FASTEST BLADE CHALLENGE!!
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Topic: FASTEST BLADE CHALLENGE!!
Posted By: tommyzai
Subject: FASTEST BLADE CHALLENGE!!
Date Posted: 10/25/2014 at 10:49pm
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fR2hajcuFEM I, Tommy Zai, EJ Madman, hereby challenge the creative, innovative table tennis company Nexy to design and produce the fastest five or seven ply, composite blade in the world. I make this challenge to Nexy for two reasons: 1. There are players like myself, who want to play with the FASTEST, not one of the fastest blades. And, many of the speedy blades we adored are long gone, replaced by flexy weaklings! 2. I truly believe Nexy can meet this challenge! fast1 fast/ superlative adjective: fastest
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Posted By: tuco
Date Posted: 10/26/2014 at 2:51am
this blade is 17mm thick.... you'll need to find a block of balsa that is >20mm thick :) ------------- The Dark Side is: "Quicker, easier, more seductive" - Yoda |
Posted By: SolidEvolution
Date Posted: 10/26/2014 at 5:13am
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I see you did a define fast on Google, but if you are really serious about doing this. Somebody will have to define fast by hitting balls through a chrono, with whatever is considered fast, see what speeds it's actually about. It does kind of propose a really broad challenge to make the 'fastest' of something. Being able to move a blade faster, means there will be more energy to transfer. The blade itself having better energy transference property means you can actually increase the speed, aside from the momentum lost on impact. Should the mechanics of the actual person playing matter? As in if they stay identical and ball speed increases, then the goal would be achieved? Then wouldn't it just be in trying to improve the transfer of energy? If the blade ends up being some odd shaped beast, that's just adding speed based on mass on impact. Then what really is the point of faster? It's like in golf, hit further cause the head shape is like a milk-can. I'd want to add that the 'fastest' blade has to be achieved within a certain range of thickness. The shape of the blade should not affect the players stroke, as in the weight or shape should not make the player make changes to their normal movements. (So no 1kg blade that swings like a mallet). @tuco Wasn't balsa not actually that rigid, just structurally hard? Cause then ramping up the thickness makes sense. |
Posted By: Dr.Cho
Date Posted: 10/26/2014 at 10:36am
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You should also define the blade to be all wood or add any man made materials. or all man made materials. |
Posted By: 100niTenis
Date Posted: 10/26/2014 at 10:43am
| Killerspin claim fastest blade on earth and closest planets. I am not sure if Saturn is included in this challenge ! |
Posted By: SolidEvolution
Date Posted: 10/26/2014 at 11:25am
In that case add ITTF legal, aaaannddd Killerspin is out...
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100niTenis wrote:Posted By: jt99sf
Date Posted: 10/26/2014 at 11:30am
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Posted By: tommyzai
Date Posted: 10/26/2014 at 1:43pm
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NO BALSA ONLY!!! NO ONE-PLY!!!
I should have clarified . . . the fastest five or seven ply composite blade in the world. Otherwise, we're talking about graphite or stainless steel or a Louisville Slugger baseball bat. I'm hoping Nexy can build a blade in the genre of Schlager Carbon that is faster!!! ------------- For More Info, PM or Email me: [email protected] |
Posted By: tuco
Date Posted: 10/26/2014 at 8:27pm
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if you are talking about baseball bat, doesn't a corked bat hit the ball farther than a legal bat (solid wood)? there is a reason why balsa blades rule for close to table hitting/blocking game. to have maximum catapult you need springy inner plies. ------------- The Dark Side is: "Quicker, easier, more seductive" - Yoda |
Posted By: tommyzai
Date Posted: 10/26/2014 at 8:40pm
If the fastest blade has to have a light material like balsa at the core, fine, but not a 100% thick balsa blade please. I'm tired of 10mm 60g balsa blades that have my finger indentations in them. Ohhhh
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Posted By: Nexy
Date Posted: 10/26/2014 at 10:24pm
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I am trying to be careful in writing here in this place. I don't want to make any long discuss here, because I don't want to take your precious time. I understand what Tommy is asking for. And I also understand what SolidEvolution is saying. This topic is very interesting one for me, as a NEXY designer. When I started NEXY brand, I focused on what other brands are missing. And Speed was one of the factor. I designed DEXTER, and I wanted to make it the fastest 5 ply blade, still generating good spin, and with good balance on the whole. But from that moment, NEXY became little more oriented to the uniqueness of it's own character. Speed is one factor every one knows important for a blade. SO, STRANGELY ENOUGH, Nexy bacame less interested in physical speed of a blade. Rather Nexy tried to find the maximum effective compromise among speed, spin and control. However, Tommy's suggestion trigerred me an idea that NEXY can challenge to produce a very fast blade. I assume that Tommy did not push me to make stupid fast blade, without good control and spin. I think what people want here is to meet a fast, but still attractive one, with good spin and control, as well as feeling. Challenge was accepted. The basic concept of the blade will be simple. But production period will take some time for samples. I will write more about what I will do later on. ------------- Brand Manager of NEXY |
Posted By: tommyzai
Date Posted: 10/26/2014 at 11:11pm
FANTASTIC!!! I know NEXY can do this, and I'm excited to see what it looks like, feels like, and most importantly — how it plays. I'm also curious . . . what will it be called? This is going to be fun. Thank you for accepting the challenge. In the meantime, I'll stop looking for discontinued fast, solid, blades. AND yes, the blade must be usable, with good control and spin, but the most important characteristic is . . . SPEED!!! ------------- For More Info, PM or Email me: [email protected] |
Posted By: Dr.Cho
Date Posted: 10/27/2014 at 10:57am
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Don't forget it must be 85% wood. fibre 7.5% of total thickness or 0.35mm So whats the hardest wood and whats the hardest fiber material. If your just going for (Speed).
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Posted By: tommyzai
Date Posted: 10/27/2014 at 1:24pm
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Nexy will have to find a way to push the boundaries to the maximum without losing playability. I'm excited to see what they come up with! ------------- For More Info, PM or Email me: [email protected] |
Posted By: Dr.Cho
Date Posted: 10/27/2014 at 3:17pm
| So Zaister, what rubber would you use on such a beast? |
Posted By: tommyzai
Date Posted: 10/27/2014 at 3:22pm
I think it would be best to try different rubbers with the blade to find the best match. A lot will depend on the hardness of the blade, dwell (hopefully not too flexy), etc. It's probably best to start with the industry standards of the main rubber categories and go from there, i.e., Tenergy 05, H3-Neo, etc. I've been attempting to counter looper later . . . or in my case . . . counter a loop with a hit. I never tried Bryce Speed, but perhaps that would be the rubber of choice for the world's fastest 5/7 ply composite blade. I don't know. Any thoughts? ------------- For More Info, PM or Email me: [email protected] |
Posted By: slevin
Date Posted: 10/27/2014 at 3:23pm
The fastest one, of course? ------------- Trade feedback: http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=50787" rel="nofollow - http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=50787 |
Posted By: Blondie
Date Posted: 10/27/2014 at 3:23pm
| Use the fastest rubber. Otherwise the speed is diminished and offset by a slow rubber. But what is the fastest rubber to use with the fastest blade? |
Posted By: SolidEvolution
Date Posted: 10/27/2014 at 3:24pm
Part of the challenge is in finding the right wood, which may not be the hardest. Interesting read on the subject: http://www.conradfp.com/pdf/ch4-Mechanical-Properties-of-Wood.pdf |
Posted By: mjamja
Date Posted: 10/27/2014 at 3:30pm
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What will it be called? 1. Zai-borg 2. Tomminator 3. Bolt 4. Ridiculous 5. Cheetah Any others?
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Posted By: Dr.Cho
Date Posted: 10/27/2014 at 3:32pm
| MasterBlaster |
Posted By: Dr.Cho
Date Posted: 10/27/2014 at 3:33pm
| ONE BALL ENTERS ONE SHRED LEAVES |
Posted By: tommyzai
Date Posted: 10/27/2014 at 3:36pm
I'm honored by some of the names, including "Ridiculous." LOL. My hope is that the blade is ridiculously fast and challenges players to tame it . . . control it . . . whip it into submission! By the way, the word "Zai" in Guangdonwah/Cantonese is an endearing term that means "Boy." Maybe when a player first tries this upcoming Nexy blade they will shout, "OH BOY, THIS IS FAST!" ------------- For More Info, PM or Email me: [email protected] |
Posted By: cole_ely
Date Posted: 10/27/2014 at 4:19pm
What do you mean here? Did Killerspin decide to stop paying ittf fees? Even if they did, the blades would still be legal. The whole question is kind of silly, really (sorry Tommy) You can always make a balsa blade thicker up to the point where you can't hold it and/or until it just crumbles away after a couple months of use. I saw a guy make a blade out of some single ply of wood (can't remember the wood.) It was like 200g...totally unplayable...but really really fast. ------------- Wavestone St with Illumina 1.9r, defender1.7b Please let me know if I can be of assistance. |
Posted By: tommyzai
Date Posted: 10/27/2014 at 4:31pm
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Cole, What question of mine is silly? Regarding balsa, I agree with you, they crumble and your fingers and even the ball can dent them badly. 1-plies and thick balsa blades are simply not useful for most players. T NOTE: I created this thread to challenge Nexy, the Korean-based table tennis company, to design the world's fastest 5/7 ply composite blade that is between 6 - 7mm thick and is a standard weight of 85 - 92 or so. I made this challenge to Nexy in particular based on their innovative designs, creativity, and willingness to fill voids in the market. At present, after the discontinuation of many standard OFF+ blades (Sardius, Schlager Carbon, etc.), I feel there is a hole in the market that needs to be re-filled.* I believe Nexy can fill it and would like to see what they come up with. *I acknowledge that there still are some blades out there that are similar in character to the abandoned Butterfly OFF+ classics, i.e., YinHe/Galaxy models. Yet, my challenge is to go beyond any standard blades ever created. Why not give it a try?
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Posted By: cole_ely
Date Posted: 10/27/2014 at 5:21pm
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any idea what the comment on killerspin was about? ------------- Wavestone St with Illumina 1.9r, defender1.7b Please let me know if I can be of assistance. |
Posted By: tommyzai
Date Posted: 10/27/2014 at 5:28pm
I'm not sure, but it may have to do with the 100% carbon fiber blade they make. http://www.killerspin.com/equipment/blades/stilo7-svr.html ------------- For More Info, PM or Email me: [email protected] |
Posted By: cole_ely
Date Posted: 10/27/2014 at 7:42pm
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I didn't read all the parameters in the original post that eventually made it into the thread. All I read was fastest and more fastest. With parameters of weight and materials it does make more sense. I will say that everybody will probably try to step up a bit in speed when the plastic ball is fully implemented. It's probably a good market to get into. I used to sell tons of defensive stuff and I almost never do anymore now. ------------- Wavestone St with Illumina 1.9r, defender1.7b Please let me know if I can be of assistance. |
Posted By: tommyzai
Date Posted: 10/27/2014 at 8:17pm
Cole, as you and many other member know, I have problems generating spin due to physical issues, but not speed. Maybe all I really needed to do to increase my playing level was to be patient and wait for the ball to change. LOL Bring on the FASTEST BLADE!! I'm ready!!!
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Posted By: tuco
Date Posted: 10/27/2014 at 8:20pm
shut up blondie. what do you know about ping pong?! if you want to shoot, shoot! don't talk! ------------- The Dark Side is: "Quicker, easier, more seductive" - Yoda |
Posted By: tuco
Date Posted: 10/27/2014 at 8:21pm
BONEHEAD ------------- The Dark Side is: "Quicker, easier, more seductive" - Yoda |
Posted By: tommyzai
Date Posted: 10/27/2014 at 8:23pm
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fR2hajcuFEM
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Posted By: Nexy
Date Posted: 10/27/2014 at 11:04pm
Concerning the matching rubber, let me give one tip. I will use MX-P on the forehand side, and Airoc S on the back hand side, when I design this blade. Just for your referrence. ------------- Brand Manager of NEXY |
Posted By: Nexy
Date Posted: 10/27/2014 at 11:10pm
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The name for the blade will be AKRASIA. You will know why NEXY chose this name. I will write more about the name, but for now, making it brief, I can say this. We are always attracted to something beyond our mighty. A beautiful lady, not accepting my date proposal, nice car, not affordable with my finance, a tiger, which we can not tame in our house, you name it. This blade will be another AKRASIA, insanely attractive, but not easy to become docile. If you can tame it, then you will not worry about speed any more. ------------- Brand Manager of NEXY |
Posted By: Nexy
Date Posted: 10/27/2014 at 11:15pm
Akrasia will not be very heavy, will not be very thick, and will not be bouncy much, either. Even though I am designing a beast, I will try to make it competitive against all currently popular blades, and I need to check all the total balance, speed, control, feeling and spin. ------------- Brand Manager of NEXY |
Posted By: tommyzai
Date Posted: 10/28/2014 at 12:00am
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This is getting exciting. Akrasia will certainly be a blade worth trying, but who of us will be man (or woman) enough to tame this mighty beast! My fingers are crossed that it will be a solid blade, not an airy, lightweight fast blade. We need a mighty wild cat, not a rabbit. ;-). http://www.rabbitnetwork.org/articles/agressive.shtml
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Posted By: vivan4tt
Date Posted: 10/28/2014 at 11:49am
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Do the blade still need to be ITTF approved with a 80+% of wood ? Or can i go with a 1 ply titanium blade ? ------------- Mizutani sZLC / T05fx / T05fx |
Posted By: tommyzai
Date Posted: 10/28/2014 at 1:01pm
It needs to be ITTF approved. Otherwise, there isn't much challenge . . . Killerspin already has a blade that is made from space debris or something. LOL ------------- For More Info, PM or Email me: [email protected] |
Posted By: Dr.Cho
Date Posted: 10/28/2014 at 5:11pm
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Next Question: How will we know IF AKRASIA is truly faster than any other blade. What tests will be done to ensure the Tag: Worlds Fastest. Bounce tests Ping tests Slow motion camera Oscillation tests? |
Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 10/28/2014 at 6:56pm
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hmm i'm excited with that too Mr. Moon ------------- Independent online TT Product reviewer of XIOM, STIGA, JOOLA, SANWEI, GEWO, AIR, ITC, APEX, YASAKA and ABROS ITTF Level 1 Coaching Course Conductor, ITTF Level 1 Coach |
Posted By: tommyzai
Date Posted: 10/29/2014 at 3:40am
Any suggestions? It should be a fun test!
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Posted By: Nexy
Date Posted: 10/29/2014 at 10:23pm
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That's very important question. What is NEXY's definition of the blade's speed? Nexy is blessed brand, because NEXY is now growing in Korea, where many elite players are playing, and NEXY can associate with those players and coaches. What I found out from those players and coaches were adopted NEXY blades' official descriptions, and you will know that NEXY has never shown the speed criteria on a blade. I was asked to tell what level of speed I designed on a certain blade many times, and they were expecting me to answer to their questions with speed criteria, such as off, off+, all and so on. But I always answered that NEXY will not tell any form of speed data. Did you find out why NEXY did not show that kind of classfication of the speed on the blade? Because mechanical data don't not show the real speed of a blade. And people's feedbacks for a certain blade vary in a big range, according to what kind of play style they are, and the level of the player, as well as what rubber they use. And that was the reason why NEXY dreamed of "dual impact" can be possible on one side, too. But I will not write about "dual impact" here, because it's another story. Bang Impact means a stroke very fast in one moment when a blade touches the ball, and the hit was so powerful in that moment, that the ball goes deep into the rubber, even to impact on the wooden surface, making the sound of the wooden blade almost like cracking; "bang". And most top players were saying that a blade was fast when that blade could make this bang impact easily and steadily. They could make it easier when they used 5 ply and 7 ply wooden blades, because they felt as if the ball stayed a little longer than a thin surfac-carbon blade. When we use a thin wooden surface supported by a carbon ply, then the ball does not stay long enough to impact on the wooden surface through the rubber on it, and it generally goes off the rubber without making that bang sound. (Please, understand my insufficient English ability to describe this. I don't know much terminology for this description, and you need to use your imagination when you read this article.) Actually, we can not make sure that we can tell what blade has longer staying moments than others. If you record it with speed camera, then you will not be able to see the difference by calculative speed numbers. But the truth is, players are feeling those differences. Maybe, that is the reason why I use thicker surface woods for carbon ply blades, or use two layers on the carbon layer, and why Butterfly added more thickness on the hinoki surface onto their carbon - hinoki blades. For an example, when Butterfly first released Primrac Carbon blade, they used 0.5mm hinoki, but now they are using 1.0mm. And I am planning to use 1.2~1.4mm hinoki surface on the next coming "the fastest blade". Any way, it's not only about physical height of a ball's bounce, but it's a complex understanding about a blade. It has to be related with the ability of generating spin, of absoving the ball deep, and of making high curve of a flying ball, that makes the ball more stable. Therefore, I don't agree that I can tell you how you can judge or compare of a blade's speed, with several given scientific data. Rather I can say that this blade will be generally very fast, but some players who can not make "bang impact" will not think that they are that much fast. If a blade has only a physical high speed, then you will not be winning the matches, because you can not control the placement of the balls. Therefore, it's not very simple process how I design a blade to be fast. As for me, I don't use wooden plies from my stock for producing a sample, because always I need new thickness per each blade. I design each plies one by one by 0.1mm measurment differences, and I need to prepare all new woods cut into different thicknesses, so I need to check each plies's combination with time. That's why NEXY needs that long time to prepare one sample. And after a sample blade is prepared, I need to test it with enough time, some times several month, to find out what is missing, and what needs to be added. I am not sure I am giving you right answer you were expecting, but this is the best answer I could present to you for now. Thank you for all the interests you are pouring on the project "AKRASIA". ------------- Brand Manager of NEXY |
Posted By: tommyzai
Date Posted: 10/29/2014 at 10:49pm
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So cool that MYTT receive this level of personal interest and correspondence from a blade designer. These are exciting times. Lots of thought, creativity, and expertise goes into Nexy blades . . . really excellent! I'm very excited about the design, development, and production of AKRASIA. * "BANG IMPACT" is such a cool term.
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Posted By: frogger
Date Posted: 10/29/2014 at 11:53pm
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The fastest thing I know of is the speed of light. PHOTON CANNON OR WTF. Yes I like "WTF"  Somebody hit me again please. ------------- Wood Paddle Red side Black side. |
Posted By: Nexy
Date Posted: 10/30/2014 at 2:17am
I heard that big bang happened much much faster than the speed of light. And scientists are saying that was one the only exceptional faster speed than the light in our nature. However, I will name the final blade as "AKRASIA". ------------- Brand Manager of NEXY |
Posted By: SolidEvolution
Date Posted: 10/30/2014 at 6:00am
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On the subject of Akrasia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akrasia Interesting how even Socrates spent some time on this subject :) As for measuring the speed, there are of course a number of objective ways to do it. But I think most of them would involve some variables that might not reproduce or give the wrong idea. For instance if you used a 'fast spinny' rubber, you would on impact change momentum into friction and only by adding more speed on hitting you would send the ball off the bat faster then it approached. Throw in a player and the results would be as random as winning the lottery. If you remove as much as possible, I think you will get the fairest result as to the speed of the blade. Since you are after the speed which means rigidity, the rubber choice is a huge impact and might even mean you develop something totally else then the flat out fastest blade based on whatever rubber you test with. Just to clear up some mess I might have made on the last page:
The outer layer of the Stilo7 SVR blade is carbon, the rules state you are allowed to use 'other' materials only within the blade. Therefore it wouldn't really comply.
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Posted By: t64t64t64
Date Posted: 10/30/2014 at 4:03pm
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anyone here played with stilo7 svr? ------------- http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=61764&PID=734709 |
Posted By: frogger
Date Posted: 10/30/2014 at 4:20pm
Akrasia is a nice sounding name for a blade. As for the fastest rubber that is darn subjective but I would bet on a boosted 1QXD for a start.  ------------- Wood Paddle Red side Black side. |
Posted By: Dr.Cho
Date Posted: 10/30/2014 at 6:20pm
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I would think with the tag: fastest blade you might think of a slightly slower rubber to keep it on the blade a little longer and have ( some) control. also: if you google fastest wood type you get various woods. quebracho Black ironwood tiga barauna |
Posted By: tommyzai
Date Posted: 10/30/2014 at 6:37pm
I'm not a bladesmith, but I do fancy myself as a wordsmith (amateur) . . . Black Ironwood sounds inviting. ;-). I'm sure Oscar from Nexy will choose amazing woods for optimal speed and performance. ------------- For More Info, PM or Email me: [email protected] |
Posted By: Nexy
Date Posted: 10/30/2014 at 9:20pm
Thank you for the comment. But I don't rely that much on the composite ply. I will surely use a carbon ply, but it can not be very thick and hard one. Because I want to make a blade with a reasonably acceptable control and spin range. ------------- Brand Manager of NEXY |
Posted By: tommyzai
Date Posted: 10/30/2014 at 11:53pm
86 - 88g is nice, but less than 85 would be a weakling. ;-).
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Posted By: Nexy
Date Posted: 10/31/2014 at 2:15am
I am not compromising. I am just explaining what is the fast blade from NEXY's eyes. ------------- Brand Manager of NEXY |
Posted By: Dr.Cho
Date Posted: 10/31/2014 at 10:15am
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The wood called Quebracho is also called the "Axe Breaker". Should be easy to work with...kidding implied. Some of these woods must be harder to get. Also: out of the top 20 hardest woods 14 are from Australia.
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Posted By: Nexy
Date Posted: 10/31/2014 at 10:39pm
It's not good idea, not only for cost, but also for time we need for this idea. If we want to apply a new wood to a blade, then we need to cut that wood into many different thicknesses, and need to apply those slices into many different wood structures. The most simple way is to change the surface, while keeping all other structure the same as has been proven good for years, as STIGA has been doing. But for now, I am planning to test basically two well known woods, one is Kiso Hinoki, and the other one is "Koto". I can also test one more, but it will not be told until I can be sure after testing. Just one more thing to add. Hard wood has nothing to do with speedy blade design. They make the production process difficult, and they are generally heavy for a blade material, but we can not expect the final sample will be fast, only by checking that hard wood is used for it. I am already testing very hard wood with my next coming bladem "CHEDECH", but it's because that wood is surely effective for a surface in many ways, and I am planning to use it as thinnly cut, in order to make the functional feature maxmised, and the blade lighter. Any way, thank you for sharing infomations. ------------- Brand Manager of NEXY |
Posted By: arg0
Date Posted: 11/01/2014 at 4:37pm
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I've done and collected some measurements over the past years of EJ-ing. The fastest blade I've come across is Yinhe T-1, followed by Yinhe T-11, and Bty Schlager Carbon. The T-1 is the blade to beat for winning the challenge! ------------- Nexy Arche & Nittaku Violin LG. Join the forum_posts.asp?TID=47778" rel="nofollow - Nexy Clan ! Also member of Violin & 1-Ply clans. |
Posted By: tommyzai
Date Posted: 11/01/2014 at 8:12pm
Schlager Carbon, Sardius, Gergely, T-1, T-11 . . . I also think that's the direction to go, but even more solid, faster, and a nicer design (no problem for Nexy). ;-). ------------- For More Info, PM or Email me: [email protected] |
Posted By: Nexy
Date Posted: 11/02/2014 at 2:43am
T-1's surface is too thin to generate big spin. Lots of Chinese blade makers are making blades with thin surface supported by thick carbon layer, but most of them are not making heavy strokes. (Koreans say that balls are flying, not attacking.) If you play with these kinds of thin surface hinoki blades, then you will feel that balls are flying light, without hitting with the power into the opponent's blades. (I mean, so to speak, too bouncy) As I wrote, I would not use this thin surface, which will depend too much on the carbon ply's speed ability. Rather I would try to make a harmony with the whole structure, including the supportive ability of the carbon layer. ------------- Brand Manager of NEXY |
Posted By: arg0
Date Posted: 11/02/2014 at 2:46am
That's very wise. I was talking about speed alone. Personally, I'd never play with a T-1! ------------- Nexy Arche & Nittaku Violin LG. Join the forum_posts.asp?TID=47778" rel="nofollow - Nexy Clan ! Also member of Violin & 1-Ply clans. |
Posted By: Dr.Cho
Date Posted: 11/02/2014 at 11:11am
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With a FASTEST BLADE moniker, spin is not what your looking for anyway. Fastest would be SPEED not spin. So you would modify with materials used for the blade or rubber used on the blade. Just my 2 cents Dr of Cho
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Posted By: frogger
Date Posted: 11/02/2014 at 11:42am
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So once the project is complete will there be scientific evaluation as to ball speed? The world's fastest blade must have merit or all the efforts are in vain. ------------- Wood Paddle Red side Black side. |
Posted By: SolidEvolution
Date Posted: 11/02/2014 at 12:28pm
Exactly what I said, somebody get a chrono and clock that beast! And some other beasts so we can compare. I honestly don't think you can 'design' a blade to add spin. Going beyond the spin generated by rubber and sponge, wouldn't that just compromise the idea of FASTEST? Pretty sure people could take a blade that's just flat out fast and find the right rubber to it. Might even be refreshing to see people use rubbers we regard as 'slower' just cause they generate the right spin. They'll be faster then usual anyhow. Makes me think Tommyzai has a point in wanting the FASTEST.
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Posted By: Nexy
Date Posted: 11/02/2014 at 11:30pm
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I realized that I need to define what I value when I design a speedy blade. Some people might think that "SPEED" can be evaluated separately from "SPIN". Yes, I think that's possible, and meaningful. But as a player, I don't want to produce a dumn fast blade without good spin. Because we are making a blade for a match, not for a physical data. A ball without good spin does not help us to win a match. Pure speed of a ball does not gaurantee good placememt, either. If a ball flies with a high curve, then we can be sure that it will fall down after passing the net, by thus we can make the ball touch the inside of a table. If the ball flies only speedily and high, then it can easily pass by the edge of the table. And if a ball does not have spin, then the opponent can easily block the ball. Therefore, I will continue to consider two aspects together. If there are some people want to find only speedy blade without considering the spin, and power, which can be judged by those two factors, then they can easily find one. Thick, heavy blades are generally speedy, whatever material they are containing. And I will not try to make another boring blade. ------------- Brand Manager of NEXY |
Posted By: tommyzai
Date Posted: 11/02/2014 at 11:42pm
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Some of the beloved discontinued super fast blades had both . . . speed and spin. I'm confident Nexy can design a rocket launcher that can make the ball spin in many directions, not just a straight line to the target!
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Posted By: Dr.Cho
Date Posted: 11/03/2014 at 10:16am
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I like the way you guys think. Its obvious we need some spin, otherwise a loop would not work in the way it does. Looping is a large part of Table Tennis. But also i do not believe a speedy ball is easy to block. It sounds like a fine line with speed being more of a consideration when making this monster. I am positive Mr Moon has the expertise to find that balance. I recently have been working with various products to harden the surface of wood on blades Mr Moon pm me if your interested. Dr Cho |
Posted By: Nexy
Date Posted: 11/04/2014 at 9:03pm
Thank you Dr. Cho. Is it sealing material? If you have good product, I will try to test that. Thank you. ------------- Brand Manager of NEXY |
Posted By: tommyzai
Date Posted: 11/04/2014 at 10:37pm
Please note, my challenge was based on filling a void left by the discontinued solid, speedy carbon blades . . . and creating something better. Those blades, like Schlager Carbon, were super fast and still good for looping!
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Posted By: tommyzai
Date Posted: 11/13/2014 at 12:41pm
+1. Just wish I could be spin's master. Speed will soon be my slave. ;-). ------------- For More Info, PM or Email me: [email protected] |
Posted By: Nexy
Date Posted: 12/02/2014 at 9:17pm
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EUREKA ------------- Brand Manager of NEXY |
Posted By: bbkon
Date Posted: 12/02/2014 at 11:18pm
I would call the fastest blade "exodus" since the point would be end quickly ,what about compressed wood and vertical aligned plies? Looking for a schalger carbon clone
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Posted By: Nexy
Date Posted: 12/04/2014 at 11:12pm
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Nexy is now openning the forth wave of NEXY with "AKRASIA". You will know why I said "EUREKA", when you meet AKRASIA. AKRASIA will be very fast, extremely fast, but also able to generate big spin, specially with "poly ball". It has good power, when you smash the ball, and specially better with poly ball. I am pretty sure this blade will be a monster blade, but also a dominant blade for poly ball age. "Hinoki surface" will not be adopted, because it was not easy surface wood to produce very fast, and adjustable blade for poly ball. I will inform more soon. ------------- Brand Manager of NEXY |
Posted By: tommyzai
Date Posted: 12/05/2014 at 3:10am
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Wow!! I can't wait to check out Akrasia. Most Nexy blades feature a Hinoki top ply. I'm very curious to see which wood was chosen for such a speed demon blade. ------------- For More Info, PM or Email me: [email protected] |
Posted By: mahomedy13
Date Posted: 12/05/2014 at 4:09am
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Wow! When nexy says they have designed something for a purpose,i know i will not be let down.
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Posted By: BH-Man
Date Posted: 12/05/2014 at 8:26pm
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If I ever design a fast blade with the purpose of making the ball go away, FAST, I will be different from the industry that uses 3 letters to abbreviate their blade. TBS, ALC, ZLC, ZLF are very common terms in the blade industry.
My blade will have FOUR letters.
GTFO
Yes everyone, when you hit the ball solidly with my fast blade, the ball will get the heck gone in a hurry.  ------------- Korea Foreign Table Tennis Club Search for us on Facebook: koreaforeignttc |
Posted By: BH-Man
Date Posted: 12/05/2014 at 11:59pm
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A contact I know says that at the SPiN Friday night tourney Wally Green announces the same acronym whenever someone blasts a ball by someone. ------------- Korea Foreign Table Tennis Club Search for us on Facebook: koreaforeignttc |
Posted By: baribari
Date Posted: 12/06/2014 at 7:58pm
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The fastest blade would be made out of solid titanium and about three inches wide. But it would basically be uncontrollable. And illegal, since racquets have to be at least 85% wood. |
Posted By: SolidEvolution
Date Posted: 12/07/2014 at 12:02pm
Now I'm curious about how you get such a seemingly specific number?
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Posted By: Nexy
Date Posted: 12/20/2014 at 4:44am
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Before releasing "AKRASIA", I prepared one article how I developed NEXY blade design. It will be divided into three parts (three generations), and after three parts were done, I will tell you what is the main feature of 'AKRASIA' considering the whole contents of the article. This article will be shared with "NEXY designer's diary" thread, too. ------------------------------------------------------------------- NEXY’S BLADE DESIGN HISTORY Nexy’s web domain is very simple and easy to remember. It’s difficult to find a good four-letter domain name for a brand these days. I bought and registered the domain back in 2002. I dreamt of opening a new brand with that name for many years, and finally in 2009, I launched www.Nexy.com. 1. FIRST GENERATION My original idea for Nexy blades was much different than it is today. I had been a Tibhar agent since 2007 and a Stiga agent since 2010. I had the opportunity to study hundreds of good quality blades. However, when I first began Nexy’s blade line I stopped studying blades and began analyzing my findings. I focused on creating something very different from the blade line of those two brands. I wanted Nexy to produce different blades rather than better blades. If I tried to make better blades, then I would have been studying, upgrading, and copying part of Tibhar and Stiga’s original designs, which is something I was careful not to do! Nexy’s first-generation had to be different; it had to be unique. Therefore, I did not copy and improve other company’s blades; I created my own from scratch. Nexy’s First-Generation (also called “The First Wave”) was born. I aimed it to be incomparable to other brands. I organized the blade design into five categories: 1. 5-ply, with Hinoki surface. Fastest ever 5-ply blade – DEXTER 2. 5-ply, with Hinoki surface with good feeling and a heavy touch – COLOR 3. Hinoki carbon blade with a natural feeling – HANNIBAL 4. Hinoki arylate carbon blade with a natural feeling – OSCAR 5. Other blades: Hinoki Japanese penholder blades – ISKANDAR and TEMUJIN; Hinoki one-ply shakehand blade – LAUREL; Handmade carbon blade – SAHARA. I tried to make those blades unique and I often used a Hinoki surface, partly because European brands did not have the top quality Hinoki, which separated Nexy blades from the two other brands. I carefully studied carbon material. At that time, blade designers categorized carbon layers into either hard or soft carbon. Hard carbon was Butterfly’s main material, while Stiga used soft carbon. I tested many different types of carbon and arylate carbon layers. I adopted a very light, but powerful carbon and arylate carbon layer for Hannibal and Oscar. They provided a good feeling along with high speed and power. After several months, Nexy’s first-generation blades were completed. I was somewhat satisfied, but I felt something big was missing. The blades were good, but not unique! They weren’t much different from other brands’ blades. I thought deeply and questioned my intention and purpose for blade designing — And I would soon discover it! (will be continued soon) ------------- Brand Manager of NEXY |
Posted By: tommyzai
Date Posted: 12/20/2014 at 1:09pm
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Looking forward to the rest of the story . . . ------------- For More Info, PM or Email me: [email protected] |
Posted By: Nexy
Date Posted: 12/21/2014 at 8:52pm
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NEXY's blade design history (2) 2. SECOND GENERATION After completing the first-generation blades, I came up with a new concept that I called, “point and plane.” Generally, table tennis rubbers and blades are judged by two factors — speed and control, and normally players think those two factors are interrelated. However, in most cases, speedy blades have worse control than slow blades. Since the ITTF ban on speed gluing, the demand for spin greatly increased. Initially, many table tennis companies focused on how they could equip their rubbers with better speed, but soon realized they needed to focus more on spin. This caused a revolutionary development in rubber production. As a blade designer, I also considered speed, control, and spin, and I tried to figure out how I could insert a powerful spin generating ability into my Nexy blades. That was the moment I came up with this new concept “point and plane”. What makes a table tennis ball spin? Many people think that the ball rolls on the rubber when a player hits the ball. Actually, a ball does not roll — it impacts the rubber, twisting the top sheet and sponge. The ball is spun when the rubber tries to recover back to its original form. It’s all about the rubber’s character while returning to its original form. Therefore, if you have a slow stroke, your rubber needs to respond accordingly to match your slow movement. But if you have fast stroke, your rubber needs to recoil quickly into its original shape. If your movement is fast, but your rubber’s movement is slower than your swing, then your return will be weak. Regardless, it’s apparent that there is a crucial moment when a ball impacts the rubber, twists it, and is catapulted by the rubber recoiling to its original shape. I chose to focus on this specific moment. If Nexy could make players experience that moment, then I could claim to have created something different. I adopted the term “bang impact” in order to explain the explosive contact of a ball on the rubbers. The contact was so powerful that a ball could touch the wooden surface through the rubber. I tried to design a blade that has a different character between blocking, standard strokes, and bang impact. The blade had to have several distinct functional features. When a player uses the blade for blocking, it makes the ball fly short and gives the player a more stable defense. But for attacking, if a player makes a bang impact, then the ball is driven with power and speed. This is where I coined the term “dual impact” or “dual speed.” In order to equip this dual impact to the second-generation blades, I slept many nights on the question, “How can I make dual impact possible on a real blade?” I rechecked all the blade compositions I went through and came to realize that there are two factors to consider. Those are “point” and “plane.” In order to make the blade absorb the impact of the ball while blocking, I needed to use a “plane,” which means the whole blade acts to receive the power of the ball, embracing it and reducing it into something smaller. But when I wanted to make a powerful shot in attacking, I needed to make use of the blade’s one spot as a solid point where the ball’s energy was focused and rebounded in the return. I also discovered the importance of designing an ideal width for each composition, which also affected the blade’s final character. I attempted to combine one layer to serve as a “plane” and another layer to serve as a “point.” That was how I designed LISSOM. And that’s how Nexy’s second-generation began. Here is the list of those blades: • SPEAR: Deep impact, solid response, and controlled dual impact. • LISSOM: Maximized dual impact and oriented for continuous looping. • CALIX: Big dual impact and extremely thin attacking blade (4.9mm) • CALIX 2: Medium dual impact with moderate power and balanced feeling and speed. • QABOD: Medium dual impact, with a solid feel and good speed. • AMAZON: Controlled dual impact, using white ash surface wood and a balanced shape. • SPARTACUS: Controlled dual impact, featuring Japanese Hinoki surface. ------------- Brand Manager of NEXY |
Posted By: tommyzai
Date Posted: 12/23/2014 at 11:40am
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I can't wait to experience the fastest blade. ------------- For More Info, PM or Email me: [email protected] |
Posted By: Nexy
Date Posted: 12/28/2014 at 8:24pm
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3. THIRD GENERATION While focusing on “dual impact,” I tried to scatter that concept on a variety of blades, from fast carbon blade (QABOD) to thin and slower carbon blade (CALIX), to embracing limba surface (SPEAR) and kiso Hinoki (SPARTACUS). Along the way I discovered the benefits of burnt wooden material. I tested many kinds of burnt woods, and I applied the burning process to a few of Nexy’s elite second-generation blades, CALIX, CALIX 2, and QABOD. I also applied the burnt wood technique to Amazon and Spartacus. When a wood layer is burnt, it becomes thinner and lighter, which make the layer slightly different from a raw wooden layer. After extensive research, I realized how attractive a blade made with burnt wood could be. But unlike the second-generation blades, I decided not to burn all the plies of the third-generation line. Instead, I focused more on how I could support the natural raw wooden surface with the burnt wood core, thus creating a light and speedy blade. For the second-generation, I tried to apply dual impact for varieties of raw wooden to completely burnt blades, starting with the thinnest attacking blade CALIX, to the fast attacking blade QABOD, to the soft Hinoki surface blade SPARTACUS, to thin but hard surface white ash AMAZON and LISSOM. The second-generation blades covered a wide range of speed and feeling. I extensively experimented until I found what is good and unique. Three years of testing led to the Nexy’s third-generation, which is different from other two generations in the following three ways: 1. Third generation blades use a raw wooden surface, but the center layers are burnt. 2. Speed, size, and feeling converge! I did not want to make them very fast, but not slow either. All the blades are rated approximately Off-, but they are very fast when they are used for looping with “bang impact”. “Dual Impact” was also converged on a moderate scale. Touch and an excellent feeling were also noticeable. Most blades aimed to provide a pleasant, rather than huge feeling and vibration. They were not too stiff, not too flexy. Overall, the third-generation blades were a unified group of attacking blades with “moderate dual impact” and “light and pleasant feeling.” Each with a balanced weight and size. 3. Nexy adopted the new concept “depth” for the third-generation blades. I studied my development of the second-generation blades, and came up with this concept — It’s not about blade’s thickness, nor is it about the actual depth; It’s about where the impact of the ball is felt inside the blade. Regarding “depth,” in general, two factors are considered when designing a blade — speed and control. But Nexy introduced another factor when designing the “second-generation” blades. I applied “dual impact” and that significantly affected the “spin generating ability.” That was a very attractive concept. It intoxicated me, and I continued to focus on it. But I came to realize that “Dual Impact” also needed to be modulated. The third-generation blades hover around moderate scale. But this process opened my eyes for the next level of blade design. That was a concept of “depth.” At some point I stopped writing continuously about how I develop blades, and I did not say much about Nexy’s third-generation. However, the third-generation blades are really well thought out and carefully conceptualized down to the smallest detail, such as “dual impact”, weight balance, handle comfort, spin, speed, and even “depth” — where players feel the ball. I realized that “depth” is the very core factor that characterizes a certain feature of a blade. For example, I used a thin but hard wooden surface for the KIM JUNG HOON blade, which was released under the Tibhar brand name. It is supported by a soft, but pointing (converging the blade power on one point) second layer. If I did not use a soft second layer, then the blade would not have enough depth to generate good control and spin. If I increased the surface thickness, then the depth would not rely on the soft second layer, and ball would only be felt on the surface. That would kill the good functional feature of the KIM JUNG HOON blade. This blade’s biggest feature is to make the ball bounce high. Even an experienced blocker will be surprised when a ball flies higher than the usual curve, and that was possible by this “depth” arrangement. For Hinoki surface blades, such as INCA (another Tibhar blade, but designed by me) and ARIRANG, I tried to support the soft Hinoki surface with composite layers and blade surface thickness. I also carefully considered the depth of the impact. As a result, all the blades were carefully examined with the fourth factor; “depth.” SUMMARY Nexy’s first-generation focused on “speed” and “control,” the second-generation added, “spin,” and the third-generation added “depth.” Here is the list of the third-generation blades: •PETERPAN: Powerful, but balanced 5-ply blade. •INCA: Speedy, but light feeling Hinoki carbon blade •ARIRANG: Powerful carbon blade with aramid carbon layer •KIM JUNG HOON: Powerful 7-ply blade with a high curve, long trajectory, and moderate dual impact •OZ (Chinese Penholder only). Powerful attacking blade with a Hinoki surface. •AKTIUM: Defensive blade with different surface woods on each side •KANAPH: This is 3.5-generation blade, following the third-generation. It is a thin, but speedy Hinoki carbon blade. ------------- Brand Manager of NEXY |
Posted By: Nexy
Date Posted: 12/28/2014 at 8:26pm
Now, I have one sample blade, with exceptionally high speed, but also with good spin and control. But I would not show that, until I finallize small details about handles. So, just wait a little more. ------------- Brand Manager of NEXY |
Posted By: jrscatman
Date Posted: 12/28/2014 at 9:08pm
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Very interesting articles. Could you describe to us how a blade is actually designed and built. Is it mostly a trial and error method? ------------- Butterfly MPS FH: Donic Acuda S1 BH: Palio CK531A OX |
Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 12/29/2014 at 3:53am
Mr. Moon, it has carbon layers I'm sure  ------------- Independent online TT Product reviewer of XIOM, STIGA, JOOLA, SANWEI, GEWO, AIR, ITC, APEX, YASAKA and ABROS ITTF Level 1 Coaching Course Conductor, ITTF Level 1 Coach |
Posted By: Nexy
Date Posted: 12/29/2014 at 9:34pm
Yes, I think it is becoming generally required layer for most players in poly ball age. ------------- Brand Manager of NEXY |
Posted By: Nexy
Date Posted: 12/29/2014 at 9:40pm
When I first started to design a blade, I studied many other blades and researched what is common and what is unique. And I mixed them with the functional features of each blade. Still the result I could get after analyzing all the data was not much helpful, because what I got was not what I expected. But now, I have been designing almost 8 years, and I have a very sharp feeling about blade design, and what I presume in the beginning does not differ much in the final sample. So, it became easier than before. Any way, I use "traial and error" method, too. But it is done by many testers, including me, because I can not be suer what I intended was to be generally acceptable in the market. So, it's a part of blade design. But it does not fall on the beginning part. I think this is very unique process. I know several other blade designers, and they just try many different compositions and select what they like, and they do some more minute adjustment. But I start with thinking and imagining what I want, and I traject that into the sample. ------------- Brand Manager of NEXY |
Posted By: jrscatman
Date Posted: 12/29/2014 at 10:43pm
Thank you, I am interested in blade design - in doing some research - it appears to me (as a complete beginner) it is hard predict the quality of the wood. Even with very high quality control, each piece of wood will have it's own characteristics. So how does a company produce all the blades to behave similarly? I would think this is extremely difficult to do. Good luck with your new designs. ------------- Butterfly MPS FH: Donic Acuda S1 BH: Palio CK531A OX |
Posted By: tommyzai
Date Posted: 12/30/2014 at 2:22am
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I am very excited to see what Nexy creates! ------------- For More Info, PM or Email me: [email protected] |
Posted By: Nexy
Date Posted: 12/30/2014 at 7:47pm
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I am designing three blades, now. Chedech is about to be released in a few days, and two others are "AKRASIA" and "ZEALOT". ZEALOT is fast wooden blade, developed from "KIM JUNG HOON". AKRASIA is the one I started to design with the aim to make the fastest blade in the world. Here you can see the picture of those two blades.   ------------- Brand Manager of NEXY |
Posted By: tommyzai
Date Posted: 01/05/2015 at 12:26am
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Sharp looking blades!!! VERY cool. ------------- For More Info, PM or Email me: [email protected] |
Posted By: Nexy
Date Posted: 02/05/2015 at 1:06am
It is going very smooth. But as always, AKRASIA is taking more time than other brands, because NEXY needs to gather lots of test results before finallizing the design. Right now, it's almost done with many tests. Just wait a few more weeks, and I will show the final blade here. ------------- Brand Manager of NEXY |
Posted By: tommyzai
Date Posted: 02/05/2015 at 7:18am
Not surprisingly, I am very excited about AKRASIA!!! ------------- For More Info, PM or Email me: [email protected] |
Posted By: JRSDallas
Date Posted: 02/23/2015 at 11:40pm
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Nexy, Are you designing and testing Akrasia to be the fastest blade for the 40+ plastic ball? If yes, do you also expect it to be the fastest blade for the 40mm celluloid ball? v/r, JRSDallas ------------- Galaxy T1 89 gm FH: HRT Huaruite Wujilong 2 - Dragon 2 II, Max, Black Donic Acuda S2, Max, Red |
Posted By: asifgunz
Date Posted: 03/05/2015 at 9:31pm
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Sanwei 19 ply 1091 anyone? -------------  "I do not have any idols. I am my own idol." - Zhang Jike Feedback: http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=71761&PN=1#905629 |
Posted By: CipheR
Date Posted: 03/05/2015 at 9:59pm
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LACK OF SELF CONTROL!!! ------------- ㅈㅈ지지ㅎㅎㅋㅋ Nittaku Custom Blade FH: Neo Hurricane 3 Provincial BH: Xiom Musa |
Posted By: JRSDallas
Date Posted: 04/05/2015 at 11:17pm
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Nexy, Any news on the AKRASIA? ------------- Galaxy T1 89 gm FH: HRT Huaruite Wujilong 2 - Dragon 2 II, Max, Black Donic Acuda S2, Max, Red |
Posted By: _maddic
Date Posted: 07/26/2015 at 11:37pm
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Any reviews on akrasia and how it compares to existing nexy blades ? ie: kanaph |
Posted By: tommyzai
Date Posted: 07/26/2015 at 11:48pm
I haven't bought one yet, but once I do I'll try to compare. I'd also be interested in any comparisons. Anyone feel like sharing? ;-). ------------- For More Info, PM or Email me: [email protected] |
Posted By: _maddic
Date Posted: 07/27/2015 at 1:52am
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Hopefully , someone well-versed in korean language can help with this *from tak9.com's comments on akrasia google translate isnt any help here ;<
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