GOOD Light Blade for H3.
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Topic: GOOD Light Blade for H3.
Posted By: aroonkl
Subject: GOOD Light Blade for H3.
Date Posted: 01/26/2015 at 4:40pm
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Due to my chronic elbow pain, I would give up my current good combo again to lighter blade. Last tournament the pain was so bad, I could not do any BH loops. Only blocks and semi-brush the balls. Luckily, my opponents did not realize it. My current combo is T05-FX, H3N with ML-5. (I was playing around with ZXI,DHS W997, DHS TG-825, H King, Barwell Fleet, ZJ ZLC&ALC, Vis.) Most of them are around 91-94g(DHS) and 85-88g(BTY/NIT/Xiom). My rating would not change much with these. Some faster and some spinnier with different feeling. Any good candidate that would work well with H3, but lighter? Is TB ALC which has lighter head feel lighter when we do BH in table loop or full swing BH? |
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Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 01/26/2015 at 5:43pm
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Dhs pg7, adidas avenger 5, tibhar rapid carbon light, stiga intensity nct ------------- Independent online TT Product reviewer of XIOM, STIGA, JOOLA, SANWEI, GEWO, AIR, ITC, APEX, YASAKA and ABROS ITTF Level 1 Coaching Course Conductor, ITTF Level 1 Coach |
Posted By: Argothman
Date Posted: 01/26/2015 at 6:05pm
| Perhaps the Viscaria light? |
Posted By: frogger
Date Posted: 01/26/2015 at 6:36pm
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Stiga Offensive CR. 81gr. for more spin, a bit less speed. More speed then Tibhar Rapid Carbon Lite, Donic Epox Power Carbon (light). ------------- Wood Paddle Red side Black side. |
Posted By: HappyHarry
Date Posted: 01/26/2015 at 7:54pm
| I haven't tried it with H3 but Stiga Infinity vps is a really good light blade. |
Posted By: aroonkl
Date Posted: 01/26/2015 at 9:36pm
 I always think PG7 is around 88g+
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yogi_bear wrote:Posted By: aroonkl
Date Posted: 01/26/2015 at 9:45pm
I still have a VPS. It is 89 g. Play ok. I am not sure how it consider a light blade. Is your less than 82g? |
Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 01/26/2015 at 9:46pm
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You probably need a light zylon carbon blade with small head but the problem is the small head - maybe Timo Boll ZLC. If you keep H3 on forehand, you may need a lighter BH rubber and some grip tape to put more weight towards the handle. That should solve most of your problem. Then spend some time not playing full matches to adjust your muscles to the change in weight or you will have pain (I find I get pain when I go from heavier to lighter or lighter to heavier because I don't adjust my swing to the new weight). ------------- https://youtu.be/jhO4K_yFhh8?t=115" rel="nofollow - I like putting heavy topspin on the ball... Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
Posted By: aroonkl
Date Posted: 01/26/2015 at 10:03pm
| Is TB ZLC head smaller than ZJ ZLC? |
Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 01/26/2015 at 11:09pm
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Not sure - should be about the same.
------------- https://youtu.be/jhO4K_yFhh8?t=115" rel="nofollow - I like putting heavy topspin on the ball... Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 01/26/2015 at 11:09pm
ive had pg7 that is about 83 grams and intensity nct at 80 grams on a legend flared handle ------------- Independent online TT Product reviewer of XIOM, STIGA, JOOLA, SANWEI, GEWO, AIR, ITC, APEX, YASAKA and ABROS ITTF Level 1 Coaching Course Conductor, ITTF Level 1 Coach |
Posted By: achoomai
Date Posted: 01/26/2015 at 11:47pm
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I would recommend BALSA or BALSA-CARBON Blade if you don't have concern on blade thickness. I think is going well with Chinese style rubber and light. ------------- My feedback : http://www.mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=58844&PN=1#726094 |
Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 01/27/2015 at 12:02am
Was going to say the same thing, but the thickness might bother a looper and the blade will still be head heavy in most cases. ------------- https://youtu.be/jhO4K_yFhh8?t=115" rel="nofollow - I like putting heavy topspin on the ball... Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
Posted By: almanian
Date Posted: 01/27/2015 at 12:19am
| tube carbo |
Posted By: aroonkl
Date Posted: 01/27/2015 at 1:29am
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For combo Balsa/H3, I could give some comment cause I tried them before. Firewall+/Barricade/TSP Balsa. They don't do well with H3. It is also slow. It seems like kick from Balsa could not shine though hard Chinese rubber. It has some spin but not close to Koto family pair with H3 either. But when I put Donic Baracuda on Balsa, they rocked.
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Posted By: anubhav1984
Date Posted: 01/27/2015 at 1:39am
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Try out Galaxy T2. You might be able to get your hands onto a Sub 80 gram T2 if you check with TTNPP. ------------- Butterfly Viscaria FL FH - Undecided BH - Undecided |
Posted By: thefred
Date Posted: 01/27/2015 at 5:34am
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Hi, was also looking for a 'lighter' combo paired with a H3. I tried balsa blades with or without carbon. It was a disaster for me. Too bouncy in the short game and too slow mid distance... I agree with Viscaria Light. It performed very well with H3! The total weight will be light but a little head heavy. Just add a grip tape and it will be perfectly balanced. Personnaly I aslo slightly adjuted the shape of the head of the blade in order to match the Waldner Egg shape. ------------- Butterfly Timo Boll Spark FH DHS Neo TG3 BH Palio CJ8000 Biotech 36-38 1.8mm http://www.palette-bleue.net |
Posted By: tt-panopticum
Date Posted: 01/27/2015 at 7:05am
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If I got your description right, I'd suggest two things: - one part of the problem might be related to the size/shape of the blade - the other part could be more weight/speed related As bh tends to be more wrist active stroke, usually larger(longer) head shape could result in more stress, what you should avoid. Also handle/neck shape is importantas some handle shaes tend to result in a lower or higher grip. My own experience with ML-5 was exactly this, it felt quite "long", resulting in very good acceleration, but also demanding/stressfull for wrist action. Among other good suggestions, I'd throw in Reygundo, small head and narrow neck part - usually very light but still enough speed. Hinoki top ply isn't everybody's taste, but I like it a lot in combination with H3. Reygundo is similar to Kong Linghui Special - just a smaller head, lighter overall (usually below 80gr.) a bit harder feeling and good speed. I'd generally go for not too slow combo, as I'd expect this to be less stress for your ellbow... Best regards |
Posted By: rusttt
Date Posted: 01/27/2015 at 7:27am
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I think you might like the Donic World Champion 89 Appelgren all+. Don't let the speed rating put you off, you can dial up the speed when you want it. Mine is 77g. I wouldn't be surprised if you could find the faster Waldner version in the low eighties if you want the extra horsepower. I asked for a heavy one and got it around 88g. If you like the koto outer feel then the Xiom Vega Euro can be found in the low eighties (mine is 82). ------------- my http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=68681&title=feedback-rusttt" rel="nofollow - feedback |
Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 01/27/2015 at 9:30am
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The Vega Euro has a slightly larger head that is why I would not encourage it purely based on weight. I considered the Rossi Emotion as well, but height mot find it powerful enough. ------------- https://youtu.be/jhO4K_yFhh8?t=115" rel="nofollow - I like putting heavy topspin on the ball... Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
Posted By: typn
Date Posted: 01/27/2015 at 10:10am
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try KLHS ------------- Blade -- DHS Long V FH -- DHS H3 BH -- DHS TG3-60 |
Posted By: rusttt
Date Posted: 01/27/2015 at 10:16am
Compared to the ML5 which runs ~100g, a savings of close to 20g is pretty significant. If the real issue is size, well that's easy to change if he otherwise likes the blade. Sanding is easy enough. I wouldn't get hung up over a mm or 2 if 30 minutes of sanding could fix the issue. Yo, OP, since you have the ZXI, you could trim it a couple of mm in length and see if that helps your elbow. If that feels better you could get the VE, repeat the sanding, and gain some control and spin vs. the ZXI. ------------- my http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=68681&title=feedback-rusttt" rel="nofollow - feedback |
Posted By: bayttplayer
Date Posted: 01/27/2015 at 1:12pm
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go with stiga, blade size smaller than others. i'm using intensity nct now, is a good one. Light and powerful. ------------- Innerforce-ZLC FL + H3 + T80 |
Posted By: aroonkl
Date Posted: 01/27/2015 at 10:44pm
I have Rosewood V 84g and VPS around 86 g. I don't think head is small. They are also not that light. |
Posted By: aroonkl
Date Posted: 01/27/2015 at 10:50pm
I have Xiom Vega Euro 84g. It plays well but with H3, it is nowhere near light weight. I actually feel combo heavier than ML-5 or ZXIs. I should be as NextLevel said. |
Posted By: aroonkl
Date Posted: 01/27/2015 at 11:01pm
I trimmed 4-5 blades included my favorite blade I played 15 years ago. I did sand little by little but still overdid it. I never achieve ideal result. They usually feel unbalance not solid. I'm still mad at myself every time I hold my old main blade. I have 2 Tibhar blades, Head are smaller than the others brand but not good feeling with H3. The balance is good though. 
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Posted By: aroonkl
Date Posted: 01/27/2015 at 11:24pm
I think you nailed it. My main blade is DHS TG-825 95g. I also have Barewell Fleet at 85g. I was comparing them side by side. With same rubbers, same cut sizes, I would say that I feel BF even at lighter weight loaded more on my elbow. Next question, what blades has little bit small head and/may be high grip also play well with H3.  Hinoki would not do it with H3. I tried many. It was the dream combo with Sriver when I was a kid. |
Posted By: bayttplayer
Date Posted: 01/28/2015 at 4:25pm
try put your butterfly or DHS blade old rubber to stiga blade, you will see the difference. Rosewood V 84g and VPS around 86 g. very light already, any 5 ply blade less than 85g I try so far has no power. I have intensity + H3 + T80 total 177 g. ------------- Innerforce-ZLC FL + H3 + T80 |
Posted By: bogeyhunter
Date Posted: 01/28/2015 at 5:33pm
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aroonkl, This's your lucky day. There are 5 NEXY blades in Tampa/Clearwater area now for NEXY team/sponsored players to test/try. Give them a chance....one of them gotta fit your need. ask Gary Fraiman.
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Posted By: GMan4911
Date Posted: 01/28/2015 at 5:54pm
Aren't the first two considered ALL/ALL+? Don't know about the TSP. I would not consider anything less than OFF- for H3. Currently using a Yinhe T-7 with H3, probably too heavy for you @ 89 gr, looking to try something with a little more speed and a little bit lighter so I ordered a Yinhe T-11+, a balsa carbon blade. It was on sale at aliexpress for $18. Should be here in a couple weeks. If your elbow problem is tennis elbow, it can be fixed. ------------- OSP Ultimate II, FH/ITC Powercell Ultra 48 Max BH/ITC Powercell Ultra 48 Max ITC Challenge Speed, FH/ITC Powercell Ultra 48 Max BH/Powercell Ultra 48 Max |
Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 01/28/2015 at 6:02pm
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Heavier rackets by themselves, except in extreme weight increase scenarios, rarely cause injuries. The real issues tend to be racket balance, old age, arm centric technique, straight arm finishes of strokes and finally, changing rackets and swinging as hard without letting your arm and body adjust. ------------- https://youtu.be/jhO4K_yFhh8?t=115" rel="nofollow - I like putting heavy topspin on the ball... Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
Posted By: slevin
Date Posted: 01/28/2015 at 8:50pm
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Aroonkl: +1 on what NL said. Additionally: I wouldn't recommend a ZLC blade with H3 unless you're using one of the softer sponged H3s. The reason why you found the Barwell Fleet to be painful is that it is head-heavy due to it's walnut outers. I'd recommend going back to one of the blades you've played around with: the ZJK-ALC. First, H3 goes real well with the BTY ALC blades. Second, the ZJK-ALC has a longer and wider handle than the Viscaria or TB-ALC and hence has better blade balance (it is 157x150 as well). Select one around the 84g range and you'll be good to do! ------------- Trade feedback: http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=50787" rel="nofollow - http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=50787 |
Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 01/28/2015 at 9:25pm
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Then add some grip tape for good measure, stop doing crazy strokes for a week or two while your body adjusts to the weight and most importantly, stop EJIng so much across such different blades! ------------- https://youtu.be/jhO4K_yFhh8?t=115" rel="nofollow - I like putting heavy topspin on the ball... Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
Posted By: aroonkl
Date Posted: 01/28/2015 at 9:30pm
Firewall+ is thick Balsa blade. Around 10mm Balsa core. If paired with modern rubbers, it is lot faster than Vis. Try Balsa carbon and let us know if it is good with H3. I doubt it. Yes it is tennis elbow. |
Posted By: aroonkl
Date Posted: 01/28/2015 at 9:53pm
Is ZJ ALC head same size as TB ALC? I believe TB-ALC is smaller than Vis. (too bad, I sold it.) I play with Vis and ZJ ALC. Both 85-6 g, ZJ is little bit head lighter but not much. May be have to try it again. |
Posted By: aroonkl
Date Posted: 01/28/2015 at 9:59pm
Thank you for Offering. That is nice. What do you have for them to test here? |
Posted By: aroonkl
Date Posted: 01/28/2015 at 10:22pm
I tried grip tapes. Could not stand it when shifting grip for BH in table loops. It seems sticky and in the way somehow. == stop EJIng so much across such different blades! ==  , I thought we here had the same sickness.
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Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 01/28/2015 at 10:48pm
Which is why I can diagnose the problem having seen how you play. My current set up is 194g or so, but it is weighted towards the handle because of the grip tape, and the more I slow down and use it, the less elbow pain I have. The point of a heavier setup is that you shouldn't be swinging hard with your arm, all other things being equal. If you want to do that, then you have to use something lighter. But your body needs time to adjust to the new swing speed regardless, but the way you change so often, you are probably swinging hard with blades of different weights and balances and that is going to cause you to swing too fast and swing too slow and your arm will not know how to adjust to all the changes going on quickly enough to avoid elbow injury. ------------- https://youtu.be/jhO4K_yFhh8?t=115" rel="nofollow - I like putting heavy topspin on the ball... Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
Posted By: GMan4911
Date Posted: 01/29/2015 at 2:25am
I had tennis elbow last year and after reading this article http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/08/25/phys-ed-an-easy-fix-for-tennis-elbow/" rel="nofollow - http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/08/25/phys-ed-an-easy-fix-for-tennis-elbow/ I got myself a rubber bar and did the recommended exercises. My tennis elbow was cured in about 10 weeks. ------------- OSP Ultimate II, FH/ITC Powercell Ultra 48 Max BH/ITC Powercell Ultra 48 Max ITC Challenge Speed, FH/ITC Powercell Ultra 48 Max BH/Powercell Ultra 48 Max |
Posted By: aroonkl
Date Posted: 01/29/2015 at 10:32pm
==The point of a heavier setup is that you shouldn't be swinging hard with your arm== It would apply to SPEED of the out-going balls. But for spin, light or heavy blade, it normally still has to rub at same speed to generate equally spin. My elbow never hurt when I step down the weight. Ask me how I know. (I talked to it and it talked back. ) Last year it hurt badly, I played with 2 light rubbers and symptom disappeared.
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Posted By: aroonkl
Date Posted: 01/29/2015 at 10:39pm
I sometime do that too. My tennis elbow, the outside of forearm, is not bad. The one I have now is under forearm near the tip of elbow. Any exercise for this. |
Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 01/29/2015 at 11:11pm
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With lighter rubbers, you probably don't swing as hard. Either that or you swing with your arm less. When I change, I always overswing. You may be straightening the arm too much on your BH loop. ------------- https://youtu.be/jhO4K_yFhh8?t=115" rel="nofollow - I like putting heavy topspin on the ball... Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
Posted By: GMan4911
Date Posted: 01/29/2015 at 11:48pm
I'm not sure I understand. If the pain is on the outside elbow, it's called tennis elbow. If it's on the inside of the elbow, it's called golfer's elbow.  There are exercises for golfer's elbow too. ------------- OSP Ultimate II, FH/ITC Powercell Ultra 48 Max BH/ITC Powercell Ultra 48 Max ITC Challenge Speed, FH/ITC Powercell Ultra 48 Max BH/Powercell Ultra 48 Max |
Posted By: aroonkl
Date Posted: 01/30/2015 at 4:29am
Ha..Ha.. I'm pretty sure, with the lighter ones, I swing harder. I think body conditions are different. I always have problem with this elbow. Even while I stopped tt for 10 years, I shew up times to times when I carried a lot of tires or used pliers at work. Or when I renovated my store, I used hammers a lot and this elbow hurt like crazy. |
Posted By: aroonkl
Date Posted: 01/30/2015 at 4:33am
It is the tendon that attach to the elbow from Tricep.  |
Posted By: GMan4911
Date Posted: 01/30/2015 at 11:12am
Ok, I get it - triceps tendonitis. The treatment for that should be similar to tennis elbow - massaging, stretching, and strengthening the triceps instead of the forearm muscles. Try this exercise. There are others on youtube you can try. ------------- OSP Ultimate II, FH/ITC Powercell Ultra 48 Max BH/ITC Powercell Ultra 48 Max ITC Challenge Speed, FH/ITC Powercell Ultra 48 Max BH/Powercell Ultra 48 Max |
Posted By: hhca
Date Posted: 01/30/2015 at 2:12pm
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Kanaph is light yet fast and powerful. Goes well with h3 |
Posted By: aroonkl
Date Posted: 01/30/2015 at 11:32pm
GMan4911, Thanks for the link. I have been sometime doing alike this massage. I did not use the ball but use a Liquor bottle knob.
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Posted By: aroonkl
Date Posted: 01/30/2015 at 11:47pm
I dug out Rosewood V from closet. You are right. Head is smaller than DHS. It was actually 81g. I put on H3 & T05fx. Balance is good and lighter. One down side, could I have the faster blade with more elastic feeling ? |
Posted By: aroonkl
Date Posted: 01/31/2015 at 12:09am
| Big Thank to Bogeyhunter. He got me a loan arrangement of Nexy Qabod. Blade is very nice and well made. I could not wait to try it this weekend. |
Posted By: GMan4911
Date Posted: 02/20/2015 at 3:09am
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Received the Yinhe T-11+ last week and have played with it a couple sessions so far. The weight was 72gr without rubber and 172gr with a sheet of H3 commercial (untuned), a sheet of Sanwei T88-I, and foam edge tape. My other setup is a Yinhe T-7 with H3 on both sides. I play close to the table with that setup. With the T-11+, it's quite a bit faster so I'm playing a step or two back from the table. So far, the results are promising. I'll post more after I get a few more sessions in. ------------- OSP Ultimate II, FH/ITC Powercell Ultra 48 Max BH/ITC Powercell Ultra 48 Max ITC Challenge Speed, FH/ITC Powercell Ultra 48 Max BH/Powercell Ultra 48 Max |