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Topic: Hurricane Long 5 vs Innerforce ALC
Posted By: slevin
Subject: Hurricane Long 5 vs Innerforce ALC
Date Posted: 10/27/2014 at 8:12pm
Anyone that has tried these blades that can compare. They are both ALC blades with 2 outer wood layers before ALC layer (with the outermost layer being limba).

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Posted By: slevin
Date Posted: 10/29/2014 at 11:31am
anyone, anyone; Bueller?

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Posted By: DreiZ
Date Posted: 10/29/2014 at 2:24pm
I've never tried either but before I bought my TB ALC I was very much interested in IF ALC. That was my second choice. IF ALC is same construction as MMAZE except the ALC layer is inner which should give it a more woody and slightly softer feel over other blades like TBS, TB ALC, Viscaria, etc.
(Limba-limba-alc-ayous-alc-limba-lmba)
debraj might have some more insight on Innerforce series.

HL5 seems like a brick. Over 100g!!....To me it seems like an overpriced, overweight IF ALC.

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Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 10/29/2014 at 2:37pm
I used both 2 yrs apart at different playing strengths. The feel is similar but ML possibly feels better. IF has more control. The ML head size is bigger and it has a narrower flare grip with fatter ends.

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Posted By: slevin
Date Posted: 08/22/2016 at 10:41am
I recently got 2 90g (thickness is close to 6.1mm) HL5 blades from Paddle Palace (they get it direct from DHS, so I think they are genuine). So, I can now answer my question on the comparison (in case anyone has the question).

The compositions are slightly different (HL5 has Ayous as 2nd layer. IF-ALC has limba). This means that the HL5 is slightly bouncier and a stroke with HL5 has less spin (if you don't brush) as compared to a similar stroke with IF-ALC (or a Viscaria or a MJ-SZLC). Of course, if you brush, it has same spin (as IF-ALC. More than Viscaria. Same as MJ-SZLC).

But the HL5 is a much more offensive blade (than the IF-ALC) and much more fun to play with. The difference is due to it's extra length. This gives it fantastic catapault and flex. It is a more powerful blade than the IF-ALC or the Viscaria (though it is less bouncy than the Viscaria).

I heard about its thin FL handle before. I absolutely can't play with the BTY Timo Boll FL handles (too thin). But the HL5 FL handles are possibly the best I've played with (along with the Stiga Legend FL handles). They are long and create a balanced blade.

The blade weight shall be high (because of large size). I currently have MX-P / T05 and it is 195gms. But it is very balanced.


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Posted By: Roger Stillabower
Date Posted: 08/22/2016 at 10:56am
I have 4 ML-5 blades weighing different from 86 grams to 91 grams. I use H3 blue #22 sponge on f/h and Ten 05 or Rakza 7 on b/h. I bought the new IF-ALC to compare. The IF-ALC I got was to fast, faster than my Viscaria, it was uncontrollable for me. I don't know if I got a weird one or not, but I bought it from Butterfly N.A. when they first got them. But I love the HL-5 not to fast but has a lot of control.

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Posted By: TurboZ
Date Posted: 08/22/2016 at 11:43am
DHS has released a revised version of HL5 not long ago. It has a smaller head size of 150 x 156mm and shred a few grams in weight. It is suppose to be closer to what ML is using. Would like to read any review comparing the two in play.  

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Posted By: piligrim
Date Posted: 08/22/2016 at 12:00pm
HL5 much faster then IF


Posted By: Da Baobei
Date Posted: 08/22/2016 at 12:04pm
Originally posted by Roger Stillabower Roger Stillabower wrote:

I have 4 ML-5 blades weighing different from 86 grams to 91 grams. I use H3 blue #22 sponge on f/h and Ten 05 or Rakza 7 on b/h. I bought the new IF-ALC to compare. The IF-ALC I got was to fast, faster than my Viscaria, it was uncontrollable for me. I don't know if I got a weird one or not, but I bought it from Butterfly N.A. when they first got them. But I love the HL-5 not to fast but has a lot of control.


Your IF must be a monster if it is faster than a HL5. Do you know the weight?


Posted By: Roger Stillabower
Date Posted: 08/22/2016 at 12:09pm
It weighed 89 grams, like I posted I think it was a weird one.

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Posted By: Roger Stillabower
Date Posted: 08/22/2016 at 12:13pm
I trimmed one of my HL-5 down to about 157x150 to get the weight down and I can't tell any difference in play, maybe a little more rigid feel, less flex.

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Posted By: slevin
Date Posted: 08/22/2016 at 5:44pm
& oh yes: the feel / feedback from HL5 is MUCH better than that from any Viscaria - no matter how black it's tag is or how scaly the koto can get.

This & my MJ-SZLC are my favorite composite blades (though they are pretty different from each other in terms of their properties / good points).


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Posted By: asifgunz
Date Posted: 08/22/2016 at 10:33pm
slevin would one of those to hl5 go on sale soon >:D ?


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Posted By: slevin
Date Posted: 08/23/2016 at 12:31am
Originally posted by asifgunz asifgunz wrote:

slevin would one of those to hl5 go on sale soon >:D ?

No, I'm keeping them.


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Posted By: neon
Date Posted: 08/23/2016 at 1:49am
Hello friends, What is the size of the head of ma long 5? Thanks.


Posted By: tom
Date Posted: 08/23/2016 at 9:41am
how is the Nittaku ML Carbon related to ML5 and has anyone played with it?


Posted By: slevin
Date Posted: 08/23/2016 at 10:30am
Originally posted by tom tom wrote:

how is the Nittaku ML Carbon related to ML5 and has anyone played with it?

different. NMLC is like DHS HK3


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Posted By: tom
Date Posted: 08/23/2016 at 10:48am
Originally posted by slevin slevin wrote:

Originally posted by tom tom wrote:

how is the Nittaku ML Carbon related to ML5 and has anyone played with it?

different. NMLC is like DHS HK3

Slevin, you really know your shit.  I looked further into it and got similar findings.  Thanks.


Posted By: slevin
Date Posted: 08/23/2016 at 11:34am
Originally posted by neon neon wrote:

Hello friends, What is the size of the head of ma long 5? Thanks.

Don't know the official size.

I measured and got 159x152.


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Posted By: tazdevil
Date Posted: 08/23/2016 at 1:22pm
TTWorld 2015 Nov issue has a comparison against the two (it was against the old version of ML5), it does mentioned that Inn ALC has the center of gravity while ML5 is more at the head (but I would imagine this being changed with the new ML5 edition...).  It also mentions that the ML5 is more user friendly (believe it or not...).  Apologize that I don't have chance to translate the whole paragraph.






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Posted By: slevin
Date Posted: 08/23/2016 at 2:19pm
Is this a badly auto-translated version of the same article?:

Analytical butterfly Innerforce ALC and DHS Hurricane Long different and the same 5







Butterfly Inn ALC




Hurricane Long 5






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Posted By: tazdevil
Date Posted: 08/23/2016 at 2:41pm
Wow, yes, that would look like the article translated to English.  Amazing that someone would take the effort to feed it through a transalter program.

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Posted By: lucifer
Date Posted: 08/23/2016 at 3:43pm
it looks like  the second and sixth layer of innerforce alc are thinner.
Other than that and maybe the thickness of the center ply they are the same.

They are definitely blades for booster or new rubbers.
Not the type of blade to slap an old tensor or tenergy and play with it right away.


Posted By: Roger Stillabower
Date Posted: 08/23/2016 at 4:57pm
Originally posted by lucifer lucifer wrote:

it looks like  the second and sixth layer of innerforce alc are thinner.
Other than that and maybe the thickness of the center ply they are the same.

They are definitely blades for booster or new rubbers.
Not the type of blade to slap an old tensor or tenergy and play with it right away.

Have you played with these blades lucifer ?



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Posted By: lucifer
Date Posted: 08/23/2016 at 5:42pm
I have a hl5, didn't like the original size so sanded it down to viscaria size.
it needs powerful rubbers because it's more control oriented.
I use rubbers for long periods so that's why I ended up using viscaria and hl5 is in a box.


Posted By: slevin
Date Posted: 08/23/2016 at 5:48pm
If you sand it down, it is no longer a HL5. The whole point of that blade is in its catapault combined with lower-than-viscaria bounciness. Other soft / flexy blades have it but HL5 is not soft. It's outer seems hard limba (like that of the MJ-SZLC) and the feeling is solid (my blades are around 6.1mm thick).

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Posted By: lucifer
Date Posted: 08/23/2016 at 6:00pm
I had it for a long time with the original size.
When I slimmed it down I was already sure this was not the blade for me.

I think with new t05 I didn't feel that much difference with viscaria.
But with old rubbers it was clear viscaria was spinier and more sharp.


Posted By: Roger Stillabower
Date Posted: 08/23/2016 at 6:03pm
slevin, the HL-5's I have feel soft to me where my Viscaria feels hard. I guess we all have different feel. But every blade that I have played with Limba outer ply has felt soft and holds the ball longer than Koto outer ply, that is why I prefer Limba outer ply blades over Koto.

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Posted By: ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Date Posted: 08/23/2016 at 6:09pm
http://i.imgur.com/o7YjirO.jpg
Some things in life are just too beautiful to consider selling, especially when you are destroying your competition with it. And yeah prices have gone up badly on the entire Long range!



Posted By: Saitama
Date Posted: 08/23/2016 at 6:28pm
Hey slevin some say that HL5 performs the same as fang bo alc? Is that true? Do they have the same compsition


Posted By: Roger Stillabower
Date Posted: 08/23/2016 at 6:35pm
I've almost bought a FB blade, the ALC one, but it is suppose to be same as the HL-5 in construction with a smaller head size, 150x157 I think.

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Posted By: lucifer
Date Posted: 08/23/2016 at 6:36pm
Originally posted by Roger Stillabower Roger Stillabower wrote:

slevin, the HL-5's I have feel soft to me where my Viscaria feels hard. I guess we all have different feel. But every blade that I have played with Limba outer ply has felt soft and holds the ball longer than Koto outer ply, that is why I prefer Limba outer ply blades over Koto.


of course hl5 has softer feel.
It's limba -> thick layer of wood -> carbon
viscaria is koto -> carbon -> wood

there's no question about this.

the real deal now is the fang bo blade.
small head, same composition as hl5, cheap price (60 usd).



Posted By: Roger Stillabower
Date Posted: 08/23/2016 at 6:44pm
I just read that the FB ALC blade has Koto outer ply.

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Posted By: lucifer
Date Posted: 08/23/2016 at 7:25pm
not likely, he was using hl5 before..........................


Posted By: Roger Stillabower
Date Posted: 08/23/2016 at 7:50pm
check PROTT.CC web site, they list outer ply Koto.
Why would he have his own blade if it was identical to the HL-5 ?

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Posted By: lucifer
Date Posted: 08/23/2016 at 7:56pm
limba 100%
https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1p.5iLXXXXXaJXFXXq6xXFXXXk/DHS-Original-2016-New-Hurricane-font-b-BO-b-font-2-Hurricane-B2-for-font-b.jpg


Posted By: Roger Stillabower
Date Posted: 08/23/2016 at 8:06pm
I can't get anything from what your posting.

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Posted By: lucifer
Date Posted: 08/23/2016 at 8:13pm
look pic, if you can't tell it's limba we should not talk anymore.


Posted By: TurboZ
Date Posted: 08/23/2016 at 8:14pm
Hurricane Bo ALC (B2) has the same head size as new HL5 of 150 x 156mm. Suppose the top ply is also limba, the same as HL5 but harder according to DHS. Both new HL5 and HB1 and HB2 are on sale at TT11 now. 

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Posted By: TurboZ
Date Posted: 08/23/2016 at 8:24pm
The 7 ply all wood Hurricane B1 has Koto top. B2 does have the same look as HL5. 

Below are HL5 (left) and B2 ALC (right).



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Posted By: Roger Stillabower
Date Posted: 08/23/2016 at 8:43pm
I can't tell by looking at the pictures, sorry.

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Posted By: Saitama
Date Posted: 08/23/2016 at 10:16pm
Looks the same to me.


Posted By: TurboZ
Date Posted: 08/23/2016 at 10:30pm
In Prott, they only say the all wood B1 with Koto top ply. There is no mention of Koto in the description of B2. The picture indicating the Koto top ply belongs to B1, not B2 (ALC). Prott has put the wrong picture there. 


All wood B1 with koto (above). B2 ALC with different wood (below)



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Posted By: Roger Stillabower
Date Posted: 08/23/2016 at 10:38pm
I still think the FB ALC blade has a Koto outer ply just like his 7 ply all wood. Why would he have a blade with his name on it made by DHS same as the HL-5 ? That don't really make any sense.

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Posted By: kurokami
Date Posted: 08/23/2016 at 11:05pm
Originally posted by slevin slevin wrote:

& oh yes: the feel / feedback from HL5 is MUCH better than that from any Viscaria - no matter how black it's tag is or how scaly the koto can get.

This & my MJ-SZLC are my favorite composite blades (though they are pretty different from each other in terms of their properties / good points).

wat...looking to trade in my vis lol


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Posted By: TurboZ
Date Posted: 08/23/2016 at 11:06pm
DHS made B2 harder than HL5. Just like W968 is harder than W997 but they all share the same structure. After all ML used W997 and later W968 while FB used W968 and B2 lately. The harder B2 does made perfect sense for FB. But then I bet what FB is using is better than commercial B2 anyway. 

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Posted By: kurokami
Date Posted: 08/23/2016 at 11:08pm
Originally posted by lucifer lucifer wrote:

Originally posted by Roger Stillabower Roger Stillabower wrote:

slevin, the HL-5's I have feel soft to me where my Viscaria feels hard. I guess we all have different feel. But every blade that I have played with Limba outer ply has felt soft and holds the ball longer than Koto outer ply, that is why I prefer Limba outer ply blades over Koto.


of course hl5 has softer feel.
It's limba -> thick layer of wood -> carbon
viscaria is koto -> carbon -> wood

there's no question about this.

the real deal now is the fang bo blade.
small head, same composition as hl5, cheap price (60 usd).


vis is soft. if it feels stiff, you probably have a light one. that's the only explanation i can think of. unless you're used to playing maze, arylate wood, or some soft wood like OC. knocking on it may feel hard but when u spin or block with it, it's very soft for an A/C hence soft feel label.


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Posted By: TurboZ
Date Posted: 08/23/2016 at 11:10pm
Originally posted by Saitama Saitama wrote:

Looks the same to me.

HL5 and B2 are meant to look the same with same material. 


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Posted By: lucifer
Date Posted: 08/24/2016 at 6:34am
probably carbonado is pretty similar too.
just a touch harder and faster.


Posted By: slevin
Date Posted: 08/24/2016 at 8:02am
Originally posted by lucifer lucifer wrote:

probably carbonado is pretty similar too.
just a touch harder and faster.


No.

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Posted By: lucifer
Date Posted: 08/24/2016 at 8:28am
I still think carbonado is closer to hl5 than maze.
cause maze has kiri center which is another world.


Posted By: tom
Date Posted: 08/24/2016 at 12:30pm
anyone played with B2 and opinion?


Posted By: danjacob02
Date Posted: 08/25/2016 at 6:36am
Originally posted by tom tom wrote:

anyone played with B2 and opinion?

I've played with both the HL5 and B2. HL5 is flexier and has more dwell time. B2 is harder and stiffer and is better for blocks. For a looper the HL5 would be better. The B2 would be better for those who like to block with their backhand or is an all-around player and loops with their Bhand less. Well still boils down to personal preference. Speed for both blades is about the same IMHO.


Posted By: tom
Date Posted: 08/25/2016 at 10:59am
Originally posted by danjacob02 danjacob02 wrote:

Originally posted by tom tom wrote:

anyone played with B2 and opinion?

I've played with both the HL5 and B2. HL5 is flexier and has more dwell time. B2 is harder and stiffer and is better for blocks. For a looper the HL5 would be better. The B2 would be better for those who like to block with their backhand or is an all-around player and loops with their Bhand less. Well still boils down to personal preference. Speed for both blades is about the same IMHO.
thanks, B2 would have same or better loops than what well known blades (to gauge the level)?


Posted By: ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Date Posted: 08/25/2016 at 11:44am
Would there be any alternative from the cheaper brands like Yinhe, KLT, 729 that can experience close to identical play of the HL5 or even HL3? Could be a good suggestion for a friend who doesn't want to spend so much money....


Posted By: nv42
Date Posted: 08/25/2016 at 12:06pm
I tried the sanwei f3 bulldozer recently, it's got the same construction as the hl5 I guess! Uses some sort of dark I limba as the outer. I've only tried the hl5 for a few mins, but I can write down a comparison from what I remember.
F3B is a bit faster with a slight lower throw than the hl5. The f3B felt a bit less head heavy compared to the hl5 even though my friend had a 94g blade with a 45 and 48 deg tensor (nanoflex).

Build quality Altually was on par, the f3B has a really really smooth handle with presanded wings and good lens quality too! Definitely not what I'd expect for the price (around 50euro).

F3 bascially feels a bit more powerful for loop drives whereas the hl5 felt a bit better for Powerloops. The f3B had a bit more vibration, not the annoying kinda though. The arylate carbon muted feel was a bit more pronounced on the hl5.



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Posted By: asifgunz
Date Posted: 08/25/2016 at 9:03pm
At 60-65 usd the bo2 looks really good.
If i didnt have 2 zxis and reordered my old friend 729 bomb (best blade under 30 usd) . I would be real interested in it.
Maybe in a month once more reviews are up, i might just end up buying it.

Shout outs to dhs for releasing a blade at this price range with construction that of or at least similar to hl5.

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Posted By: kindof99
Date Posted: 08/25/2016 at 9:23pm
What rubbers are good for HL5?

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Posted By: MLfan
Date Posted: 08/26/2016 at 5:42am
Originally posted by kindof99 kindof99 wrote:

What rubbers are good for HL5?

of course hurricane and tenergy lol


Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 08/26/2016 at 9:20am
Originally posted by kindof99 kindof99 wrote:

What rubbers are good for HL5?


Any good rubber goes with any good blade. Personal preferences not withstanding.


Posted By: slevin
Date Posted: 08/26/2016 at 10:59am
Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

 
Any good rubber goes with any good blade. Personal preferences not withstanding.

Well, almost, IMHO.

Soft rubbers don't go well with stiff, hard blades as the rubbers would bottom out quicker. If you put the same rubber on a softer blade, you could finish more strokes without the bottoming out.

Earlier on in this thread, someone compared the hardness of VIscaria & HL5. To me, HL5 is softer on very soft strokes and harder on the larger strokes (which also makes sense given that the carbon layer is inner on the HL5) than the Viscaria.

Regarding HL5's compatibility, as HL5 is both solid and flexy, I think it could work with a wide variety of rubbers.

I've tried it with Vega Pro, H3 Neo (39 deg, unboosted), MX-P on FH. I've tried it with Acuda Blue P2, Omega V Europe, EL-S, T05 and Boosted Baracuda on BH. They all worked well. MX-P is a bit bouncy though.


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Posted By: slevin
Date Posted: 08/26/2016 at 11:01am
Originally posted by slevin slevin wrote:

Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

 
Any good rubber goes with any good blade. Personal preferences not withstanding.

Well, almost, IMHO.

Soft rubbers don't go well with stiff, hard blades as the rubbers would bottom out quicker. If you put the same rubber on a softer blade, you could finish more strokes without the bottoming out. As I said, IMO.

Earlier on in this thread, someone compared the hardness of VIscaria & HL5. To me, HL5 is softer on very soft strokes and harder on the larger strokes (which also makes sense given that the carbon layer is inner on the HL5) than the Viscaria.

Regarding HL5's compatibility, as HL5 is both solid and flexy, I think it could work with a wide variety of rubbers.

I've tried it with Vega Pro, H3 Neo (39 deg, unboosted), MX-P on FH. I've tried it with Acuda Blue P2, Omega V Europe, EL-S, T05 and Boosted Baracuda on BH. They all worked well. MX-P is a bit bouncy though.


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Posted By: slevin
Date Posted: 08/26/2016 at 11:02am
Originally posted by slevin slevin wrote:

Originally posted by slevin slevin wrote:

Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

 
Any good rubber goes with any good blade. Personal preferences not withstanding.

Well, almost, IMHO.

Soft rubbers don't go well with stiff, hard blades as the rubbers would bottom out quicker. If you put the same rubber on a softer blade, you could finish more strokes without the bottoming out. As I said, IMO.

Earlier on in this thread, someone compared the hardness of VIscaria & HL5. To me, HL5 is softer on very soft strokes and harder on the larger strokes (which also makes sense given that the carbon layer is inner on the HL5) than the Viscaria.

Regarding HL5's compatibility, as HL5 is both solid and flexy, I think it could work with a wide variety of rubbers.

I've tried it with Vega Pro, H3 Neo (39 deg, unboosted), MX-P on FH. I've tried it with Acuda Blue P2, Omega V Europe, EL-S, T05 and Boosted Baracuda on BH. They all worked well. MX-P is a bit bouncy though. T05 was great on the FH as well. I would not use EL-S on FH though.


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Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 08/26/2016 at 3:47pm
Originally posted by slevin slevin wrote:

Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

 
Any good rubber goes with any good blade. Personal preferences not withstanding.

Well, almost, IMHO.

Soft rubbers don't go well with stiff, hard blades as the rubbers would bottom out quicker. If you put the same rubber on a softer blade, you could finish more strokes without the bottoming out.

Earlier on in this thread, someone compared the hardness of VIscaria & HL5. To me, HL5 is softer on very soft strokes and harder on the larger strokes (which also makes sense given that the carbon layer is inner on the HL5) than the Viscaria.

Regarding HL5's compatibility, as HL5 is both solid and flexy, I think it could work with a wide variety of rubbers.

I've tried it with Vega Pro, H3 Neo (39 deg, unboosted), MX-P on FH. I've tried it with Acuda Blue P2, Omega V Europe, EL-S, T05 and Boosted Baracuda on BH. They all worked well. MX-P is a bit bouncy though.

Your personal preferences notwithstanding, there are many players who have used stiff hard blades with soft rubbers for their style.  If anyone wants to get into the details or concepts behind rubber and blade matching at a technical level, they are here:

https://thoughtsontabletennis.wordpress.com/2015/04/25/introduction-to-table-tennis-blade-design/

But the general rules he provides are more thinking about high level offensive looping/attack game, and do not account for idiosyncratic styles or feelings for the ball.  I know blockers who put soft rubbers on extremely fast blades. It's their thing.


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Posted By: kurokami
Date Posted: 09/12/2016 at 11:15pm
^ agree. it's more personal style and technique. e.g. a lot of ppl like rakza 7 but i tried it for 10 min and hated it. too fast, not enough for spin vs speed, somewhat too hard. meanwhile the next guy over is raving how rakza 7 is not too fast, and easier for him to spin with than tenergy.

for me, soft works on anything. it's just that you lose some power with flatter shots like flips and counters. tenergy works on everything!!


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Posted By: comodoensis
Date Posted: 05/17/2021 at 1:27pm
Originally posted by TurboZ TurboZ wrote:

The 7 ply all wood Hurricane B1 has Koto top. B2 does have the same look as HL5. 

Below are HL5 (left) and B2 ALC (right).


How is fang bo handle compared to PG5X? Which one is smaller? 


Posted By: fmarek
Date Posted: 05/18/2021 at 10:20am
Originally posted by Da Baobei Da Baobei wrote:

Originally posted by Roger Stillabower Roger Stillabower wrote:

I have 4 ML-5 blades weighing different from 86 grams to 91 grams. I use H3 blue #22 sponge on f/h and Ten 05 or Rakza 7 on b/h. I bought the new IF-ALC to compare. The IF-ALC I got was to fast, faster than my Viscaria, it was uncontrollable for me. I don't know if I got a weird one or not, but I bought it from Butterfly N.A. when they first got them. But I love the HL-5 not to fast but has a lot of control.


Your IF must be a monster if it is faster than a HL5. Do you know the weight?

The classic HL5 (not the recent with thickened core) is a slow blade. at least my instance from TT11. I cannot call it fast. It is not bouncy. It is made for control and topspin attacks. As someone mentioned here, due to the head size and possible thanks to the shape of the wings it flexes making it to explode a big time on powerful shots. Mine is 91g, so it has enough meat in it to be considered fast, but the truth is, blade is not fast. Viscaria in 87g or Stiga 12k is faster. Geek


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DHS Long 5, FH: 729 Battle II Gold H40, BH: Nittaku C1


Posted By: fmarek
Date Posted: 05/18/2021 at 10:45am
Originally posted by danjacob02 danjacob02 wrote:

Originally posted by tom tom wrote:

anyone played with B2 and opinion?

I've played with both the HL5 and B2. HL5 is flexier and has more dwell time. B2 is harder and stiffer and is better for blocks. For a looper the HL5 would be better. The B2 would be better for those who like to block with their backhand or is an all-around player and loops with their Bhand less. Well still boils down to personal preference. Speed for both blades is about the same IMHO.

In general I agree with this. When choosing to upgrade my blade I almost went for B2. The reason is that I was coming from 5ply limba, I just needed a bit more devil to add to it. So ended up choosing between B2 and HL5. Oh boy, glad I went ahead and got myself HL5. What a great piece of equipment it is!!! I mentioned elsewhere, it helped me to fix number of problems. BH loops, FH loops, FH top spin kills, and surprise surprise - BH blocks. I have the most consistent BH block in the the club. It was not something I was specially training for. People would come to warmup with me because I somehow magically able to block their top spins with precise placement, no effort from my side. The only explanations to this is gear as I did not train blocks with my coach at all. HL5 impressed and surprised me. Ayous x 3, alc and limba. This blade does not have any special feeling. Koto is crisp and precise; hinoki is like warm butter LOL, walnut has pleasant tok tok vibration. Even hardened limba on stigas is crisp. HL5 is not here and not there, somewhat muted feeling, softish. It took me some time to develop a feeling to tell where ball is touching a surface. Nothing special on the feeling side. No distractions. It just made for heavy duty playing rather than focusing on the feel and etc.

One thing to notice though - these days I normally have setup weighting around 192g, whereas blade is 91g. The other day I changed FH rubber and ended up with 188g, maybe I used less glue or rubber was not consistent. So when setup is under 190g it feels like blade bends less and catapults less. 3g should not be such a big deal but it is.


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DHS Long 5, FH: 729 Battle II Gold H40, BH: Nittaku C1



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