Just say no to the new poly balls. Sign petition!!
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Topic: Just say no to the new poly balls. Sign petition!!
Posted By: j-bo
Subject: Just say no to the new poly balls. Sign petition!!
Date Posted: 06/05/2012 at 9:40am
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My name is James Lindberg and I play at the Baton Rouge Table Tennis
Club ( http:////brttc.org/ - http://brttc.org/ ) in Louisiana, USA. Although I'm relatively new to organized table tennis and am a low level player, I grew up playing table tennis or "ping-pong", as we knew it, in my basement in Michigan. I'm 49 now. I wanted to contact you in my effort to keep the current celluloid ball. The ITTF is going full speed to introduce the new poly (plastic) ball on July 1, 2014. I've started a petition to try and keep the celluloid ball. At the minimum, my hope is that the ITTF doesn't make the change to the new poly ball until the playing characteristics, durability, and cost of the ball are identical to the current, traditional, celluloid ball. My stance is, we need a voice and I'm looking for 10K signatures on the petition so I can distribute it to the ITTF, USATT, and other TT organizations worldwide. The petition has been posted on http://ooakforum.com/index.php - OOAK , http://mytabletennis.net - Mytabletennis , http://pingskills.com - Pingskills and http://tabletennis.about.com - tabletennis.about . Here are some links on the topic: The petition itself: Do NOT PAY anything! Also, I've implemented the blog tab and will keep posting information as I receive it. http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/keepexistingtabletennisballs/ - http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/keepexistingtabletennisballs/ A recent review of the PREVIEW poly ball: forum_posts.asp?TID=50534&title=new-poly-ball-review - http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=50534&title=new-poly-ball-review and http://tabletennis-reviews.com/poly-non-celluloid-table-tennis-ball-review/ - http://tabletennis-reviews.com/poly-non-celluloid-table-tennis-ball-review/ A link to the main discussion of the petition/ball: forum_posts.asp?TID=50730&PN=1&title=just-say-no-to-the-new-poly-balls-sign-petition - http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=50730&PN=1&title=just-say-no-to-the-new-poly-balls-sign-petition An article written by Greg Letts (Greg Letts is a world ranked table tennis player, an Australian Level 1 table tennis coach, and an internationally qualified table tennis umpire.) on the protest of the ball, referencing my petition: http://tabletennis.about.com/od/rants-opinions-philosophy/a/Protesting-Against-Plastic-Ping-Pong-Balls.htm - http://tabletennis.about.com/od/rants-opinions-philosophy/a/Protesting-Against-Plastic-Ping-Pong-Balls.htm |
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Posted By: BH-Man
Date Posted: 06/05/2012 at 10:45am
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Say no to coke. Crack kills.
With you all the way bro. No need to change just yet. You can smell the crap like the springtime when the fields get sprayed with that fertilizer... ------------- Korea Foreign Table Tennis Club Search for us on Facebook: koreaforeignttc |
Posted By: j-bo
Date Posted: 06/05/2012 at 10:54am
Funny stuff BH-Man. |
Posted By: Leshxa
Date Posted: 06/05/2012 at 11:33am
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Is there a page that shows the number of signatures collected? Thanks! ------------- Back to table tennis... |
Posted By: j-bo
Date Posted: 06/05/2012 at 11:47am
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There is a tab at the top of the page. Also has a tab to email your friends. A whopping 4.  I'm guessing some will see it as futile. But hey... I wanted to at least try something instead of just bitchin and moanin about it. |
Posted By: Leshxa
Date Posted: 06/05/2012 at 11:58am
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Its a good start! Just a matter of time. I'll post a link to your petition on my blog. ------------- Back to table tennis... |
Posted By: sahiggs100
Date Posted: 06/05/2012 at 9:32pm
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I signed it and I'll spread the word to my fellow players! ------------- Blade: Nexy Lissom FH: Gambler Outlaw Black BH: RITC 802 Short Pips Red Please Don't feed the EJ's! |
Posted By: tuco
Date Posted: 06/06/2012 at 1:28am
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try posting the link to all the tt forums you know. it may help to spread the word. here are a few forums I know: ooakforum.com tabletennis.about.com tabletennis.gr ------------- The Dark Side is: "Quicker, easier, more seductive" - Yoda |
Posted By: Imago
Date Posted: 06/06/2012 at 2:01am
| Is this a moderated petition? I have signed the petition but my name is still not there. |
Posted By: ZApenholder
Date Posted: 06/06/2012 at 3:47am
Wait a bit and refresh again.... hopefully it is there |
Imago wrote:Posted By: Imago
Date Posted: 06/06/2012 at 3:52am
| Got it, you have to donate $25 in order to continue... |
Posted By: j-bo
Date Posted: 06/06/2012 at 10:25am
Huh? More reading on the topic. It's good on countering Sharara's claims on celluloid. Has the TT press delved into this at all? Or... is it one of those types of things that if they rock the boat, they will be blackballed? http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=46140&title=proof-of-worldwide-ban-of-celluloid - Discussion countering "world ban of celluloid" |
Posted By: cole_ely
Date Posted: 06/06/2012 at 11:01am
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The ittf doesn't care one bit about the low end players. They've said it straight up.
------------- Wavestone St with Illumina 1.9r, defender1.7b Please let me know if I can be of assistance. |
Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 06/06/2012 at 11:10am
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My suspicion is that they don't care about elite players either if it gets in the way of their own personal business dealings. The difference is that they probably won't say that straight up. I signed the petition happily anyway. |
Posted By: j-bo
Date Posted: 06/06/2012 at 11:17am
This doesn't mean that we can't try and at least present something or share our voice on what the majority of players (us low end players) of the sports wishes are. It only takes a few seconds to sign the petition anyway. Wouldn't it be something if some pro's names started popping up on this? If anything, maybe the TT press (is there TT press?) may pick up on it and will put some pressure on Sharara. Still.. the ball can change for all we know to be just as good or better. The reviews so far, aren't encouraging. A lot can happen though in less than 2yrs time. |
Posted By: j-bo
Date Posted: 06/06/2012 at 12:17pm
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More links to the poly ball topic: OOAK: Ball review starts on page 7. http://ooakforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=19231 - New Non-Celluloid Balls? |
Posted By: sahiggs100
Date Posted: 06/06/2012 at 1:21pm
After you sign the petition that page will come up but you can just close the window. Your signature will still be on the petition. I was a little confused by that when I first signed it too. ------------- Blade: Nexy Lissom FH: Gambler Outlaw Black BH: RITC 802 Short Pips Red Please Don't feed the EJ's! |
Posted By: igorponger
Date Posted: 06/06/2012 at 6:20pm
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It is rather an unwise and hasty action to decry the poly balls before we have an ultimate edition of PB at our hand..
Let's live and see if the DHS comes out with a better product. If, in a year period,, I do not see any improvement of the POLY ball"s playing characteristics, I will gladly join this petition. Not before. |
Posted By: j-bo
Date Posted: 06/06/2012 at 9:08pm
I can see your point. However, we already know the play of the celluloid ball. The sky isnt falling...there is not a good reason to change..in my opinion. Id like something as simple as the ball to remain the traditional material that almost all of us have grown up with. Pre-emption and proactive is usually better than reactive. |
Posted By: j-bo
Date Posted: 06/07/2012 at 12:31pm
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37 so far. Come on players! |
Posted By: j-bo
Date Posted: 06/08/2012 at 9:20am
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What's the reason for the petition? Simply to give us, the regular players, a voice. The regular players are those that keep the table tennis industry in business. It's not the pro players, who mostly are given their equipment, while us, the regular players are out purchasing balls, blades, rubbers, tables, etc. etc. My hope is we have enough signatures to present this petition not only to the ITTF, but the USATT and all of the other major associations to see that the players are wanting to keep the traditional celluloid ball and the game characteristics it provides, with reasonable durability and cost. If we wait 2 yrs to see the finished product, and it isn't much different than the current review balls now, we will be too late to do anything and will be stuck with buying new equipment, to change our games to meet the simplest aspect of the game.....THE BALL. Should we trust in the ITTF and the manufacturers to produce a ball that will have the same "game play", reasonable durability, and cost as the current celluloid ball? Apparently, they've been at it for some time now without much success as witnessed by the reviews so far. Will they figure it out in less than a year and a half? They do need time to ramp up production. SPREAD THE WORD! Click on the "email friends" tab on the petition form to email all your playing buddies. |
Posted By: j-bo
Date Posted: 06/09/2012 at 11:08am
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All the current threads on equipment choices is going to be interesting to review if this new ball is not improved much and is indeed set forth in 2014.
I'm imagining that the threads are going to increase by a large margin trying to figure out what will work well with the new ball and the millions having to be re-spent just to get to the same levels we are at now. |
Posted By: GoldenDragoon
Date Posted: 06/09/2012 at 11:53pm
+1 ------------- Blade: Nexy Spartacus FL 84g FH: Evolution FX-P Max Blk BH: Evolution EL-P 1.9 Red |
Posted By: konnichwakid1
Date Posted: 06/10/2012 at 1:14am
+2 ------------- Jun Mizutani with Tenergies |
Posted By: Imago
Date Posted: 06/10/2012 at 2:06am
| It will be too late then. This petition is not about changing the ball, it is about changing your entire setup and playing style. |
Posted By: haggisv
Date Posted: 06/10/2012 at 3:08am
I disagree If we just wait and 'trust' them to come up with a better option, we'll have no time to make any sort of effort to object when they're released. I doubt they would release any balls to the public if they didn't feel they were close to the final thing. Manufacturer have already been told that the new poly balls will be introduced in 2014. They know that once the ITTF adops them, national association will follow and this will filter down to the clubs. So they're expecting much lower demand for celluloid balls, and will most like drop production to a very low level, or seize production altogether. This will seal the doom of the celluloid balls, and then we'll have no choice but to accept them. ------------- Smart; VS>401, Dtecs OX http://tabletennisshop.com.au/index.php?main_page=page&id=42" rel="nofollow - Tenergy Alternatives | http://tabletennis-reviews.com" rel="nofollow - My TT Articles |
Posted By: Speedplay
Date Posted: 06/10/2012 at 3:31am
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In the end, I don't think we have any choice but to accept them, but it's a good thing to show that we aren't happy about the change.
I wonder if they (ITTF, everyone involved in the process with the Polyballs) know's that the balls aren't any good and that's why they make it so hard to get hold of them? I know plenty of players who would like to try them, cause it is hard to form an opinion about them before we have tried them. ------------- The holy grail |
Posted By: Tinykin
Date Posted: 06/10/2012 at 5:01am
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I just signed up. Somehow I confused the 2 threads and didn't see this one. I should not have been so strident with Haggis. ------------- Blade: Darker Speed90 Rubber Fh and Bh DHS Hurricane 3, 39/38deg Delusion is an asset |
Posted By: Imago
Date Posted: 06/10/2012 at 6:11am
Wishful thinking makes them blind.
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Posted By: Rich215
Date Posted: 06/10/2012 at 11:43am
I wonder how many people that are against the new ball.......might play better or win more games with the new ball.  It all remains to be seen how we less than pro's will feel about the new ball after we have time to use it for a few months. Who knows, maybe a fast blade with Mark V will work better than a setup your using now....------------- |
Posted By: konnichwakid1
Date Posted: 06/10/2012 at 3:29pm
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http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012/06/the-silver-screen-no-more-distribution-of-film-to-cease-by-2013-in-the-us/ - http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012/06/the-silver-screen-no-more-distribution-of-film-to-cease-by-2013-in-the-us/ ------------- Jun Mizutani with Tenergies |
Posted By: j-bo
Date Posted: 06/10/2012 at 7:45pm
Which has absolutely nothing to do with table tennis balls. |
Posted By: j-bo
Date Posted: 06/10/2012 at 7:50pm
Missing the point and I don't care if I win more games or not. I'm a low level player, but would like to keep the ball we have now. ITTF keeps making rules changes/equipment mandates seemingly on a whim. To whose benefit? The games? I don't see it and I don't see how changing the ball makes any sense. What is there to accomplish by it? As has been seen, the "celluloid worldwide ban" was a joke, as was comparing celluloid to asbestos. I wonder......how many people that are indifferent ...might change their mind after the fact when they must purchase all new equipment to be competitive? Or.... balls are double, triple, or more the current cost without any benefit of increase longevity? |
Posted By: racquetsforsale
Date Posted: 06/11/2012 at 1:02am
| It's laughable. What other sports do you know has executed so many changes in equipment specs and enforced them even at the recreational level. Why the hell should the ITTF have a say in how we play this game for fun. Can you imagine having to play with a NBA-approved basketball, NFL-approved football, FIFA-approved football, or a MLB-approved baseball, glove, and bat. Ridiculous! |
Posted By: Imago
Date Posted: 06/11/2012 at 1:59am
Copy/paste this code into your website or blog to help more people sign the petition
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Posted By: j-bo
Date Posted: 06/11/2012 at 9:17am
Which is why....I'm hoping that some manufacturers continue to offer the celluloid ball. I really wonder.... how many local clubs will keep the celluloid balls and not go to the poly ball anyway? Can you imagine how many celluloid balls are out there? How many recreational players won't even know the "rule" on use of the poly ball? How many will just plain refuse to use it (this of course, taking into consideration it isn't improved much from the current review balls out)? Keep in mind, they still have a year or so to perfect the poly ball and a lot can happen between now and then. Which, if they can make the poly ball with the characteristics of the celluloid ball, then our arguments are a moot point. |
Posted By: frogger
Date Posted: 06/11/2012 at 11:39am
It's very simple...if all the top players boycott high level tournaments for a period of several months that would be the end of the "new" ball. ------------- Wood Paddle Red side Black side. |
Posted By: j-bo
Date Posted: 06/11/2012 at 11:45am
And what would help any of them doing so? Hmmm.. Maybe a petition with 10k signatures?  |
Posted By: frogger
Date Posted: 06/11/2012 at 1:26pm
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I don't think getting 10k signatures would accomplish anything. Heck I don't think a 100k would make any difference. The top players must have the conviction and the fortitude to make their voices heard the new ball will not be tolerated. The top international tournaments is where the big sponsers and the money lives not at the local or national levels. Sometimes you just have to say enough is enough and come out swinging. ------------- Wood Paddle Red side Black side. |
Posted By: j-bo
Date Posted: 06/13/2012 at 9:30am
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Let's keep this going. If you don't do anything, and the poly ball sucks... you can only kick yourself for not at least TRYING to do something. Vladimir Samsanov is the Chairman of the Athletes Commission, wonder how his stance is on the poly balls and the 10 others on the Commission. |
Posted By: igorponger
Date Posted: 06/13/2012 at 8:55pm
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Nobody have yet seen the ultimate! accomplished version of PB.
Hence, nobody can now say if the balls are good or bad. Let's be patient and wait till the balls have came up on open market. |
Posted By: haggisv
Date Posted: 06/13/2012 at 10:44pm
You keep saying that, and my response to that (which you seem to ignore?) is:
------------- Smart; VS>401, Dtecs OX http://tabletennisshop.com.au/index.php?main_page=page&id=42" rel="nofollow - Tenergy Alternatives | http://tabletennis-reviews.com" rel="nofollow - My TT Articles |
Posted By: bravefest
Date Posted: 06/13/2012 at 11:06pm
The stupidity of this statement is mind boggling. The basketball in the NBA is an official size, shape, and material. The football in the NFL is an official size, shape, and material. The soccer/football in the World Cup is a FIFA approved ball - although they do change it sometimes such as in the most recent World Cup. The MLB has strict regulations on bat composition and has an official ball size, shape, and material. YOU and any leagues you play in have the option of using a ball or other equipment of different specifications as it is entirely up to you and your leagues. This is no different in table tennis as you can choose to play following the ITTF rules or not.
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Posted By: popperlocker
Date Posted: 06/13/2012 at 11:15pm
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I hope the new ball are not toxic. There are many dangerous and harmful plastics that cause cancer and other bodily harm, such as pvc and polycarbonate. Playing with a toxic ball would not be fun. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RiJxFhI3u7w - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RiJxFhI3u7w http://www.baumhedlundlaw.com/bpa/bpa_side_effects.php - http://www.baumhedlundlaw.com/bpa/bpa_side_effects.php
http://www.acereport.org/pvc2.html - http://www.acereport.org/pvc2.html
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Posted By: racquetsforsale
Date Posted: 06/14/2012 at 2:13am
What I'm getting at, DA, is that we all have to play with the 40mm ball, unless we have access to a stash of 38mm ball or can find someone who still sells them. In the future, we'll all have to play with these new plastic balls because the current celluloid balls will no longer be made and sold. I was comparing that, DA, to sporting goods stores selling only balls approved by their respective professional sport governing bodies, or only equipment that is approved for professional competition, at relatively high prices, and you, DA, have no choice but to buy them. What leagues does your DA play in which people still speedglue their rubbers, use frictionless pips, use the 38mm ball, hide their serves, and play 21-point games? DA
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Posted By: j-bo
Date Posted: 06/14/2012 at 3:28pm
This is like the govt telling you... "just be patient, the economy is going to be really good... we promise!"  If it comes out and it's utterly going to change the way the game is played, will cause you to purchase all new equipment to be competitive, and costs $8/ball.... etc. etc......will you feel the same way? PRO-ACTIVE, not re-active. |
Posted By: Leshxa
Date Posted: 06/14/2012 at 3:34pm
I completely agree. If current ball production is not good for workers, it should be up to OSHA to manage the environment in which the workers operate. It does not mean that we should just abolish the current ball and choose another. As a matter of fact, changing the ball should not be a problem as long as the playing characteristics and the actual performance of the ball remains the same. So if the seem along with the size was kept the same, the material of the ball could be changed AS LONG AS IT DOES NOT CHANGE THE PLAYING CHARACTERISTICS. For now, there is a schedule - a solid schedule when a new ball will be introduced. Nobody is changing that schedule or pulling back on the idea as "not ready for prime time". The organization continues to push for it even know there is a lack of evidence to indicate that the new ball will be better or even whether the new ball will play the same. I think our game is not broken with the existing ball, so why fix it? ------------- Back to table tennis... |
Posted By: j-bo
Date Posted: 06/14/2012 at 3:49pm
I agree with the red. That is the problem. There is already a pre-view ball out. And by most of what I could find, it's not promising. |
Posted By: ZApenholder
Date Posted: 06/14/2012 at 4:33pm
Didn't you hear? Don't you know? Our President said there is going to be a world wide ban on celluloid, thus there will be a world wide shortage and we need our President to save us....blah...blah....blah - later on this statement was changed Besides that, we are told that we need to save the workers invovled in production as celluloid balls making process are harmful but end product are safe. I wonder if our President uses any Apple product, any body has any photos? I would like to ask him why he is killing those factory workers if he does (nothing against Apple here, just an example). So that is the official annoucement. I am hoping there is some FBI or Interpol to investigate if there is any unofficial reasoning behind it. |
Posted By: ZApenholder
Date Posted: 06/14/2012 at 5:00pm
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lol, try this out. Go to Google (or any other search engine) and put in "world wide ban on celluloid". Now tell me if you see anything other than Table Tennis |
Posted By: j-bo
Date Posted: 06/15/2012 at 11:28am
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Petition to Keep Existing Celluloid Balls is gaining a little momentum. %3ca%20href= - http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/keepexistingtabletennisballs Please spread the word to your leagues, associations, organizations, etc. This has been posted so far on OOAK, MYTT, and PINGSKILLS. And...........on tabletennis.about.com by Greg Letts! Here: http://tabletennis.about.com/ - http://tabletennis.about.com/ The ball is probably the most significant piece of the game that if changed, will have the most drastic effect on the way the game is played. Let's not mess with success! Please. Let's not get in heated personal attacks. |
Posted By: Leshxa
Date Posted: 06/15/2012 at 11:54am
I think the president played one too many rounds of beer pong and decided to have everyone use beer pong balls instead :) ------------- Back to table tennis... |
Posted By: j-bo
Date Posted: 06/15/2012 at 12:04pm
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A great article has been written by Greg Letts (Greg Letts is a world ranked table tennis player, an Australian Level 1
table tennis coach, and an internationally qualified table tennis
umpire.) on his protest against the new plastic balls. http://tabletennis.about.com/od/rants-opinions-philosophy/a/Protesting-Against-Plastic-Ping-Pong-Balls.htm - http://tabletennis.about.com/od/rants-opinions-philosophy/a/Protesting-Against-Plastic-Ping-Pong-Balls.htm |
Posted By: pnachtwey
Date Posted: 06/15/2012 at 1:26pm
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I signed the petition. I didn't contribute $25 because I really to know where the money will go and how it will be used. I am very skeptical about donations. ------------- I TT therefore I am |
Posted By: j-bo
Date Posted: 06/15/2012 at 1:29pm
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No! Do not pay anything on the petition site! The petition is FREE to use and free to sign and free to see how many signatures there are. DO NOT PAY ANYTHING! I finally got the BLOG tab on the petition site to work. I will keep the topic updated through the blog tab also. |
Posted By: dauntless
Date Posted: 06/15/2012 at 1:54pm
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Just signed it. There are only like 100 signatures. ------------- 1. BTY Primorac, Nittaku H3N, T64 2. BTY Primorac, H3N, Mendo MP http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=56416 - Feedback |
Posted By: j-bo
Date Posted: 06/15/2012 at 2:13pm
It's a start and things are just getting going. Thanks for signing. Spread the word! I understand that many people have faith (thus lack of signatures so far) in the manufacturers to produce something that will work just as well. But I'd rather not change for the sake of change and HOPE they produce a ball with the same playing characteristics, durability, and price. |
Posted By: Leshxa
Date Posted: 06/18/2012 at 3:22pm
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I put up a post on my blog http://www.breaking2000.com/say-no-to-ittf-introducing-new-ball/ - http://www.breaking2000.com/say-no-to-ittf-introducing-new-ball/ The petition is up to a whopping 182 signatures! ------------- Back to table tennis... |
Posted By: Hookshot
Date Posted: 06/18/2012 at 3:32pm
If they had kept the ball size the same, there is a good chance the ball would play alot like the old one. I believe the larger ball was most of the reason for the material change. Just hide it under the guise of a new material. There was absolutly no reason to make it bigger. A small increase in diameter results in a large increase of surface area. Also makes the ball much thinner. They were well aware of this before they started.
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Posted By: ZApenholder
Date Posted: 06/18/2012 at 3:38pm
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Where is the media when you need them, where is the FBI when you need them. I so wish there can be some investigation (even if they found nothing).  |
Posted By: Hookshot
Date Posted: 06/18/2012 at 3:59pm
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When Adham was asked why the bigger ball, he replied, We did not have a true 40mm ball. Well, we sure do not now. If that was the intent, the specs would have been 40mm + or - Xmm. Instead it reads 40mm MIN + Xmm. Since manufacturers will not try to hit 40mm on the nose, the balls are going to be larger than 40mm for sure. For Adhams logic to make sense, it should have read, 40mm +Xmm to 40mm -Xmm.
I personally see this as more smoke and mirrors.
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Posted By: j-bo
Date Posted: 06/18/2012 at 5:12pm
I had emailed all the clubs listed on USATT last Friday. Greg's post on about.com probably has something to do with the increase too. Basically, I believe once the grass roots guys hear about the impending change, this will lead them to take action. Vote with your wallets? Sure, but that would be after the ball is introduced and mandated for play. There are millions of players out there. How else to get the word out to all? I've been trying to hunt down a complete list of ITTF federations/associations of the 217 or so, but haven't been successful. Anyone have that list and/or contact info for all of them? |
Posted By: ZApenholder
Date Posted: 06/18/2012 at 5:45pm
Try this: http://www.ittf.com/_front_page/ittf2.asp?category=directory_ - http://www.ittf.com/_front_page/ittf2.asp?category=directory_ e |
Posted By: roundrobin
Date Posted: 06/18/2012 at 5:56pm
Emperor Sharara really needs to go.  (Just watched "Prometheus"... Quote: "A King has his reign, then he dies..it's inevitable." Quite interesting quote, in response to Peter Weyland's searching for exilir for eternal power. How many more years should Adham stay at the top?) |
Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 06/18/2012 at 6:48pm
And how much more damage will he inflict to the sport before he goes? And will he go out in a scandal? |
Posted By: Mastermind
Date Posted: 06/18/2012 at 7:34pm
At least near the top for indefinitely more years, I am afraid, and with a set of privileges. Two years ago they passed this: 1.06.06 Any past President of the ITTF shall be automatically bestowed the title of "ITTF Honorary President" with a set of privileges decided by the Executive Committee from time to time. This title can only be revoked by a majority vote of the General Meeting. http://www.ittf.com/ittf_handbook/ittf_hb.html - http://www.ittf.com/ittf_handbook/ittf_hb.html |
Posted By: Mastermind
Date Posted: 06/18/2012 at 7:44pm
I do not think so. There is no legal connection between changing the tolerance and changing the material. The official size is still 40 mm according to the rules: "2.03.01 The ball shall be spherical, with a diameter of 40mm." It is possible to argue that the recent change of tolerance violates the rule 2.03.01, but again, this argumentation would have nothing to do with the material. They could have made exactly the same change of tolerance for the celluloid ball as well, but legality of that change would have nothing to do with material. |
Posted By: racquetsforsale
Date Posted: 06/18/2012 at 9:14pm
It bothers me even more that it appears ONE man can do whatever the hell he sees fit. Is there no opposition within the ITTF or does Adham Sharara reign supreme even with opposition? I take it there is no effective separation of powers in the ITTF?
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Posted By: Mastermind
Date Posted: 06/18/2012 at 9:54pm
There is separation of powers in the ITTF, just read the Chapter 1 (Constitution) of the ITTF rules: http://www.ittf.com/ittf_handbook/ittf_hb.html - http://www.ittf.com/ittf_handbook/ittf_hb.html . A suspect a lot of people there have financial interests in what is going on and therefore won't use their powers. |
Posted By: hungry cow
Date Posted: 06/18/2012 at 11:22pm
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Remember what happened when David Stern had the NBA change from leather to a composite ball? The players hated it, said it didn't handle the same, had problems shooting, and shortly into the season Stern switched back to the leather basketballs. Could a similar thing happen in table tennis? ------------- 70s Stiga Stellan Bengtsson FH - Mark V 2.0 BH - Donic Bluefire JP 03 2.0 |
Posted By: j-bo
Date Posted: 06/19/2012 at 9:38am
Awesome. Thank you!
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Posted By: j-bo
Date Posted: 06/20/2012 at 4:02pm
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Spread the word. I just got a lot of emails back from some of the USATT clubs. They had no clue "another" new ball was coming. Millions of players worldwide... we are stuck at around 200 signatures. |
Posted By: Mastermind
Date Posted: 06/20/2012 at 7:53pm
Here are some links to German clubs: http://www.filedropper.com/clubslinksgermany - http://www.filedropper.com/clubslinksgermany |
Posted By: j-bo
Date Posted: 06/25/2012 at 10:18am
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Let's not lose the momentum we've had the last week or so. Are the majority of players just going to throw their hands in the air and give up? Everyone has that much faith in the ITTF and manufacturers? |
Posted By: amateur
Date Posted: 06/25/2012 at 11:33am
If you can show that the new ball will cause hand injuries... because that was the main reason for Stern's reversal. |
Posted By: j-bo
Date Posted: 07/03/2012 at 9:26am
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241 signatures. Do players just want to let the ITTF dictate what is the best for the sport without the players input or desires of the players who pay for the sport of TT? I really am amazed that there are not at least 1,000 signatures at this point. I suppose that 2014 is a long ways off and I also suppose that most are relying on the TT manufacturers to have a break through with the poly ball to play exactly the same, have the same durability, and price as the current celluloid ball. |
Posted By: igorponger
Date Posted: 07/03/2012 at 6:28pm
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He who pays the piper
calls the tune. TableTennis players will always have to perform the game in such a manner that general public and TV-producers would like they to. If, upon having introduced at ITTF major events, the poly balls do promote more attractive game with a longer rallies and less mish*ts, all the elite players will have to unwillingly accept the new balls just for the public better sutisfaction. Beggars and pro players can be no choosers, either |
Posted By: Mastermind
Date Posted: 07/03/2012 at 7:28pm
Generally petitions are not known to be effective, that might be the reason. Critical articles in non-TT newspapers and magazines would be much more effective. |
Posted By: stiltt
Date Posted: 07/03/2012 at 7:53pm
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where can we find poly balls? ------------- /forum/topic91512_page1.html#1124698" rel="nofollow - sales - forum_posts.asp?TID=19315" rel="nofollow - feedback |
Posted By: gweipwu
Date Posted: 07/03/2012 at 9:04pm
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I think the reason people here has no big interest is because at this time we don't know much on the new ball, it may go bad or better. After 2015 we may have a stronger reason to vote. Sorry for a different tone, no offense. ------------- ping pong amateur,... BTY Viscaria FL H3 FH, T64 BH, My feedback link: http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84832&title=feedback-gweipwu |
Posted By: Mastermind
Date Posted: 07/03/2012 at 10:18pm
It will be definitely too late by then. The ITTF is essentially killing the production of the celluloid balls. |
Posted By: gweipwu
Date Posted: 07/03/2012 at 11:13pm
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I hope we can see more convincing testing results of the new ball. And if the new ball is really bad(may be better due to technology advance) we have to take action. ------------- ping pong amateur,... BTY Viscaria FL H3 FH, T64 BH, My feedback link: http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84832&title=feedback-gweipwu |
Posted By: Mastermind
Date Posted: 07/03/2012 at 11:42pm
We have already read reports about the ball being bad. Alone the fact that the ITTF promote a plastic ball that is not even on the market yet, at the same time essentially killing the celluloid ball is an indication of a scam. The lie about celluloid being banned almost everywhere and another lie about coming total celluloid ban are additional indications. |
Posted By: j-bo
Date Posted: 07/05/2012 at 1:05pm
I can agree with this. Typical humans.  It only takes a few minutes to do, doesn't cost anything, and if we could get a big list and present it to the press, that would help bring the issue to light. Oh well..we'll keep at it and see how things progress in the near future. |
Posted By: stiltt
Date Posted: 07/06/2012 at 10:46am
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it seems too hard at the moment http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVKr00gr4fg - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVKr00gr4fg
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Posted By: silva7
Date Posted: 07/06/2012 at 9:11pm
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lol Adam Bobrow is hilarious!! ------------- RSM Special Platinum T64 |
Posted By: GoldenDragoon
Date Posted: 07/06/2012 at 10:32pm
And this is the biggest problem with alot of the negativity about the new ball. The is no finished product out there yet. Everything is pre production and not a finished mass produces product. I understand that some people just like to complain but until we see what eventuates we don't know for certain if the new ball will be worse/same/better. My experience with technological advancement is that things get better, not worse. ------------- Blade: Nexy Spartacus FL 84g FH: Evolution FX-P Max Blk BH: Evolution EL-P 1.9 Red |
Posted By: bluebucket
Date Posted: 07/06/2012 at 10:42pm
| When you have been alive for a long enough time you will realise things only get worse as the years go by. In what year was the worlds finest superball made? |
Posted By: BH-Man
Date Posted: 07/06/2012 at 11:27pm
Oops, kinda like bam-Bam not knowing his own strength. Hehe. ------------- Korea Foreign Table Tennis Club Search for us on Facebook: koreaforeignttc |
Posted By: ttran82
Date Posted: 07/07/2012 at 12:00am
+1
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Posted By: arg0
Date Posted: 07/07/2012 at 2:25am
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Technological advancement often just makes things different: better or worse, that's in people's minds. There's gain at one and, and loss at the other. Younger people tend to say better, older tend to say worse. I suppose I'm somewhere in between. As to the new ball, I see the reasons for being skeptical, but after all for most of us I think that switching to a new ball won't make that huge a difference. Many experiment (and EJ) with equipment anyway, so what's wrong in changing balls, in addition to blades and rubbers? Ok, the fact that it will be pushed on us may not sound fair, but it's the same for everybody, so nobody gets an unfair advantage. Ok, there will be "designed for the poly ball" marketing campaigns. But you won't have to change equipment: you can just ignore them and stick to your current equipment. With some minimal adjustment, I suppose it'll play perfectly fine. OTOH, what I don't like is the period of co-existence of the two ball types. If the poly balls behave differently, the ITTF should set a cut-off date after which everybody should use the poly balls, at least in official tournaments. To avoid clubs and shops sitting on stocks of celluloid balls, I hope this date will be set reasonably in the future. ------------- Nexy Arche & Nittaku Violin LG. Join the forum_posts.asp?TID=47778" rel="nofollow - Nexy Clan ! Also member of Violin & 1-Ply clans. |
Posted By: Imago
Date Posted: 07/07/2012 at 2:37am
| Seems that there are only 250 soulmates all over the world... |
Posted By: BH-Man
Date Posted: 07/07/2012 at 4:24am
ITTF can bend over and lick their toe jam. ITTF has no business directing amature players. Officially it doesn't, but it well know just about EVERY national association checks the block when it comes to whatever ITTF decides to change, so for intents and purposes, ITTF realy DOES control amature TT! ITTF can bend over and lick toe jam again. What needs to happen is national associations listen to their players and vote appropriately. ITTF president is famous for coming on forums and staing that ITTF rules do not apply to amauture players and they are welcome to play with any equipment & format they choose. That is correct at face level, but on the ground, ITTF pretty much dictates what and how in amature TT. ITTF should kiss off, but it isn't their fault. They are making rules for pro TT. It is the national associations' fault for all this and players like us for allowing our national asociations to vote like this. We should all be in hte face of our national associations letting them know where we stand and back it up with how we get them in or out of office. ------------- Korea Foreign Table Tennis Club Search for us on Facebook: koreaforeignttc |
Posted By: roar
Date Posted: 07/07/2012 at 1:12pm
The ITTF doesn't direct amateur players - case in point: go to a bar with a table. I've never met a bar player who doesn't still think it's 38mm balls and 21 point games. Amateur players aren't affected at all. ------------- http://i.imgur.com/wqnxV.gif |
Posted By: ZApenholder
Date Posted: 07/07/2012 at 1:15pm
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Could you define Amateur? As far as I know, if you are non Professional, you are Amateur - even if you play in leagues which follow ITTF rules |
Posted By: roundrobin
Date Posted: 07/07/2012 at 3:31pm
| Bar players don't even qualify as amateurs. They are just drunks. |
Posted By: roundrobin
Date Posted: 07/07/2012 at 3:32pm
| Find a player in any USATT affiliated club who's drunk, lol. |
Posted By: Mastermind
Date Posted: 07/07/2012 at 5:24pm
No, the opposite is true. What was tested by Samsonov back in last September was a finished product and that finished product was rejected and they postponed the use of plastic ball for a year, then William Henzell tested another finished product and found it bad, so they postponed the use of plastic balls for another year. It is not negativity, it is objectivity. Now tell me the whole thing was not a scam from the very beginning. |
Posted By: hidasjoki
Date Posted: 07/07/2012 at 6:20pm
| They postponed the use of the new balls because William Henzell said he didn't like it??? My guess would be that they postponed the use of poly balls because no company has yet to come out with a viable finished product that is not only durable but ready for mass production. Regardless of how things turn out with the new balls they will need consumers in order to sell their product. |
Posted By: Mastermind
Date Posted: 07/07/2012 at 6:59pm
I guess it was not William Henzell alone nor Samsonov, but the Athletes Commission. And of course any piece of sh*t is ready for mass production and the consumers who are we will have no choice, if they do not postpone the whole thing indefinitely. |