Adidas Tenzone Ultra Review & Forum Testing
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Topic: Adidas Tenzone Ultra Review & Forum Testing
Posted By: yogi_bear
Subject: Adidas Tenzone Ultra Review & Forum Testing
Date Posted: 03/08/2013 at 7:30am
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQvAHQWGY54&feature=share - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQvAHQWGY54&feature=share Adidas have been developing this rubber since late last year and they have produced the latest generation esn rubber. They claim that this is newer than the Evolution series in terms of sponge used but also has some sort of different characteristic in its sponge and topsheet.  Weight: 70-72 grams Uncut (max), 45-47 grams cut to an adidas challenge force and avenger 5 blades. Tests blades: Adidas Challenge Force and Avenger 5 Topsheet  The topsheet is similar in nature to the tenzone and tenzone sf in which the ultra has a ligther color compared to dark red colors of the P7. Sponge  it's a creamy white porous sponge unlike its yellow orange predecessors. also it has large pores. Adidas claims that this is a different sponge compared to other ESN rubbers from other brands that were recently released.   While i was pressing against the sponge and rubber i have noticed that it is slightly softer compared to the Tenzone. Therefore this rubber is softer than MX-P but some what close to EL-P in terms of hardness. Speed I have done about 2 weeks testing of this rubber even before when Adidas started to send out the unlabelled rubbers for testing. I would say it is not as fast as the Regular Tenzone in hitting deep into the sponge but it is not slow. I could say this is faster than the P7 but with a more firm feeling when hitting the ball. The P7 has a softer feel when hitting through the sponge. Compared to other brands, the speed is more or less equal to the EL-P, faster than Tenergy 05 and maybe a bit faster than the BF M2. .  Spin What I love about the P7 is its ability to generate spin easily whether you are an amateur player like me or a high level player like Jonathan Groth. Adidas incorporated the spin of the P7 in this rubber at the same increasing its speed by a few notches. You don't have to hit that hard to spin but also its not sensitive to incoming spin enabling easy blocks and returns. The arc when looping is like medium arc, not as high as the T05 as what i have noticed during testing. I would say for higher levels, the Tenzone is still spinnier but the Ultra is much easier to create spin. Its better to create spin hitting through the sponge with teh Ultra, in the tenzone you don't hit as much through teh sponge but you brush it like a Chinese rubber, both having very spinny effects depending on your contact with the ball. Control and other characteristics I have found out and was told that Jonathan Groth is now using this rubber. Before he was using tenzone on both fh and bh sides but when he switched to this rubber, he claims that he had better plays with this because it was more controllable than the tenzone at the same time he didn't have any major adjustments made. Adidas claims Groth really likes this rubber the first tiem he used it. As stated earlier, blocking is very good because its not spin sensitive and is very controllable. In my 2 weeks testing this rubber, i came to like it more using it as a backhand rubber. Although it is a very good rubber for the forehand, it suited my backhand better. Im kinda used to the tenzone nowadays and its a bit odd that i can control the tenzone and the tenzone ultra compared to the P7, maybe its my stroke.  IMHO, this is a bit different from the regular Tenzone and the Tenzone SF. Its a different Tenzone in terms of sponge, feel and control. I believe in my personal opinion, Adidas didn't make a faster rubber as being faster doesn't automatically equal to being a better rubber. I think they made a rubber that will be easier to spin with and at the same time can create spin to its fullest potential because of its being user friendly. Im saying this because even though there are spinnier rubbers in the market, with the Ultra, its like you are not afraid of losing control and spinning it better because you don't have to hold back without fears of the ball going too long. 12 testers with one adidas rubber each: 1. pondus 2. Thethinker 3. Antmay 4. Dalamchops 5. Pingpongholic10 6. Van_doorn 7. Chopchopslam 8. Andysmith 9. Jonyer1980 10. Acuda dave 11.128yingyang 12. delgado ------------- Independent online TT Product reviewer of XIOM, STIGA, JOOLA, SANWEI, GEWO, AIR, ITC, APEX, YASAKA and ABROS ITTF Level 1 Coaching Course Conductor, ITTF Level 1 Coach |
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Posted By: Zach Moy
Date Posted: 03/08/2013 at 7:45am
| How would one qualify to be a tester of the rubber? |
Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 03/08/2013 at 7:47am
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just post what you feel about the rubber if you have tested it, of course an honest but non biased detailed review ------------- Independent online TT Product reviewer of XIOM, STIGA, JOOLA, SANWEI, GEWO, AIR, ITC, APEX, YASAKA and ABROS ITTF Level 1 Coaching Course Conductor, ITTF Level 1 Coach |
Posted By: haggisv
Date Posted: 03/08/2013 at 8:21am
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Seems like a new trend is starting, where manufacturers send out some samples without logos to get some feedback. I quite like the idea... helps everyone.
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Posted By: neutronbomb
Date Posted: 03/08/2013 at 8:55am
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i'd like to test one. i've been curious about some of the adidas rubbers for awhile. i practice with a robot quite often and match play 10 hours a week. i can give a review based on my feel and what others think about the shots they receive. if i can test one, let me know and i'll give you an address. thanks ------------- USATT Rating 2059 FH Tibhar 5Q+ BH Giant Dragon Long Hallmark Aurora |
Posted By: The Shakehander
Date Posted: 03/08/2013 at 8:59am
| Is it pips out? :) |
Posted By: dalamchops
Date Posted: 03/08/2013 at 9:07am
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I'll try it. I use inverted on BH, SP on FH
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Posted By: PingPongHolic10
Date Posted: 03/08/2013 at 9:13am
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I would like to test:) posted numerous reviews here.
Can use it on both wings ------------- http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=55790&KW=&title=fs-ft-2014-inventory-clearancecpenspro-releases" rel="nofollow - My FS/FT Member of Yinhe,OSP & Nexy Clan |
Posted By: van_doorn
Date Posted: 03/08/2013 at 9:26am
I can test one, but i live in the Netherlands, but i can post it on the dutch forum as well for extra exposure. Let me know if this is possible  ------------- Butterfly Harimoto sZLC Butterfly Tenergy 05 Xiom Vega Japan http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35143&PID=432629#432629" rel="nofollow - MyFeedbackSection |
Posted By: seoulkorean
Date Posted: 03/08/2013 at 9:32am
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I would be interested in testing this out as well. Thanks. ------------- http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=56326&PID=688594#688594" rel="nofollow - My Feedback Primary: Stiga Hybrid Wood NCT with Boost TP/TC Backup: RSM PLatinum with TSP Triple Spin |
Posted By: chopchopslam
Date Posted: 03/08/2013 at 10:04am
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Sign me up!! ------------- Butterfly Grubba Pro Tenergy 80 National Team Pogo LP .6mm |
Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 03/08/2013 at 10:23am
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If you want some euro representation, I'm up for it! Used R6, P3, P5 for many months in the past few years. ------------- This was a great signature until I realised it was overrated. |
Posted By: robs75
Date Posted: 03/08/2013 at 10:31am
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Hello, I would love the chance to try a rubber? I would be more than happy to write a review.
thanks ------------- Acuda S1 - Butterfly Timo Boll ALC - Hurricane 3 |
Posted By: ZApenholder
Date Posted: 03/08/2013 at 10:36am
USA, RSA very simliar... 
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Posted By: ckhirnigs113
Date Posted: 03/08/2013 at 10:43am
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I would like to test the rubber as well. I'll be happy to post my findings. Thanks! ------------- Blade: Victas Koji Matsushita FL FH: Xiom Vega Japan MAX BH: TSP P-1R 1.0mm USATT Rating: 1947 |
Posted By: jonyer1980
Date Posted: 03/08/2013 at 11:39am
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I woukd be pleased if they also could do the same on Europe. ------------- Rosewood V FL Nittaku Fastarc G1-FH Stiga DNA Pro-S MAX BH Avoid any Butterfly stuff... at abusive prices. Raw power without control means nothing |
Posted By: Pingvinis
Date Posted: 03/08/2013 at 11:49am
| They are probably doing it in Europe, but through European channels, not mytt.net. I'd guess they are also having this tested by their sponsored players in Europe. |
Posted By: Zach Moy
Date Posted: 03/08/2013 at 11:50am
| I would like to test a rubber as well. I play smooth both sides, two wing looper. |
Posted By: SpinTheory
Date Posted: 03/08/2013 at 1:01pm
| I would like to test one as well please pm me |
Posted By: right2niru
Date Posted: 03/08/2013 at 1:29pm
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I would like to test and post my unbiased findings . ------------- ZJK SZLC |5Q+ |
Posted By: AcudaDave
Date Posted: 03/08/2013 at 1:30pm
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Please include me as a Tester for this rubber. Thanks, Dave ------------- Joola Zhou Qihao 90 blade Joola Dynaryz Inferno max - BH Nittaku Moristo SP 2.0 - FH |
Posted By: 128YinYang
Date Posted: 03/08/2013 at 6:19pm
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I would enjoy testing one, Yogi. I have done testing for Nexy blades, and I am currently testing the Vega Japan (courtesy of tabletennis11). Thank you. ------------- Selling Everything! No set-up at this time. |
Posted By: Dr.Cho
Date Posted: 03/08/2013 at 7:14pm
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Please sign me up also Thanks Dr Cho
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Posted By: DeIgado
Date Posted: 03/08/2013 at 7:27pm
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I've tested a lot of rubbers and I am over 2000. Been here for a while. I'd like to test this one out. ------------- Viscaria 86g T05 T05-fx 2059 and rising |
Posted By: barq9033
Date Posted: 03/08/2013 at 7:29pm
| I would like to test it. I have tried Adidas P5 and I am currently using tenzone. I also have some people that can give some feedback. |
Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 03/09/2013 at 1:17am
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alex, i think other companies have been doing these before but its fun testing rubbers, i already have the labelled rubbers but i cant share it until march 20. the list have been updated, to those who have not been chosen rest assured you will have your chance to test since adidas will have lots of new products this year ------------- Independent online TT Product reviewer of XIOM, STIGA, JOOLA, SANWEI, GEWO, AIR, ITC, APEX, YASAKA and ABROS ITTF Level 1 Coaching Course Conductor, ITTF Level 1 Coach |
Posted By: Jubei
Date Posted: 03/09/2013 at 3:22am
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I think it will be best if Adidas can just send test rubbers directly to players. In Indonesia, several people is selling those test rubbers.........................
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Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 03/09/2013 at 6:10am
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ahmm adidas is sending those rubbers directly via fedex. ------------- Independent online TT Product reviewer of XIOM, STIGA, JOOLA, SANWEI, GEWO, AIR, ITC, APEX, YASAKA and ABROS ITTF Level 1 Coaching Course Conductor, ITTF Level 1 Coach |
Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 03/09/2013 at 6:22am
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let me reiterate this statement - please include your contact numbers! fedex wont send it without your number ------------- Independent online TT Product reviewer of XIOM, STIGA, JOOLA, SANWEI, GEWO, AIR, ITC, APEX, YASAKA and ABROS ITTF Level 1 Coaching Course Conductor, ITTF Level 1 Coach |
Posted By: DeIgado
Date Posted: 03/14/2013 at 8:14pm
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I got mine in today, where to review at? ------------- Viscaria 86g T05 T05-fx 2059 and rising |
Posted By: dalamchops
Date Posted: 03/14/2013 at 8:17pm
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Posted By: Rich215
Date Posted: 03/14/2013 at 8:21pm
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Weights, cut sizes.....sponge pics?
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Posted By: dalamchops
Date Posted: 03/14/2013 at 8:37pm
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Don't really have a good enough camera to take sponge pictures. It's a cream color porous sponge, similar to ESN Tensor rubbers (color is diff of course). Looks fairly soft. One distinct thing i notice so far is the sponge smells quite different to the current gen. Both Tibhar Evolution and Donic Bluefire have this huge TUNER smell, vs a chemical smell for the Adidas. (i know they both smell chemically, but the bluefire/evolution actually smell gross, the adidas more resembles the previous Acuda/Hexer generation) ------------- Stiga Titanium 5.4 Cpen Andro Hexer Pips 2.1 Donic Acuda S2 Max |
Posted By: DeIgado
Date Posted: 03/14/2013 at 8:37pm
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I think I may just make a video, but until that happens, I'll give my initial impressions. It's a very pourus sponge similar to most of the new generation of rubbers. Looks a lot like the blitz sponge but is more firm. Topsheet seems similar to new generation esn rubbers, nothing too special. Moderate grip. Does not pop or sound like tenergy. It is harder than t05. Seems good in the short game. I haven't tried the new Evolution rubbers, but from what I have read, this one is most similar to the hardest evolution. I'll play more with it tomorrow and post a bit more. ------------- Viscaria 86g T05 T05-fx 2059 and rising |
Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 03/14/2013 at 9:08pm
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please post the reviews here. also to thsoe who havent sent me their contact numbers aside from their addresses please do so now or you wont have your test rubbers ------------- Independent online TT Product reviewer of XIOM, STIGA, JOOLA, SANWEI, GEWO, AIR, ITC, APEX, YASAKA and ABROS ITTF Level 1 Coaching Course Conductor, ITTF Level 1 Coach |
Posted By: Globe999
Date Posted: 03/15/2013 at 12:48pm
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Can I test one? ------------- ______________________________ Phoenixville Table Tennis Club http://PhoenixvilleTTC.com - http://PhoenixvilleTTC.com |
Posted By: jonyer1980
Date Posted: 03/16/2013 at 10:41am
Pm sent. Thanks dude! ------------- Rosewood V FL Nittaku Fastarc G1-FH Stiga DNA Pro-S MAX BH Avoid any Butterfly stuff... at abusive prices. Raw power without control means nothing |
yogi_bear wrote:Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 03/17/2013 at 6:05am
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i weighed the rubber in a kitchen scale. its about 72 grams uncut and 45-47grams cut to an adidas blade ------------- Independent online TT Product reviewer of XIOM, STIGA, JOOLA, SANWEI, GEWO, AIR, ITC, APEX, YASAKA and ABROS ITTF Level 1 Coaching Course Conductor, ITTF Level 1 Coach |
Posted By: Antmay
Date Posted: 03/17/2013 at 10:38am
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Just got the test rubber on Friday. I will hit with it on Tuesday with my coach and report my finding soon after. Thanks, Anthony ------------- http://www.mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=33286&title=feedback-antmay - My Feedback |
Posted By: bbkon
Date Posted: 03/17/2013 at 12:58pm
I would like to test the short pips from ADIDAS
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Posted By: dalamchops
Date Posted: 03/17/2013 at 7:18pm
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Had a quick hit with the rubber today. Comparing to the Acuda S2 that i've been using, Sponge is noticeably denser, but the rubber plays softer than that. I think it has to do with the fact that the topsheet is somewhat softer than the Acuda. The softer topsheet allows the rubber to grab the ball easier, and the hard sponge catapults the ball quicker (also lower throw). Whereas sometimes I feel the Acuda S2 just hold the ball far too long, and a spinney shot comes out rather than a fast shot. I used it on the backhand and it really excelled at blocking and couter-looping. I would love to use it as a daily, but judging from Adidas's price history, it might be too rich for my blood ------------- Stiga Titanium 5.4 Cpen Andro Hexer Pips 2.1 Donic Acuda S2 Max |
Posted By: robs75
Date Posted: 03/17/2013 at 8:35pm
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if it is possible any you can sell one of the rubbers. i would not mind purchasing a test rubber. please pm me if you are able to do this. after you are done with your reviews
thanks ------------- Acuda S1 - Butterfly Timo Boll ALC - Hurricane 3 |
Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 03/18/2013 at 5:52am
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OK, rubber arrived this morning. I've taken some quick photos, but lighting isn't the best yet (too early). Need to get a macro lens for this kind of work too. Still, you can zoom in and see some detail if you like:
https://plus.google.com/photos/108579723250927437374/albums/5856610803910635969 Topsheet doesn't feel massively grippy, but is supple. Pips look quite closely packed. Sponge feels medium-hard, and quite resistive when compressed. Porous, like recent Bluefires and Evolutions. Has a good "wobble" effect when you jiggle it around. Doesn't smell of the Bluefire tuner at all - has a smell which reminds me of when I have my car tyres changed. Smells like Kwik Fit, for those in the UK. In the photo with the rubbers stacked, you have the adidas at the bottom, Bluefire M3 Max in the middle, and T80 1.9 at the top. The adidas pip structure is very close to Bluefire. To the naked eye, I would say identical. T80's pips are spaced wider apart. Just picking up other random rubbers - Sigma Euro looks to have similar pip spacing, but the adidas has wider pips. And for what it's worth (i.e. not much), Shark 2's pips are smaller and wider spaced than the adidas. Good fortune - training night is tonight. Will get it cut and report back in the morning. Oh, and uncut weight is 70g, cut to Hayabusa (158x152) is 49g. ------------- This was a great signature until I realised it was overrated. |
Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 03/18/2013 at 7:39pm
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Back from training. Overall, it's very impressive. Has a lot of nice qualities... Spin Spin generation is slightly above average. The topsheet isn't overly reactive, so service return is very reliable. It's not the spinniest rubber of this generation, but it's still better than most. It's also easy to get the spin working on medium strength shots - it's very accessible, even if it's not loaded. I remember this kind of feeling with Omega Asia IV - hard sponge/soft topsheet. The test rubber's sponge is softer than OAIV, which is a good thing for me. I thought OAIV was very specialised. Speed It's good! Was less bouncy in the short game than I'd thought, but responds well when you start to increase the speed of your shot. There's enough in there for faster blocks, but I had to be a bit more active for short blocks (I'm used to bouncier rubbers). It's very linear. Although I haven't used Evolution, this sounds very like how people have been describing it. Throw For me, this is the best bit. It has a very natural throw - not very high like Bluefire, or oddly low like Rasant, but steady medium (maybe medium-low). One thing I noticed was the throw remained steady throughout a big range of shots and speeds. So drives were medium-low, but looping big kept quite a tight arc too. This made it great for the BH side - very easy to punch block, drive, and loop, all with a good medium-low arc to them. The whole range of shots were effective, and it did a great job of keeping pressure on the opponent. I'm not 100% on how it plays from distance yet - I ran out of time. On the odd occasion it happened tonight, it was still good. It doesn't produce the huge arc cartoon loops of some rubbers, but the linearity means it's easy to add the pace you need to the shot, so it's still quite easy to land a low-arc shot from distance. Overall This rubber is probably the best overall package of characteristics that I've seen recently. The sponge and topsheet work really well together to keep everything feeling very natural and predictable, while remaining fast and spinny enough to be effective. I started with it on the BH side, and it worked very well. I tend to go with softer sponges on that wing, so I was sending some bigger shots long. But everything else was excellent, and my short game was easier than most of my other BH options. Also easy to flick and roll over the table. I wasn't expecting to like it on the FH side, but it worked well there too. The "neutral" feel gave it a great compromise feel between driving and looping, rather than specialising in one particular area. A real do-it-all kind of rubber, but not in a mediocre way where every characteristic becomes below-average. This did present a slight problem in that the loop arc was quite easily readable at the other side of the table. I could keep increasing the spin, but the ball kept coming back (mostly via blocking). I passed it around some of our best club players (including one Nationally ranked player). The first thing they commented on was how easy it was to play a steady offensive spin game with it. Far easier to get a good quality topspin shot going - they could apply pressure on the rally without really straining themselves. They have cleaner technique than me, but even so we were all impressed by how quickly they all adapted to using it. Sometimes you move to a new rubber and you send the big loops long, and/or the short touches go into the net. Not this time. Downsides - it's a bit heavy, spin isn't as good as some of its peers, and looping seemed easy to read for the opponents. So there you go - a bit rambling, so I'll try to get some more coherent thoughts together after a few more sessions. It's the first of this generation's ESN rubbers that would suit BH and FH for me (I usually go with quite different characteristics on either side) - I'd quite like to try 1.8mm BH and 2.0mm FH to keep the weight down a bit. Have to wait until Yogi reveals the rubber name on Wednesday, and then see how Adidas are going to price it :-) Many thanks to Yogi and Adidas for the testing program. It's a great way to generate buzz over a new product, and I wish more companies were as proactive with the TT online community!
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Posted By: DeIgado
Date Posted: 03/18/2013 at 8:00pm
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Yea I think that ease of use is the best characteristic of this rubber. I didn't find it to be exceptionally good at anything really. It is quite controllable in the short game, spinny enough on serves, not amazing but not bad with loops and drives. Pushes are spinny but reasonable. Throw seemed quite low. Lots of feeling on most shots. A very easy to use rubber in my opinion.
I am going to add a few layers of my homemade tuner to see if it becomes more lively. ------------- Viscaria 86g T05 T05-fx 2059 and rising |
Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 03/19/2013 at 6:36am
I've thought a bit more overnight, and it reminds me of a lightly glued classic rubber - more so than any other rubber from this gen I've tried so far (again, not tried Evolution yet). It's like a classic japanese rubber with a great injection of pace and spin. Like a Sriver or MarkV, pumped up a bit, but retaining the easy-going nature. It may not have any immediately obvious class-leading qualities, but the solid performance in every area is a massive plus in its own way.
Ah, that could be interesting... ------------- This was a great signature until I realised it was overrated. |
Posted By: nikk64
Date Posted: 03/19/2013 at 7:08am
Thanks for the good review Andismith. I am looking for a faster analogue Nittaku Hammond Pro Beta. Are there any common features with the Аdidas Top Secret ?
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Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 03/19/2013 at 7:17am
Sorry mate, not used any of the Hammond series, and I'd rather not guess! ------------- This was a great signature until I realised it was overrated. |
Posted By: DeIgado
Date Posted: 03/19/2013 at 11:41am
I think that is the best description of it, It's like a modern day mark 5 that is a little bit harder. The tough part is that I doubt the price tag of this rubber will be justified given the quality of rubbers currently on the market. I'm interested to see how exactly they market this rubber. Honestly, when I started using this thing, I wondered if this was actually a market test, and not really a test of the new rubber. They could have easily given me an unmarked sheet of one of their current lower end rubbers, and asked me to review it to see if the reviews they received were all positive (because people got a free sheet of rubber) ------------- Viscaria 86g T05 T05-fx 2059 and rising |
Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 03/19/2013 at 11:51am
That would be quite the social experiment! I'm not so sure - this looks very much like the current ESN generation to me. The topsheet and sponge look very much like Bluefire, but the tuning is different, and the topsheet lacks BF's higher grip. I think it's a variation on that theme - Adidas will have specified a certain configuration with ESN, and this is what popped out. It does seem more all-round and less specialised than Bluefire / Rasant, but maybe that's what they wanted? Bear in mind that the reviewers on the Evolution thread have said similar things about this allround feel, so this test rubber might be quite close to the Evolution construction. Also, I wonder if the final product will be available in a range of sponge hardnesses, and where this test rubber fits in? ------------- This was a great signature until I realised it was overrated. |
Posted By: dalamchops
Date Posted: 03/20/2013 at 10:55am
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I'm done with mine, If anyone wants to pay for shipping, i can send it their way for the person to do a review (CONUS ONLY)
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Posted By: 128YinYang
Date Posted: 03/20/2013 at 11:21am
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Have not received mine yet.... ------------- Selling Everything! No set-up at this time. |
Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 03/20/2013 at 11:27am
Hey Yogi! Don't keep us in suspense, dish the dirt! Spill your beans! ------------- This was a great signature until I realised it was overrated. |
Posted By: PingPongHolic10
Date Posted: 03/20/2013 at 1:24pm
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Got the rubber & was able to play with it yesterday. Glued with my main blade OSP 5ply customed First Impressions: Topsheet reminded me a lot like Shark2, especially the pimple structures: semi tall & packed closely together. Vanilla sponge is porous like the Andro’s Hexer HD or Tenergy, which have a lot of small pores. Hardness is somewhere between 45-47.5 Tensor Scales. After gluing, I always do the spin test, and it resembles a lot like T05FX (even tho the physical structure is different). Soft topsheet lets the ball sink into sponge. This is the kind of rubber I’m looking for on my backhand. M1 & Hexer HD both have harder topsheet which require active strokes, which is why I believe they are both better as FH rubbers. Rubber is quite heavy at 71gr uncut. First session: I planned to just practice with the Adidas Top Secret rubber just to get a feel & learn its characteristics, but little did I know the first day I’m at the Rec, it is crowded…but with very good players ~2000. Very good feel rubber with blocking and counters, the ball really penetrates into the sponge on blocking/countering fast or spinny shots… I did encounter some problems in returning dead ball/heavy underspin serves with my BH, usually I use mini brush loop. Topsheet is not overly grippy as others I’ve used, and soft topsheet gives a split of second dwell time that I don’t need for close-table play against no-spin, and underspin. Will have to adjust to the inside table techniques. But I can say that out of table play is just wonderful. Will have clips of video up after edits. Overall, I would say this rubber is OFF-, for an all-arounder on BH play. Also would like to add that rubber is not overly bouncy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQaKjZvJCps&feature=youtu.be - Sorry guys, video is not avail for mobile phones ;( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQaKjZvJCps&feature=youtu.be - - -
Second session: not very good players at the club I played last nite. I was able to test the Adidas TS rubber on my FH. This thing plays very similar to T05FX as I have played with that rubber as FH for a short stint when I hurt my abdominal area. Sponge is definitely harder than 05FX, better kick off the table on my loops, very good spin off serves. Fast serves get jumpy. Excellent control overall on rallies & blocks. Brush loop on FH is almost non-existent, same problem as I have on my BH. Must hit through the topsheet… This rubber plays like an OFF on FH, at least for my style. |
Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 03/25/2013 at 12:51pm
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Tenzone Ultra: http://schoeler-micke.tabletennis-shop.de/en/Rubbers/adidas-TenZone-Ultra.html - http://schoeler-micke.tabletennis-shop.de/en/Rubbers/adidas-TenZone-Ultra.html ------------- This was a great signature until I realised it was overrated. |
Posted By: assiduous
Date Posted: 03/25/2013 at 1:54pm
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can i test one? ------------- puppy412 : Sorry man, I don't mean to sound disrespectful, but I know that more training will make me better, I don't need to come here to figure that out |
Posted By: PXadidas
Date Posted: 03/25/2013 at 3:45pm
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Posted By: assiduous
Date Posted: 03/25/2013 at 5:17pm
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I am sorry, I don't have a Facebook account. I would still like to test it. ------------- puppy412 : Sorry man, I don't mean to sound disrespectful, but I know that more training will make me better, I don't need to come here to figure that out |
Posted By: thethinker
Date Posted: 03/31/2013 at 2:39am
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thethinker's review of the Adidas top secret rubber:
.First, find agreement with a lot of AndySmith. .Almost sandpaper like dry sponge very suitable for tuning (if you do). One layer of Elmer's rubber cement and the rubber curled up. Totally Euro rubber with no stick to the topsheet. I use it for backhand only. H3p forehand. .Well control with not too much glue effect (more like tuned). It is a well balanced rubber (between speed and spin); each element is enough to play an allround offensive game while maintain total control. It is best for player with a controlled aggression type of game. The best part is that the topsheet doesn't react to spin much and service returns and blocks are well above average. Still it's fast enough to required a experienced player. .It is probably little less speed and spin than T64 that I was using for my backhand; so little that I don't have any problem adjusting. The throw is close to T64 than T05 or T25 (not tried T80 yet). It suits the same style players. .Like it on stiff blades like the Photino that some of the testing was done. .Edge of the topsheet cracked after paddle hitting the table slightly. Don't know if it can be easily damaged like some rubbers, with the edge totally beat up in a month or two. Would like to use a few sheets to give that opinion. I also cut the sheet a little big to see if it will shrink. Will monitor durability and shrinkage, if any. Update only if they happen. .All and all a decent rubber for my backhand if the price is acceptable. The maker should come out with a more ideal softer version (i.e.FX) for the backhand or an Asian version for the forehand. |
Posted By: robs75
Date Posted: 03/31/2013 at 8:23pm
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If anybody is done I would gladly pay to test one. feel free to PM me
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Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 04/01/2013 at 6:52am
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updated with review for the Tenzone Ultra Rubber on first page ------------- Independent online TT Product reviewer of XIOM, STIGA, JOOLA, SANWEI, GEWO, AIR, ITC, APEX, YASAKA and ABROS ITTF Level 1 Coaching Course Conductor, ITTF Level 1 Coach |
Posted By: Imago
Date Posted: 04/01/2013 at 7:19am
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Great reviews, thank you for sharing your impressions!
Now waiting for the TenzoNe Plus Ultra
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Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 04/01/2013 at 7:36am
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Plamen hahaha thanks, I hope they would give a different name. I have the new Hypertouch bladenow. i need to review it thsi week and will post pics tomorrow ------------- Independent online TT Product reviewer of XIOM, STIGA, JOOLA, SANWEI, GEWO, AIR, ITC, APEX, YASAKA and ABROS ITTF Level 1 Coaching Course Conductor, ITTF Level 1 Coach |
Posted By: Skynums
Date Posted: 04/01/2013 at 8:11am
| Hoping to buy a used ones to save some bucks! Anyone selling? |
Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 04/02/2013 at 5:54am
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i asked jonathan groth today and he says that the tenzone ultra has better control and seems like more catapult than the original tenzone. i still find the tenzone faster though. also, i forgot to state that the ultra is also good in spinny pushes and very spinny in serves also. i never had a problem with drop shots or flicks ------------- Independent online TT Product reviewer of XIOM, STIGA, JOOLA, SANWEI, GEWO, AIR, ITC, APEX, YASAKA and ABROS ITTF Level 1 Coaching Course Conductor, ITTF Level 1 Coach |
Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 04/02/2013 at 5:59am
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It's a shame they kept the Tenzone name for the new rubber. They don't have much in common really. And adding Ultra to the end of the name makes it sound wilder than the original, which is the opposite of what it actually is. Nice review yogi, as always. It's a great rubber, but a bit expensive. ------------- This was a great signature until I realised it was overrated. |
Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 04/02/2013 at 9:17am
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the ultra was really good combined with thehypertouch blade. no wonder jonathan groth really likes it. about the name i guess i agree, the ultra is a different rubber from the 2 original tenzone rubbers ------------- Independent online TT Product reviewer of XIOM, STIGA, JOOLA, SANWEI, GEWO, AIR, ITC, APEX, YASAKA and ABROS ITTF Level 1 Coaching Course Conductor, ITTF Level 1 Coach |
Posted By: 128YinYang
Date Posted: 04/02/2013 at 9:31am
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I found the rubber to be like an enhanced version of a classic rubber, like a modern ESN of Mark V. Very nice on my BH. I switched to using this rubber on my BH instead of Vega Japan, because it is much more controllable, and at my level I am not yet ready to handle the explosive power of Vega Japan just yet. ------------- Selling Everything! No set-up at this time. |
Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 04/02/2013 at 9:58am
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there is a contest in http://www.tabletennis-sport.com/ - http://www.tabletennis-sport.com that gives a participant a chance to win 20 rubbers (tenzone ultra). thecatch isyou have to return the 20 rubbers after 1 year of using them or be charged with the rubbers. ------------- Independent online TT Product reviewer of XIOM, STIGA, JOOLA, SANWEI, GEWO, AIR, ITC, APEX, YASAKA and ABROS ITTF Level 1 Coaching Course Conductor, ITTF Level 1 Coach |
Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 04/02/2013 at 9:59am
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128yinyang, i also like it more in the backhand than in the forehand ------------- Independent online TT Product reviewer of XIOM, STIGA, JOOLA, SANWEI, GEWO, AIR, ITC, APEX, YASAKA and ABROS ITTF Level 1 Coaching Course Conductor, ITTF Level 1 Coach |
Posted By: vvk1
Date Posted: 04/02/2013 at 10:34am
Surely you mean "to win one of 20 rubbers" ...
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Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 04/02/2013 at 10:57am
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this is what the form says "Would you like to play one season with the new adidas TenZone Ultra for free? Then register here and win one of twenty TenZone Ultra flatrates.* You can register here until 30th of June and we will inform the twenty lucky winners via email afterwards. * Every TenZone Ultra flatrate consists of 20 TenZone Ultra rubber total in a one year period. All used rubbers have to be sent back to us. Otherwise we will have to invoice the rubbers which were not sent back." ------------- Independent online TT Product reviewer of XIOM, STIGA, JOOLA, SANWEI, GEWO, AIR, ITC, APEX, YASAKA and ABROS ITTF Level 1 Coaching Course Conductor, ITTF Level 1 Coach |
Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 04/02/2013 at 11:14am
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Bonkers. I wonder why you have to send them back? Recycling? ------------- This was a great signature until I realised it was overrated. |
Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 04/02/2013 at 11:17am
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probably to discourage people from selling them and also protection for distributors, its 20x20 so its a lot of rubbers ------------- Independent online TT Product reviewer of XIOM, STIGA, JOOLA, SANWEI, GEWO, AIR, ITC, APEX, YASAKA and ABROS ITTF Level 1 Coaching Course Conductor, ITTF Level 1 Coach |
Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 04/02/2013 at 11:31am
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Ah ha, I see. Some evil people might put them onto eBay I suppose. Me? If I win I'll cover myself in rubbers in the bath. Not sure they'd want them back then. ------------- This was a great signature until I realised it was overrated. |
Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 04/02/2013 at 8:39pm
you can sleep on them when they are all laid out on the floor  ------------- Independent online TT Product reviewer of XIOM, STIGA, JOOLA, SANWEI, GEWO, AIR, ITC, APEX, YASAKA and ABROS ITTF Level 1 Coaching Course Conductor, ITTF Level 1 Coach |
Posted By: 128YinYang
Date Posted: 04/03/2013 at 12:29am
Yea, I keep my FH reserved for Chinese rubbers .But I have to say that the TenZone Ultra is great for the BH, giving a mild touch of the ESN tensor power, while having great control and insensitivity to spin. Me gusta! ------------- Selling Everything! No set-up at this time. |
Posted By: 128YinYang
Date Posted: 04/03/2013 at 12:30am
They would make for a sweet doormat! Or very flashy place-mats for the dinner table  ------------- Selling Everything! No set-up at this time. |
Posted By: lachieminers98
Date Posted: 04/03/2013 at 6:34am
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Adidas Top Secret review (Adidas Tenzone ultra before release) |
Posted By: Rich215
Date Posted: 04/05/2013 at 11:12am
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Thanks to AndySmith I have had a chance to use this rubber (red max) on my Spartacus. Rakza soft max and Rakza regular 2.0mm as comparison to what I use now on the Spartacus. After counter hitting FH to FH for about 2 minutes.....my impression was....wow this is so dead feeling. I was expecting more pop or bounce from the sponge because it is so heavy. The cut rubber size is 155x153, had a light layer of glue on it, 50g weight. I can not really add much in detial from what Andy has already written so in such detail, but this rubber just felt very dead to me. I would say it is maybe the most linear ESN out there, it seems. I had to have a much more active swing and closed off angle to keep the ball down when hitting/looping close to the table. When moving off the table several feet this was not as bad and it was easier to keep the flight/arc of the ball hitting the table where I directed it. For service return and touch shots, I felt that I could not get as much spin on the ball to leave the opponent a more deadly short back spin return. I have more grip and feel with my Rakza rubbers and am able to get tons of backspin on returns. But a big plus was the spin sensitivity of the Adidas Top Secret/Ultra rubber. It is very spin insensitive for sure. Because of its weight and lack of punch/bounce, it is not a rubber I would like to use with my touch or style. It felt sort of like a stiffer sponged Mark V with little grip to me. I think that is the best way I can sum it up. I will be giving the rubber to 2 other forum members that are in my local area. They are both much higher rated players than I, so it will be interesting to see what they think after testing it. ------------- |
Posted By: Brycest
Date Posted: 04/08/2013 at 6:37am
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Hello everyone i'm kinda new in this board, I've been reading reviews ,you guys' opinion and suggestion for a few years but I never had a chance to post or registered. But today may I share my opinion on this review Adidas tenzone ultra
I just have a chace test the testing version of this Tenzone Ultra(TZU) recently. I'll review it compare to others well-known rubber that make every a lot easier to understand the performance. Sponge Hardness >> first that everyone hit the ball with some new rubber I think this is the first thing you'll notice let's say TZU is a medium kinda soft sponge (Softer than Tenzone and tenzone sf) I compare it to a TG 05-fx. This TZU is a little bit softer than 05-fx that's make you gain a little bit more control and less spin on the ball. I can say it's very similar sponge hardness to acuda s1 (but a little softer) Rubber's Tacky >> this TZU not tacky let's say it's a little bit less tacky than TG 05-fx , most likely acuda S1 Spring of sponge >> this is I think is the best of this tenzone series the sponge is super spring, I use it compare to TG 05-fx it's almost the same spring (but a little bit less I guess, cuz I even hardly noticed that) Conclusion >> TZU is best for someone looking for balanced blocking topspin or play far from the table (Cuz the super spring sponge). I suggest it for backhand cuz it's good control make things a lot easier when you have to block even when you attack its power is great, or forehand who need very spring sponge very powerful smash. disadvantage >> only disadvantage of this rubber is it can't make that kind of spin (I mean compare to some harder rubber like TG 05, Tenzone, Tenzone sf) Ps. On of my best reason on Addidas rubber is the price compare to the quality, It's so worth it. I think you can't review base just on quality, it's like you compare sport car to a sedan and say sport car is better. for this tenzone it's like you pay half of the price and gets 80percent of the quality (if you get me) LOL |
Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 04/09/2013 at 7:44am
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another tenzone ultra video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcb-J_ucQGU - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcb-J_ucQGU
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Posted By: igsstern
Date Posted: 04/14/2013 at 5:10am
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The sponge hardness of TenZone Ultra is about 47.0 degree. It is apparently harder than the sponge of Tenergy 05 FX or Acuda S1. But, nevertheless we feel that TenZone Ultra is quite soft. That is because its "damping coefficient" is lower. It can be compared to the suspension system of vehicle. The suspension system includes "spring" and "damper". Spring makes resistant force against deflection, and damper makes resistant force against speed. In fact, the effect of "speed glue" isn't making the spring coefficient of rubber higher but making the damping coefficient lower. By lowering the damping coefficient of rubber, less energy is dispersed during the period of impact between ball and rubber. That is the effect of speed glue, but TT makers don't right or tell it. That is because that explanation is somewhat difficult for ordinary people who don't have scientific background. Just mentioning "increased tension" is common way of explanation, and works well in market. Before 2009, when we applied speed gule to sponge, the construction of sponge is slightly "melted". It can be expressed as "half-melted" state. (I selected easy word.) That greatly reduces the damping coefficient of sponge (and top sheet also), and as a result the efficiency of energy is greatly increased. But, what player feels is just that the rubber becomes softer. The softness of TenZone Ultra shows that it contains "more perfect" integrated glue effect. The softness isn't due to lower spring coefficient but due to lower damping coefficient. So called "sponge hardness" means only spring coefficient of sponge, and it can't explain the actual feeling that is concerned with relative "speed" between ball and rubber. During the period of impact between ball and rubber, what tells the story isn't hardness (= spring coefficient) but damping coefficient. That is the reason why we feel TenZone Ultra softer. TenZone Ultra is different from any rubber that has been in the market. That is because TenZone Ultra is the first model of "new generation" Tensor rubber. As Yogi updated the posting, the final one with full packaging is much better than the first distributed samples. It makes great spin at any situation, and draws dramatic arc. I think that some players will prefer "wilder" TenZone or "unique" P7. At weak impact, TenZone provides stronger bounce, the "firm feeling + reduce bounce" of P7 makes it the ideal one for all-round play. However, it isn't exaggeration that TenZone Ultra has both of the power of TenZone and the spin of P7. At weak impact, the bounce of TenZone Ultra is lower than that of TenZone, and that is the key factor of the ease of use. Differently from TenZone, TenZone Ultra is really easy to use at any situation. At weak impact it is slower than TenZone. But, instead, TenZone Ultra gives better spin and better control. At strong impact, the speed of TenZone Ultra is the same or higher than that of TenZone. |
Posted By: igsstern
Date Posted: 04/14/2013 at 5:16am
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But, the most important factor of TenZone Ultra is the "stability". That "stability" includes the characteristic that TenZone Ultra seldom sends ball to the net. In many cases, that kind of characteristics is much more important than the speed or the spin. And, that is the reason why many top players have selected Tenergy 05. Tenergy 05 isn't speedy or powerful rubber. The most important advantage of Tenergy 05 is that it seldom sends ball to the net. So far many German rubbers of "Tenergy 05 type" haven't been perfect in that issue. But, the story will be different from 2013. |
Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 04/14/2013 at 7:51am
I think this must be somehow standard. A guy I know who is sponsored by Butterfly and gets all his rubber for free is supposed to send back his used sheets. They don't really care how much he uses, just so he sends it back when used. |
Posted By: ttping85
Date Posted: 04/14/2013 at 7:58am
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How come so many new members come to post here about the "amazingness" of this rubber? Marketing? Personally I tried it and I found the topsheet way too firm but that's because I like soft or elastic topsheets. I prefer the topsheet from the previous Tenzones. The good thing about the Tenzone Ultar was the great dwell-time and control compared to the other two Tenzones. Less speed but somehow more power and more spin. ------------- My list of blades for sale https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1wYci9423byd3X43DhSsaXOmysNKMfK-RnPWSo3UfpkQ/edit?usp=drivesdk |
Posted By: igsstern
Date Posted: 04/14/2013 at 8:20am
Even though you are saying that you prefer previous TenZone, you are exactly explaining the improvement of TenZone Ultra. (1) The feeling of longer dwell time = better ball keeping. (2) Better control. (3) More power and more spin. Those three are what have been demanded for German Tensor rubbers so far. That is very exact summarization!!! The adjustment was done for the range of low~middle impact strength. In that range, strong rebound and high speed isn't needed. Instead, the ability of making strong spin and good "arc" trajectory is more important. That was the weak point of TenZone, and for top players, the modified characteristics of TenZone Ultra will be considered as improvement. However, that doesn't mean that TenZone Ultra will be better than TenZone for all players. Somebody will prefer older TenZone to new TenZone Ultra. If everybody will prefer TenZone Ultra, how come does older TenZone need to exist? From the viewpoint of "technology", TenZone Ultra is apparently better and newer than TenZone. However, new technology isn't for satisfying everybody. The adjustment that has been applied for TenZone Ultra is that for the players who want it. |
Posted By: PXiao
Date Posted: 04/14/2013 at 4:18pm
| Im currently playing with Tenzone and can't wait to try the Ultra! |
Posted By: Pondus
Date Posted: 04/25/2013 at 10:09am
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Better late than never, right? – Here's my review of the Adidas "Top Secret" / Adidas TenZone Ultra Rubber
Initial Stuff Rubber Weight / Uncut: 71.2g Rubber Weight / Cut: 45.6g (157mm x 150mm) Testing Blade: Butterfly Viscaria (ST) Things to keep in mind: I have not played with any Adidas brand rubbers before, so I can’t make comparisons to these. I do have familiarity with several ESN Tensor rubbers, however, so I do have that as a base of reference. Also, I normally play with soft rubbers (Butterfly Tenergy 05-FX – 2.1mm) on both forehand and backhand. Topsheet (Red) Has the matte opaque red color, which seems to be the norm with other recent ESN Tensor rubbers as well (ie Donic Bluefire and Andro Rasant). By comparison, the pimple size and distribution is incredibly similar to that of Andro Rasant. The topsheet seems to be “medium” in terms of elasticity, and have a fair amount of surface grip, similar to that of Donic Bluefire, for example. Sponge Cream colored with what appears to be an identical cell structure of Donic Bluefire and Andro Rasant sponges. It’s a medium firm/hard sponge – comparable to Donic Bluefire M1 and Butterfly Tenergy 05. Speed The speed of this rubber is good. In terms of comparisons, I would put somewhere along the line of Butterfly Tenergy 05, perhaps even a touch faster. Spin Decent spin, but seems perhaps a bit on the underside of Donic Bluefire and Andro Rasant, in my opinion - certainly less spinny than Butterfly Tenergy 05. Throw It has a fairly low throw. Maybe not “Chinese rubber low”, but it certainly produces a substantially lower arch than the likes of Donic Bluefire and Butterfly Tenergy. Conclusion It’s certainly not my “cup of tea” as far as rubbers go, but that was perhaps inevitable, as I prefer softer rubbers. But beyond that, there just doesn’t seem to be much liveliness or feedback happening with this rubber. It’s not a horrible rubber by any means, but just very ‘so-so’ overall. Others have commented about it having a feeling of more of a classic rubber (ie Mark V), which I agree with, and I don’t mean that as a compliment. For a latest generation Tensor, I would certainly have anticipated more “reaction”, more “punch” from this rubber. I really appreciate Yogi/Adidas for including me as a tester
of this rubber, and I would be honored to participate in any future
testing programs. |
Posted By: Rich215
Date Posted: 04/25/2013 at 1:52pm
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Interesting notes there Pondus. I just played at the club last night, 1 match with the Peterpan blade with Palio Maco Era 2.1 black (firmer sponge version not soft one) on FH.... and then the Adidas TOP SECRET rubber max red on the BH side. I used the Adidas TS rubber prior to this on my Spartacus for a few matches. I still find this top secret test rubber to be very slow and dead feeling. There is no normal tensor feel with it to me. It sort of feels like a non tensor soft but dense sponge to me. I love the top sheet though, its very soft and I can get tons of spin on pushes that left opponents dumping them in the net quite often. With this rubber it is easy to leave very short pushes because it is not bouncy or fast and tends to absorb speed and energy of incoming shots making it pretty forgiving. But on the other hand, I had a hard time driving and looping with it. Throw is lower so I overcompensated with more speed and power with shots.....that usually left the ball long or way to high. I had problems with getting backhand loops to arc back down quick enough. The Palio macro era was totally opposite...very bouncy and fast. I have not used this sheet in a long time and find it to be much more bouncy than Rakza and harder to control. So by using these 2 very different rubbers left me scrambling to control my shots during game play. The Adidas rubber did play somewhat slower on the Peterpan than it did on the Spartacus for sure....but still I didn't like this rubber. It just does not feel like a tensor at all to me. I would like to try this top sheet on Rakza reg. sponge though. ------------- |
Posted By: PXiao
Date Posted: 04/25/2013 at 5:03pm
| thats a lot of rubbers to give away! wow |
Posted By: PXiao
Date Posted: 04/25/2013 at 8:22pm
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http://www.mhtabletennis.com/2013/04/adidas-tenzone-ultra-top-secret-revealed.html Came across this great review! |
Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 09/17/2013 at 5:22am
TU has a lot of good qualities. It's one of the easiest rubbers I've used for lifting backspin, and looping from low heights. Spin is really high on harder strokes - noticeably better than Top Secret was. It has some of the dead feel at low speeds of recent tensors like Bluefire JP, but not to the same degree. We tried it on several blades, but I liked it best on the Hypertouch, which has a mild bit of bounciness to it - speeds up the low gear a bit. Still a bit heavy, and I felt it was a bit vague sometimes on my BH side at low-medium impact speeds (I'm not used to harder sponges on that wing though, so probably just me). ------------- This was a great signature until I realised it was overrated. |
Posted By: vvk1
Date Posted: 09/21/2013 at 12:59pm
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A nice video review of TZU by mr ttmediadaily: |
Posted By: pak abu
Date Posted: 02/12/2015 at 4:43am
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Hello guys, Anyone here can give direct comparison between adidas tenzone ultra and rakza 7? Currently using rakza 7 for my forehand and adidas P7 for backhand. Hope someone can give some insights on these two rubbers. Thank you.. ------------- DHS TG 506+ FH: JOOLA Rhyzm (black, max) BH: YASAKA Rakza 7 Soft (red,2.0mm) |