Which of these short pips has the softest topsheet
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Topic: Which of these short pips has the softest topsheet
Posted By: GeneralSpecific
Subject: Which of these short pips has the softest topsheet
Date Posted: 09/17/2014 at 12:53pm
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I'm looking for as much dwell as possible from some short pips I might purchase in the future. Please keep in mind, I'm asking for the softest topsheet and not sponge. I will purchase a topsheet and a custom sponge separately. So any sponge that would normally exist underneath each respective short pip is not applicable. The list: Friendship 802 Friendship 802-40 Dawei 388B Dawei 388B-1 Globe 889 Globe 889-2 Kokutaku 119 Sanwei Ghost So from this list, which topsheet is the softest, has the most dwell, and would have easier access to the sponge? Thank you ------------- Blade - Xiom 36.5 ALX FL Forehand - Xiom Omega V Asia 2.0mm Backhand - Victas Curl P5V with Der Materialspezialist Firestorm Soft/Outkill 1.8mm sponge |
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Posted By: mhnh007
Date Posted: 09/17/2014 at 1:17pm
| I only play with Globe, Friendship and DHS SP, and I remember the Globe has a softest pips of the 3. |
Posted By: jt99sf
Date Posted: 09/17/2014 at 1:30pm
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Dawei 388B-1, soft and grippy. -------------  Photino/Super Viscaria : H3 (FH)/Dr N pips(BH)林德成 HardBat:Hock 3-Ply /Dr Evil |
Posted By: 100niTenis
Date Posted: 09/17/2014 at 1:35pm
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Globe 889 ------------- Blade, Rubbers, Shoes, Socks ... |
Posted By: GeneralSpecific
Date Posted: 09/17/2014 at 1:46pm
889 or 889-2? I'm guessing 889 ------------- Blade - Xiom 36.5 ALX FL Forehand - Xiom Omega V Asia 2.0mm Backhand - Victas Curl P5V with Der Materialspezialist Firestorm Soft/Outkill 1.8mm sponge |
mhnh007 wrote:Posted By: mhnh007
Date Posted: 09/17/2014 at 3:10pm
Yes.
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Posted By: cole_ely
Date Posted: 09/17/2014 at 4:17pm
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I don't think the 388b is still approved. ------------- Wavestone St with Illumina 1.9r, defender1.7b Please let me know if I can be of assistance. |
Posted By: cole_ely
Date Posted: 09/17/2014 at 4:18pm
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My vote on that list is 802-40, since np8 isn't on there. Of course you can always get more dwell by going to a longer pip, although less spin. ------------- Wavestone St with Illumina 1.9r, defender1.7b Please let me know if I can be of assistance. |
Posted By: GeneralSpecific
Date Posted: 09/17/2014 at 6:29pm
Yeah I found that out after I posted this. It's been banned since 2008. 388b-1 however is still legal.
No, longer pips are out of the question. I despise medium pips (except for maybe blocking) and while there are many aspects of long pips that I like, it's weaknesses impact my game too much. Have you tried 388b-1? I've heard it's similar to 802-40's topsheet but softer. If you've tried them both, does this differ from your findings? ------------- Blade - Xiom 36.5 ALX FL Forehand - Xiom Omega V Asia 2.0mm Backhand - Victas Curl P5V with Der Materialspezialist Firestorm Soft/Outkill 1.8mm sponge |
Posted By: cole_ely
Date Posted: 09/17/2014 at 6:55pm
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i used to sell it. i don't think dawei supplies it anymore. ------------- Wavestone St with Illumina 1.9r, defender1.7b Please let me know if I can be of assistance. |
Posted By: cole_ely
Date Posted: 09/17/2014 at 6:56pm
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anyway it was nice and soft. not as soft as 802-40 was back then, but perhaps softer than it is now. ------------- Wavestone St with Illumina 1.9r, defender1.7b Please let me know if I can be of assistance. |
Posted By: GeneralSpecific
Date Posted: 09/18/2014 at 12:30am
It's still available on eacheng. So is regular 388b despite 6 years of illegality  ------------- Blade - Xiom 36.5 ALX FL Forehand - Xiom Omega V Asia 2.0mm Backhand - Victas Curl P5V with Der Materialspezialist Firestorm Soft/Outkill 1.8mm sponge |
Posted By: haggisv
Date Posted: 09/18/2014 at 2:13am
They may well still use it in China... just because it's not ITTF approved does not make it 'illegal' to use.  ------------- Smart; VS>401, Dtecs OX http://tabletennisshop.com.au/index.php?main_page=page&id=42" rel="nofollow - Tenergy Alternatives | http://tabletennis-reviews.com" rel="nofollow - My TT Articles |
Posted By: GeneralSpecific
Date Posted: 09/18/2014 at 2:20am
Don't I know it. There's guys using bare wood on their backhands over there. Go figure... ------------- Blade - Xiom 36.5 ALX FL Forehand - Xiom Omega V Asia 2.0mm Backhand - Victas Curl P5V with Der Materialspezialist Firestorm Soft/Outkill 1.8mm sponge |
Posted By: bbkon
Date Posted: 09/18/2014 at 8:11pm
| Excellent SP I wonder which one is the closest to 388b1 |
Posted By: GeneralSpecific
Date Posted: 09/19/2014 at 12:06am
Which short pip is excellent? 388b-1? If so, than 802-40 is closest. ------------- Blade - Xiom 36.5 ALX FL Forehand - Xiom Omega V Asia 2.0mm Backhand - Victas Curl P5V with Der Materialspezialist Firestorm Soft/Outkill 1.8mm sponge |
Posted By: kakapo
Date Posted: 09/19/2014 at 2:22am
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802-40 has a "soft" top sheet and is really the best one in your list regarding spin. TSP super spinpips chop is also really good. ------------- Def play grey grip 94gr, Venus 2 blue 2,2, Neubauer KO extreme 1,3mm |
Posted By: GeneralSpecific
Date Posted: 09/19/2014 at 2:51am
Have you tried 388b-1 though? People are saying it's a softer version of 802-40 ------------- Blade - Xiom 36.5 ALX FL Forehand - Xiom Omega V Asia 2.0mm Backhand - Victas Curl P5V with Der Materialspezialist Firestorm Soft/Outkill 1.8mm sponge |
Posted By: kakapo
Date Posted: 09/19/2014 at 3:00am
No, I haven't tried this one from dawei but I've been playing with SP for more than 20 years and I have tried really a lot of them (with different kind of sponges also). Tibhar speedy soft (very polyvalent), butterfly rein (not produced anymore but still allowed), 802-40, TSP super spin pips chop are my favorite ones. I still have to try the adidas blaze spin, I have one black at home but have had no time to try it yet. ------------- Def play grey grip 94gr, Venus 2 blue 2,2, Neubauer KO extreme 1,3mm |
Posted By: GeneralSpecific
Date Posted: 09/19/2014 at 3:38am
The problem is that it's very difficult to find sheets of anything other than the list I provided in OX. All other short pips come with the sheet attached. I would get super spin pips chop but if I can get something like 802-40 or 388b-1 on a custom 25 degree soft sponge it might be more economical. Then again, I may be paying the extra $20 to get something with better production quality and reliability. I'm not purchasing any short pips until 2015 so I have plenty of time to make a decision on things but I'm just doing my homework on it for the time being. ------------- Blade - Xiom 36.5 ALX FL Forehand - Xiom Omega V Asia 2.0mm Backhand - Victas Curl P5V with Der Materialspezialist Firestorm Soft/Outkill 1.8mm sponge |
Posted By: kakapo
Date Posted: 09/19/2014 at 3:53am
That's right, it is not obvious to get "non chinese" SP without sponge but it is possible. Send an email to japsko.se in Sweden. It is maybe possible they can get some non chinese SP without sponge. I also spoke some years ago with a guy who played with a tibhar speedy soft with "defensive" sponge, he got the top sheet from tibhar and then glued himself a 1mm defensive sponge from Japan. Anyway, 802-40 is a very good choice and is able to produce good spins. ------------- Def play grey grip 94gr, Venus 2 blue 2,2, Neubauer KO extreme 1,3mm |
Posted By: LUCKYLOOP
Date Posted: 09/19/2014 at 5:48am
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I am not sure which is softest, but I have a sheet of 802-40 and like the feel of it a lot. ------------- Hntr Fl / 4H & BH Xiom Sigma Pro 2 2.0 Yinhe T-2 / 4H Xiom Sig Pro 2 2.0 BH Xiom Omega IV Elite Max Gam DC / 4H DHS Hurricane 8 39deg 2.1 BH GD CC LP OX HARDBAT / Hock 3 ply / Frenshp Dr Evil OX |
Posted By: bbkon
Date Posted: 09/19/2014 at 2:11pm
no, they re way diffrent,,,388b1 has a narrower pip than 802-40
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Posted By: Johnny1996
Date Posted: 09/27/2014 at 12:29pm
| If must need soft top sheet, raw pips is recomonded instead of cooked pips like 802. U may choose Hammond FA Speed or Moristo SP. don't choose yr suggestions. |