Hate Butterfly? What will you buy?
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Topic: Hate Butterfly? What will you buy?
Posted By: speedy
Subject: Hate Butterfly? What will you buy?
Date Posted: 11/19/2014 at 8:44pm
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First of all, I have to admit that Butterfly makes good products. However, their restrictions have driving some of us away from their products. I am just wondering what do you buy/use besides Butterfly. ------------- SPEEDY Viscaria Super ALC ST JOOLA Rhyzen CMD(FH) Nittaku Moristo SP (BH) |
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Posted By: Iskandar Taib
Date Posted: 11/19/2014 at 8:53pm
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Yinhe. Iskandar
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Posted By: DreiZ
Date Posted: 11/19/2014 at 8:55pm
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I do like butterfly but I agree; their prices, restrictions, blade discontinuing, and marketing to say the least are questionable... more like unfair to be honest. If there was no butterfly I would guess Xiom would be pretty popular for composite blades and rubbers. For all wood blades Nittaku and Stiga would take it. Also, Yasaka makes fine blades and decent rubber for a good price. My vote is Xiom due to a wide variety of products offered at different prices. |
Posted By: mhnh007
Date Posted: 11/19/2014 at 9:26pm
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Blades - Stiga Rubbers - Donic, Andro. Didn't vote because there is only one vote right?
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Posted By: vutiendat1337
Date Posted: 11/19/2014 at 9:36pm
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Blades - Butterfly / Stiga Rubbers - Donic / Butterfly / DHS ------------- bty petr korbel st fh: donic bluefire red bh: dawei iqul black USATT:1811 http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=40320&title=feedbackvutiendat1337" rel="nofollow - Feedback me |
Posted By: frogger
Date Posted: 11/19/2014 at 9:38pm
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I love Stiga and Avalox (AVX) blades. Made in Sweden, nice quality and thicker grips. :) Buttfly is crazy. :) ------------- Wood Paddle Red side Black side. |
Posted By: bobloiy
Date Posted: 11/19/2014 at 10:53pm
I'm confused, can't you get butterfly products anywhere? What "restrictions" are you talking about? Also, what's so bad about blade discounting? I'm just curious about why you say these things because I'm not that familiar about the table tennis world just yet.
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DreiZ wrote:Posted By: DreiZ
Date Posted: 11/19/2014 at 11:05pm
you can... but everywhere outside of japan and maybe korea people are overpaying for BTY products because of the current market/economy. a lot of classics have been discontinued in handles that a lot of players would still prefer. In general USA butterfly website does not get many ST handles of their blades, they are mostly FL. etc, etc, etc... |
Posted By: stiltt
Date Posted: 11/19/2014 at 11:06pm
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I thought Nexy would have a place in the list and that's why I voted "Others"
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Posted By: tiehwen
Date Posted: 11/20/2014 at 12:06am
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I'd get a couple or some of OSP & Dr. NeuBauer blades. Butterfly higher ends are still my 1st choices but not those brand new/latest & greatest Super whatever tho'......waste of $$$$, imho. ------------- http://mytabletennis.net/Forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17089" rel="nofollow - I love & am inspired by Malala Yousufzai's "True & Tough" LIFE STORY |
Posted By: speedy
Date Posted: 11/20/2014 at 12:54am
I am with you on this one. ------------- SPEEDY Viscaria Super ALC ST JOOLA Rhyzen CMD(FH) Nittaku Moristo SP (BH) |
Posted By: speedy
Date Posted: 11/20/2014 at 12:54am
I tested a few Nexy blades. They are good too. ------------- SPEEDY Viscaria Super ALC ST JOOLA Rhyzen CMD(FH) Nittaku Moristo SP (BH) |
Posted By: BH-Man
Date Posted: 11/20/2014 at 1:14am
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You know I am going to say Nexy and Tibhar... :) ------------- Korea Foreign Table Tennis Club Search for us on Facebook: koreaforeignttc |
Posted By: acid
Date Posted: 11/20/2014 at 1:29am
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I go for these: BladeS: Armstrong & Darker (made in japan and really affordable $50 to $100) Rubbers: Xiom/Donic/DHS/729
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Posted By: Vlad0
Date Posted: 11/20/2014 at 2:34am
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Blades: Stiga Rubbers: Andro, Tibhar, Xiom |
Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 11/20/2014 at 2:52am
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blades: Stiga, Adidas, Nexy, Alser rubbers: tibhar, adidas ------------- Independent online TT Product reviewer of XIOM, STIGA, JOOLA, SANWEI, GEWO, AIR, ITC, APEX, YASAKA and ABROS ITTF Level 1 Coaching Course Conductor, ITTF Level 1 Coach |
Posted By: Olio
Date Posted: 11/20/2014 at 3:12am
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Blades: Xiom (Vega), Stiga (Clipper), Nittaku (Ludeack, Barwell?), OSP (Clipper like) Rubbers: Tibhar (MX-P), Joola (Rhyzm / Maxx), Xiom (Omega)
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Posted By: doraemon
Date Posted: 11/20/2014 at 4:05am
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I like Stiga, Donic and Tibhar...... Wild card: Avalox ------------- Blade : Just wood FH : black rubber BH : red rubber |
Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 11/20/2014 at 4:06am
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I'm going through a cheapo phase at the moment, so Yinhe gets my vote in "Other". Honourable mentions to Donic and Tibhar though. ------------- This was a great signature until I realised it was overrated. |
Posted By: _maddic
Date Posted: 11/20/2014 at 4:41am
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loving xiom rubbers and nexy blades atm voted for xiom though |
Posted By: boliao
Date Posted: 11/20/2014 at 5:10am
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Darker, Xiom, OSP, Yinhe |
Posted By: Pioneer
Date Posted: 11/20/2014 at 5:44am
Does anyone know why tt-japan lifted Butterfly's products?
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Posted By: cheondo
Date Posted: 11/20/2014 at 6:27am
In Korea, BTY is way overpriced. Still $80 for Tenergy. Their prices haven't come down even though the yen has taken a beating. ------------- Primorac Carbon + P7 Feedback http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=70427&title=feedback-cheondo |
Posted By: Greco
Date Posted: 11/20/2014 at 8:36am
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Blades: Osp and Nittaku. Rubbers: Yasaka, Yinhe, Andro. |
Posted By: Timo1978
Date Posted: 11/20/2014 at 9:15am
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My Vote goes definitly to Nittaku Blades and Donic Rubbers ------------- http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=61541&title=feedback-timo1978" rel="nofollow - My Feedback |
Posted By: Fehrplay
Date Posted: 11/20/2014 at 10:42am
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Blades definitely Stiga Rubbers Stiga or Donic.
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Posted By: jonyer1980
Date Posted: 11/20/2014 at 11:37am
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Stiga or Nittaku Blades. Donic or Thibar Rubbers.
------------- Rosewood V FL Nittaku Fastarc G1-FH Stiga DNA Pro-S MAX BH Avoid any Butterfly stuff... at abusive prices. Raw power without control means nothing |
Posted By: lineup32
Date Posted: 11/20/2014 at 11:50am
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old wood/blades Andro rubber
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Posted By: 1dennistt
Date Posted: 11/20/2014 at 11:50am
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Blades: Donic/Yinhe Rubber: Donic/Nittaku ------------- Donic Waldner World Champion 1989 ZLC (Inner), Donic BlueStorm Pro (Red) Max, ????? (Black) 1.8 mm) |
Posted By: The soul of rock
Date Posted: 11/20/2014 at 11:56am
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Blade: Stiga or Xiom Rubbers: Not my problem, lol. ------------- Viscaria FL FH: Nittaku Hurricane 3 NEO BH: Tenergy 05 ------- http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=69322&PID=841245" rel="nofollow - My feedback |
Posted By: TT newbie
Date Posted: 11/20/2014 at 12:02pm
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Blades: Donic and self-made blades Rubbers: Yasaka
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Posted By: speedy
Date Posted: 11/20/2014 at 12:51pm
There is nothing wrong with cheap blades. I am in the process of testing some of the cheap blades myself. I bought some DHS PG-7 and some Nitakku blades around $40. They are not bad. ------------- SPEEDY Viscaria Super ALC ST JOOLA Rhyzen CMD(FH) Nittaku Moristo SP (BH) |
Posted By: speedy
Date Posted: 11/20/2014 at 1:00pm
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I was so sure that Stiga would have the highest vote. I was wrong. It seems like a lot of people like Xiom. So, for Xiom experts (EJs) => What Xiom blade that similar to TB ZLC? ------------- SPEEDY Viscaria Super ALC ST JOOLA Rhyzen CMD(FH) Nittaku Moristo SP (BH) |
Posted By: LOOPMEISTER
Date Posted: 11/20/2014 at 1:09pm
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haha most of Xiom's composites are stiff and fast, I think you have no trouble finding something you like. There's a Hayabusha series blade that's almost identical to the TBZLC, but I forgot which one exactly. Something with a Z. ------------- 
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Posted By: mahomedy13
Date Posted: 11/20/2014 at 1:17pm
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Blades:Stiga,Yasaka,Nexy Rubbers:Yasaka,Tibhar
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Posted By: Stavros
Date Posted: 11/21/2014 at 2:32pm
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blades: Stiga ------------- InfinityVPS - D80 - D05 |
Posted By: PingPongHolic10
Date Posted: 11/21/2014 at 11:19pm
ZXI, I believe they have same construction & a big sweet spot just like ZX (Jun Mitzo construction, plays like it as well). And for Poll: Penhold Blades: Yinhe/OSP/Nexy Rubbers: Yinhe/Xiom/Tibhar ------------- http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=55790&KW=&title=fs-ft-2014-inventory-clearancecpenspro-releases" rel="nofollow - My FS/FT Member of Yinhe,OSP & Nexy Clan |
Posted By: bbkon
Date Posted: 11/21/2014 at 11:36pm
and what xiom blade plays like innerforce ZLC or amultart?
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Posted By: JacekGM
Date Posted: 11/22/2014 at 1:37pm
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From a man at the bottom of the skill ladder: Blades: Yasaka, Yinhe, Juic, Gambler, Xiom Rubbers: Nittaku, Xiom, Yasaka ------------- (1) Juic SBA (Fl, 85 g) with Bluefire JP3 (red max) on FH and 0.6 mm DR N Desperado on BH; (2) Yinhe T7 (Fl, 87 g) with Bluefire M3 (red 2.0) on FH and 0.6 mm 755 on BH. |
Posted By: Knuckle Ball
Date Posted: 11/22/2014 at 5:50pm
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Adidas definitely! ------------- Blade: Rosewood NCT V FH: Dignics 05 Black BH: Moristo SP Red |
Posted By: TT newbie
Date Posted: 11/22/2014 at 6:10pm
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Actually I´m posting here but I don´t hate Butterfly products. I hate its MSRP.
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Posted By: frogger
Date Posted: 11/22/2014 at 9:36pm
If Stiga had better finishing then they would win. I believe they are getting better but they have a ways to go before they can match Xiom, Donic or Nittaku. My latest Stiga Clipper was very nice. I usually must sand every Stiga I have purchased in the past. ------------- Wood Paddle Red side Black side. |
Posted By: speedy
Date Posted: 11/23/2014 at 11:08pm
I probably say "hate butterfly policies and prices"  ------------- SPEEDY Viscaria Super ALC ST JOOLA Rhyzen CMD(FH) Nittaku Moristo SP (BH) |
Posted By: chop4ever
Date Posted: 11/23/2014 at 11:50pm
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XIOM is the best alternative for Butterfly, in term of composite materials ------------- There is no real "pro", "prov" or "NT" H3 in the market. Falco is not a booster |
Posted By: bbkon
Date Posted: 11/24/2014 at 11:01am
what xiom blade is closest to clipper or innerforce ZLC But a bit more solid?
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Posted By: dannyreventon
Date Posted: 11/24/2014 at 11:27am
For the IF ZLC, it would be the Hayabusa ZXi. :) ------------- Main Setup: Timo Boll Spirit FH: Neo H3 Prov 39deg BH: Xiom Musa Stiga Clipper Wood FH: Neo Skyline 3 BH: Stiga Neos Sound ST Avenger 5 FH: Neo H3 Bh: Xiom Musa |
Posted By: Tabmini
Date Posted: 11/24/2014 at 12:06pm
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Xiom Extreme-S is the closest to Clipper CR but a bit harder. ------------- My feedback : mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=77680&PID=959859 |
Posted By: Jolan
Date Posted: 11/24/2014 at 1:27pm
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Blades : Nittaku, Xiom Rubbers : Xiom, Donic and DHS No need to "hate" BTY for such choice. Nittaku and Xiom are really making better blades and Xiom better rubbers. ------------- Joola Wyzaryz Freeze Vega pro 2.0mm Vega intro 2.0mm Blade collection : https://photos.app.goo.gl/PrgCu5ib5RnhVXTn9" rel="nofollow - https://photos.app.goo.gl/PrgCu5ib5RnhVXTn9 |
Posted By: Ray
Date Posted: 11/24/2014 at 1:29pm
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My vote went to the Tibhar for both blades and rubbers - high quality yet affordable equipment. Their apparel is also very nice. Apart from one Korbel FL Japan I sold right after I got (dislike the handle) I haven't had anything else from Butterfly. My next purchases will be Victas blade(s). ------------- Life is too short for defensive play. https://twitter.com/spinnier_com" rel="nofollow - https://twitter.com/spinnier_com https://fb.me/spinnier" rel="nofollow - fb.me/spinnier |
Posted By: unkn0wn0ne
Date Posted: 11/24/2014 at 10:02pm
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Butterfly is still the gold standard followed by Stiga However the problem is that you also have to pay more for the quality. I have always recommended players to boycott Butterfly for reasons I won't get into and would lead to my getting banned from the forum for the 1000th time LOL ------------- http://4ctt.com" rel="nofollow - http://4ctt.com http://ttHanahan.com" rel="nofollow - http://ttHanahan.com |
Posted By: bbkon
Date Posted: 11/24/2014 at 11:44pm
pitty there is no cpen version of extreme s
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Posted By: Fehrplay
Date Posted: 11/25/2014 at 8:01am
| Which brand do you think have the nicest cloths, I would say Nittaku or Stiga. |
Posted By: rocketscientist
Date Posted: 11/26/2014 at 10:46am
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Blades: STIGA Rubbers: STIGA and Butterfly for my forehand Clothes: STIGA Marketing/website: STIGA by far Sponsored players: STIGA have the best. Butterfly have a lot Overall: STIGA, by far the best table tennis brand in the world. So much class and seem to be down to earth. Important image.
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Posted By: jt99sf
Date Posted: 11/26/2014 at 1:10pm
Stiga's blade quality has been down recently. I'd rather get Nittaku or Andro. -------------  Photino/Super Viscaria : H3 (FH)/Dr N pips(BH)林德成 HardBat:Hock 3-Ply /Dr Evil |
Posted By: tiehwen
Date Posted: 11/26/2014 at 1:17pm
They don't even bother answer my emails or enquiries (x2)... ------------- http://mytabletennis.net/Forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17089" rel="nofollow - I love & am inspired by Malala Yousufzai's "True & Tough" LIFE STORY |
Posted By: Fehrplay
Date Posted: 11/26/2014 at 3:40pm
Haha Stigas biggest fan!
 Stiga surely have a good image and a really great looking website. I haven't been a very big fan of their rubbers before the Airoc serie witch i'm now in love with! I think Stiga shares the number one spot with Nittaku. |
Posted By: rocketscientist
Date Posted: 11/26/2014 at 4:06pm
Always answers mine like within 24 hours.
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Posted By: TurboZ
Date Posted: 11/26/2014 at 4:27pm
May be not in other countries but China has it. ------------- http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=53150&title=feedback-turboz - My Feedback |
Posted By: speedy
Date Posted: 11/26/2014 at 5:11pm
This is good information. I like Clipper CR, but it's too soft for my backhand pips. ------------- SPEEDY Viscaria Super ALC ST JOOLA Rhyzen CMD(FH) Nittaku Moristo SP (BH) |
Posted By: chop4ever
Date Posted: 11/26/2014 at 5:16pm
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I think Yinhe-Galaxy is the best alternative besides XIOM. The XIOM Hayabusa ZXi even better quality than some SZLC blades ------------- There is no real "pro", "prov" or "NT" H3 in the market. Falco is not a booster |
Posted By: t64t64t64
Date Posted: 11/27/2014 at 2:50am
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for rubbers-Xiom or Donic. For blades it is very personal. ------------- http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=61764&PID=734709 |
Posted By: looneylooper
Date Posted: 11/29/2014 at 12:01am
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Don't really hate butterfly products, but I hate the managemen decisions. I guess that's what the op meant. But if it came down to choosing blades I'd choose Darker, Xiom and a few blades from Stiga. For rubber sheets, Donic, Xiom and Yasaka maybe. |
Posted By: sonykurniawan
Date Posted: 02/28/2015 at 1:19am
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I dont hate butterflies, they have their own ways of doing things. If im to choose non bty products then... Blade: nittaku Rubber: M3 |
Posted By: tabletennisx32
Date Posted: 02/28/2015 at 1:47am
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idc |
Posted By: tabletennisx32
Date Posted: 02/28/2015 at 1:47am
| Butterflies are pretty.(ii) |
Posted By: wankhao
Date Posted: 02/28/2015 at 1:48am
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Is this poll for rubbers, blades or both? |
Posted By: pnachtwey
Date Posted: 02/28/2015 at 1:52am
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I don't hate butterfly. I can easily afford to put a new T05 on both side of my paddle every week. I simply don't think T05 will make me play that much better. Right how I like any DHS Neo black on my FH and IQUL 1.8-2mm and SV to reg red on my BH. The total cost is $40. I don't see where one rubber can generate an impulse and resulting trajectory that another can't. I know it will take more effort with the Chinese rubber but they also will not be as sensitive to incoming spin. Since I play close to the table I dont think I need a fast paddle. ------------- I TT therefore I am |
Posted By: igszoctan
Date Posted: 02/28/2015 at 11:40am
Talking about rubbers I like Btfy I love Donic, Yasaka and Xiom and I am fond of Andro  ------------- igszoctan Fh: Rasant PowerGrip (2.1) Blades: Appelgren Allplay Bh: Rasant Powersponge(1.9) Feedback: http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=66928&PID=807706 Strength and honour |
Posted By: passifid
Date Posted: 02/28/2015 at 12:16pm
| WHERE IS DHS |
Posted By: pnachtwey
Date Posted: 02/28/2015 at 12:42pm
colestt.com zeropong.com paddlepalace.com H3 Neo is the most popular. ------------- I TT therefore I am |
Posted By: asifgunz
Date Posted: 02/28/2015 at 2:21pm
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I think xioms' stradavarious is one of the best blades under 100$. Theres also Sanwei's 19 ply 1091 (not the 1091A , 1091 is a little cheaper) for under 50$. Rubber wise I've used Omega IV pro for years now. Also a sheet of Sigma II pro. Theyre very durable and the price has decreased considerably. I originally learned to play with Chinese rubbers about 11 years ago and my dad who's a c-pen user, is advising me to go back to my roots. edit: oh almost forgot. 729 Bomb blade . best 17$ ever spent on megaspin. -------------  "I do not have any idols. I am my own idol." - Zhang Jike Feedback: http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=71761&PN=1#905629 |
Posted By: NoRema
Date Posted: 02/28/2015 at 7:26pm
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Where is Nexy? the god tier. ------------- http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=70289&title=feedback-norema" rel="nofollow">  Click the picture for feedback ^ |
Posted By: Leftyy
Date Posted: 03/01/2015 at 4:45pm
| I don't hate butterfly but I think many of their products are a bit expensive. I like Stiga blades and also play with Donic rubbers. For clothes I don't care that much. |
Posted By: Madridwalker
Date Posted: 03/01/2015 at 5:13pm
| I very like blades Butterfly and rubbers only Donic or Butterfly |
Posted By: TurboZ
Date Posted: 03/01/2015 at 5:53pm
I start to hate DHS because they raised their price about 30% last year, at least in China. Their H3 is used to be cheap but not anymore. Their new rubbers are all over 100, some even 200 RMB now. Because all top pro use either DHS, Butterfly or both, they can afford to charge whatever the price and still no worry about sale. ------------- http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=53150&title=feedback-turboz - My Feedback |
Posted By: rajd1234
Date Posted: 03/01/2015 at 10:05pm
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Xiom is one of the best substitute for bty. Recently i have used Victas V>01 Limber. Came pre tuned. Topsheet was very good. They can also be a good competitor in near future. ------------- ...Rajd... My feedback url: http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=72846&PN=1#893078 |
Posted By: bbkon
Date Posted: 03/01/2015 at 11:03pm
bought a flarestorm 2 sheet and it deader than the last sheet i bought also the quality of the primorac carbon is not the same
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