Xiom Blades : Vega Tour , Pro and Europe
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Topic: Xiom Blades : Vega Tour , Pro and Europe
Posted By: spinnyserve
Subject: Xiom Blades : Vega Tour , Pro and Europe
Date Posted: 01/24/2015 at 3:26pm
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Hi All, Any experience in these 3? And how do they compare to the Zxi series? And is the quality comparable to Butterfly blades? From the blade characteristics description, i can see how they compare in theory, but just want to see if anyone has real experience, especially the Vega Tour that I am considering. here are the characteristics:    Thanks a lot! |
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Posted By: ashishsharmaait
Date Posted: 01/24/2015 at 6:56pm
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The Vega Euro is every bit comparable to the ZJK SZLC. The same big sweet spot, a bit slower and a bit flexier than the SZLC. It plays like an excellent Viscaria with a big sweet spot. I have one with FL handle, 86 grams, with T05 and T64 and these rubbers suit it well for a 2 wing attacking game. |
Posted By: spinnyserve
Date Posted: 01/24/2015 at 7:08pm
| That is what I heard that Vega Europe is designed based on(or copying) ZJK SZLC and Vega Pro is based on MJ SZLC. So I am thinking if they are similar enough, then the xiom blades are actually very good on prics. And now they have Xiom Tour, which seems to support a lot of playing strategies....so maybe that means it has a lot of gears in playing.....? |
Posted By: spinnyserve
Date Posted: 01/24/2015 at 7:09pm
| Do u think it will pair well with Chinese rubbers on FH? |
Posted By: ashishsharmaait
Date Posted: 01/25/2015 at 5:47am
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Vega Euro pairs well with Chinese rubbers. I have used it with Spin art in the past. |
Posted By: vvk1
Date Posted: 01/25/2015 at 9:02am
| I use dhs neo 3 on vega pro. Switched from viscaria. No complaints :-) |
Posted By: spinnyserve
Date Posted: 01/25/2015 at 9:56am
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that is promising from the comments so far! Thanks!!! I am using a Viscaria as well, how does the Vega Pro compare with Viscaria? |
Posted By: vvk1
Date Posted: 01/25/2015 at 10:12am
| VP feels harder and more direct, with fewer vibrations (so there may be some truth about the larger sweetspot markerspeak). Marginally faster than Viscaria. |
Posted By: spinnyserve
Date Posted: 01/25/2015 at 10:33am
| You feel same spin, control? |
Posted By: vvk1
Date Posted: 01/25/2015 at 12:04pm
| Yup. |
Posted By: berkeleydoctor
Date Posted: 01/25/2015 at 6:38pm
| anyone know the best place to buy this in NA? |
Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 01/25/2015 at 6:50pm
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Paddle Palace is one but I doubt it is best. TT11 has the best prices. The blades themselves are great. You can't go wrong with any of them. ------------- https://youtu.be/jhO4K_yFhh8?t=115" rel="nofollow - I like putting heavy topspin on the ball... Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 01/26/2015 at 3:54am
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Has anyone actually got their hands on the Tour yet? Asking for a friend... ------------- This was a great signature until I realised it was overrated. |
Posted By: VictorK
Date Posted: 01/26/2015 at 8:57am
I bought my Vega Europe blade from www.tabletennisstore.us One thing I'd like to make you guys aware of, is that the weight of these blades vary significantly. When I was buying mine, the weight varied between 75 gr and 85 gr without the protective sheets (the blades have clear, protective sheets that weigh 7-8 gr). ------------- 99% practice 1% equipment 0% ratings |
berkeleydoctor wrote:Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 01/26/2015 at 9:12am
Amazingly, yes. Just not in a rush to use it - not even sure what to make of it after I used it - I may stick some Tenergy 80 or Big Dipper on it and see how it plays. But it will be a very cursory review.
------------- https://youtu.be/jhO4K_yFhh8?t=115" rel="nofollow - I like putting heavy topspin on the ball... Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 01/26/2015 at 9:28am
Ah, this is part of the "why oh why" EJ thread from earlier. I see. Can you tell us something about the construction then? I'm wondering how thick the hinoki outer is, for example. I mean my friend is wondering these things. You've never met him. His name is Sandrew Mith. ------------- This was a great signature until I realised it was overrated. |
Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 01/26/2015 at 9:39am
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Hinoki top ply is pretty thin - there might be another Hinoki ply underneath the carbon layer before the central ply. But that might just be my eyes deceiving me. I bought it in straight handle so I could see myself selling the other Vega blades and keeping that one. Tell Sandrew Mith I said hi - I had similar questions to his so I just had to get the blade to complete the collection for my sanity. ------------- https://youtu.be/jhO4K_yFhh8?t=115" rel="nofollow - I like putting heavy topspin on the ball... Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 01/26/2015 at 11:44am
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What the world needs now is an edge-on picture of the Tour. ------------- This was a great signature until I realised it was overrated. |
Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 01/26/2015 at 1:19pm
------------- https://youtu.be/jhO4K_yFhh8?t=115" rel="nofollow - I like putting heavy topspin on the ball... Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 01/26/2015 at 1:30pm
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I'll take anything at this point. Can't find anything out on the web right now. I'll accept poetry, yodelling, interpretive dance. Whatever means you want to use to convey the feelings you feel with your feeling organs about the Tour's construction. ------------- This was a great signature until I realised it was overrated. |
Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 01/26/2015 at 6:42pm
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Try that Andy. ------------- https://youtu.be/jhO4K_yFhh8?t=115" rel="nofollow - I like putting heavy topspin on the ball... Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 01/27/2015 at 6:46am
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Many thanks NL! It's definitely a 5+2 then? ------------- This was a great signature until I realised it was overrated. |
Posted By: rusttt
Date Posted: 01/27/2015 at 6:52am
So Xiom releases the vega pro like a year ahead of the MJ SZLC and yet it's Xiom doing the copying??? If only more companies could copy Butterfly in advance and oh-by-the-way save us $250/blade. ------------- my http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=68681&title=feedback-rusttt" rel="nofollow - feedback |
Posted By: rusttt
Date Posted: 01/27/2015 at 6:59am
Definitely 5+2. I agree it appears to be Hinoki, SZLC, Hinoki, Kiri. I haven't glued it up yet so, sorry, no playing impressions. ------------- my http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=68681&title=feedback-rusttt" rel="nofollow - feedback |
Posted By: spinnyserve
Date Posted: 01/27/2015 at 1:51pm
Thanks for correction! You are right! I went back to read the comment from that blog post about these blades again and it only said they have similar composition but didn't mention about one being designed based on the other... i mixed it up.... sorry for the incorrect info. :) |
Posted By: tom
Date Posted: 01/27/2015 at 4:25pm
| NextLevel, TTping85, or anyone else that has played with both the Europe and Pro: Assuming Pro creates more spin than Europe, is it by a wide margin, noticeable , or negligible? and is the Europe more direct (sharper) than the Pro? |
Posted By: slevin
Date Posted: 01/27/2015 at 4:32pm
The MJ-SZLC is not like the Vega Pro at all. It is a very different blade. ------------- Trade feedback: http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=50787" rel="nofollow - http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=50787 |
Posted By: spinnyserve
Date Posted: 01/27/2015 at 4:44pm
Do you mind to elaborate a little on the major differences you observe? Thanks!
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Posted By: slevin
Date Posted: 01/28/2015 at 11:00am
I used to own the XVP and now play with the MJ-SZLC. I've tried a lot of other blades (most recently a very good Stiga Intensity VPS V piece and also my best ALC blade yet (a ZJK-ALC) but keep coming back to the MJ-SZLC). The 1st MJ-SZLC I bought, I sold after trying it out for 5-10 minutes (way too stiff & fast for me. The buyer, a 2500 level player / forum member found it too stiff as well). Then, I got a 2nd one what was only 86g (& 5.75mm thick) (you can't get a lighter MJ-SZLC though you could find a light XVP if that is your preference). This ticked the boxes. I found a good backup - slighly heavier but a bit thinner (89g, 5.58mm thick). The XVP has a slightly larger blade circumference and is more head-heavy (narrower handle - I just went with the regular FL in both though I think that there's a Wide FL option available for the XVP). The MJ-SZLC is very well balanced. Obviously, power is a big difference with the MJ-SZLC being much more powerful. This is true especially away from the table from where I'd classify the MJ-SZLC as OFF+ and the XVP as OFF. Close to the table, the MJ-SZLC isn't much of a rocket (I found my Koto-based TB-ZLF faster close to the table). I've tried a few OFF+ blades earlier (particularly the Qabod, the TB-ZLC and the ZJK-ZLC). With those blades, one sometimes overshoots the table. However, the advantage of the MJ-SZLC over these (and the reason why one can play with this OFF+ blade) is that it's ball bite is excellent. The Vega Pro is easier to spin with. However, you get more spin with the MJ-SZLC (beating the MJ and Viscaria, IMHO). This makes it very easy to turn incoming speed into spin if one so wants. The MJ-SZLC is slightly lower throw, lower dwell & is stiffer & more solid feeling than the Vega Pro. It takes slightly longer to familiarize oneself with - requiring a harder hit into the ball (otherwise, you may find ball go into the net - kind of surprising given it's power level). The stiffness takes a while getting used to. Once I got used to it, I surprisingly found the blade's control to be even better than that of a BTY ALC blade. Lastly, rubber compatibility: I think that the MJ-SZLC works best with 45 deg and lower hardness rubbers where-as the XVP works best with 42.5 deg and higher harder rubbers. However, from a value perspective, unless money is not a factor, the XVP is better value to most. Hope this helps. ------------- Trade feedback: http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=50787" rel="nofollow - http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=50787 |
Posted By: spinnyserve
Date Posted: 01/28/2015 at 11:14am
| slevin! Very much appreciated for your detailed description!!! Very useful information! |
Posted By: tiehwen
Date Posted: 01/28/2015 at 3:06pm
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Posted By: ashishsharmaait
Date Posted: 01/29/2015 at 3:27am
Euro is sharper than the Pro. it is also a bit slower than pro. That may have been because of the weight (pro: 91 gr, Euro 85 gr) Both blades can create good spin but in my opinion, Euro creates more spin at the table than Pro. Around 2-3 feet from the table Pro is more powerful than Euro and creates more spin on full shots. Euro has better touch than Pro. The feel of Euro is close to Viscaria. The Pro seems a more stable blade for a FH attacker (due to its weight, head-heaviness and speed) while the Euro suits a more balanced game (BH opening and aggressive blocking). Thanks |
Posted By: tom
Date Posted: 01/29/2015 at 12:33pm
Thank you Ashish, as I would imagine it would be except for slower than the Pro - but as you said, it is probably due to weight difference.
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Posted By: VictorK
Date Posted: 01/29/2015 at 3:25pm
Please be aware that Pro may not necessarily be heavier than Europe. When I was buying my blade I've seen the weights of both versions (Pro and Europe) vary between 75 and 85 gr ... and the heaviest of the four blades I weighted was Europe, at 85 grams. ------------- 99% practice 1% equipment 0% ratings |
Posted By: tom
Date Posted: 01/29/2015 at 3:31pm
Thanks for pointing that out. I am aware there is a big variation in weight with Xiom (as well as others) blades.
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Posted By: spinnyserve
Date Posted: 01/30/2015 at 6:27pm
| By the way, if someone can share your experience on differences between Vega Pro blade and the Hayabusa Zxi, that would be great! Thanks! |
Posted By: ashishsharmaait
Date Posted: 01/31/2015 at 3:25am
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Vega Pro vs Zxi. Vega Pro (limba) is the wrong blade to compare with Zxi. Vega Euro is a better comparison (koto). Stiffness: Zxi > Euro = Pro Sharpness of contact: Zxi > Euro > Pro Hardness: Zxi > Euro > Pro Touch Shots: Euro > Pro > Zxi Vibration: Euro > Pro > Zxi Rubber Hardness Match: Zxi (45 or more) > Pro, Euro (42 or more) Balance of FL: Euro > Pro > Zxi (Very Head Heavy) Distance of play: Zxi > Pro > Euro Handle size: Zxi > Euro, Pro Having owned all of these I can say that Euro is the most balanced blade. Pro is not that bad and Zxi is not that good. Zxi is too fas, direct and stiff and requires very fast feet and excellent technique. Pro is good everywhere except at the table, where it feels a bit non linear. Euro is very linearbut a little weak far off the table. It plays nearly as good as a Zjk SZLC at a third of the price. |
Posted By: rusttt
Date Posted: 01/31/2015 at 11:26am
Totally agree! ------------- my http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=68681&title=feedback-rusttt" rel="nofollow - feedback |
Posted By: spinnyserve
Date Posted: 01/31/2015 at 11:28am
| Thanks so much for your clear explanation and sharing of your experience!! |
Posted By: Gustau
Date Posted: 02/08/2016 at 9:17am
| Can anybody compare the Vega Euro to the Zetro Quad? (and, for that matter, could anybody compare either of them to the Adidas Fibertec Power?) |
Posted By: incarnation
Date Posted: 11/26/2016 at 8:50am
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any updates on VEGA TOUR compared against vega pro/europe and others? thanks |
Posted By: incarnation
Date Posted: 12/21/2016 at 10:11am
| compared with Vega Tour which one has more vibrations? Tour or pro or euro? thx |