: capablanca8
Date Posted: 04/29/2012 at 4:51pm
Great matches and nice short pips play!  Thanks for posting!


Posted By: stefashka
Date Posted: 04/29/2012 at 5:22pm
Originally posted by ZApenholder ZApenholder wrote:

Nice
Do you know is he is using short pimple on the FH?

He is using SP for sure - the strokes and the ball trajectory are all speaking for that.


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Posted By: bbkon
Date Posted: 04/29/2012 at 7:27pm
Originally posted by stefashka stefashka wrote:

Originally posted by ZApenholder ZApenholder wrote:

Nice
Do you know is he is using short pimple on the FH?

He is using SP for sure - the strokes and the ball trajectory are all speaking for that.


sounds very dead


Posted By: cotdt
Date Posted: 04/29/2012 at 9:21pm
he is really good!

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Posted By: skip3119
Date Posted: 04/29/2012 at 10:29pm
This reminds me another short-pip penholder player:  Liu Nai Hui.  (2552).
 
Looks like she is now concentrating in coaching rather than playing tournaments.


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Posted By: Mudkipz
Date Posted: 04/29/2012 at 11:22pm
At the Western Open this year Cui beat Timothy Want 4-1 pretty easily.


Posted By: skip3119
Date Posted: 04/29/2012 at 11:33pm
Originally posted by Mudkipz Mudkipz wrote:

At the Western Open this year Cui beat Timothy Want 4-1 pretty easily.
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Record shows Cui beat Timothy Wang 4-0.


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Posted By: AllezCho
Date Posted: 05/01/2012 at 4:07am

Not to take away from Cui Baoqun's victories or anything, but here's a match where he loses 3-1 to Dr. Le:



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Posted By: assasin8
Date Posted: 05/01/2012 at 8:21am
After watching these videos, he is also a master of illegal serves.  Not to take away that he is a good player.  Seems to be a nice guy.  


Posted By: ocvillager
Date Posted: 05/01/2012 at 12:22pm
this guys' backhand serve is so illegal. He doe snto toss at all


Posted By: AcudaDave
Date Posted: 05/01/2012 at 12:49pm
He definitely uses SP on his FH, and Iwould say he's using either LP or MP on his bh.  Probably more like an MP on his bh as he's able to attack quite well with it.  Whatever he has on his bh it's definitely thinner sponge as it's much slower.  It really seems to cause loopers problems.

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Posted By: capablanca8
Date Posted: 05/01/2012 at 1:19pm
Originally posted by AcudaDave AcudaDave wrote:

He definitely uses SP on his FH, and Iwould say he's using either LP or MP on his bh.  Probably more like an MP on his bh as he's able to attack quite well with it.  Whatever he has on his bh it's definitely thinner sponge as it's much slower.  It really seems to cause loopers problems.
I think I'm seeing primarily traditional penhold bh, which would mean that it is done with the same black side of the racket. Did I miss something?
 
I'm interested in that small chop he often does with the short pips.  For those of you who use this, is it effective?  


Posted By: AcudaDave
Date Posted: 05/01/2012 at 1:31pm
Duh...you're absolutely right.  I guess I wasn't really thinking when I watched him the first time. Was just admiring his play.  Yes he uses traditional ph bh.  It's definitely pips.  Wouldn't be surprised if it's TSP Spectol, but he might be using 802-40 with a special sponge.  The pips definitely seems to have some sinking action that cause his opponents all kinds of problems. 

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Posted By: dalamchops
Date Posted: 05/01/2012 at 1:33pm
Originally posted by AcudaDave AcudaDave wrote:

Duh...you're absolutely right.  I guess I wasn't really thinking when I watched him the first time. Was just admiring his play.  Yes he uses traditional ph bh.  It's definitely pips.  Wouldn't be surprised if it's TSP Spectol, but he might be using 802-40 with a special sponge.  The pips definitely seems to have some sinking action that cause his opponents all kinds of problems. 


All short pips will cause ball to sink if technique is right

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Posted By: AcudaDave
Date Posted: 05/01/2012 at 1:40pm
Absolutely agree dalamchops, but some SPs are worse than others and his definitely seem to be causing a lot of problems for his opponents.  Maybe someone can find out which ones he plays with.

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Posted By: sonicspin
Date Posted: 05/01/2012 at 3:19pm
Originally posted by ocvillager ocvillager wrote:

this guys' backhand serve is so illegal. He doe snto toss at all


That's right!  He did that a lot when he needed points.  And guess what?!  At the Northridge tournament, he got warnings and didn't care. Linda Hsing (the referee) couldn't and didn't do much about it. (Afraid that she could offend Gao Jun? I heard she has good reputation as a referee tough.)


Posted By: ocvillager
Date Posted: 05/01/2012 at 4:20pm
I know... but the final match he was warned and was taken off points to his opponent due to his illegal serve. But at other rounds, no body caught him even they got complains. Weird!


Posted By: ChichoFicho
Date Posted: 05/01/2012 at 4:57pm
He has great serves with lots of spin variation.  

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Posted By: ZingyDNA
Date Posted: 05/01/2012 at 5:11pm
Originally posted by dalamchops dalamchops wrote:



All short pips will cause ball to sink if technique is right


I've always been wondering what caused this sinking effect. It seems all pips, including med and long, have this effect. Is it the lack of spin? But lack of top spin would only cause the ball to float, not sink...

Also, when I play against those sinking balls, it seems like they sink after they come over to my side LOL
Why would it do that, or is it just my illusion? I mean it doesn't matter what rubber it is, once the ball leaves the racket, right?


Posted By: smackman
Date Posted: 05/01/2012 at 6:13pm
Originally posted by ocvillager ocvillager wrote:

I know... but the final match he was warned and was taken off points to his opponent due to his illegal serve. But at other rounds, no body caught him even they got complains. Weird!
 He looks like a good player but he is helped so much with his low toss trow back serves , To me it may be the real difference between him being that good or a level down,

 Would he be as good if he served properly? (just look at his serves and his ability to win that point)


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Posted By: capablanca8
Date Posted: 05/02/2012 at 1:20am
Okay, I've watched about 5 matches of his on YouTube.  Dude can really hit.  Now I know what "fast attack" means!
 
It seems that he has been playing USATT tournaments for only a short while.  Where did he play before?  And does anyone know about how old he is? 
 


Posted By: AcudaDave
Date Posted: 05/02/2012 at 9:47am
I watched several of his matches on youtube as well and he is a great player.  I don't think his serves are all that bad.  They are a little low sometimes, but he doesn't seem to do too much trickery with them.  I think he would still be a 2500 player even if he did toss the ball a little more.  His quick ph bh attack is amazing, and his fh is devasting...especially with those short pips.  He is clearly a 2500 player.  I've played a lot of 2300 players in my time and none of them play like this guy.  Would like to know what he plays with.  He's definitely fun to watch.

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Joola Dynaryz Inferno max - BH
Nittaku Moristo SP 2.0 - FH


Posted By: capablanca8
Date Posted: 05/02/2012 at 11:12am
I hope he plays the US Open this year.  It would be fun to see how he plays against other 2500-rated players there.  Of course last year the women's finals featured 2 great short pips offensive players--Liu Nai Hui and Jiaqi Zheng. I would love to see Cui play in person.
 
Anyone know what club he plays at?


Posted By: dalamchops
Date Posted: 05/02/2012 at 12:55pm
Doubt he's any famous in China rofl. 2600 players grow on trees over there

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Posted By: racquetsforsale
Date Posted: 05/02/2012 at 1:05pm
Originally posted by ZingyDNA ZingyDNA wrote:

Originally posted by dalamchops dalamchops wrote:



All short pips will cause ball to sink if technique is right


I've always been wondering what caused this sinking effect. It seems all pips, including med and long, have this effect. Is it the lack of spin? But lack of top spin would only cause the ball to float, not sink...

Also, when I play against those sinking balls, it seems like they sink after they come over to my side LOL
Why would it do that, or is it just my illusion? I mean it doesn't matter what rubber it is, once the ball leaves the racket, right?

I don't think it's an illusion. It could be because we're just so used to the trajectory and bounce of a topspin ball coming off of inverted.


Posted By: skip3119
Date Posted: 05/02/2012 at 2:05pm
Get to "Youtube" site,
 
then search for "Cui Baoqun, table tennis".
 
You can find lots of videos there of Cui playing.
(Some videos are hard to watch due to background color.)
 
One of the videos is CUI against Barney Reed.
 
I would say this guy (Cui) sure can pound the ball hard.
His traditional penhold backhand can hit the ball hard also - that's amazing.
 
*** His records so far:  Won 43 matches and lost 5.  ***
 
Shocking: Beat Barney Reed (4:1) and Timothy Wang (4:0).
(However, he did lose to a couple of 2300 level players.)


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Posted By: ZApenholder
Date Posted: 05/02/2012 at 2:52pm
Recharster
wow, you really like to post same thing over so many times in the same thread, one after the another and another. I wonder if moderators will warn you for spamming?

Let me try answer you before you add another 10 post to this thread on the same thing.

If you think you can beat him - good luck
phone number - I don't think people will share these things on the internet to strangers (we don't even share our name etc)
arrogant guy? that could be slandering, so just becareful
maybe some one can share which clubs he plays, so you can go and challenge him - remember to post a video for us

good luck


Posted By: skip3119
Date Posted: 05/02/2012 at 3:04pm
Originally posted by dalamchops dalamchops wrote:

Doubt he's any famous in China rofl. 2600 players grow on trees over there
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dalamchops: 
 
Agree with you on that.  In China, the players at that kind of level is probably a dime a dozen.


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Posted By: ZApenholder
Date Posted: 05/02/2012 at 3:11pm
Last Tuesday, an touring party from China arrived.
I later found it that it is South China Airline, Shanghai ground staff - TT club (for employees), that travel the world to play against other "corporates"

The mens were 35yrs+, the womens were in the 25~35yr, one of them was HOT.
Apprently they landed from a 16 hour+ flight  and arrived straight at the playing venue at 18:00, didn't even go into hotel, didn't eat dinner.

At 19:30 the fun tournament began, and they were playing against national and 1 or 2 provincial team players from our side. Total of 9 singles and best out of 3 games.
The Chinese mens won 5-4, the women won 9-0. The womens, the highest point taken was 11-3.

The one Chinese man, about 40~45yr won all 3 of his game. I think he can easily be our national champion, I wonder what he would be like once he eats, sleeps, adjust his jet lag, customize to the foreign playing conditions lol


Posted By: ZingyDNA
Date Posted: 05/02/2012 at 3:29pm
Originally posted by ZApenholder ZApenholder wrote:

The womens, the highest point taken was 11-3.



You mean none of your women was able to make more than 3 point a game? And you said "provincial" players of your side, are you Canadian?


Posted By: ZApenholder
Date Posted: 05/02/2012 at 3:59pm
Originally posted by ZingyDNA ZingyDNA wrote:

Originally posted by ZApenholder ZApenholder wrote:

The womens, the highest point taken was 11-3.



You mean none of your women was able to make more than 3 point a game? And you said "provincial" players of your side, are you Canadian?



No, not Canadian,
And yes, I meant the highest point loss was 3 points to 11 :)

Not sure what is up with this guy posting 20 post of the same thing....


Posted By: ZApenholder
Date Posted: 05/02/2012 at 4:12pm
Ya, LGL grand slam winner is not penholder
Ma Lin Olympic champion, world cup winner is not penholder
RSM Olympic champion is not penholder and his mentor YNK Olympic champion is not penholder
Wang Hao, World champion, world cup winner is not penholder
In fact since 1988 Olympic, there was only one penholder winner, his name was JO Waldner, the rest where all Shakehand players

Anyways, coming back to reality, I think I don't need to go back before 1990 otherwise I need to list a lot of penholders that won a lot of world champ competition. It is going to be too difficult to name all the small ones.

btw Recharster, stop spamming otherwise a lot of people will report you!



Posted By: Egghead
Date Posted: 05/02/2012 at 7:32pm
Originally posted by recharster recharster wrote:

hehe,you are right,but i just think the penholder player just can sever, can not play table tennis

whoever can make the last return win the pointLOL, who cares can u play tt or not.
BTW, I just wonder why white or close to white t-shirt is allowed when the game ball is white.


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Posted By: cotdt
Date Posted: 05/02/2012 at 9:10pm
I've found that you can't really judge the level of the player just by watching videos. A player can rally really well with beautiful form that resembles that of Ma Long's... but "only" be 2200. Whereas another player can look like a 1200 newbie, but actually play at 2400 level.

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Posted By: beeray1
Date Posted: 05/03/2012 at 12:51am
Originally posted by cotdt cotdt wrote:

I've found that you can't really judge the level of the player just by watching videos. A player can rally really well with beautiful form that resembles that of Ma Long's... but "only" be 2200. Whereas another player can look like a 1200 newbie, but actually play at 2400 level.

Even though I agree to some extent, I think it has more to do with the people who you generally see making guesses of judgement. If a 2400 level player were watching someones match, he'd be able to tell if they were at his level or not. This is only generally so accurate because 95% of the people on this forum (the ones who usually make the judgement calls) are under a 2000 level of play. Probably under an 1800 level of play even, and cannot recognize the types of play, awareness, and decision making/shot selection etc etc etc... that it takes to be at a level and instead get caught up in how good someone's strokes are or how fast they are moving around. I've been caught dead wrong assuming someone knows what they are talking about toooooo many times. Just because someone speaks like they know what they are talking about over the internet doesn't make it true. Pushblocker was a really good example because a lot of people failed to recognize his game, and looked at his physical application. He has the adjustment and gameplay to play at that level, but he isn't a physical player so a lot of people didn't understand at first (probably includes me) how he could be rated so high. "I could beat him easily" 

so I think it just goes more along with the fact that the people usually making judgement calls are at too low a level to understand, or at least recognize what is going on in a video. Spotting talent is a talent in itself. If you actually know what you're looking at, I don't think this is an issue at all. 


Posted By: AcudaDave
Date Posted: 05/03/2012 at 9:24am
Originally posted by cotdt cotdt wrote:

I've found that you can't really judge the level of the player just by watching videos. A player can rally really well with beautiful form that resembles that of Ma Long's... but "only" be 2200. Whereas another player can look like a 1200 newbie, but actually play at 2400 level.
I beg to differ cotdt.  If you know the level of the players he is playing in the video and you see how he or she performs against them you can make a pretty good educated guess as to their playing level.  And as far as a player that looks like a 1200 newbie, but actually plays at 2400 level...there is no way a 2400 player might look like a 1200 newbie.  Come on cotdt...I get we can't always estimate someone's rating accurately by watching them play in a video but there is no way we would be off that much.  We might think a 2400 player only looks like a 2200 player, but we wouldn't be off any more than that. 
I watched several of his videos and saw the one where he beat Barney Reed, and there is no way watching him you would think he's < 2400.  I watched some of his other videos where he also beat some 2400 players so you can pretty much tell he's a 2450+ player.  


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Nittaku Moristo SP 2.0 - FH


Posted By: skip3119
Date Posted: 05/03/2012 at 10:49am
If one does not know the playing level (usatt's rating) of either player in the video, how far off one's estimate can be?
 
Within 100, 200, 300 rating points?


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Posted By: skip3119
Date Posted: 05/03/2012 at 11:07am
How do you rank the players in this video against Cui Baoqun?
 
The older player (purple shirt) uses long-pips (red) and inverted (black).
The younger player (yellow shirt) uses inverted on both sides.
 
1.  Baoqun is better than both of them.
2.  Baoqun falls in-between.
3.  Baoqun is ranked last. (Means both of them are better than Baoqun). 
 
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMzI5MjM5MjQ4.html - http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMzI5MjM5MjQ4.html


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Posted By: khmd
Date Posted: 05/03/2012 at 11:55am
yellow one, who is not a professional, won some non-professional competition in "southern" part, based on footnote of some other videos posted in China's ping-pong forum.





Posted By: AcudaDave
Date Posted: 05/03/2012 at 12:01pm
Hmmm..it's pretty tough to estimate their level just from this 1 match.  My point earlier was that any of us would easily know the difference between a 1200 player and a 2400 player, but we could be off by a couple 100 pts, especially if we don't know the level of any of the players they are playing.  When you watch Baoqun playing Barney and DJ alto you know those guys are definitely above 2400 and that Baoqun is at their level. 
Watching these 2 players though, it's kind of hard to tell if they would be as good.  The younger guy in the yellow does not look nearly as strong as Baoqun.  The older guy in the purple doesn't look quite as strong either, but he does look pretty tough.  I would say Baoqun would beat either one of them.  It is kind of hard to estimate their rating though since I don't know either of them, so I guess you could be off 200 - 300 pts when watching 2 unknown players, especially if one of them has a tricky style with LP.  Just watching these 2 play I could see either of them being around 2200 give or take 150 pts. 
OK...tell us what their level is.


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Posted By: skip3119
Date Posted: 05/03/2012 at 12:13pm
Originally posted by khmd khmd wrote:

yellow one, who is not a professional, won some non-professional competition in "southern" part, based on footnote of some other videos posted in China's ping-pong forum.



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(For khmd) Also based on the comment section of the video:
The yellow shirt player came from Hainan Provincial Team.
 
AcudaDave said: "OK...tell us what their level is."
My answer:  "I don't know their level, I have no idea. I do have an opinion but will let you know later."
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AcudaDave ranked Cui Baoqun to be the #1 of these 3 players.
 
Do any other folks here care to rank them?
To get more opinion here, you can just rank them without writing long post to justify it.


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Posted By: cotdt
Date Posted: 05/03/2012 at 12:35pm
Originally posted by AcudaDave AcudaDave wrote:

Originally posted by cotdt cotdt wrote:

I've found that you can't really judge the level of the player just by watching videos. A player can rally really well with beautiful form that resembles that of Ma Long's... but "only" be 2200. Whereas another player can look like a 1200 newbie, but actually play at 2400 level.
I beg to differ cotdt.  If you know the level of the players he is playing in the video and you see how he or she performs against them you can make a pretty good educated guess as to their playing level.  And as far as a player that looks like a 1200 newbie, but actually plays at 2400 level...there is no way a 2400 player might look like a 1200 newbie.  Come on cotdt...I get we can't always estimate someone's rating accurately by watching them play in a video but there is no way we would be off that much.  We might think a 2400 player only looks like a 2200 player, but we wouldn't be off any more than that. 
I watched several of his videos and saw the one where he beat Barney Reed, and there is no way watching him you would think he's < 2400.  I watched some of his other videos where he also beat some 2400 players so you can pretty much tell he's a 2450+ player.  


I was watching pushblocker and thought he would only be rated 1600 until I saw his actual rating. It actually shouldn't have surprised me because I play against players with similar style as him (although using illegal rubbers) and they look like newbies but are actually very tough to beat. The game is slower but so much variation and changes in pace, very choppy and tricky to play.

If you watch the 2000 Olympics, LGL made Rospkoff look like a newbie. He couldn't return most of LGL's serves properly and smashed almost every ball off the table. It was so bad you wondered why he was even playing in the Olympics! In the 2004 Olympics, Waldner made Timo Boll look like he didn't belong playing in the Olympics either. Got 3rd balled by Waldner like crazy with his poor serve returns.


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Posted By: AcudaDave
Date Posted: 05/03/2012 at 12:54pm
good post skip.  I'm curious to see how other forum members would rank them. 

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Nittaku Moristo SP 2.0 - FH


Posted By: ZingyDNA
Date Posted: 05/03/2012 at 1:03pm
The older guy is a well-known LPs user in China (amateur circle, of course). I watched a vid of match between him and Li Zhi Ming, who's also a LPs user and has a USATT rating. So I more or less know his level by match result Smile

AcudaDave, I can tell you about that by PM as I don't wanna spoil it here.


Posted By: AcudaDave
Date Posted: 05/03/2012 at 1:04pm
yeah...PM me Zingy

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Joola Dynaryz Inferno max - BH
Nittaku Moristo SP 2.0 - FH


Posted By: skip3119
Date Posted: 05/03/2012 at 2:03pm
My assessment of the 2 players in the video:
 
 
I think these two players are way above Cui Baoqun by more than one level.
 
 
So far AcudaDave ranked Cui Baoqun as #1, and I ranked him as #3.
 
 
What is your opinion?


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Posted By: skip3119
Date Posted: 05/03/2012 at 3:04pm
Can any Chinese forum reader here "search and find" the background information about these 3  Chinese players?  (From videos or comment sections or any other source.)
 
黄建疆, 林明河, &  Cui Baoqun.
 
Thanks in advance.
 
Skip


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Posted By: roundrobin
Date Posted: 05/03/2012 at 3:09pm
Cui was a top provincial player in China 20 years ago, a solid 2800-level player.  To give you an idea, he was better than Gao Jun during their prime playing the same style... He coaches in China for the past ten years and rarely played matches.  He's just having fun visiting the U.S. for the past few months and did not plan to play table tennis at all... We had to buy a complete setup for him in the States, when his fingers started to itch after seeing us competing at Gao Jun's club and LATTA. 





Posted By: BigK
Date Posted: 05/03/2012 at 3:23pm
Originally posted by ZApenholder ZApenholder wrote:

Ya, LGL grand slam winner is not penholder
Ma Lin Olympic champion, world cup winner is not penholder
RSM Olympic champion is not penholder and his mentor YNK Olympic champion is not penholder
Wang Hao, World champion, world cup winner is not penholder
In fact since 1988 Olympic, there was only one penholder winner, his name was JO Waldner, the rest where all Shakehand players

Anyways, coming back to reality, I think I don't need to go back before 1990 otherwise I need to list a lot of penholders that won a lot of world champ competition. It is going to be too difficult to name all the small ones.

btw Recharster, stop spamming otherwise a lot of people will report you!




Are you saying...since I am not penholder I can become a champion?  Big smile


Posted By: power7
Date Posted: 05/03/2012 at 3:28pm
They both don't look that consistent to be 2800 level players.  




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Posted By: tsanyc
Date Posted: 05/03/2012 at 3:29pm
Originally posted by cotdt cotdt wrote:

he is really good!
SP players don't like loopers :)

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Posted By: AcudaDave
Date Posted: 05/03/2012 at 3:31pm
thanks for the update roundrobin.  wow...a 2800 player 20 years ago, rarely plays matches, they had to buy a setup for him, and he goes out and beats Barney Reed, and some other 2400 - 2500+ players...with pips out no less.  Just shows you how far behind US is when one of our top younger players loses to an older coach that rarely plays matches anymore.  It also shows that you can still play pretty well with pips out if you know how to use them.

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Joola Dynaryz Inferno max - BH
Nittaku Moristo SP 2.0 - FH


Posted By: cotdt
Date Posted: 05/03/2012 at 3:39pm
Holy crap... 2800+ player 20 years ago... that means he was just a notch below the level of LGL and the top international players of that era. I wonder if LGL still played, what level he would be. I bet people who don't know who LGL is, would say he plays like a beginner.

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Posted By: ZingyDNA
Date Posted: 05/03/2012 at 3:44pm
Originally posted by power7 power7 wrote:

They both don't look that consistent to be 2800 level players.  




Of course they're no where close to pro level. Anyway, skip wanted me to post the vid of Huang Jian Jiang (the older guy in his vid) vs. Li Zhi Ming, so here's the link:

http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMjQ0ODg4NTA0.html - http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMjQ0ODg4NTA0.html

I thought the vid was undated but it's actually dated in 2011, when Li's rating dropped below 2300 most of the time. So I'd say Huang would be in the 2200s, tops.


Posted By: power7
Date Posted: 05/03/2012 at 4:36pm

黄建疆 is not as good as Cui Baoqun.  

Based on the youtube a recent game of Cui

Cui is no longer a 2800 player.  
But it is pretty obvious to me Cui has been through some pretty intense training in the past. Just footwork alone Cui is way past Huang.  


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Posted By: skip3119
Date Posted: 05/03/2012 at 4:59pm
zingyDNA:
 
Thanks for the LP video with two LP masters against one another.
 
黄建疆, Huang Jian Jiang, has been teaching on how to play LP in China for years, and he has video lessons on the web.  Also learned on the web that 黄建疆 won a national tournament in China for players over 40 years old a few years ago.  Sure surprised that he lost to Li Zhi-Ming, another LP player.
 
Thank you very much,
 
Skip
 


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Posted By: rick_ys_ho
Date Posted: 05/03/2012 at 5:22pm
his name is 崔宝群.

http://bbs.fishtt.hk/viewthread.php?tid=13828 - http://bbs.fishtt.hk/viewthread.php?tid=13828


Posted By: beeray1
Date Posted: 05/03/2012 at 6:03pm
I would personally put Cui above the other two based on what I have seen of him. I would like to see Huang against a stronger looping player though. The guy in the yellow isn't the same caliber of player as some of the looping players Cui has beaten on youtube imo. I could be wrong since I'm nowhere near that level, but from what I can tell anyway. A good one to base off of is (even though Cui lost) is this one- 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plJC17Z6mHA - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plJC17Z6mHA
Xia Jiwei vs Cui Baoqun 

Cui does really well in this match from what I remember, even though he loses. And Xia Jiwei is a higher standard of play than the player in yellow from the other video. 

this is a good discussion. :) 


Posted By: power7
Date Posted: 05/04/2012 at 12:04am
Xia has an interesting BH flick that he uses to return serves and start his attacks mostly when the ball is on his FH side.  Surprised Cui didn't adjust his game to counter that BH flick.

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Posted By: ChichoFicho
Date Posted: 05/04/2012 at 2:00am
Originally posted by ZingyDNA ZingyDNA wrote:

[QUOTE=power7]
I thought the vid was undated but it's actually dated in 2011, when Li's rating dropped below 2300 most of the time. So I'd say Huang would be in the 2200s, tops.

 Huang is well over 2300. You cannot determine his rating on the basis of one game against Li Zhi Ming. I've heard that Li has win over Waldner.


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Posted By: skip3119
Date Posted: 05/04/2012 at 10:28am
ChichoFicho said:
Huang is well over 2300. You cannot determine his rating on the basis of one game against Li Zhi Ming. I've heard that Li has win over Waldner.
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I agree with you on that assessment. 
 
Huang (黄建疆)has played other LP players before for sure, but that match might be the very first time that Huang faced a player who hit the ball back with "LP" ALL THE TIME (100% of the time).
 
Huang didn't know what to do.  Later Huang just used the inverted and returned with high flying balls avoiding going into the net - the balls flew off the table from time to time.  One can easily see Huang didn't know what to do when every ball came to him was from "LP".
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This is from the comment section of the video (黄建疆 vs 林明河) of an earlier post:
 
林明河在广州赌球都是近万元一场的.
 
Translation:
林明河(the younger player) bets 10,000 yuan (about $1,586 US dollar) per match in the capital city of Canton Province.
 
林明河 must be darn good.  
 
 


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Posted By: ZingyDNA
Date Posted: 05/04/2012 at 11:45am
Originally posted by ChichoFicho ChichoFicho wrote:

Originally posted by ZingyDNA ZingyDNA wrote:

[QUOTE=power7]
I thought the vid was undated but it's actually dated in 2011, when Li's rating dropped below 2300 most of the time. So I'd say Huang would be in the 2200s, tops.

 Huang is well over 2300. You cannot determine his rating on the basis of one game against Li Zhi Ming. I've heard that Li has win over Waldner.

That's possible, since LPs blockers always make people look weaker. The same can be said for the young player in skip's vid (Lin Ming He), as he might be better than Huang but just wasn't used to the pips.. Still, I think they are at least a level under Cui's 2500 USATT. 


Posted By: AcudaDave
Date Posted: 05/04/2012 at 1:44pm
Zingy...I completely agree with you that they are a level under Cui.  Watch the way Cui moves, hits his bh, blocks loops, attacks underspin serves/pushes.  He is clearly a level above those players.  I also disagree with Huang not knowing what to do against the LPs.  Are you kidding me....someone that is as experienced as he is has surely faced many opponents over in China that play with LP.  That being said he looks like he could be somewhere between 2200 - 2300.  He might have been better when he was younger, but based on what I saw in the video I would say he is a solid 2200 - high 2200 player, but I wouldn't go any higher than that.  He could possibly beat some 2300 loopers, but he could also lose to some 2200 or high 2100 players that know how to play LP.  I'm almost 2200 and I play against several 2200 LP players and know how to play against them now so I would feel pretty comfortable playing against him, but not Cui.  He would put the hurt on me.

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Posted By: skip3119
Date Posted: 05/04/2012 at 2:25pm
AcudaDave said:
 
I also disagree with Huang not knowing what to do against the LPs.  Are you kidding me....someone that is as experienced as he is has surely faced many opponents over in China that play with LP. 
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Apparently did not read the referenced post carefully.
(Note:  From time to time, I commit that sin also.)


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Posted By: AcudaDave
Date Posted: 05/04/2012 at 2:26pm
my bad. yeah I'm not good at always reading everything. Doh!

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Posted By: skip3119
Date Posted: 05/04/2012 at 2:35pm
Originally posted by AcudaDave AcudaDave wrote:

my bad. yeah I'm not good at always reading everything. Doh!
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On that score, I am worse than you.
 
By the way, your assessment of those two players vs Cui proved to be better than my assessment.
roundrobin's post sure convinced me that you were right.


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Posted By: AcudaDave
Date Posted: 05/04/2012 at 3:11pm
thanks Skip. 

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Posted By: ZApenholder
Date Posted: 05/05/2012 at 7:35am
Parky, Recharster said that too.
Did you know that Recharster got suspended from the forum.
And BTW he did the same as you, slandering people, posting same message and spamming etc.

I do believe you do add some value compared to real spammers, but seriously, whats up with slandering Cui, and saying he is 1200
What level are you? Are you a national player? are you rank top 200 in the world?



Posted By: skip3119
Date Posted: 05/05/2012 at 11:59am
Originally posted by ZApenholder ZApenholder wrote:

Parky, Recharster said that too.
Did you know that Recharster got suspended from the forum.
And BTW he did the same as you, slandering people, posting same message and spamming etc.

I do believe you do add some value compared to real spammers, but seriously, whats up with slandering Cui, and saying he is 1200
What level are you? Are you a national player? are you rank top 200 in the world?

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Parky and Recharster - same broken English, same person.
When Recharster got suspended, just sign in with a new ID: Parky.
 


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Posted By: icontek
Date Posted: 05/05/2012 at 1:52pm
Parky/Recharster rebanned for ban evasion.

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Posted By: Jonan
Date Posted: 05/05/2012 at 7:12pm
He's some troll in who's in LA who obviously knows exactly who he's insulting.


Posted By: ZApenholder
Date Posted: 05/06/2012 at 2:44am
This reminds me what my friend told me - it is guys that don't have guts and onlywhen hiding behind a computer screen and acts like a man. The moment you comfront them face to face, you will get so disappointed.

I would say to that troll, please let TT do the talking, please challenge Cui, and beat him and post a video. Otherwise, please respect him for his TT skills.

Anyways, coming back to TT, I am actually wondering. Did all these Chinese players move to USA recently? I was very active on the forum before my break from year 2006. I don't recall having heard so many good Chinese players in USA, that are like 2300 ~ 2600 (male and female).
Now there is so many of them that can likely make the national team if given citizenship.

I think it is a blessing to have so many good players, with different styles, with legal or illegal services (to return the ball) and experience to learn from. I wish the American juniors are cherishing these oppurtunity Thumbs Up


Posted By: ssmith
Date Posted: 05/12/2012 at 7:29pm
cui is good player ,especially his backhand hit,i hope that he has good  Performance in us open.his sever is ok  ,A few people who claim his sever are can't afford to lose.


Posted By: ssmith
Date Posted: 05/14/2012 at 2:02am
which club cui play in?


Posted By: Loop40mm
Date Posted: 05/14/2012 at 3:34pm
Cui has worn Gao Jun TTC shirt and probably plays at Gao Jun's club in El Monte, CA.  Gao Jun uses Butterfy Challenger and he probably is using Challenger.  Cui is probably around the era of David Zhuang.  I heard he didn't normally practise much these days.
 
At Long Beach TTC tournament in March, Cui beat Erica Wu's training partner Liu Yalin 4-2.  Liu was stepping back as Cui attacked with his forehand, as if Cui was using inverted to topspin. 
 
At Los Angeles TTA tournament in April, Liu beat Cui 4-0.  I noticed she changed her strategy. Liu stepped foreward and punched with her backhand when Cui was hitting his forehand to her backhand.  Short pips hits are slower so there is a timing difference comparing to inverted.  When Cui was serving to Liu's backhand, Liu gave him heavy underspin to his backhand more often.  When Cui pushed back, she was young and quick enough to step aside to loop drive.  


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Posted By: ssmith
Date Posted: 05/16/2012 at 3:50am
do you have video of cui VS liu ?


Posted By: Loop40mm
Date Posted: 05/16/2012 at 11:07am
Frontosa posted a video of Cui vs Liu in the forum after the Long Beach tournament.

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Posted By: ssmith
Date Posted: 05/16/2012 at 11:49pm
i never wacth that video,i wacthed some videos about cui before,someone said he is good player.


Posted By: ssmith
Date Posted: 05/19/2012 at 12:22pm
who can post the video?


Posted By: ssmith
Date Posted: 05/22/2012 at 3:11pm
At Long Beach TTC tournament in March, Cui 4-1 beat Erica Wu's training partner Liu Yalin in final



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