tried to make serve faster but less spin now
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Topic: tried to make serve faster but less spin now
Posted By: boaspirit
Subject: tried to make serve faster but less spin now
Date Posted: 10/18/2013 at 1:51am
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so recently i tried to make my serve faster but now it resulted in less spin and people can return it alot more my best serve pure back spin gets return more often then i would like, my pendulum gets return the most, though the backspin version gets return less but still its now possible for weak players to return my serve that they were not able to before. some people i play say that there are less spin in my serve now some say they are predictable. how can i make my serve both fast and really spiny i know this is possible because one of my friends serve are fast but they have so much spin the ball disappear. he does this alot with the pendulum serve the ball goes into my backhand and then kicks and disappear. and there is soo much spin that it makes me miss judge the distance. i would like to acquired something like that. PLEASE HELP! im currenntly using bomb 729 FH donic Accuda s1 turbo, BH vega Euro, if that helps ------------- butterfly Timo Boll spirit FH TG3NEO BH vega Pro |
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Posted By: boaspirit
Date Posted: 10/18/2013 at 10:02am
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someone ? any one? ------------- butterfly Timo Boll spirit FH TG3NEO BH vega Pro |
Posted By: jrscatman
Date Posted: 10/18/2013 at 11:45am
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Does this help from Pingskills? ------------- Butterfly MPS FH: Donic Acuda S1 BH: Palio CK531A OX |
Posted By: wturber
Date Posted: 10/18/2013 at 7:08pm
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I would add that you should hit the ball as low in its drop from the toss as possible and to try to get topspin on the ball. I always try to hit the ball below net height. That means I have to use the power I'm putting into the ball to get the ball over the net height. I think this gives me a bit more room to hit harder. The topspin "holds" the ball closer to the table allowing for a higher speed shot. The best example of both of these principles being applied is the video of the kid who hit that super fast revers-tomahawk serve. I think it went the rounds last year. http://youtu.be/gfDVXPrLVkg" rel="nofollow - ------------- Jay Turberville www.jayandwanda.com Hardbat: Nittaku Resist w/ Dr. Evil or Friendship 802-40 OX |
Posted By: pingpongpaddy
Date Posted: 10/18/2013 at 7:53pm
Hi boaspirit Its worth remembering that, putting topspin on a fast long serve can actually make it easier for your opponent to attack. In fact its a nice ball. Mostly in tournament play the fast long serve is a 'knuckle serve' hit with the racket slightly open so that the ball skids with slight backspin. you dont chop at the ball, you just give it a flat slap slightly below centre. If you are good at changing direction this can make it quite difficult for the looper to open strongly. This kind of serve is quite simple, as that excellent Ping-skills vid shows. Alois is doing it with slight topspin - if he hit slightly below centre it would be the knuckle version. You should practice doing it both down the line and diagonally, remembering that down the line is more difficult because there is only 9 feet of table to aim at. Though the serve is simple, to do it well requires a high level of skill and many practice hours. If you do this kind of serve often you should be able to do a soft short one from same start position as a surprise option. good luck ------------- inactive dotec carbokev yin he galaxy 1 p ly FH moristo sp AX MAX bh moristo sp ax max |
boaspirit wrote:Posted By: wturber
Date Posted: 10/18/2013 at 8:12pm
I'd add that another key is changing the spin. Serve fast with topspin. But later serve fast with minimal spin. Forcing your opponent to rapidly make a decision about spin because the serve is fast can help generate an error from your opponent. Now, see if you can serve short and dead with the same service motion right up until contact. If you can, you can really get your opponent out of rhythm. ------------- Jay Turberville www.jayandwanda.com Hardbat: Nittaku Resist w/ Dr. Evil or Friendship 802-40 OX |
Posted By: jt99sf
Date Posted: 10/18/2013 at 8:42pm
Dang !! that's fast !!  -------------  Photino/Super Viscaria : H3 (FH)/Dr N pips(BH)林德成 HardBat:Hock 3-Ply /Dr Evil |
Posted By: boaspirit
Date Posted: 10/18/2013 at 10:13pm
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yes but is there any way to serve fast and spinny what i mean is not the long and fast serve i know that makes it easier for the opponent to attack( my serve use to be slow but spinny) im trying to increase the speed of it that's all. i still want to keep it short i just want the serve to be faster in other words a half long serve that just barely falls off the table on the second bounce( sorry if my question wasn't clear) and also is there anyway to create the disappearing effect when serving? ------------- butterfly Timo Boll spirit FH TG3NEO BH vega Pro |
Posted By: tt4me
Date Posted: 10/18/2013 at 10:32pm
You can't hide the ball and you don't have a Klingon cloaking device. I have never seen a disappearing effect. I have seen the ball change pace and/or direction. ------------- Samsonov Alpha+H3 Neo+802 1.5mm, the Ball Whacker is revived!<br />Samsonov Alpha+H3 Neo+802-40 1.8mm my back up<br />BCX5+H3+802-1 1.8mm New but promising.<br /> |
Posted By: wturber
Date Posted: 10/18/2013 at 10:51pm
Usually "fast" refers to the ball's velocity. We've given you info on doing that, but apparently you have a different definition of "fast." A half-long serve will be slower than the fast serves that we have described. It simply has to travel more slowly in order to almost bounce twice on the receiver's side. So what do you mean by "fast?" ------------- Jay Turberville www.jayandwanda.com Hardbat: Nittaku Resist w/ Dr. Evil or Friendship 802-40 OX |
Posted By: pingpongpaddy
Date Posted: 10/18/2013 at 11:37pm
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I know what makes the ball disappear. I just need to have an opponent who doesn't watch the ball properly  ------------- inactive dotec carbokev yin he galaxy 1 p ly FH moristo sp AX MAX bh moristo sp ax max |
Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 10/19/2013 at 1:35am
It's mostly some combination of low serve trajectory and sidespin. Low serve trajectory means that the ball should stay low as possible, which means you can't make the serve too short unless you have ridiculous practice skills to make the first bounce close your endline while guaranteeing that the ball will go over the net. Sidespin (corkscrew components) in practice allows the ball to go through the table faster than pure topspin or underspin. It's a longer trajectory, but it is safer, and the ball gets to bounce twice pretty quickly. ------------- https://youtu.be/jhO4K_yFhh8?t=115" rel="nofollow - I like putting heavy topspin on the ball... Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
Posted By: boaspirit
Date Posted: 10/19/2013 at 2:04pm
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It's mostly some combination of low serve trajectory and sidespin.
Low serve trajectory means that the ball should stay low as possible,
which means you can't make the serve too short unless you have
ridiculous practice skills to make the first bounce close your endline
while guaranteeing that the ball will go over the net. Sidespin
(corkscrew components) in practice allows the ball to go through the
table faster than pure topspin or underspin. It's a longer trajectory,
but it is safer, and the ball gets to bounce twice pretty quickly. [/QUOTE]
i think this is it he contact the ball basically on his endline and when it hit my side( very close to my endline almost touching it) it goes into my non playing elbow and poof i cant see it no more. ( he told me today that he was using more topspin than side spin to make the ball kick thats why the ball jumps and then i cant track it no more) ------------- butterfly Timo Boll spirit FH TG3NEO BH vega Pro |
Posted By: boaspirit
Date Posted: 10/19/2013 at 2:08pm
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sorry what i meant is both fast and spiny serve which means not just velocity but spinny too which would make it harder for opponent to topsin it back. ------------- butterfly Timo Boll spirit FH TG3NEO BH vega Pro |
Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 10/19/2013 at 2:16pm
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Boaspirit, What is your playing level? As I have improved, I have realized that what I thought was happening isn't what I realized was happening when I got better. Good serves require practice, and a better player will make the ball spin more, but you don't serve with more speed without losing spin, unless your overall technique and wrist speed is just much better (practice). ------------- https://youtu.be/jhO4K_yFhh8?t=115" rel="nofollow - I like putting heavy topspin on the ball... Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
Posted By: tt4me
Date Posted: 10/19/2013 at 2:22pm
This doesn't make sense.
Yes, it is top spin that allows one to serve faster as in the 'fastest serve ever' video. The Magnus effect adds to gravity so the ball will bounce up over the net and drop in less time so the ball will still hit the table. ------------- Samsonov Alpha+H3 Neo+802 1.5mm, the Ball Whacker is revived!<br />Samsonov Alpha+H3 Neo+802-40 1.8mm my back up<br />BCX5+H3+802-1 1.8mm New but promising.<br /> |
Posted By: smackman
Date Posted: 10/19/2013 at 3:56pm
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Posted By: boaspirit
Date Posted: 10/19/2013 at 8:06pm
 ------------- butterfly Timo Boll spirit FH TG3NEO BH vega Pro |
Posted By: boaspirit
Date Posted: 10/19/2013 at 8:19pm
thats a nice quote thank you for the advice i will try everything out ------------- butterfly Timo Boll spirit FH TG3NEO BH vega Pro |
Posted By: blahness
Date Posted: 10/19/2013 at 8:42pm
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that's weird, I get way more spin out of my fast long serves, fast serves normally mean you can apply more power to brushing the ball, just use the same sort of motion, except aim the first bounce towards the end line of your own side (instead of to the middle). If we're talking about short serves, you need to aim the first bounce more towards the middle of your own table (midpoint between the net and the endline on your side). The short serve has two types, one soft and slow where the ball floats towards that point, and one faster short serve where the ball is hit faster towards that point. But at our levels we don't need to worry about that. Just worry about getting good spin and good control over your placement (of the 1st bounce) and you'll be set. ------------- ------- Viscaria FH: Hurricane 8-80 BH: D05 Back to normal shape bats :( |
Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 10/19/2013 at 9:05pm
Practical serving often involves deception. Topspin from serving the ball directly at an opponent by covering the ball is heavy but obvious and can only rely on being so heavy that the opponent doesn't compensate. Therefore, most topspin in practical serving is generated by brushing up on the ball, which floats the ball upwards and gives it a longer flight path. As a contrast, sidespin (the corkscrew component) gives the ball a longer flight path, but allows it to be spun heavily and quickly and because the ball is not lifted as much, the trajectory is lower, so if you do a deceptive topspin motion alongside a deceptive sidespin motion, the sidespin motion tends to have a quicker bounce and double bounce. ------------- https://youtu.be/jhO4K_yFhh8?t=115" rel="nofollow - I like putting heavy topspin on the ball... Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |