H3 NEO: What degree hardness do you prefer ?
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Topic: H3 NEO: What degree hardness do you prefer ?
Posted By: razortt
Subject: H3 NEO: What degree hardness do you prefer ?
Date Posted: 05/29/2012 at 11:40am
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We need to gauge what degree hardness you like your Hurricane 3 NEO to be. Thanks. ------------- http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35627&title=feebacks-for-razortt-fastpaddlecom" rel="nofollow - Feedback fastpaddle.com |
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Posted By: icontek
Date Posted: 05/29/2012 at 11:50am
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The softer the H3, the easier it is to use for mortals. My favorite sheets of H3 Neo Provincial from TTNPP and Prott.cc were 38. If you're not going to tune and glue for softness, softer is provides better dwell and control. ------------- http://bit.ly/vLMhuB" rel="nofollow - - RC1042 . OSP Virtuoso AC: PK50 + R42 |
Posted By: peter79
Date Posted: 05/29/2012 at 12:22pm
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40 when tuned, it become softer. 39 when tuned is not hard enough for forehand.
------------- Andro Wanokiwami AO Offensive 83 gr H3 National Orange 40 deg 2.2 Baracuda Max 182 Gr |
Posted By: cotdt
Date Posted: 05/29/2012 at 6:04pm
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Without tuning, I like 37 degrees. With tuning, I like 39 degrees, because it gets softer with tuning.
------------- Nittaku Resound FH: Joola Timeless BH: Joola Timeless |
Posted By: mikepong
Date Posted: 05/29/2012 at 6:50pm
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39 deg, is just right for me ------------- Viscaria FH: Tenergy 05 black BH: Tenergy 05 red |
Posted By: decoi
Date Posted: 05/29/2012 at 8:36pm
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i think i posted wrong.. i though we were talkign about h3 prov for a sec. i only had one h3 neo ( prov) and im prety sure it was 40. and i liked it alot ------------- Blade: DHS Hurricane Hao FH: TG3 BS BH: Xiom Omega 4 Aisa Blade: Hurricane Hao 2 (656) Fh: Dhs Gold Arc 3 Bh: Stiga Tour H http://www.youtube.com/user/decoyla?feature=mhee |
Posted By: haggisv
Date Posted: 05/29/2012 at 8:43pm
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I'm not so sure the marking on the commercial sheets is actually meaningful... I had a 37deg and 39deg sheet, and the 37deg was clearly harder....which makes you wonder....
------------- Smart; VS>401, Dtecs OX http://tabletennisshop.com.au/index.php?main_page=page&id=42" rel="nofollow - Tenergy Alternatives | http://tabletennis-reviews.com" rel="nofollow - My TT Articles |
Posted By: atv
Date Posted: 05/29/2012 at 11:02pm
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I can get by 40, sometimes 41 when I feel I am in good shape to handle it ------------- YEO FH: 729 08 ES BH: Focus III Snipe Senkoh-1 FH: H3 Comm BH: 755 |
Posted By: jinlai
Date Posted: 05/29/2012 at 11:12pm
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The problem we faced regarding hardness of sponge is that all manufacturers DO NOT follow any guideline. I wonder why ITTF do not enforce this ruling as this will easy the consumer to pick a rubber of their choice. |
Posted By: atv
Date Posted: 05/29/2012 at 11:41pm
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The reason is: there is no standard to test the hardness of such a thin and soft piece of rubber, all the current measurement systems (Shore for rubbers mostly) are applied on a thick brick of rubber and at the level of TT rubbers(usually a lot softer than sealing rings or washers) they are not very precise. Even within the same brick of rubber after cutting different pieces' hardness will also vary because of the inconsistency inside. ------------- YEO FH: 729 08 ES BH: Focus III Snipe Senkoh-1 FH: H3 Comm BH: 755 |
Posted By: mhnh007
Date Posted: 05/30/2012 at 8:16am
| I don't think you can get Commercial H3 with softer than 39 deg. Let me know if anyone knows where to get 38 deg Commercial. |
Posted By: razortt
Date Posted: 05/30/2012 at 11:49am
Its possible to get the 38degree as long as there's enough demand for it. Thats why we are conducting the poll to see what customers like. Thanks. ------------- http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35627&title=feebacks-for-razortt-fastpaddlecom" rel="nofollow - Feedback fastpaddle.com |
mhnh007 wrote:Posted By: mhnh007
Date Posted: 05/30/2012 at 1:42pm
If you can make it happen, then I would suggest you do, as you maybe the only one who can provide 38 deg commercial H3. Most of people are playing with commercial, and they will not know how much more control they can get with a 38 deg, and the loss on spin and speed is insignificant compare to 39 deg. Those who play with provincial H3, usually tune, so they want a harder sponge, but it does not mean they do not appreciate the 38 deg. Just my 2 cents. |
Posted By: cotdt
Date Posted: 05/30/2012 at 2:26pm
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If you can get 38 commercial H3, I will buy many sheets.
------------- Nittaku Resound FH: Joola Timeless BH: Joola Timeless |
Posted By: gweipwu
Date Posted: 05/30/2012 at 2:41pm
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If I have a chance to meet DHS management I will tell them that H3 is so popular and it deserves a good engineering and manufactuing team to take care of it.
------------- ping pong amateur,... BTY Viscaria FL H3 FH, T64 BH, My feedback link: http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84832&title=feedback-gweipwu |
Posted By: cotdt
Date Posted: 05/30/2012 at 2:44pm
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We are still waiting on DHS to make a glue-effect sponge version of the H3, that never needs tuning. ------------- Nittaku Resound FH: Joola Timeless BH: Joola Timeless |
Posted By: Imago
Date Posted: 05/30/2012 at 3:01pm
If you open a 40 d H and leave it for two or three weeks to breathe, it will become much softer, probably by 4 or 5 degrees. So I wonder what is the real gauge hardness of a Hurricane.
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Posted By: mhnh007
Date Posted: 05/30/2012 at 3:12pm
Usually pre-tuned rubber gets harder after the tuning is gone. |
Posted By: emihet
Date Posted: 05/30/2012 at 4:50pm
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41 heavily tuned 40 tuned 38-39 otherwise...depending on the blade i use ------------- Viscaria, Ma Long 5, Old Clippers, BTY Ovtcharov and Various Custom blades |
Posted By: razortt
Date Posted: 05/30/2012 at 7:13pm
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For Hurricane, we normally carry 39 degree as well. What degree is preferred ? Maybe we will do another poll on just regular H3. ------------- http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35627&title=feebacks-for-razortt-fastpaddlecom" rel="nofollow - Feedback fastpaddle.com |
Posted By: haggisv
Date Posted: 05/30/2012 at 7:55pm
Considering the inconsistancies with the DHS hardness marking, and the lack of any guidelines or references, perhaps you can ask DHS just to send you the stickers with a range of hardness markings, so that you can put them on yourself before you send them to the customers. The placebo effect alone will probably satisfy most hurricane fans, as they're very used to variations between one sheet and another.  ------------- Smart; VS>401, Dtecs OX http://tabletennisshop.com.au/index.php?main_page=page&id=42" rel="nofollow - Tenergy Alternatives | http://tabletennis-reviews.com" rel="nofollow - My TT Articles |
Posted By: peter79
Date Posted: 05/30/2012 at 10:25pm
That's why get the genuine National Version, the thickness and hardness are laser marked on the sponge  ------------- Andro Wanokiwami AO Offensive 83 gr H3 National Orange 40 deg 2.2 Baracuda Max 182 Gr |
Posted By: peter79
Date Posted: 05/30/2012 at 10:28pm
Tuning H3 is a joy, you'll be amazed when it plays totally different and better after tuning. Tuning with Dianchi needs 3 layers for the new rubbers, which is too much. I prefer tuning it with pararfin oil mixed with baby oil, wait for 3 days. Then put Parafin oil on the topsheet. It has permanent effect which is fast enough on Viscaria for me. ------------- Andro Wanokiwami AO Offensive 83 gr H3 National Orange 40 deg 2.2 Baracuda Max 182 Gr |
Posted By: pnachtwey
Date Posted: 05/30/2012 at 11:24pm
This topic deserves a thread too. I have H3 #19 which is supposed to be 36 degree sponge but Cole Ely says it is much harder than IQUL SV or other 35 degree sponges. I think the degree ratings are almost worthless except that lower ratings should be softer and higher ratings should be harder. My H3 Neo came from fastpaddle.com so it 39 degree. I don't know what hardness I prefer since have only played with the 39 degree sponge so I didn't vote. 39 degree sponge seems OK but I prefer H2 Neo much more than H3 Neo even though I think the H2 Neo has the same 39 degree sponge. I usually don't care too much about the hardness. I can play with soft 35 degree sponge or hard stuff like SST Pro Team. Usually I play with what I think is 35 or 36 degree rubber. ------------- I TT therefore I am |
Posted By: icontek
Date Posted: 05/31/2012 at 6:53am
What I think is interesting about H3 is that, every once in a while I seem to achieve a "permanent" tune. And by tune, I don't necessarily mean a "chemical click" - but rather, a physical stretch that increases overall speed and gives the rubber a set of middle gears (for passive blocking and countering). At the same time, the sponge is softened, so even though the rubber is faster on many shots, it's still more forgiving than stock H3 at the right times (when caught out of position). I say that because I have a sheet of blue sponge h3 from TTNPP that is several months past the first and only super-prime/tune, and it still plays better (more forgiving, still good power and spin, still decent short game) than most of the $30-50 H3 variants I've purchased that I just water glued. ------------- http://bit.ly/vLMhuB" rel="nofollow - - RC1042 . OSP Virtuoso AC: PK50 + R42 |
Posted By: flash
Date Posted: 05/31/2012 at 11:19am
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My choise it's 39 degree without tunning...but I didn't find anymore 2,10 mm...for me it was perfect...now only 2,15 mm available on the market...I really doubt that com ver it's available genuine in 37,38 degree...
------------- Viscaria, FL T05 hard, 2,1 mm, black, fh T05 hard, 2,1 mm, red, bh. |
Posted By: peter79
Date Posted: 05/31/2012 at 12:20pm
The most important thing about tuning H3 is to make it block and smash better. Without tuning needs time to break in and I have no patience to wait. With Parafin Oil and Baby oil, I can directly play as if it's break in. I'll do that for all new H3 rubber in the future. ------------- Andro Wanokiwami AO Offensive 83 gr H3 National Orange 40 deg 2.2 Baracuda Max 182 Gr |
Posted By: razortt
Date Posted: 05/31/2012 at 12:52pm
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The normal thickness is 2.2mm, so would you like to see rubbers offered in 2.15 or 2.1mm for H3 and H3NEO ? ------------- http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35627&title=feebacks-for-razortt-fastpaddlecom" rel="nofollow - Feedback fastpaddle.com |
Posted By: pnachtwey
Date Posted: 05/31/2012 at 1:41pm
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Can one really tell the difference between 2.1, 2.15 and 2.2mm? I bet the quality control is not that good. If 2.2mm is standard I would ask for 2mm and 1.8mm for BH use. When the sponge is firm it isn't necessary for the sponge to be so thick to keep from "bottoming out". Thinner sponge reduces the weight just a little. The same goes for H2 Neo. ------------- I TT therefore I am |
Posted By: BeaverMD
Date Posted: 05/31/2012 at 3:01pm
| My vote is for 38 degrees definitely. Just like the old Cream MRS before they made it brick hard. |
Posted By: icontek
Date Posted: 05/31/2012 at 9:53pm
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To the 8 people who voted 40 degrees - how much tuner do you use?!? 40 tuned is still super demanding. Furthermore, you can get 40 degree from most websites (stock commercial is 39-40) but 38 degrees is much harder to get in US, and still plays amazing tuned. If you've never tried 38 tuned, you need to give it a shot. ------------- http://bit.ly/vLMhuB" rel="nofollow - - RC1042 . OSP Virtuoso AC: PK50 + R42 |
Posted By: zheyi
Date Posted: 06/01/2012 at 9:46am
| im using 40d.. no tuning.. just 'season' it an its a nice rubber to play with.. im a penholder.. btw.. anyone know if a unmarked sheet normally is what hardness? |
Posted By: PingPongHolic10
Date Posted: 06/01/2012 at 10:07am
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I use 40 also (no tuning), but need the right blade to get more dwell... perfectly paired with Clipper CR =), i assume it works well with Ludeack Power, & Rosewood 7. Not as good with harder & thin blades such as OSP Musko. ------------- http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=55790&KW=&title=fs-ft-2014-inventory-clearancecpenspro-releases" rel="nofollow - My FS/FT Member of Yinhe,OSP & Nexy Clan |
Posted By: flash
Date Posted: 06/01/2012 at 10:33am
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There is a big difference between 2,15 mm and 2,2 mm...I really could not understand even if I really try how somwbody didn't feel the differences on the same blade and from the same supplier...
------------- Viscaria, FL T05 hard, 2,1 mm, black, fh T05 hard, 2,1 mm, red, bh. |
Posted By: zheyi
Date Posted: 06/01/2012 at 1:17pm
| suppose a thinner sponge let U hit better? Especially if U don't tune or speed glue. |
Posted By: iamj8
Date Posted: 06/15/2017 at 6:53am
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Sorry to revive a dead thread but I didn't think my question warranted a new topic. I'm currently trying out the Stiga Clipper Wood (and have moved to the new 40+ ball). I am wondering if 38 or 39 degrees provincial would be more suitable on the blade (or if there's even a difference)? I do not tune/use booster. ------------- A version of Hurricane 3 A version of Tenergy A Stiga blade... |
Posted By: SmackDAT
Date Posted: 06/15/2017 at 8:06pm
38 degrees would probably be better if non-boosted, that said why are you playing the H3 Neo unboosted?! ------------- Zhang Jike ALC AN (88g) Tenergy 05 Hard (2.1, B) Tenergy 19 (2.1, R) https://goo.gl/bFWoxW" rel="nofollow - https://goo.gl/bFWoxW |
Posted By: ThePongProfessor
Date Posted: 06/15/2017 at 8:21pm
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Because it is illegal to boost? It is an idiotic and unenforceable rule, but a rule nonetheless. ------------- YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/ThePongProfessor http://mytabletennis.net/forum/feedback-thepongprofessor_topic69419.html" rel="nofollow - Feedback |
Posted By: iamj8
Date Posted: 06/15/2017 at 9:02pm
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Thanks for the feedback SmackDAT. I just didn't boost after the glue ban and didn't want to become reliant on it. ------------- A version of Hurricane 3 A version of Tenergy A Stiga blade... |
Posted By: Renol
Date Posted: 06/16/2017 at 12:47am
I think either 38 or 39 degree is fine. ------------- Blade: DHS Long 5 FH: DHS Hurricane 3 Neo (Provincial) BH: DHS Hurricane 3 Neo (Provincial) |
Posted By: chop4ever
Date Posted: 06/16/2017 at 3:42am
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42 original no-boosting ------------- There is no real "pro", "prov" or "NT" H3 in the market. Falco is not a booster |
Posted By: alas
Date Posted: 06/24/2020 at 4:31pm
I’m wondering this also! It seems like the newer sheets no longer specify hardness to the degree but only by “mid” which is said to be between 38-40 deg. I specified through TT11.com but all I was sent were these “mid” versions. Maybe it’s DHS way of easing up the QC? Probably due to poor sales on 38 or 40 deg? ------------- -Eric Nittaku Acoustic (Ch.Pen) DHS Skyline TG-2 NEO DHS Skyline 3-60 |
Posted By: QuangPham
Date Posted: 06/24/2020 at 8:18pm
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Just order NEO 39 degree. I will do not boost/turn 41 is too hard as I thought
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Posted By: Sedis
Date Posted: 06/25/2020 at 4:32am
TTNPP sell versions with a specific hardness in degrees, which they say were intended for the Chinese market, or without. They charge about $1 extra for the labelled version
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