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Topic: Confessions of an EJ (my fatt apology)
Posted By: NextLevel
Subject: Confessions of an EJ (my fatt apology)
Date Posted: 01/21/2015 at 12:45am
OK, I am an EJ.  I am the worst kind - an EJ who has proven to himself EJing is bad but cannot help it.  It's gotten so bad that I buy equipment that I will not sell or use.  I need help.

To show how bad things were, I had FL Samsonov Force Pros (I like to buy cheap blades and buy them in pairs so I have backups - which I have never quite needed except when I used Giant Dragon balsa blades).  And I started to wonder whether I really should be using ST handles since I have a strong preference for them.  I was playing well with the FLs so it had nothing to do per se with performance.  Just wondering if I wouldn't play and feel better with ST handles.  This is the kind of ish I have been dealing with recently.

Now I am playing well with Big Dipper.  I sold and gave away my used sheets of Tenergy 05.  But now I am wondering whether I gave 1.9mm T05 a chance.  Or maybe 1.9mm T80 (yes, the sheets are in the bag - I just don't have the appetite to try them since I am still playing well with my current setup - yes, the ST Samsonov Force Pros - the FLs are waiting for the T80s).

And there's that ST handle Vega Tour that I was supposed to review.  Only now I have no desire to play with it whatsoever.  I'm thinking whether to sell the trivumrate of Vega blades (which I messed up by getting a ST Tour to go with a FL Pro and FL Euro) since I don't think I will play with them again, despite their being good to me while it lasted.

Sorry for being such a prick, fatt.  I am a piece of ish - I should know better.


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Posted By: *_strataras_*
Date Posted: 01/21/2015 at 2:26am
Sorry for the out-of-topic question, but I am don't follow every thread, so I don't know what is EJ.Can you please explain to me, so I can be IN the "game" of every topic? Thx and sorry again for the off-topic question!

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Posted By: Stavros
Date Posted: 01/21/2015 at 2:54am
Originally posted by *_strataras_* *_strataras_* wrote:

Sorry for the out-of-topic question, but I am don't follow every thread, so I don't know what is EJ.Can you please explain to me, so I can be IN the "game" of every topic? Thx and sorry again for the off-topic question!

 

equipment junkie






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Posted By: siestakey
Date Posted: 01/21/2015 at 6:05am
The grass is always greener !

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Posted By: AgentHEX
Date Posted: 01/21/2015 at 8:35am
If you're at least consciously aware that the latest gear isn't going to improve skills then it should be easier to play with them a bit at the end of a session to satiate the desire.

Too often people get excited by the prospects of a new toy magically elevating their game (like a gambler's everlasting faith that "this will be the one") and wasting most of a session(s) readjusting instead of conscientiously working on whatever they need to.

Full disclosure: I also have a bag(s) of equipment which seem to accumulate faster than they're being opened.


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Posted By: illinichamps
Date Posted: 01/21/2015 at 9:11am
nothing wrong with being an EJ if your wallet can handle it..
i am an unabashed EJ, though part of the reason is that i have
switched from jpen which i played for most of my life to shakehand a couple of months ago..
it's fun buying different kinds of rubbers and blades, when i played with
a jpen, it was the same racket for a very long time with a hurricane rubber..
anyways, tinkering to see which rubber and blade setup is not at all bad,
it is only bad if that is all you are relying on and not working on your form
and trying different strategies. my partner that i am playing with has a rating
of around 2000 and i realize my strengths and weaknesses against him, (and that it is very hard to beat him) recently trying sp on the back and twiddling is really messing with him,
although i still need to learn more on how to play sp.. i don't know if i will stick with it
but definately doesn't hurt to try new things..
what really is bad is if you don't want to improve, but being an EJ you are willing to
go the extra mile to get better (hopefully with the effort to match ^^)
good luck next level 


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Posted By: vanjr
Date Posted: 01/21/2015 at 9:22am
Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

OK, I am an EJ.  I am the worst kind - an EJ who has proven to himself EJing is bad but cannot help it.  It's gotten so bad that I buy equipment that I will not sell or use.  I need help.

To show how bad things were, I had FL Samsonov Force Pros (I like to buy cheap blades and buy them in pairs so I have backups - which I have never quite needed except when I used Giant Dragon balsa blades).  And I started to wonder whether I really should be using ST handles since I have a strong preference for them.  I was playing well with the FLs so it had nothing to do per se with performance.  Just wondering if I wouldn't play and feel better with ST handles.  This is the kind of ish I have been dealing with recently.

Now I am playing well with Big Dipper.  I sold and gave away my used sheets of Tenergy 05.  But now I am wondering whether I gave 1.9mm T05 a chance.  Or maybe 1.9mm T80 (yes, the sheets are in the bag - I just don't have the appetite to try them since I am still playing well with my current setup - yes, the ST Samsonov Force Pros - the FLs are waiting for the T80s).

And there's that ST handle Vega Tour that I was supposed to review.  Only now I have no desire to play with it whatsoever.  I'm thinking whether to sell the trivumrate of Vega blades (which I messed up by getting a ST Tour to go with a FL Pro and FL Euro) since I don't think I will play with them again, despite their being good to me while it lasted.

Sorry for being such a prick, fatt.  I am a piece of ish - I should know better.


But you make some of the other EJs not feel so bad by the example you have set. For that I thank youTongue


Posted By: AgentHEX
Date Posted: 01/21/2015 at 9:24am
> nothing wrong with being an EJ if your wallet can handle it..

No, the resource of effort being diverted to an activity which isn't productive has other consequences.

The better statement would be "nothing wrong with being an EJ if the goal is improving your equipment review writing skills instead of TT ones".


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Posted By: frogger
Date Posted: 01/21/2015 at 9:50am

Don't feel bad Nextlevel. I have been an EJ for 35 years. I have a box of old blades and even new ones that I have never played with. I keep my old blades in what I call the "bone box" since they don't have rubbers on them. If it makes you happy and money is not an issue I say go for it. Just remember to get information to improve your game.


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Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 01/21/2015 at 9:52am
NL - you know that EJing is just a diversion. For me, it's a fun part of the hobby of TT (rather than the pure sporting endeavour), and I never expect some mystical skill improvement.

I wouldn't be so presumptuous to dictate how you spend your time. But if you are super-hyper-serious about improvement, it makes sense to avoid distractions. Handle shape isn't going to make much difference. Pick a decent rubber which suits your plan and stick to it. Changing equipment will not help a focussed, organised, intensive training schedule.

Of course, you know all of this already. It sounds really boring to me, but the path to excellence isn't paved with interesting distractions and fun times.

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Posted By: BRS
Date Posted: 01/21/2015 at 9:56am
Maybe whenever you have the urge to EJ you should take the money you would spend and just hand the cash to your coach.  That would pay for a lot more coaching, by the sound of things.  And if *your coach* thinks some new equipment is worth testing and could seriously improve your game, then he can return some of your EJ $$ to buy it. 


Posted By: AgentHEX
Date Posted: 01/21/2015 at 10:00am
The unfortunate consequence of EJ culture is that folk who are trying to improve come to these forums and whatnot and conflate trivialities of gear with development.

The apparent advice being dispensed is a pretty terrible influence on those who still haven't stalled out anyway.

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Posted By: frogger
Date Posted: 01/21/2015 at 10:32am

Not everyone here on this forum is seeking more coaching. As coaching is a good thing perhaps they play more for the fun of the game and don't seek serious competition in sanctioned events. Of course we all can improve but if that player get's happiness in buying equipment then more power to them.

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Posted By: BH-Man
Date Posted: 01/21/2015 at 10:36am
We should hold an "EJ" vs "Pundit" no-holds-barred wrestling match in locked cage and stream it live pay-per-view. It could get interesting.

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Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 01/21/2015 at 10:58am
It is definitely true that for some people buying and trying new stuff is part of the fun of it.  Some rich people collect rare cars.  Some people here like to try TT stuff.  But if the objective is really to improve, then you need to play with something consistently enough that you can develop shots you can execute without having to think about the execution and if the blade and rubber is constantly changing, it works against that.


Posted By: slevin
Date Posted: 01/21/2015 at 11:09am
Come on NL: we all know that your breaking 2000 had nothing to do with coaching / analysis and everything to do with your ditching your JRE! On that note, hearty congrats!

Kidding aside, I think that it should be OK for someone who plays as many hours a week as you seem to have the good fortune to do (seriously, do your car a favor & leave PA to move to NJ). 

BTW, I think that the next guy who says that EJ'ing could be bad for your game and the money should be spent on coaching instead should get slapped in the face for making that ubiquitous comment. Everyone understands that. 

I think that even Ma Long and Chen Qi seem to have had EJ'ish tendencies, though, perhaps even they did not own 4 of the same blade at one time :)


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Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 01/21/2015 at 11:14am
Originally posted by fatt fatt wrote:

Wow wow wow
See the bright side at least you are still improving while not having 1/3 of your weight made out of pure lipids.
Put together a fs page for the stuff that can go where you price well and describe briefly what the item does; bump every other day and people will buy on your word.
If your goal is 2k+, what would in you opinion serve you as a setup? If you had one and only one setup to chose to spend the rest of your life with what would it be?
Lotus position, all fingers in each hand together pointing up, close your eyes, breathe fully....so what is it?


My current setup, or any setup with which I can generate spin and block with pleasure while getting reasonable pace.  However, I have personally found pace to be overrated even up to 2000 and found that brush looping tends to give people much more problems - the difficulty is being consistent with it since I want to smack the ball, but I play enough people that I want to beat that I discipline myself.  A common criticism of my practice loops is that I brush too much (no one says that in matches though - they say I don't loop).  At some point, I am going to try those sheets of T80, but I have seen enough to know that there are many styles that get let you break 2000 if you want to be smart about it and focus on building the style out.  The key is to have something that gives the looping juniors trouble (good blocking/hitting), something to control the heavy topspin (block, counterloop, smash) and something to be aggressive on service return in case the junior is too good at attacking your push.  Also, while looping with too much sidespin is not smart if you want to be a very high level player, looping with a lot of sidespin is very smart if you want to be 2K.  Not easy to control, and a very specialist style, but the results are very effective.

So my answer - my current setup.  When I change setups, I change blade or rubber, not both.


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Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train...


Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 01/21/2015 at 11:26am
Originally posted by slevin slevin wrote:

Come on NL: we all know that your breaking 2000 had nothing to do with coaching / analysis and everything to do with your ditching your JRE! On that note, hearty congrats!

Kidding aside, I think that it should be OK for someone who plays as many hours a week as you seem to have the good fortune to do (seriously, do your car a favor & leave PA to move to NJ). 

BTW, I think that the next guy who says that EJ'ing could be bad for your game and the money should be spent on coaching instead should get slapped in the face for making that ubiquitous comment. Everyone understands that. 

I think that even Ma Long and Chen Qi seem to have had EJ'ish tendencies, though, perhaps even they did not own 4 of the same blade at one time :)

Thanks, man,  Yeah, I do spend significant time playing (that said, got a lot of people in my club that do).  I had to find better guaranteed opposition and competition.  If I had played more leagues in prior years, I wouldn't have played as many tournaments because that was largely why I played tournaments anyways and tournaments didn't do the job as well (of presenting consistent competition at the right level).  I ramped up my playing time end of last year because I was close to the finish line and my physical condition had me uncertain as to how long I could continue to play for.  Since Princeton Pong has opened and my primary goal achieved, you're going to be seeing me a lot less.


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FH/BH: H3P 41D.
Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train...


Posted By: mhnh007
Date Posted: 01/21/2015 at 11:36am
EJ is in the blood, it's not necessary the desire to try new things, but different things.  I have a new year resolution to stay with the same setup through out the whole month, which does not sound too hard to do (I am old and wise enough to commit to a month in stead of year), but I had to start on the 2nd day of the year, because I already change my mind about what I want to play for the whole month LOL.
 
Things go well for me for 2 weeks, and the I read this post http://www.mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=69897&PID=849763&title=slower-blade-experience-again#849763" rel="nofollow - http://www.mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=69897&PID=849763&title=slower-blade-experience-again#849763  and I couldn't keep my mind off the Violin, so I search through my old boxes of blades looking for it, it took a while, but I found it.  The thing is I found it along with my other slow Stiga Allround Classic Confused, and for some reason the AR makes even more sense to me Big smile.  So lo and behold, with 10 days left till the end of the month, I am playing with the AR and love it (kind of).
 
BTW - did I mention that I receive my ZJK ALC a couple days ago...
 


Posted By: frogger
Date Posted: 01/21/2015 at 1:04pm

Talk about "pace", it's interesting to note that fast equipment can sometimes work against you with the ball coming back that much quicker. At my age that is not a good thing.

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Posted By: wturber
Date Posted: 01/21/2015 at 1:17pm
Originally posted by AgentHEX AgentHEX wrote:



Too often people get excited by the prospects of a new toy magically elevating their game (like a gambler's everlasting faith that "this will be the one") and wasting most of a session(s) readjusting instead of conscientiously working on whatever they need to.


I call it "magic beans" and it can apply to new "tricks" or "techniques" as well.


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Posted By: wturber
Date Posted: 01/21/2015 at 1:24pm
I'm emotionally drawn toward being an EJ.  But what has largely saved me is that I'm basically cheap. Additionally (other benefits aside) being committed to playing hardbat full-time makes it easier for me to stay on the straight and narrow.

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Posted By: 42andbackpains
Date Posted: 01/21/2015 at 1:57pm
I can say Nextel is normal or at least a normal to me. Dont we all have this specific issue when it comes to TT. Otherwise ITTF and all the major TT equipment producers would be out of business. On my 3rd comeback and i find myself wanting to buy everything. My new Stiga clipper CC, CR and Clippa is coming in next week. I have been using my existing Adidas setup for about 2 months now. Once someone(Coach, Friend, forum...) mentions or recommends something new. You will always want to try it depending on your budget. You just can't help yourselves sometimes. I especially want to buy Li Ning track suits and tournament clothing but i only play 1 or 2 times a week. Then i have to tell myself i dont need 10 playing outfits and 5 track suits....lol

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BH Butterfly T05 Red
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Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 01/21/2015 at 2:03pm
Originally posted by slevin slevin wrote:

Everyone understands that. 



yes but not always why.


Posted By: frogger
Date Posted: 01/21/2015 at 2:32pm

There is something addicting when gluing a new rubber to a new blade that you have never played before. Going through the all the details such as sanding, sealing, gluing, cutting the rubber with exacto knife to perfection then admiring your work. Getting the weight of the blade before and after rubber application. It's all good stuff only an EJ can appreciate. I love the smell of voc glue and dog farts. Somebody please hit me again please.

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Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 01/21/2015 at 3:24pm
And here I was thinking you would be the first to know...

Thank you.


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Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train...


Posted By: JimT
Date Posted: 01/21/2015 at 4:11pm
Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

OK, I am an EJ.  I am the worst kind - an EJ who has proven to himself EJing is bad but cannot help it.  It's gotten so bad that I buy equipment that I will not sell or use.  I need help.

To show how bad things were, I had FL Samsonov Force Pros (I like to buy cheap blades and buy them in pairs so I have backups - which I have never quite needed except when I used Giant Dragon balsa blades).  And I started to wonder whether I really should be using ST handles since I have a strong preference for them.  I was playing well with the FLs so it had nothing to do per se with performance.  Just wondering if I wouldn't play and feel better with ST handles.  This is the kind of ish I have been dealing with recently.

Now I am playing well with Big Dipper.  I sold and gave away my used sheets of Tenergy 05.  But now I am wondering whether I gave 1.9mm T05 a chance.  Or maybe 1.9mm T80 (yes, the sheets are in the bag - I just don't have the appetite to try them since I am still playing well with my current setup - yes, the ST Samsonov Force Pros - the FLs are waiting for the T80s).

And there's that ST handle Vega Tour that I was supposed to review.  Only now I have no desire to play with it whatsoever.  I'm thinking whether to sell the trivumrate of Vega blades (which I messed up by getting a ST Tour to go with a FL Pro and FL Euro) since I don't think I will play with them again, despite their being good to me while it lasted.

Sorry for being such a prick, fatt.  I am a piece of ish - I should know better.


I think you are graduating to a semi-EJ state - as in, I'd rather stick with my trusty blade(s), trying others is kinda of a drag, but maybe I will try some other rubbers... sometime... when the current ones are all glossy and faded.

I used to be a hard EJ - 35 blades in 4 years, probably 40 various rubbers etc. Now I stick with two BBC blades I got with T-80/T-80fx and some KTL rubbers, and the only EJ-ing I try is to switch the rubbers between the blades when I feel that I need some psychological extra kick in the pants which comes with trying a combo you never tried before. But it's the same components.

If Tenergies were not so expensive I probably wouldn't even try any new rubbers. As it is I might give a try to this new Palio Aeolus tensor when it becomes available.


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Posted By: AgentHEX
Date Posted: 01/22/2015 at 2:23am
> BTW, I think that the next guy who says that EJ'ing could be bad for your game and the money should be spent on coaching instead should get slapped in the face for making that ubiquitous comment. Everyone understands that.

If that were the case, posts about equipment wouldn't outnumber ones about technique about 100 to 1.


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Posted By: *_strataras_*
Date Posted: 01/22/2015 at 3:34am
Originally posted by Stavros Stavros wrote:

Originally posted by *_strataras_* *_strataras_* wrote:

Sorry for the out-of-topic question, but I am don't follow every thread, so I don't know what is EJ.Can you please explain to me, so I can be IN the "game" of every topic? Thx and sorry again for the off-topic question!

 

equipment junkie





It means that I am too....

Thanks Stavros


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Posted By: Stavros
Date Posted: 01/22/2015 at 4:14am
Originally posted by *_strataras_* *_strataras_* wrote:

Originally posted by Stavros Stavros wrote:

Originally posted by *_strataras_* *_strataras_* wrote:

Sorry for the out-of-topic question, but I am don't follow every thread, so I don't know what is EJ.Can you please explain to me, so I can be IN the "game" of every topic? Thx and sorry again for the off-topic question!

 

equipment junkie





It means that I am too....

Thanks Stavros

You are not, you play with the same setup for such a long time!


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Posted By: *_strataras_*
Date Posted: 01/22/2015 at 12:50pm
So the EJ's are the ones who change equipment really fast, and not those who buy much often equipment?

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Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 01/22/2015 at 4:36pm
Originally posted by *_strataras_* *_strataras_* wrote:

So the EJ's are the ones who change equipment really fast, and not those who buy much often equipment?
Those who buy and often use different equipment from what they previously used.
 
Right now, short pips are calling out my name... resist, resist!!!


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Posted By: 42andbackpains
Date Posted: 01/22/2015 at 7:23pm
Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Originally posted by *_strataras_* *_strataras_* wrote:

So the EJ's are the ones who change equipment really fast, and not those who buy much often equipment?
Those who buy and often use different equipment from what they previously used.
 
Right now, short pips are calling out my name... resist, resist!!!

Come to the Dark Side....you can feel the Dark Force(Short Pips)calling your name. You cannot resist it Big smileBig smileBig smile


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