Best Chinese Rubbers
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Topic: Best Chinese Rubbers
Posted By: wankhao
Subject: Best Chinese Rubbers
Date Posted: 01/28/2015 at 8:11am
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I have a question for those who have used Chinese Rubbers. What is the best Chinese Rubbers have you purchased and used? In term of quality and in term of value for money, with or without Booster Glue, which Chinese Rubbers would you recommend as a substitute for Japanese brands like Butterfly or European brands like Donic, or Xiom? I'm after substitutes for Tenergy, BlueFire and the like. |
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Posted By: Believer
Date Posted: 01/28/2015 at 8:22am
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My latest new love is the new Friendship 729 Battle 2 (Tacky) rubber. See my review on this thread. http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=69984&PN=1#851582" rel="nofollow - http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=69984&PN=1#851582 I bought mine from eBay: http://www.ebay.com/itm/729-Battle-II-Tacky-Pips-in-Table-Tennis-Ping-Pong-Rubber-NEW-type-/311269681245?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item48791e685d" rel="nofollow - http://www.ebay.com/itm/729-Battle-II-Tacky-Pips-in-Table-Tennis-Ping-Pong-Rubber-NEW-type-/311269681245?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item48791e685d I don't know this dealer other than the fact that I have purchased from this dealer a few times and the service is good.
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Posted By: atomant
Date Posted: 01/28/2015 at 8:32am
| Currently using LDTT hard FH and soft for BH, new rubbers from LIDU, famous for the glue. Tacky rubber with European sponge. No booster required and design to play with the new plastic ball. |
Posted By: Believer
Date Posted: 01/28/2015 at 8:44am
| May I ask what are LDTT and LIDU? |
Posted By: wankhao
Date Posted: 01/28/2015 at 9:22am
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Hi Believer According to you review, H3 is always > or at least = B2 in terms of tackiness, speed, spin or blocking. What do you recommend B2 for? Why don't you recommend H3 instead? |
Posted By: saif
Date Posted: 01/28/2015 at 9:57am
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Best one that I had used is H3 Provincial old version. This Neo version is not tacky enough. ------------- TBS FH & BH: T05fx Tibhar Samsonov Alpha FH: Grip-S Europe BH: Rakza7 soft Victas Koji Matsushita FH: Tenergy 80 BH: Feint long III https://www.facebook.com/groups/5439549367/ |
Posted By: TT newbie
Date Posted: 01/28/2015 at 10:24am
| No doubts the best chinese rubber I tested was a blue-sponged Skyline TG3 national version wildly tuned with DHS booster. A friend of mine let me hit with his combo (a Hurricane King cpen) and I was amazed by its speed and softness. |
Posted By: atomant
Date Posted: 01/28/2015 at 11:12am
LIDU is quite a new brand founded by the Chemist from Haifu. His initial products are glue and booster. Last year, he launched a new rubber called LDTT (ITTF 140-001) and currently used by the some junior members in China and Korea. Currently, not much of marketing being done except word by mouth. An interesting news I heard was .... China nationals are not allowed to use Haifu products. |
Believer wrote:Posted By: JBurn244
Date Posted: 01/28/2015 at 12:12pm
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Hard to beat Hurricanes if that's your cup of tea. Gambler Outlaw is also quite good if you are looking for something Euro style. ------------- Donic Persson Powerplay Tenergy 80-FX Donic Acuda P2 |
Posted By: Hautamaeki
Date Posted: 01/28/2015 at 4:52pm
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Best chinese rubbers, well, I guess it depends on your type of game. I have tryed a lot of chinese rubbers all normal comercial ones. best 4 Yinhe Big Dipper Yinhe Apollo 3 Sanwei T88-I Tuttle Beijing III I tryed Tg3 neo DHS G888 Blue whale II Grip-S Xu shao fa 999 lsz |
Posted By: in2spin
Date Posted: 01/28/2015 at 6:33pm
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haifu blue whale ii - last generation - with the black sponge - not the red sponge :)
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Posted By: Believer
Date Posted: 01/28/2015 at 8:06pm
| That is a good question. It comes to preference. For an example, although h3 has better speed off the table, I don't hit too often far from table. So I prefer one that works better closer to the table. My review is to present my thoughts on the characteristics. But you will have to decide which characteristics fit your game better. Plus I have to tune h3 in order to play better, so to me, an untuned h3 is not as good as the battle 2. That's why I said that b2 is the most playable Chinese rubber out of the package. Once battle 2 tuning effect runs out, then it may not be a good one. But off the package, it works well for me. |
Posted By: wankhao
Date Posted: 01/28/2015 at 8:13pm
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Hi Believer How long have you used B2 now? and How long its pre-tuned effect would last for? |
Posted By: chop4ever
Date Posted: 01/28/2015 at 8:16pm
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802, or 802-40 is the best Chinese rubber 4ever! ------------- There is no real "pro", "prov" or "NT" H3 in the market. Falco is not a booster |
Posted By: Believer
Date Posted: 01/28/2015 at 8:29pm
| I am only on my first week and a half. That's why I will check to see how long the effect will wear out. |
Posted By: acid
Date Posted: 01/28/2015 at 8:40pm
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to save money, i started with DHS TG2 Skyline, Neo H3 for $15 to $18. Then when i got better, I bought TinArc, Gold Arc, Andro Rasant (super fast), Joola Max, Nittaku C-2, Donic BlueFires then Butterfly Tenergy 05 & 64 (25 & 80 are not that great compare to 05 & 64 in my opinion). And Remember, when you got used to the Tenergies.... you can't go back !  i don't know what they put in it but it really good ! Good luck and welcome to a new Journey ! |
Posted By: wankhao
Date Posted: 01/29/2015 at 1:53am
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Hi Acid I've tried Tenergy 05. It's not much different from Haifu Big Whale. The only different is Tenergy 05 delivers more catapult and lasts three times longer than Haifu. Chinese Rubbers have a reputation of its effect die out very soon, especially with low-cost rubbers under $30 or $20. that's why I am asking for the best Chinese rubbers. |
Posted By: AgentHEX
Date Posted: 01/29/2015 at 5:34am
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It'd be so nice if someone who's tried a bunch can evaluate them on basic elasticity in normal & tangential direction plus tack & built-in tune instead of meaningless "good for block". Good for whose block? Literally only a one-line description is necessary to capture functional qualities unless there's some exceptional aspect. For example, most of the newer ESN rubbers are similar to Tenergy in normal elasticity and somewhat less in tangential (ie. lower throw, less spin), and drop off faster due to heavier tune. Tuned non-tack Yinhe's (and most such chinese rubbers) are more like a crappier ESN than Tenergy even if they use more natural rubber like T and have the grippier face. Most of the diffs here are maybe ~10%. The chinese rubber that are almost as good tend to be heavily tuned and drop off even quicker than ESN. In sum, if you buy at decent prices, the market is currently about a doubling in price (chinese-> esn->tenergy) for each ~10% step up at the faster end. To bring value you need to find the product that's exception to this. ------------- Science; upsetting the indignant since http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_affair#Inquisition_and_first_judgement.2C_1616" rel="nofollow - 1616 . |
Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 01/29/2015 at 8:40am
This is a great summary. I'd say that some recent Chinese offerings are pushing the ratio more now. 729 Battle I is amazingly good value for money, and gets much closer to the performance of last-gen ESN than anything I've used before (very close to Acuda, with a slight loss of speed and bounciness), while 729 Aurora is remarkably close to Stiga Boost in most respects. Current-gen ESN rubbers still have the edge in terms of topsheet (non-tacky) grip IMO. ------------- This was a great signature until I realised it was overrated. |
Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 01/29/2015 at 1:05pm
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How did we get this far without mentioning Big Dipper? ------------- https://youtu.be/jhO4K_yFhh8?t=115" rel="nofollow - I like putting heavy topspin on the ball... Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
Posted By: Believer
Date Posted: 01/29/2015 at 6:03pm
| AndySmith, if you are still using Big Dipper, perhaps you can give Battle 2 a try as well. |
Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 01/29/2015 at 6:07pm
I'm sick of talking about how AMAZING it is.
But BD is just AMAZING. Urgh. I feel sick again now. The hardness of Battle 2 puts me off. I much prefer BD 38 to the harder sponged versions, for example. ------------- This was a great signature until I realised it was overrated. |
Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 01/29/2015 at 6:11pm
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The 47 deg version may not be that bad. But like you, I am not in the mood to try anything. Just the way it is now. ------------- https://youtu.be/jhO4K_yFhh8?t=115" rel="nofollow - I like putting heavy topspin on the ball... Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
Posted By: wankhao
Date Posted: 01/29/2015 at 9:17pm
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Hi Andy Smith You're quite right that Chinese rubbers are pushing the ratio and performance compared to Jap and Euro. However, Chinese rubbers prices are increasing as well. Starting from under $20, now most of them are getting around $30, not to mention those national Chinese rubbers could be as pricey as Butterfly. I just met a guy who boasted to me that he just paid $90 for a chinese rubber. Is it true? |
Posted By: khmd
Date Posted: 01/29/2015 at 9:22pm
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one of the largest and very reputable web has this rubber for 1290 RMB http://www.ebest2008.com/dhstj/dhs-lhmnakk3.html 988 RMB http://www.ebest2008.com/dhstj/dhs-lgk.html |
Posted By: Hautamaeki
Date Posted: 01/30/2015 at 5:29am
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have anibody tried DHS PF4 before? I tried it once boosted in a blade I dont remember and I think it was more less like Big Dipper no booster. I put a big dipper on a korbel for one of my players (defensive), and he is very powerfull on the FH, I was Impressed, I would be using Big Dipper if TT-store.eu had it in black, so I use Yinhe Apollo 3 with booster. Ohh I put a DHS G888 on the backhand of another payer of mine, she is more controled now, she used Aurus before. |
Posted By: Believer
Date Posted: 01/30/2015 at 6:49am
| Agree, B2 does need the proper blade to make it work for its hardness. If they come up with a 45 degree version, that will be a good alternative. I play with 39 degree H3 tuned. So 45 degree in that scale will work better. But I am adjusting it for now and give it a go just so that I don't have to tune it during tournament. Will see how it go... |
Posted By: wankhao
Date Posted: 01/30/2015 at 9:14am
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Hi Believer At USD22, B2 is not cheap for a chinese-made rubber, especially a 729! Compared to H3, apart from not having to tune, do you find any advantage of B2 when using on the FH? For example, lower/deeper loop? faster/ punchier smash? Have you played Haifu Bigwhale before? If yes, how does B2 compare to Bigwhale? |
Posted By: Believer
Date Posted: 01/31/2015 at 8:49am
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I have played Blue whale a long time ago for a short period of time. My memory of BW2 is more dynamic than H3 on the drive shots that has more pop. However, I find H3 is easier to control. In some ways, Battle 2 is similar to that. I think Battle 2 has more spin than BW2. I guess that if you use to play with European rubber, and want to try Chinese rubber, Battle 2 will offer an easier transition before you go to H3 tuned. But if you are already playing H3 Chinese rubber, Battle 2 may just be an EJ target to try. It will come down to personal preferences and other intangibles such as no need to tune or slightly slower for better control. I am not trying to promote the rubber one way or the other. I am just expressing my thoughts on this rubber. I am personally switching to it at least for now and I will be playing it for a couple of tournaments and see what happens.
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Posted By: wankhao
Date Posted: 02/02/2015 at 7:26am
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Hi Believer, Do you recommend 729B2 for FH or BH ? |
Posted By: Hautamaeki
Date Posted: 02/02/2015 at 8:26am
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Hi I received a black sheet of Tuttle beijing III it was supposed to be purple sponge...but it is light pink...is this normal?
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Posted By: stevenjlyang
Date Posted: 02/04/2015 at 2:41am
| i think it depends on what kind of blade you are using and your type of game. mostly Chinese rubbers are tacky and sponge are stiffness. |
Posted By: Believer
Date Posted: 02/04/2015 at 8:17pm
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wankhao, IMO, 729 B2 is a FH rubber. Also, just got an email from the dealer that he now has a 45 degree version. I just purchase one sheet to try. So apparently, this rubber has 49, 47, and 45 degree of hardness. So 45 will be something that I will be interested to try. So perhaps you can get a sheet and try it yourself. |
Posted By: Avallo
Date Posted: 02/04/2015 at 8:53pm
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the best that i ever used is DHS Hurricane 3 National Blue Sponge with 3layers of seamoon booster great speed, spin and throw angle.... but suck for my wallet ------------- an indonesian tennis table maniac http://www.mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=73216&title=feedback-avallo" rel="nofollow - MY FEEDBACK |
Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 11/21/2016 at 9:18am
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OK, slight necro on this post. Forum member ghostzen recently went on a magical TT journey to foreign lands and picked up a few interesting items. He's a lovely chap and passed on a sheet of Lidu Gold (LDTT EA777) on medium sponge to me. The sponge is very reminiscent of the one used on Target National - dark blue, porous. I wouldn't call it german, but it's very similar to many of the newer chinese porous sponges we have seen recently on things like Soulspin P16. The topsheet is just barely tacky - more along the lines of Big Dipper perhaps. The pips look on the small side and are spaced out reasonably widely. The main thing from first inspection is the boost - it's insane. Easily the most boosted sheet of any rubber I've ever had. It has a slight curl out of the packet, but the sponge is very thick and the smell is incredibly strong. It actually smells just like the Bluefire M/Evolution -P booster, only stronger. Which makes me wonder if there is a link between TRF and Lidu's boosters. It's a very interesting rubber. Of all the hybrids I've tried, EA777 has the most raw performance. The spin is very good, topsheet has mild tack, high grip. The top-end speed is very high, most likely due to the boost. When on the offense, playing positively and dictating the pace, it's amazing. In comparison with the traditional (unboosted) chinese rubber experience, it helps out a lot when out of position or pushed away from the table. Spin in the short game is very high, service is excellent, and although the high gears are very fast it's still pretty linear and easy to use. I'd compare it to a broken-in, well-boosted sheet of H3-50. The main downsides - it's very sensitive to incoming spin. This is the rubber which demonstrates that there is no free lunch with regards topsheet reaction and catapult. This week I had it on a Yasaka Goiabao and although it was a total weapon when attacking a passive opponent, it was very demanding when dealing with high incoming speed and spin. I found blocking was super tough, but backing away and counterlooping was much easier. Blade choice plays a part here as well of course, but it was mostly the same experience last week on a softer, slower blade too. Also, how long will the boost last? How hard is it to get another sheet (not easy to find them)? And it isn't cheap in comparison with some chinese rubbers (although you're paying for the boost job in part, which is excellent).
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Posted By: slowd16z
Date Posted: 11/22/2016 at 12:07pm
How would you compare the spin abilities compared to Commercial H3Neo or Tenergy 05? Also, would you say that it's even more spin sensitive than T05? Lastly, could you compare the throw angle of the rubber? Thanks.
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Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 11/22/2016 at 12:46pm
Like recent hybrids, the comparison with H3N is the same as it always is. The sponge is softer, more elastic. The tack is lower. If you love H3N for what it is and won't compromise on its features - a hard, tacky rubber - then you would be disappointed in the same way that you would be with H3-50, SoulSpin P16ST or Big Dipper 38. Essentially, it's less spinny on very brushy shots, but it's easier to generate spin with a more general drive stroke. T05 is always a tricky comparison. I'd say it's just as spin sensitive overall to T05 but there are differences in context with the Lidu being mildly tacky. The Lidu doesn't feel as jumpy or reactive in very passive situations, but when loops come in with spin and speed it reacts more. Throw angle is medium but can be adjusted somewhat by how much brush you use. The arc gets very long on bigger shots and it can be a handful.
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Posted By: slowd16z
Date Posted: 11/22/2016 at 12:56pm
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I was just wondering because I've been messing with MX-P on the forehand side and I like it a lot but wish that it had a little more tack to help with the short game. I think LIDU Gold sounds interesting enough to try. Thanks a lot Andy.
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Posted By: Chairman Meow
Date Posted: 11/22/2016 at 3:13pm
You can get them here: http://www.saletabletennis.com/?product=lidu-gold I have also seen them for sale on prott.cc multiple times, but it is currently not there. ------------- -1 ply Cypress 11.5mm "The Castigator" -H3 Prov. Blue Sponge 2.2mm 41 deg. -H3 Prov. Orange Sponge 2.1mm 37 deg |
Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 11/22/2016 at 3:14pm
OK, it's a possibility for sure. It lacks the early catapult of MX-P for sure, and it's not a direct replacement, but it might do a job. I really like it so far but I'm concerned about how difficult it is to get replacement sheets.
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Posted By: piligrim
Date Posted: 11/22/2016 at 3:24pm
| $40 for unknown chinese rubber? can get h3 provincial for this price |
Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 11/22/2016 at 4:44pm
I've seen it slightly cheaper in the past, but the comparison is a good one. As things stand, I'd rather have the Lidu than a H3Prov because it's far easier to use in an allround playstyle. You would have to boost H3Prov to narrow the useability gap, and even then I just prefer lower tack these days. It's a personal thing and won't be the same for everyone - I just prefer many of these hybrids these days. I'd rather have H3-50 (boosted or on a fast blade) than H3Prov, for example. As for the price - IMO the better comparison is with other chinese hybrids like Rising Dragon, Genesis, Target National, Project 16ST, and the prices on these are reasonably high when compared to traditional chinese rubbers. Or perhaps you pay the difference for the quality of the boost job - it does feel a little like a boosted Rising Dragon. Durability is also unknown for me at this point obviously. I'm told that these are used as training rubbers by the korean national team (from a source, not just from web gossip) and I can believe that - the quality is high enough.
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Posted By: peter234
Date Posted: 11/27/2016 at 5:58am
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Posted By: chop4ever
Date Posted: 11/27/2016 at 7:37am
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The best of Chinese rubber is 729 802 short pips: top durability and very long last. ------------- There is no real "pro", "prov" or "NT" H3 in the market. Falco is not a booster |
Posted By: Knuckle Ball
Date Posted: 11/28/2016 at 4:03am
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Yinhe Moon works best for me. ------------- Blade: Rosewood NCT V FH: Dignics 05 Black BH: Moristo SP Red |
Posted By: ronakvyas86
Date Posted: 11/28/2016 at 4:28am
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Bomb mopha ------------- Yasaka Goiabao 5 CPEN, Donic Baracuda MAX FH & RPB |
Posted By: danjacob02
Date Posted: 11/28/2016 at 10:34pm
| If you like the H3 Neo Provincial Blue Sponge, then the Palio Hadou 40+ is worth a try. The H3 feels better, but the Hadou plays better imho. It's factory boosted though and not sure how long it lasts, and is only slightly tacky but has a nice boost job on the sponge. They go for $13 at eacheng and for that price it's worth trying. |