Posted By: MrThePortal
Date Posted: 10/13/2013 at 7:20am
1/2 FINAL
Samsonov Vs Gionis
Posted By: MrThePortal
Date Posted: 10/13/2013 at 11:43am
FINAL
Posted By: blahness
Date Posted: 10/13/2013 at 11:53am
Unbelievable performance from Ovtcharov, he has proven himself to be the new European no.1 indeed! Such a powerful game, now his FH is as deadly as his BH. Still needs to work on those pesky short returns though, still a bit sloppy in that area.
Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 10/13/2013 at 12:09pm
blahness wrote:
Unbelievable performance from Ovtcharov, he has proven himself to be the new European no.1 indeed! Such a powerful game, now his FH is as deadly as his BH. Still needs to work on those pesky short returns though, still a bit sloppy in that area.
Boll is still European #1.
That said, I fully agree with you on how much more physical Ovtcharov's game has become. I thought at some point that Samsonov would complain that his racket was broken and needed to be changed.
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Posted By: skip3119
Date Posted: 10/13/2013 at 1:30pm
Ovtcharov is far more active than Boll lately. Besides, Boll may have passed his prime.
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Now Ovtcharov has no problem to beat Samsonov. In a different event, months earlier, Ovtcharov beat Eugene Wang quite easily.
If anyone can give Chinese players problems, Ovtcharov will be the one.
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Posted By: janus700
Date Posted: 10/13/2013 at 3:08pm
# MS-SEMIS:
(ms-sf) SAMSONOV Vladimir - GIONIS Panagiotis [Full match/no commentary]
Posted By: janus700
Date Posted: 10/13/2013 at 3:10pm
# FINAL:
(ms-f) OVTCHAROV Dimitrij - SAMSONOV Vladimir [Full match/english commentary]
Posted By: slevin
Date Posted: 10/13/2013 at 4:16pm
skip3119 wrote:
If anyone can give Chinese players problems, Ovtcharov will be the one.
I wish.
His main problem is his short game - it is too loose to continuously prevail against the CNT players. His BH push on the FH side is abysmal at his level of play - don't know why his coaches don't try amend it (probably because he commits to the BH sidespin flick too early).
In a discussion on another TT forum, Schlager opined that DO's receiving with his BH on the FH side was due to his liability in receiving serves using his FH - don't know how much truth there was in his opinion.
If he can fix his short game & his mental strength issues, he can truly amass some wins against the Chinese.
Posted By: skip3119
Date Posted: 10/14/2013 at 3:50pm
Ovtcharov (Dima) is on a roll of late. In different events, Dima beat Eugene Wang and Samsonov easily.
Well, the coming up "Men's World Cup", Dima is in that one.
So, are Jike Zhang, Xu Xin and Timo Boll.
Can he beat Jike Zhang, Xu Xin or Timo Boll?
Dima had a poor record against those players, but Dima has improved a lot lately.
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Posted By: blahness
Date Posted: 10/14/2013 at 10:18pm
slevin wrote:
skip3119 wrote:
If anyone can give Chinese players problems, Ovtcharov will be the one.
I wish.
His main problem is his short game - it is too loose to continuously prevail against the CNT players. His BH push on the FH side is abysmal at his level of play - don't know why his coaches don't try amend it (probably because he commits to the BH sidespin flick too early).
In a discussion on another TT forum, Schlager opined that DO's receiving with his BH on the FH side was due to his liability in receiving serves using his FH - don't know how much truth there was in his opinion.
If he can fix his short game & his mental strength issues, he can truly amass some wins against the Chinese.
His BH over-the-table loop is deadly though, he can always replace the FH push with this if he is fast enough (which he is!), similar to ZJK style of play.
But the sloppy slow and long BH push is definitely a liability to him.
Posted By: benfb
Date Posted: 10/15/2013 at 3:15am
Samsonov looked flat the whole tournament, in both team and individual events. He would play really well for a game or two and then just struggle. I realize he's past his peak, but I also think he just wasn't sharp, whether it was physical or focus I couldn't say.
Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 10/15/2013 at 6:32am
benfb wrote:
Samsonov looked flat the whole tournament, in both team and individual events. He would play really well for a game or two and then just struggle. I realize he's past his peak, but I also think he just wasn't sharp, whether it was physical or focus I couldn't say.
Clearly age - at 37, it's hard to play two matches in peak condition in one day. That's why he was so on and off. He tended to play the first match relatively well, but against the very best players in the tournament, two in one day or even three was tough. It's been going on for at least 2 years now.
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Posted By: ejmaster
Date Posted: 10/15/2013 at 11:59am
Mental strength is the joker issue here. At that level everyplayer is mental strong enough. DO is progressing well but he still is not so good in his dynamics as the top cnt players. On the other side he is a tricky player with predetermined service game. His bh is very good compensating some lack of footwork power.
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Posted By: benfb
Date Posted: 10/15/2013 at 12:47pm
NextLevel wrote:
benfb wrote:
Samsonov looked flat the whole tournament, in both team and individual events. He would play really well for a game or two and then just struggle. I realize he's past his peak, but I also think he just wasn't sharp, whether it was physical or focus I couldn't say.
Clearly age - at 37, it's hard to play two matches in peak condition in one day. That's why he was so on and off. He tended to play the first match relatively well, but against the very best players in the tournament, two in one day or even three was tough. It's been going on for at least 2 years now.
He should take lessons from Persson, who is quite a bit older and yet stays in great physical shape.
Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 10/15/2013 at 12:56pm
benfb wrote:
NextLevel wrote:
benfb wrote:
Samsonov looked flat the whole tournament, in both team and individual events. He would play really well for a game or two and then just struggle. I realize he's past his peak, but I also think he just wasn't sharp, whether it was physical or focus I couldn't say.
Clearly age - at 37, it's hard to play two matches in peak condition in one day. That's why he was so on and off. He tended to play the first match relatively well, but against the very best players in the tournament, two in one day or even three was tough. It's been going on for at least 2 years now.
He should take lessons from Persson, who is quite a bit older and yet stays in great physical shape.
I think the issues are relative, not absolute.
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Posted By: stiltt
Date Posted: 10/15/2013 at 1:27pm
They are absolutely relative to the variable balance between perception and reality, indeed; just like the fh looping technique involved in the scholar emoticon's page turning skills above, with follow through and all!
Posted By: janus700
Date Posted: 10/16/2013 at 5:14am
# (Ws-Final) LI Fen - Xiaona SHAN [Full Match/HQ]
Posted By: janus700
Date Posted: 10/16/2013 at 5:15am
Alexander Shibaev - Bastian Steger http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbgZ4wvAPaM" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbgZ4wvAPaM
Alexey Liventsov - Stefan Fegerl http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4tRIQYSdv0" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4tRIQYSdv0
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Posted By: benfb
Date Posted: 10/20/2013 at 9:45pm
JimT wrote:
Three more videos from Alex Lomaev (he was - understandably - videotaping mostly Russian players)
Awesome videos. Is this the same guy that did those terrific Russia Champions League videos?
Posted By: JimT
Date Posted: 10/21/2013 at 10:21am
benfb wrote:
JimT wrote:
Three more videos from Alex Lomaev (he was - understandably - videotaping mostly Russian players)
Awesome videos. Is this the same guy that did those terrific Russia Champions League videos?
No, that was user LehaFes (see his YouTube channel). Alex Lomaev is a PR/media officer of FNTR (Russian Table Tennis Federation)... hope I got his title right. He is also an avid photo/video journalist and goes (when he can) to all major European tournaments where Russian players are involved.
You can actually see him in many videos from ETTC 2013 videotaping or taking pictures...
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