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Topic: Amazing comebacks
Posted By: JimT
Subject: Amazing comebacks
Date Posted: 05/22/2013 at 2:53pm
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I decided to gather some of the greatest comeback videos here. Please do not hesitate to add 1) First one, imho, goes to Ma Lin vs Wang Jian Jun match - final of Chinese National Championships (likely the toughest tournament in the world) of 2006 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6PIWq_ZG4E - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6PIWq_ZG4E If you go to marker 17.10 you will see that WJJ was leading 3-1 and 10-3 (!!! he was playing really good and Ma Lin was seemingly crumbling under pressure; so WJJ has seven set/match/Championship points!). And then... well watch it and you will see what happened that day. What can I say - that certainly has changed WJJ career as well as his life, I bet. 2) Semifinal of ECL 2007. Vladimir Samsonov plays Timo Boll - now go to 4.10 and you will see that Timo leads 2-1 and 10-3 which means he has 7 matchballs. Well, go on, watch it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CM6_yJUFjuQ - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CM6_yJUFjuQ 3) WTTC 2010 Moscow - in their team tie on May 27, 2010 girls from Slovakia play their former countrymates from Czech Republic (quite some pressure there, I imagine). Score is tied at 2-2 and in the last match Viera Marcekova (SVK) plays Katerina Penkavova (CZE) for the win.. they split the first four sets 2-2... and the Czech girl proceeds to whup her opponent in the final 5th game until the score is 10-2 (if I am not mistaken)... so she has eight(!) match/tie points. Slovakian girls on the bench do not even clap their hands to support their teammate anymore... And then something happens. === sorry cannot find that video right now; if you know the link please post it, and I will continue searching for it === ------------- Single Ply Hinoki Club, Founding Member Say "no!" to expensive table tennis equipment. Please... |
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Posted By: zzzuppp
Date Posted: 05/22/2013 at 2:57pm
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I think you have to have Maze-Hao Shuai from the '05 Worlds!
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Posted By: Pondus
Date Posted: 05/22/2013 at 3:15pm
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I think we should also throw Freitas against Pak from this recent WTTC in there. Not quite Maze Vs Hao Shuai, but still a nice comeback from being down 0-3. |
Posted By: Vihito
Date Posted: 05/22/2013 at 3:18pm
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Bojan Tokic - Timo Boll (2-9 to 11-9) (German Cup 2012) Zhag Jike - Patrick Baum (5-10 to 12-10) (WTTC 2013) Bastian Steger - Ryu Seung Min (2-10 to 13-11) (Pro tour grand finals 2010) Wang Liqin - Xu Xin (1-8 to 13-11) (China trials for WTTC 2013) Zhang Jike - Jun Mizutani (0-3 to 4-3 in games) (WC 2010) Ma Lin - Petr Korbel (3-7 to 11-9) (WTTC 2005) |
Posted By: JimT
Date Posted: 05/22/2013 at 8:27pm
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Nice! Thank you guys! How could I forget Michael Maze vs Hao Shuai comeback?? I am really getting senile... Still cannot find that video of women's match Slovakia vs Czech Rep. Will keep on looking but perhaps someone could help... maybe someone from Czech Rep./Slovakia can search for it on local forums? ------------- Single Ply Hinoki Club, Founding Member Say "no!" to expensive table tennis equipment. Please... |
Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 05/23/2013 at 12:40am
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I think we should make the following rules for the comebacks as people are citing too many OK comebacks which are not really "amazing": 1) The loser must have had at least three match points, likely more, and the winner must have been down at least 1 game at that point if it wasn't the deciding set. 2) If it was the deciding set, the winner must have been down at least 6 match points. 3) If the comeback was from 10-0, it doesn't matter what the score was at that point or who won the whole match if the person down 0-10 came back to win that set. I know there was a doubles match where a team came down from 0-10 to win a game during the WTTC 2013. ------------- https://youtu.be/jhO4K_yFhh8?t=115" rel="nofollow - I like putting heavy topspin on the ball... Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
Posted By: cmetsbeltran15
Date Posted: 05/23/2013 at 1:32am
Not sure if there's really a need to make specific rules, but I'd agree that a comeback from 7-3 shouldn't have been listed here
 I'm with you on the not so amazing part. |
NextLevel wrote:Posted By: JimT
Date Posted: 05/23/2013 at 1:26pm
I'd say that to qualify for "amazing" the match should satisfy the following two conditions: 1) high pressure/major competition 2) at least five (5) match points are converted to win the match OR at least eight (8) match points are converted and set won (but match is later lost nevertheless) OR at least eight points difference in score (8-0, 9-1) is eliminated and the set and match are won By these rules WLQ's comeback vs Ma Lin in 2007 WTTC MS final (from being down 1-3 in sets and 1-7 down in the fifth) is, alas, not "amazing" - although it is awesome. ------------- Single Ply Hinoki Club, Founding Member Say "no!" to expensive table tennis equipment. Please... |
Posted By: kenneyy88
Date Posted: 05/23/2013 at 2:29pm
I think you can call those turnarounds instead, or less amazing comebacks. I think there was Guo Yue who beat Li Xiaoxia, in 2007? Don't remember how much Guo Yue was down. |
Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 05/23/2013 at 3:34pm
I know that some turnarounds/comebacks are great, but those that involve the pressure of saving multiple matchpoints in a row are just a different animal altogether and that is where I think Jim T was going. To have all these one-set comebacks posted was getting a bit sad - I am not saying my rules have to be followed, but I just wanted to stop that trend.
Now, back to the topic - doesn anyone have the match that we are all dying to see - Yan An - Zhang Jike where Zhang Jike was 10-4 in the seventh and proceeded to lose?  ------------- https://youtu.be/jhO4K_yFhh8?t=115" rel="nofollow - I like putting heavy topspin on the ball... Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
Posted By: dalamchops
Date Posted: 05/23/2013 at 3:41pm
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Kasumi in the 2011 WTTC is probably one of the best comebacks i've ever seen.
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Posted By: skip3119
Date Posted: 05/23/2013 at 3:46pm
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Posted By: yuter
Date Posted: 05/23/2013 at 5:55pm
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Samsonov - Ma Long in semifinal of World Cup 2009 ( comeback from 5-10 to 14-12 in 5th set) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqQfKTMtAX8 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqQfKTMtAX8
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Posted By: beeray1
Date Posted: 05/24/2013 at 3:55am
| ma lin korbel is worthy because of the circumstance. sure only 3-7, but LGL gets ejected and tournaments were more intense back then. The energy was a lot higher. And it's the 7th game. I think any 7th game comeback is worthy because you really have to dig. |
Posted By: Tinykin
Date Posted: 05/24/2013 at 7:41am
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On another slant, have you guys ever been totally out of a game and given up say at 2:8 down? You then relax and start hitting the ball to get it over and done with. But the shots keep on landing and suddenly you find yourself at 6-8 or 7-9 and back in the game. ------------- Blade: Darker Speed90 Rubber Fh and Bh DHS Hurricane 3, 39/38deg Delusion is an asset |
Posted By: JimT
Date Posted: 05/24/2013 at 9:51am
Where/when was this one played? ------------- Single Ply Hinoki Club, Founding Member Say "no!" to expensive table tennis equipment. Please... |
Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 05/24/2013 at 10:57am
I think the Korean open. There was no ITTF camera on that table. ------------- https://youtu.be/jhO4K_yFhh8?t=115" rel="nofollow - I like putting heavy topspin on the ball... Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
Posted By: kolevtt
Date Posted: 05/24/2013 at 11:04am
The best one is Gatien or Legout ( I don't remember exactly) against Adrian Crisan many years ago. 20:4 for Crisan...20:15 ....(Adrian's coach laughing in front of the cameras)....20:22 ..... |
Posted By: ttping85
Date Posted: 05/24/2013 at 6:58pm
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Posted By: JimT
Date Posted: 08/28/2013 at 4:47pm
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Any more "amazing comebacks", guys? Still cannot find that Slovakia - Czech Rep. women's match... perhaps one of our forummers from those countries knows what I am talking about and could find it for us...? TiBiKe? anyone? ------------- Single Ply Hinoki Club, Founding Member Say "no!" to expensive table tennis equipment. Please... |
Posted By: stiltt
Date Posted: 08/28/2013 at 5:15pm
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This does not satisfy the conditions but I find it the most memorable comeback given the importance of the competition: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=GX_k7f3xGkU&t=434" rel="nofollow - Schlager-Wang Liqin Paris 2003 WTTC The indisputable #1 in the world, reigning World Champion at peak of his form (after the 2001 edition he would win 2005 and 2007 wttc) is leading 3-2 in games and has 4 match points in this wttc 1/4 finals; he let the game slip between his fingers and fell apart in the deciding game. The Austrian man's achievement is even more incredible when confirmed by another win in the 1/2 v. the grand slam winner KLH and the final win v. JSH. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=GX_k7f3xGkU&t=434" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=GX_k7f3xGkU&t=434 All those hundred hours of serve practice paid off that day; and the guts under pressure; and that forearm snap at 7-10 answering wlq's fast fh along the line returning a fast serve from his bh corner...it was all magical. ------------- /forum/topic91512_page1.html#1124698" rel="nofollow - sales - forum_posts.asp?TID=19315" rel="nofollow - feedback |
Posted By: stepheN
Date Posted: 08/28/2013 at 8:43pm
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Wang Xi vs. Shibaev, Champions League 2010, Fulda vs. Ekaterinburg Shibaev led 2:0 in sets (best of 5 sets, teammatch), 10:3. Then the party started: |
Posted By: JimT
Date Posted: 08/28/2013 at 9:25pm
Oh yes, I forgot that one... Thanks! ------------- Single Ply Hinoki Club, Founding Member Say "no!" to expensive table tennis equipment. Please... |
Posted By: stiltt
Date Posted: 08/28/2013 at 9:37pm
that was fun to watch. In that video comments, there is a reference to a magnificent comeback from Ma Lin:
the comment might be wrong in score and date but I was happy that it leaded me to watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=k6PIWq_ZG4E&t=1028" rel="nofollow - this . Per the video title it happens in 2006 and it's the China National Table Tennis Championship Men's Single Final. Ma Lin is down 3-10 and 1-3 in games; he's got to save 7 match points in the 5th game to stay alive in the match; in stepheN's words, may the party begin.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=k6PIWq_ZG4E&t=1028" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=k6PIWq_ZG4E&t=1028 ------------- /forum/topic91512_page1.html#1124698" rel="nofollow - sales - forum_posts.asp?TID=19315" rel="nofollow - feedback |
Posted By: stiltt
Date Posted: 08/28/2013 at 9:49pm
I AM SO DUMB; it's referenced in the OP... (that I watched a long time ago). sorry.------------- /forum/topic91512_page1.html#1124698" rel="nofollow - sales - forum_posts.asp?TID=19315" rel="nofollow - feedback |
Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 08/28/2013 at 10:41pm
This is my all-time favorite for all the reasons fatt mentions. WLQ was at that time or less unbeatable, and Werner Schlager at that time just another guy (with a really good serve). But its a great collection. I wish I could do it. My habit is to catch people from far behind and then still manage to lose the deuce game.  |
Posted By: stiltt
Date Posted: 08/28/2013 at 11:34pm
I notice Schlager in the match above celebrates big time when he cancels the 4th match point out to level at 10-10; I think it is a mistake to do so at my level; obviously not at his. ------------- /forum/topic91512_page1.html#1124698" rel="nofollow - sales - forum_posts.asp?TID=19315" rel="nofollow - feedback |
Posted By: snerdly
Date Posted: 08/28/2013 at 11:50pm
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A guy who won against me regularly told me that he worried most when I was behind nearing the end of a game. If I was leading at the end of a game he felt comfortable. His point was that I would fight hard when behind and relax when ahead. Learn your own psychology.
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Posted By: GeneralSpecific
Date Posted: 08/29/2013 at 12:15am
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Posted By: JimT
Date Posted: 08/29/2013 at 11:05am
Psychology is very important there. I have a clubmate who plays with vicious LPs on his BH (he plays Japanese penhold... no kidding!) but he is not using them often. However, when he falls far behind... like 1-5 or 3-8 etc, he will start use them more and more, sometimes all the time, twiddling the racket etc. Noticing that, I started doing the following - when I lead him 2-3 points I start playing a bit less carefully, going for crazy shots etc, allowing him to always be within 1-2 points from me. This way he plays with inverted practically all the time which makes it much easier for me to pull out a win. I wonder if he ever realized that... ------------- Single Ply Hinoki Club, Founding Member Say "no!" to expensive table tennis equipment. Please... |
Posted By: in2spin
Date Posted: 08/29/2013 at 4:12pm
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'facing death' situation..... liu guozheng faced 7 match points against him vs kim taek soo in the 2001 teams :)
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Posted By: obesechopper
Date Posted: 02/02/2014 at 6:47pm
| Does anyone recall a video with a defender I believe, maybe Joo, around 2007 or so... Where the score was perhaps 10-4 or somewhere thereabouts and the guy ended up losing? I can't remember any of the players! I'm thinking it was chinese vs korean though... Wang Liqin? |
Posted By: jrscatman
Date Posted: 02/03/2014 at 1:51am
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Are amazing comebacks the same as biggest "chokes"? ------------- Butterfly MPS FH: Donic Acuda S1 BH: Palio CK531A OX |
Posted By: Fidelio
Date Posted: 02/04/2014 at 2:39am
:D Some are, some aren't. For instance, Hao Shuai's loss to Michael Maze in the 2005 worlds could perhaps be described as a choke. On the other hand, Samsonov's comeback in the 5th game of the 2009 world cup was mentioned as an amazing comeback, and I think it fits that description. If you watch that game, you will see that Samsonov had to play many very good points successively, including two or three absolutely incredible ones, to win that game. Wang Jianjun's loss to Ma Lin involved a lot of choking, but also a huge stroke of luck for ML, as one of his balls hit the edge of the table while he was LOBBING. So, even with all of WJJ's choking, he still would have won the match if it weren't for Ma Lin's crazy luck. Maybe that's why comebacks from 7 or 8 match points down are so rare - even if you are choking like crazy, you can usually squeeze out at least one point in that stretch. |
Posted By: dabookerman
Date Posted: 02/04/2014 at 11:17am
I believe that it was Ma Long. ------------- Photino FL Yasaka Rising Dragon Short Pips |