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Topic: warning about known scammers
Posted By: Baal
Subject: warning about known scammers
Date Posted: 08/03/2014 at 5:16pm
This is the list of verified MyYY For Sale thread scammers since 2014.  I will keep this list updated.  I usually ban members permanently when their scamming is verified.  So this list is not necessarily going to help you, since people end up on this list after the fact.  I also need to keep lines of communications open and so cannot ban people immediately in every instance.  However, I was asked to compile this list and keep it as the first entry on the thread, so here it is.  Note that some people have used multiple identities (and have appeared as commenters on this thread, which takes chutzpah).  If you plan to buy or sell here, I do recommend reading through this thread.  It is quite illuminating. Please, be careful!  If you are not sure, check the feedback section.  Be careful with new members and be careful with Paypal.  Note too, about 99% of transactions here go without any problems.

Chanyboi aka Silver Fox

Sadistic Clown aka Buys&Sells Blades aka Loopy Looper aka EJoslin aka Makira aka NoRema

Gemaxed

Shay2be

Bacardi aka Pokjess

Chrisger

Hamilton2016

Andrei2412

Pongster94 aka Jkpro05 aka Pingpongplaya

Jjf26220 aka Halse Jaso aka Joe Finch

Mr. Gogool

Perssonblade

Finspin

JoeWilmar aka Johankrox aka Actheroes

riky

worldsports11.com and tabletennispro11.com (the guy promoting these sites keeps creating new identities)






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Posted By: viva
Date Posted: 08/03/2014 at 6:15pm
thanks, I was thinking of buying something from Buys&SellsBlades


Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 08/03/2014 at 8:40pm
I hope all members will be careful with how they use paypal. 


Posted By: Antuan
Date Posted: 08/04/2014 at 5:43am
Woow! i paid via gift paypal 150$ yesterday for a Butterfly blade. Hope i´m not scammed...
Confused


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Posted By: chroot
Date Posted: 08/04/2014 at 6:31am
I paid $110 via Paypal gift for a Nittaku blade on 08/01. He did say he's gonna ship it the same day. Hope he didn't lie.


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Posted By: BigBH
Date Posted: 08/04/2014 at 7:10am
4.5% is so little on the figures you are quoting as payments, you are saving $7 to lose $150 


Posted By: Antuan
Date Posted: 08/04/2014 at 8:03am
Originally posted by BigBH BigBH wrote:

4.5% is so little on the figures you are quoting as payments, you are saving $7 to lose $150 
Yes, you are 100% right Cry


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Posted By: andrei2412
Date Posted: 08/04/2014 at 5:29pm
Gift payment should be banned by pay pal. Never use this option otherwise you can't get your money back. 

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Posted By: Mdman
Date Posted: 08/04/2014 at 7:09pm
I paid this guy $125 as gift payment 10 days ago for a blade and he's been telling me every day that he mailed it the same day but I know now that the blade will never come, I hope he is gonna return my money soon .


Posted By: buy&sellblades
Date Posted: 08/04/2014 at 8:21pm
Yes, i am working on getting everyone their money back. a little patience would be appreciated and i'm truly sorry to each of you that i've wronged. a couple of you will actually be getting your products though because they are things that i really did have. mdman, you're next to recieve your money back btw.

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Posted By: EJoslin
Date Posted: 08/04/2014 at 8:27pm
I think people need to look at the feedback section more before making a purchase. Anyone can be a scumbag and if they aren't known for being honest we shouldn't trust them.

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Posted By: Mdman
Date Posted: 08/04/2014 at 8:44pm
Originally posted by buy&sellblades buy&sellblades wrote:

Yes, i am working on getting everyone their money back. a little patience would be appreciated and i'm truly sorry to each of you that i've wronged. a couple of you will actually be getting your products though because they are things that i really did have. mdman, you're next to recieve your money back btw.

You are doing the right thing to return my money, I hope you refund my money soon.
Thank you


Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 08/04/2014 at 10:14pm
Be aware that EJoslin is the same person as Buy&sellblades and SadistiClown, and this person's behavior is unfathomable and obsessive (since this person commented in this thread !!!).  On websites like this, banned members can come back like zombies and this can be hard to police.  Cameron, I really think you need help.  I think you can enjoy table tennis without being on a table tennis forum.  It would really be best for you. 

I would strongly recommend that people not use the paypal gift option, and also I would suggest that it is not reasonable for sellers here to demand it.

The vast majority of transactions here go off smoothly, and when they don't, members usually handle things themselves in a fair manner and it never comes to the attention of a moderator.  Once in a while we have to intervene. 

Read the rules, and be careful!  We have discussed having a rule against allowing sellers to demand the gift option of Paypal.  For now we have decided to allow buyers and sellers to make whatever arrangements they wish.  But I would personally never agree to it and I don't see why you should either.


Posted By: Antuan
Date Posted: 08/05/2014 at 12:54pm
Hey friends, this guy is telling me that he has refunded the money everyone. Is that true?
And he says that i´m lucky because Paypal doesn´t warrant a refund of a gifted payment. I´m still waiting for my money. His obligation is to refund my money even if i paid like a gift. What´s the difference? 


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Posted By: chroot
Date Posted: 08/05/2014 at 1:58pm
No, he hasn't refunded me yet. 

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Posted By: Antuan
Date Posted: 08/05/2014 at 2:02pm
Originally posted by chroot chroot wrote:

No, he hasn't refunded me yet. 

I asked my bank to refund my paypal receipt, and i have got my money back. I see in my paypal account that this guy has not refunded it. Buy i finally got my money thanks to my bank.

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Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 08/05/2014 at 3:41pm
Perhaps those of you needing refunds could keep me updated here.


Posted By: Mdman
Date Posted: 08/05/2014 at 5:07pm
I don't have my refund yet ! I really hope he l can get it today.


Posted By: bns7117
Date Posted: 08/05/2014 at 7:02pm
Nope, not going to happen, he is just buying time.


Posted By: akoozab
Date Posted: 08/06/2014 at 2:18am
thanks was thinking of buying something from him


Posted By: vishal_dindoyal
Date Posted: 08/06/2014 at 5:00am
Same here still waiting for refund. 


Posted By: tuco
Date Posted: 08/06/2014 at 6:22am
Originally posted by Baal Baal wrote:


I would strongly recommend that people not use the paypal gift option, and also I would suggest that it is not reasonable for sellers here to demand it.

Paypal fee is 2.9% plus $.30.  That means for a $100 sale the fee is $3.20.  What kind of seller would not absorb $3.20 on a $100 sale???




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Posted By: kakapo
Date Posted: 08/06/2014 at 6:23am
Originally posted by Antuan Antuan wrote:

Originally posted by chroot chroot wrote:

No, he hasn't refunded me yet. 

I asked my bank to refund my paypal receipt, and i have got my money back. I see in my paypal account that this guy has not refunded it. Buy i finally got my money thanks to my bank.

You are lucky, in Belgium that would have been impossible. If paid as gift and not received, then it is lost.


Posted By: BigBH
Date Posted: 08/06/2014 at 7:13am
Originally posted by tuco tuco wrote:

Originally posted by Baal Baal wrote:


I would strongly recommend that people not use the paypal gift option, and also I would suggest that it is not reasonable for sellers here to demand it.

Paypal fee is 2.9% plus $.30.  That means for a $100 sale the fee is $3.20.  What kind of seller would not absorb $3.20 on a $100 sale???



same thing to minimise your risk why not pay the $3.20


Posted By: Antuan
Date Posted: 08/06/2014 at 8:53am
Originally posted by kakapo kakapo wrote:

Originally posted by Antuan Antuan wrote:

Originally posted by chroot chroot wrote:

No, he hasn't refunded me yet. 

I asked my bank to refund my paypal receipt, and i have got my money back. I see in my paypal account that this guy has not refunded it. Buy i finally got my money thanks to my bank.


You are lucky, in Belgium that would have been impossible. If paid as gift and not received, then it is lost.

Yes, but can't you deny the payment from your Bank? I have returned my paypal receipt.

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Posted By: kakapo
Date Posted: 08/06/2014 at 11:50am
My paypal is linked with my credit card, once the payment is marked as completed, the money is gone and you can't do anything about it if it has been sent as gift. 


Posted By: Antuan
Date Posted: 08/06/2014 at 12:04pm
Originally posted by kakapo kakapo wrote:

My paypal is linked with my credit card, once the payment is marked as completed, the money is gone and you can't do anything about it if it has been sent as gift. 

Ahhh my paypal is linked with my bank account.....

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Posted By: slevin
Date Posted: 08/06/2014 at 1:29pm
Originally posted by Antuan Antuan wrote:

 
Ahhh my paypal is linked with my bank account.....

Granted I don't know the nitty gritty details, but to me, that seems to be the scariest scenario of all...


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Posted By: the_theologian
Date Posted: 08/06/2014 at 1:52pm
Originally posted by slevin slevin wrote:

Originally posted by Antuan Antuan wrote:

 
Ahhh my paypal is linked with my bank account.....


Granted I don't know the nitty gritty details, but to me, that seems to be the scariest scenario of all...


My PayPal is linked to both my bank account and my credit card. Has been for years actually.

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Posted By: Mdman
Date Posted: 08/06/2014 at 2:28pm
He just refunded my money and emailed me saying that he will refund everyone's money. He is asking everyone to email him at [email protected]
Thank you


Posted By: chroot
Date Posted: 08/06/2014 at 2:46pm
I am still waiting...

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Posted By: angelleye
Date Posted: 08/06/2014 at 11:41pm
If the payment was funded using your credit card you can call your credit card company and file a dispute there instead of disputing through PayPal.


Posted By: bns7117
Date Posted: 08/07/2014 at 11:47pm
I got my refund back from buy&sell as he promised, he followed through with his words. You did the right thing, buy&sell, i am glad that you chose the right path to follow.


Posted By: tuco
Date Posted: 08/08/2014 at 12:39am
Originally posted by angelleye angelleye wrote:

If the payment was funded using your credit card you can call your credit card company and file a dispute there instead of disputing through PayPal.

You can certainly try.  Most credit card companies allow you to dispute your transactions up to 90 days (as opposed to 45 days by Paypal).

the problem is when you sent money, you are admitting you are sending him money as a gift rather than goods purchased.  If you have saved the PMs or emails you have communicated with him, that may help.


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Posted By: angelleye
Date Posted: 08/08/2014 at 12:44am
Originally posted by tuco tuco wrote:

You can certainly try.  Most credit card companies allow you to dispute your transactions up to 90 days (as opposed to 45 days by Paypal).

the problem is when you sent money, you are admitting you are sending him money as a gift rather than goods purchased.  If you have saved the PMs or emails you have communicated with him, that may help.

Actually, I've seen people submit chargebacks over a year after their purchase and still get their money back.  Unfortunately, it's common to see fraud with that sort of thing, too, but when used morally it's a handy thing to know about.  

CC companies want to protect their consumers.  When the chargeback is submitted you can specify that you never received the item, and unless the seller can provide tracking information that proves the item was delivered then you'll get your money back.

Marking it as a gift on PayPal is just a PayPal thing.  PayPal could potentially try to argue on behalf of the seller that the payer marked it as a gift, but just take a quick look at paypalsucks.com and you'll find plenty of stories about sellers who are pissed off because PayPal couldn't help them in such a scenario.


Posted By: chroot
Date Posted: 08/08/2014 at 2:32am
I also got my refund back from Buys&sellsblades.

Thank everyone who helped resolve this issue.


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Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 08/08/2014 at 10:19am
Many thanks to Theologian.  Hopefully this is the end of this particular episode.


Posted By: chroot
Date Posted: 08/08/2014 at 11:01am
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Posted By: the_theologian
Date Posted: 08/08/2014 at 3:50pm
Originally posted by bns7117 bns7117 wrote:

I got my refund back from buy&sell as he promised, he followed through with his words. You did the right thing, buy&sell, i am glad that you chose the right path to follow.

Originally posted by chroot chroot wrote:

I also got my refund back from Buys&sellsblades. 

Thank everyone who helped resolve this issue. 

Cameron (buy&sellblades) has followed through with refunding everyone. His account was frozen before being able to refund bns7117 and chroot so I allowed him to give me cash and I refunded them on his behalf through my paypal account.

I do hope that no one will be tempted to scam Cameron in some way. Let's simply forgive and move on.

If you had any paypal interaction with Cameron, please check your paypal account to ensure you were only refunded the appropriate amount. A midst his rush to refund people and various paypal disputes, things got pretty convoluted.



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Posted By: limjo
Date Posted: 08/08/2014 at 9:50pm
I will update and post here when I actually receive the blade or receive a refund from Cameron (Buy&SellBlades).

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Posted By: the_theologian
Date Posted: 08/08/2014 at 10:41pm
Limjo,

I'll look into this

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Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 08/11/2014 at 3:39pm
Along with others.


Posted By: limjo
Date Posted: 08/13/2014 at 12:58pm
Hi guys, just want to let you know that Cameron (buy&sellblades) has refunded my money this morning at 9:24 AM sent by his girlfriend as his account is locked by Paypal due to complaints against him. This serves as a lesson to all not to rush/throw our guards down on enticing/sweet deals if the other party does not have enough feedback and refrain from using Paypal as Gift as payment. Once again my great appreciation and thanks to "the Theologian" on this assistance in getting the refund.

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Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 08/13/2014 at 2:04pm
Theologian is the one who is responsible for getting everyone their refunds.  Thanks again!

Based on what we know, this affair my finally be finished.


Posted By: vishal_dindoyal
Date Posted: 08/13/2014 at 2:31pm
I still haven't received anything...


Posted By: the_theologian
Date Posted: 08/13/2014 at 2:33pm
Originally posted by vishal_dindoyal vishal_dindoyal wrote:

I still haven't received anything...


Haven't forgot about you. Still working on it.

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Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 08/13/2014 at 4:40pm
I spoke too soon.


Posted By: Antuan
Date Posted: 08/13/2014 at 6:33pm
How is the_theologian getting the money for everyone?

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Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 08/14/2014 at 12:53pm
At this point Cameron has been banned from Paypal, banned from here, and so it is difficult logistically.  Theologian knows him, and is acting as a conduit so that people can get paid, and he is keeping the pressure on Cameron to pay up. 


Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 08/17/2014 at 10:42pm
People need to be very careful making deals with people who have no history on this forum.  Seriously.


Posted By: Antuan
Date Posted: 08/24/2014 at 4:18am
I have not received the money from this guy too. I returned the receipt from my bank but my balance in paypal is negative.
I will send an email to this guy..


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Posted By: the_theologian
Date Posted: 08/24/2014 at 5:00am
Originally posted by Antuan Antuan wrote:

I have not received the money from this guy too. I returned the receipt from my bank but my balance in paypal is negative.
I will send an email to this guy..

If your bank already refunded the money, doesn't that cover it?

Originally posted by Antuan Antuan wrote:

Originally posted by chroot chroot wrote:

No, he hasn't refunded me yet. 
 
I asked my bank to refund my paypal receipt, and i have got my money back. I see in my paypal account that this guy has not refunded it. Buy i finally got my money thanks to my bank.


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Posted By: Antuan
Date Posted: 08/24/2014 at 5:29pm
Originally posted by the_theologian the_theologian wrote:

Originally posted by Antuan Antuan wrote:

I have not received the money from this guy too. I returned the receipt from my bank but my balance in paypal is negative.
I will send an email to this guy..


If your bank already refunded the money, doesn't that cover it?

Originally posted by Antuan Antuan wrote:

Originally posted by chroot chroot wrote:

No, he hasn't refunded me yet. 
 
I asked my bank to refund my paypal receipt, and i have got my money back. I see in my paypal account that this guy has not refunded it. Buy i finally got my money thanks to my bank.

My bank returned the receipt to Paypal, but Paypal has charged to me that money, so i have -150$ in my paypal account. This guy must refund my 150$.

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Posted By: the_theologian
Date Posted: 08/24/2014 at 7:52pm
Originally posted by Antuan Antuan wrote:


My bank returned the receipt to Paypal, but Paypal has charged to me that money, so i have -150$ in my paypal account. This guy must refund my 150$.

Perhaps I am still misunderstanding. The bank refunded your money, presumably to your bank account instead of to your paypal account. So essentially, your bank account went +150 while your paypal went -150. 




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Posted By: Antuan
Date Posted: 08/25/2014 at 5:59am
Originally posted by the_theologian the_theologian wrote:

Originally posted by Antuan Antuan wrote:


My bank returned the receipt to Paypal, but Paypal has charged to me that money, so i have -150$ in my paypal account. This guy must refund my 150$.


Perhaps I am still misunderstanding. The bank refunded your money, presumably to your bank account instead of to your paypal account. So essentially, your bank account went +150 while your paypal went -150. 



No, my bank account is OK . My paypal account is -150$. This is what Paypal tells me:

Estimado Antonio Varela Izquierdo:

Gracias por ponerse en contacto con nosotros en referencia a un pago personal de 150.00USD. 

He revisado su cuenta y he visto que el pago después de abrir un caso como pago no autorizado por usted, PP-003-318-949-459, el caso se cerró a favor de 
https://admin.paypal.com/cgi-bin/admin?node=list_users&account_number=1386681534079149170" rel="nofollow -  por lo que él tiene el dinero.

Dado que PayPal no cubrimos los pagos personales, le recomiendo que se ponga en contacto con   https://admin.paypal.com/cgi-bin/admin?node=list_users&account_number=1386681534079149170" rel="nofollow -  para que le realice una devolución de los fondos, ya que el vendedor tiene todavía este pago que usted le envió.

Ha sido un placer atender su consulta y le deseo un feliz día.

Si necesita más información, recuerde que también puede entrar en su cuenta PayPal y consultar el apartado de Ayuda rápida del vínculo Contactar, a pie de página.




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Posted By: MAkira
Date Posted: 08/25/2014 at 8:29am
so the bank gave you your money? and then you are want more money? please explain this better because this isn't sound right.


Posted By: E.ZegnaFan
Date Posted: 08/25/2014 at 9:35am
My understand is paypal used other sources of Anhtuan money registered with paypal as a back up if a main money source wasn't available in this case is his bank account. So if he doesn't registered another card/bank account then he got a negative balance in his paypal's account.

That mean he doesn't get his money back yet, simply the money just goes around within his paypal account Tongue



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Posted By: MAkira
Date Posted: 08/25/2014 at 9:44am
make a new paypal, then there will be no minus balance hehe. and you will have the money you recieved from bank


Posted By: Antuan
Date Posted: 08/25/2014 at 10:37am
Originally posted by E.ZegnaFan E.ZegnaFan wrote:

My understand is paypal used other sources of Anhtuan money registered with paypal as a back up if a main money source wasn't available in this case is his bank account. So if he doesn't registered another card/bank account then he got a negative balance in his paypal's account.

That mean he doesn't get his money back yet, simply the money just goes around within his paypal account Tongue


Exact! I have lost 150$ until Cameron refund my money. I sold a blade 3 dats ago and paypal used that money to balance my account 😡.
I still am waiting for my 150$. And Cameron tells me that he can't show me a pic were i can see my refunded money because he has his account blocked.... It sounds rare. He says he has -550$, and show me a pic were i saw it but if it is true i don't mind, paypal says that Cameron has my 150$ and i want them back.

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Posted By: Antuan
Date Posted: 08/25/2014 at 10:38am
Originally posted by MAkira MAkira wrote:

make a new paypal, then there will be no minus balance hehe. and you will have the money you recieved from bank

Too late. Paypal took 150$ from a deal which i made 3 days ago 😡.

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Posted By: MAkira
Date Posted: 08/25/2014 at 10:59am
Originally posted by Antuan Antuan wrote:

Originally posted by MAkira MAkira wrote:

make a new paypal, then there will be no minus balance hehe. and you will have the money you recieved from bank

Too late. Paypal took 150$ from a deal which i made 3 days ago 😡.

Sound's like you're screwed. If he is minus 550 i think he will not be willing to spend that much to even his account out just to send you another 150$. If he is somehow at -550 that means he is already lost a lot of money. are you sure he is -550 or maybe he is just saying that. 


Posted By: Antuan
Date Posted: 08/25/2014 at 11:15am
Originally posted by MAkira MAkira wrote:

Originally posted by Antuan Antuan wrote:

Originally posted by MAkira MAkira wrote:

make a new paypal, then there will be no minus balance hehe. and you will have the money you recieved from bank

Too late. Paypal took 150$ from a deal which i made 3 days ago 😡.


Sound's like you're screwed. If he is minus 550 i think he will not be willing to spend that much to even his account out just to send you another 150$. If he is somehow at -550 that means he is already lost a lot of money. are you sure he is -550 or maybe he is just saying that. 

And how can i know that he is really -550$? And that is not my problem. I paid for a blade which i didn't receive. And i have not my 150$ back.

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Posted By: MAkira
Date Posted: 08/25/2014 at 11:25am
sorry i didn't read your earlier message and assumed he was just saying he was -550. he sent you a picture of it being -550? if this is the case then part of that -550 would be because of your bank taking the money back from paypal. that would cause him to lose money in HIS paypal. it looks like both of you ended up being at a issue. 


Posted By: Antuan
Date Posted: 08/25/2014 at 11:31am
Originally posted by MAkira MAkira wrote:

sorry i didn't read your earlier message and assumed he was just saying he was -550. he sent you a picture of it being -550? if this is the case then part of that -550 would be because of your bank taking the money back from paypal. that would cause him to lose money in HIS paypal. it looks like both of you ended up being at a issue. 

In that case, were are my 150$ ? Paypal had told me that Cameron has my money.

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Posted By: MAkira
Date Posted: 08/25/2014 at 11:37am
ohhhh, i am finally seeing your issue more clearly. but the way it seems, i do not think you will be recieving that money if he is at -550 and he will use the excuse of your bank already gave you your money. I think we should not gift purchase anymore on the forums especially for new members.


Posted By: Antuan
Date Posted: 08/25/2014 at 12:01pm
Originally posted by MAkira MAkira wrote:

ohhhh, i am finally seeing your issue more clearly. but the way it seems, i do not think you will be recieving that money if he is at -550 and he will use the excuse of your bank already gave you your money. I think we should not gift purchase anymore on the forums especially for new members.

If he has returned every payment he received, why is he -550$?
Why do i have to loose 150$?

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Posted By: MAkira
Date Posted: 08/25/2014 at 12:07pm
well I'm assume since he was banned from paypal it is because there were many disputes on his paypal. so what i think may have happened is maybe they talked to their bank to get their money back but he had already given them their money back on paypal. so maybe the money doubled up or something and it caused him to be negative like it did to you.


Posted By: limjo
Date Posted: 08/25/2014 at 1:27pm
What I know is that Cameron has got all the money he scammed in his Paypal Account (assuming he was not able to withdraw/transfer all before his account was blocked) then was blocked by Paypal due to numerous complaints. As per my knowledge, Theologian has been in contact with Cameron to clear his name by refunding the other forum members their money. Since Cameron's paypal account is blocked, Theologian convinced him to borrow money; some he gave to Theologian to refund other forum members while in my case he asked his girlfriend's paypal account to refund to my paypal account. I was in contact with Cameron before I got my money back, said he intends to pay all back just needs some time to get more money to pay everybody. While what Cameron did was deplorable it takes a man to admit his guilt and try to redeem himself. This is not entirely Cameron's fault, as I said before we let our guards down when offered with sweet deals and anybody without good reputation/feedsbacks should not be paid with Paypal as Gift. We all know this but since GREED HAS TAKEN OVER US WHEN OFFERED WITH ENTICING DEALS AND WE WERE JOSTLING OVER TO BITE THE BAIT. This is a sad lesson that should not happen again in the future.

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Posted By: Antuan
Date Posted: 08/25/2014 at 1:41pm
Originally posted by limjo limjo wrote:

What I know is that Cameron gas got all the money he scammed in his Paypal Account (assuming he was not able to withdraw/transfer all before his account was blocked) then was blocked by Paypal due to numerous complaints. As per my knowledge, Theologian has been in contact with Cameron to clear his name by refunding the other forum members their money. Since Cameron's paypal account is blocked, Theologian convinced him to borrow money; some he gave to Theologian to refund other forum members while in my case he asked his girlfriend's paypal account to refund to my paypal account. I was in contact with Cameron before I got my money back, said he intends to pay all back just needs some time to get more money to pay everybody. While what Cameron did was deplorable it takes a man to admit his guilt and try to redeem himself. This is not entirely Cameron's fault, as I said before we let our guards down when offered with sweet deals and anybody without good reputation/feedsbacks should not be paid with Paypal as Gift. We all know this but since GREED HAS TAKEN OVER US WHEN OFFERED WITH ENTICING DEALS AND WE WERE JOSTLING OVER TO BITE THE BAIT. This is a sad lesson that should not happen again in the future.

So paypal cancelled his account? I think paypal can not cancel an account if it is in negative balance.
Another think that i don't understand is how he can have -550$ in paypal...

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Posted By: Antuan
Date Posted: 08/26/2014 at 7:36pm
Cameron has told me that he won't pay my 150$ because he has lost 150$ from me. It is false, i am who has lost 150$ in paypal.

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Posted By: MAkira
Date Posted: 08/27/2014 at 12:01am
you said he showed you that he is -550$ this doesn't sound false if you've seen a picture. antuan i have a question for you. if you were to scam me 150$ and then my bank took the money back and gave it to me would you give me another 150$? this is where it sounds like he is coming from.


Posted By: MAkira
Date Posted: 08/27/2014 at 1:12am
but then i guess it is bad on both parts because if paypal has negative 150 dollars on you then that would mean the bank basically gave you nothing since you have to pay that back to paypal. I think what paypal do is bad for both parties. if i were you i would expect to get your money refunded still but i do not think he would be the kind of person to do that. since he already is known as a scammer.


Posted By: ttping85
Date Posted: 08/27/2014 at 3:19am
why does this get so complicated?

Antuan got scammed 150 dollars like everybody else. He tried to get the money back through his bank. His bank gave him the money back but took it from his paypal account which is now -150. This means he actually didn't get his money back.

Conclusion: if Cameron is refunding everybody then there is no reason at all why Antuan should not get refunded like everybody else. Once he will be refunded the 150 dollars his paypal account will be back to zero instead of being negative.

@ the_theoligian: thank you very much for helping everybody to get their money back. What is the situation for Antuan, please?

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Posted By: the_theologian
Date Posted: 08/27/2014 at 5:01am
I think I finally understand Antuan's situation. So, I believe that Cameron still owes Antuan and also vishal_dindoyal.

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Posted By: MAkira
Date Posted: 08/27/2014 at 9:49am
Originally posted by the_theologian the_theologian wrote:

I think I finally understand Antuan's situation. So, I believe that Cameron still owes Antuan and also vishal_dindoyal.

I am agree with you, about him oweing antuan. but i don't know a story behind vishal. I do not think he will pay though if he believes he doesnt owe him.


Posted By: vishal_dindoyal
Date Posted: 08/27/2014 at 2:04pm
Oh he knows he owes me, no problem with that! He has been telling me he is waiting for his paycheck to be able to give me my money back. I'm still waiting.


Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 08/27/2014 at 11:08pm
Another for sale scammer, Mr. Gogool has been permanently banned.


Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 08/27/2014 at 11:13pm
Originally posted by limjo limjo wrote:

While what Cameron did was deplorable it takes a man to admit his guilt and try to redeem himself. This is not entirely Cameron's fault.....


It is entirely Cameron's fault.  People have a right to expect that at the MyTT for sale forum, people are not going to just run away with the money.  People should be more prudent perhaps, especially in how they use paypal, but if you enter into a good faith deal with someone, and that person blatantly rips you off, keeps your money, doesn't send the blade, or never actually had the blame, there is only one person to blame.  It is good that he is trying to make restitution.  That part is true.  But if you look at the number of people who got ripped off, it amounts to a substantial amount of money and a repeated pattern of theft. 


Posted By: Antuan
Date Posted: 08/28/2014 at 7:13am
Originally posted by ttping85 ttping85 wrote:

why does this get so complicated?

Antuan got scammed 150 dollars like everybody else. He tried to get the money back through his bank. His bank gave him the money back but took it from his paypal account which is now -150. This means he actually didn't get his money back.

Conclusion: if Cameron is refunding everybody then there is no reason at all why Antuan should not get refunded like everybody else. Once he will be refunded the 150 dollars his paypal account will be back to zero instead of being negative.

@ the_theoligian: thank you very much for helping everybody to get their money back. What is the situation for Antuan, please?
Thank you @ttping85 , it has been just like you´ve explained. I don´t have my money. Cameron says that he doesn´t have my money, so, where is it? Does Paypal have it? i don´t think so...


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Posted By: chroot
Date Posted: 08/28/2014 at 10:47am
It's very clear who has the money. 

Read the reply from PayPal to Antuan.

"Estimado Antonio Varela Izquierdo:

Gracias por ponerse en contacto con nosotros en referencia a un pago personal de 150.00USD. 

He revisado su cuenta y he visto que el pago después de abrir un caso como pago no autorizado por usted, PP-003-318-949-459, el caso se cerró a favor de 
https://admin.paypal.com/cgi-bin/admin?node=list_users&account_number=1386681534079149170" rel="nofollow -  por lo que él tiene el dinero.

Dado que PayPal no cubrimos los pagos personales, le recomiendo que se ponga en contacto con   https://admin.paypal.com/cgi-bin/admin?node=list_users&account_number=1386681534079149170" rel="nofollow -  para que le realice una devolución de los fondos, ya que el vendedor tiene todavía este pago que usted le envió.

Ha sido un placer atender su consulta y le deseo un feliz día.

Si necesita más información, recuerde que también puede entrar en su cuenta PayPal y consultar el apartado de Ayuda rápida del vínculo Contactar, a pie de página."

In English (translated by Google):

"Dear Antonio Varela Left: 

Thank you for contacting us regarding a personal payment 150.00USD. 

I have reviewed your account and I saw that the payment after opening a case such payment is not authorized by you, PP-003-318-949-459, the case was closed in favor of [email protected] so he has the money. 

Since PayPal personal payments do not cover, I recommend you contact him [email protected] to make a return of the funds, since the seller still has the payment you sent him. 

It has been a pleasure to deal with your inquiry and I wish you a happy day. "

For more information, remember that you can also get into your PayPal account and see section Quick Help Contact link at footer."




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Posted By: kakapo
Date Posted: 08/28/2014 at 11:06am
Originally posted by Antuan Antuan wrote:

Originally posted by ttping85 ttping85 wrote:

why does this get so complicated?

Antuan got scammed 150 dollars like everybody else. He tried to get the money back through his bank. His bank gave him the money back but took it from his paypal account which is now -150. This means he actually didn't get his money back.

Conclusion: if Cameron is refunding everybody then there is no reason at all why Antuan should not get refunded like everybody else. Once he will be refunded the 150 dollars his paypal account will be back to zero instead of being negative.

@ the_theoligian: thank you very much for helping everybody to get their money back. What is the situation for Antuan, please?
Thank you @ttping85 , it has been just like you´ve explained. I don´t have my money. Cameron says that he doesn´t have my money, so, where is it? Does Paypal have it? i don´t think so...

Antuan,

That's what I told you : once the money has been sent as gift, it is lost !!!!
The only solution is : the guy sends you the money back. Otherwise you can't do anything !
paypal will only acts if you send money the normal way.


Posted By: chroot
Date Posted: 08/28/2014 at 11:29am
exactly. once the payment is done as "gift", the money is gone. you can not dispute the transaction in paypal system. your bank/credit card company can open a dispute case against it, but paypal most likely will close the case in favor of the seller. 

i am also a victim in this spam. without hep from guys like the_theoligian, i would never be able to get my money back. learned a lesson. will be more careful to use paypay "gift" option in the future.


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Posted By: MAkira
Date Posted: 08/28/2014 at 1:30pm
Originally posted by chroot chroot wrote:

It's very clear who has the money. 

Read the reply from PayPal to Antuan.

"Estimado Antonio Varela Izquierdo:

Gracias por ponerse en contacto con nosotros en referencia a un pago personal de 150.00USD. 

He revisado su cuenta y he visto que el pago después de abrir un caso como pago no autorizado por usted, PP-003-318-949-459, el caso se cerró a favor de 
https://admin.paypal.com/cgi-bin/admin?node=list_users&account_number=1386681534079149170" rel="nofollow -  por lo que él tiene el dinero.

Dado que PayPal no cubrimos los pagos personales, le recomiendo que se ponga en contacto con   https://admin.paypal.com/cgi-bin/admin?node=list_users&account_number=1386681534079149170" rel="nofollow -  para que le realice una devolución de los fondos, ya que el vendedor tiene todavía este pago que usted le envió.

Ha sido un placer atender su consulta y le deseo un feliz día.

Si necesita más información, recuerde que también puede entrar en su cuenta PayPal y consultar el apartado de Ayuda rápida del vínculo Contactar, a pie de página."

In English (translated by Google):

"Dear Antonio Varela Left: 

Thank you for contacting us regarding a personal payment 150.00USD. 

I have reviewed your account and I saw that the payment after opening a case such payment is not authorized by you, PP-003-318-949-459, the case was closed in favor of [email protected] so he has the money. 

Since PayPal personal payments do not cover, I recommend you contact him [email protected] to make a return of the funds, since the seller still has the payment you sent him. 

It has been a pleasure to deal with your inquiry and I wish you a happy day. "

For more information, remember that you can also get into your PayPal account and see section Quick Help Contact link at footer."



it looks like they gave the money to his account according to this email. but if they also deactivated the account then does that mean no one has got the money?


Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 09/10/2014 at 12:32am
Something we have just learned and that is worth noting, and that has not been disclosed on this thread is that MAkira is a friend and playing partner of Cameron in Kansas City area.  I think that information should have been disclosed in one of the comments that he made and it explains MAkira's fairly unusual degree of interest in this particular thread. 


Posted By: vishal_dindoyal
Date Posted: 09/11/2014 at 12:44am
Am i the only one who still hasn't been refunded???

Why GOD why does it always have to be me?!!!


Posted By: the_theologian
Date Posted: 09/11/2014 at 1:04am
Originally posted by vishal_dindoyal vishal_dindoyal wrote:

Am i the only one who still hasn't been refunded???

Why GOD why does it always have to be me?!!!


Are you still in contact with Cameron?

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Posted By: vishal_dindoyal
Date Posted: 09/11/2014 at 1:09am
Yes i am but his replies to my question are completely senseless. 


Posted By: Antuan
Date Posted: 09/11/2014 at 2:30am
Well guys, finally i could get my money back 2 days ago!! 🎉🎉🎈🎋🎁🎊
Paypal told me that i paid like a gift but they would try the best to get my money back because it was my first discuss in paypal, and finally they got it.

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Posted By: kakapo
Date Posted: 09/11/2014 at 2:39am
Originally posted by Antuan Antuan wrote:

Well guys, finally i could get my money back 2 days ago!! 🎉🎉🎈🎋🎁🎊
Paypal told me that i paid like a gift but they would try the best to get my money back because it was my first discuss in paypal, and finally they got it.


You are very very lucky Antuan....

I really don't know what you did to the paypal girl to get your money back :)))

Better not to think about it :))


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Posted By: Antuan
Date Posted: 09/11/2014 at 3:00am
Originally posted by the_theologian the_theologian wrote:

Originally posted by slevin slevin wrote:

Originally posted by Antuan Antuan wrote:

 
Ahhh my paypal is linked with my bank account.....


Granted I don't know the nitty gritty details, but to me, that seems to be the scariest scenario of all...


My PayPal is linked to both my bank account and my credit card. Has been for years actually.

I have a linked credit card too. Everytime i pay with paypal they take my money from my bank account.

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Posted By: the_theologian
Date Posted: 09/14/2014 at 7:34pm
Originally posted by vishal_dindoyal vishal_dindoyal wrote:

Yes i am but his replies to my question are completely senseless. 


I've been advised your money was refunded just now. Please confirm when you get a chance.

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Posted By: vishal_dindoyal
Date Posted: 09/14/2014 at 11:40pm
Yes i just checked! He has fully refunded me! Thanks a lot!


Posted By: bns7117
Date Posted: 09/14/2014 at 11:42pm
Originally posted by vishal_dindoyal vishal_dindoyal wrote:

Yes i just checked! He has fully refunded me! Thanks a lot!


Good for you buddy! and let's thank Theologian for getting everyone's refund(including myself) again!

Thank you Theologian! we can't say enough thanks for your help!


Posted By: the_theologian
Date Posted: 09/15/2014 at 1:32am
I'm still fuzzy on Antuan's situation. I thought I was tracking until I chatted with a friend who is a PayPal guru (in a professional, business sense). Now, I'm not sure.

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Posted By: Antuan
Date Posted: 09/15/2014 at 2:11am
Originally posted by the_theologian the_theologian wrote:

I'm still fuzzy on Antuan's situation. I thought I was tracking until I chatted with a friend who is a PayPal guru (in a professional, business sense). Now, I'm not sure.

Why are you fuzzy?

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Posted By: the_theologian
Date Posted: 09/15/2014 at 2:28am
Originally posted by Antuan Antuan wrote:

Originally posted by the_theologian the_theologian wrote:

I'm still fuzzy on Antuan's situation. I thought I was tracking until I chatted with a friend who is a PayPal guru (in a professional, business sense). Now, I'm not sure.

Why are you fuzzy?
 

I'm just not familiar enough with how banks and paypal interact with each other in these situations to have a concrete answer. I don't really understand how the bank can credit the money and then Paypal takes it again. It's almost like PayPal and the bank need to have a better working relationship. When I bounced it off the friend who works with Paypal, it sounded strange to him also.

Did you report it to your bank as a fraudulent charge?


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Posted By: the_theologian
Date Posted: 09/15/2014 at 2:48am
And I was actually bringing up your situation to highlight that, in my understanding, perhaps not all restitution has been paid; as some stated it the posts preceding mine.

For now, I'm not going to be discussing these matters Cameron any further. He has stated that he feels I'm harassing him and mentioned going to the Police. As previously stated and explained, my persistence has been for the sake of avoiding Police involvement.

So, to you Antuan, I suggest contacting whoever you feel is appropriate to resolve the matter. 


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Posted By: Antuan
Date Posted: 09/15/2014 at 3:18am
Originally posted by the_theologian the_theologian wrote:

Originally posted by Antuan Antuan wrote:

Originally posted by the_theologian the_theologian wrote:

I'm still fuzzy on Antuan's situation. I thought I was tracking until I chatted with a friend who is a PayPal guru (in a professional, business sense). Now, I'm not sure.

Why are you fuzzy?
 

I'm just not familiar enough with how banks and paypal interact with each other in these situations to have a concrete answer. I don't really understand how the bank can credit the money and then Paypal takes it again. It's almost like PayPal and the bank need to have a better working relationship. When I bounced it off the friend who works with Paypal, it sounded strange to him also.

Did you report it to your bank as a fraudulent charge?

Yes, it is a strange situation: paypal took 150$ from my bank account. But i returned that receipt so Paypal took 150$ from my paypal account so it was -150$.
I talk to paypal explaining my problem so they decided to help me in spite of having made the payment as gift. I must say that paypal behaved amazing with me 👍👏👏. I never had any discuss in paypal.
I have to say that Cameron told me several times that he was not going to refund my money 😡.

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Posted By: the_theologian
Date Posted: 09/15/2014 at 3:55am
Originally posted by Antuan Antuan wrote:


Yes, it is a strange situation: paypal took 150$ from my bank account. But i returned that receipt so Paypal took 150$ from my paypal account so it was -150$.
I talk to paypal explaining my problem so they decided to help me in spite of having made the payment as gift. I must say that paypal behaved amazing with me 👍👏👏. I never had any discuss in paypal.
I have to say that Cameron told me several times that he was not going to refund my money 😡.

So, at this point, you're not out any money, correct? I guess PayPal decided to help you and perhaps they'll pursue restitution on their own.

Now it appears that only the MAkira story must be deciphered.


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Posted By: Antuan
Date Posted: 09/15/2014 at 4:03am
Originally posted by the_theologian the_theologian wrote:

Originally posted by Antuan Antuan wrote:


Yes, it is a strange situation: paypal took 150$ from my bank account. But i returned that receipt so Paypal took 150$ from my paypal account so it was -150$.
I talk to paypal explaining my problem so they decided to help me in spite of having made the payment as gift. I must say that paypal behaved amazing with me 👍👏👏. I never had any discuss in paypal.
I have to say that Cameron told me several times that he was not going to refund my money 😡.


So, at this point, you're not out any money, correct? I guess PayPal decided to help you and perhaps they'll pursue restitution on their own.

Now it appears that only the MAkira story must be deciphered.

Yes, as i said some days ago, i got my money back. But this has been thanks to Paypal, not to Cameron.

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