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Topic: Training videosPosted By: 3Ttabletennis
Subject: Training videos
Date Posted: 04/03/2015 at 1:16pm
Hi everybody,
wehave launched a new project inclub training: During youth training in our club we do some video shooting. Afterwards we upload the movies to youtube. The videosincludeexcerptsfrommultiball practiceortable tennisexercises. The juniors havea lot of funandare very concentrated. Additionally they can compare self and external perception. The videosdo not includetechnicallyperfect execution of the exercises,butsimply showdifferent exercisesof everyday training (amateur players). So don't expect pro players!
Here area fewexemplary videos:
irregular Multiball:
serve training:
Tabletennis-Biathlon:
Agility ladder and multiball:
Multiball: attack vs. defense:
How do you think about our project?
All our videos you can find here: http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCVnpFnciKxAPpNPbnQa_vwQ" rel="nofollow - www.youtube.com/channel/UCVnpFnciKxAPpNPbnQa_vwQ I hope you will like it.
Posted By: V-Griper
Date Posted: 04/05/2015 at 6:11pm
What is your philosophy on teaching what grips to use for FH and BH?
I mention this because when looking at the backhand banana flip vid I noticed that the grip used for the shot will make it difficult to get much spin or speed. His arm motion is correct but the neutral grip makes the shot more difficult to execute imho.
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Posted By: 3Ttabletennis
Date Posted: 04/07/2015 at 3:27pm
Hey v-griper, When the kids start playing tabletennis, we usually show them a neutral grip. Most of them also play later with neutral grip. But i think there should be no general rule. The grip should fit to the style of playing.
Posted By: 3Ttabletennis
Date Posted: 04/15/2015 at 11:50am
We practiced the cross step again. This time the cross step was used after running around the backhand. There is also a nice around-the-net shot at the end of the video
Posted By: V-Griper
Date Posted: 04/15/2015 at 1:33pm
I was actually going to comment on the previous one to the effect that the wall thing was unnecessary. But you fixed it anyway.
The only critique I have is that the cross step foot placement is not being executed correctly, or at least not the same as high level players.
Ball contact should be made after pushing off from the right leg and before the left foot touches the floor. In your sequence the left foot touches the floor first which inhibits the power transmission into the ball by the right leg.
What I think the sequence should be after the last forehand.
-step out with the right foot/leg first
-compress the right side to load for the shot
-push off from the right leg lunging towards the ball
-make contact with the ball at the end of the lung/push from the right leg. Usually both feet are off the ground at this point.
-left leg crosses in front of the right leg and contacts the ground
-right leg extends out to the side and contacts the ground
So right leg out, lean forward and push off, ball contact, left foot, right foot. Basically the payer jumps toward the ball pushing off with the right leg.
Examples-
------------- DHS 301 Xiom Vega 7pro FH/BH
Posted By: aroonkl
Date Posted: 04/15/2015 at 3:29pm
@VGRIPPER.
Actually the FW in 3Ttabletennis video is the right Storke/Footwork for beginer. And it will also used to cover
wide angle from far left to far right table at elite level. After you learn to walk and transfer your
weight toward in looping at far FH corner, you could compact the the stoke and jump while looping. We gotta
learn to walk before we jump.
In the Chinese video, he is at veteran level. The ball is not far off, also he want to initiated attack fast.
The key are the same. Hip/body rotation, initial transfer weight, position body semi-front or front toward far
corner. Put weight/balnace to front of body, walk toward (or walk crossing legs if body is semi-front toward the
balls), not side-step like usual. Swing your weight/hip and right leg as you looping. At the end of looping, body
return to neutral position.
Posted By: Leftyy
Date Posted: 04/15/2015 at 6:55pm
This looks very good, keep it up!
Posted By: V-Griper
Date Posted: 04/15/2015 at 8:44pm
More examples-
The crossover footwork section starts at 4:00
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Posted By: 3Ttabletennis
Date Posted: 04/17/2015 at 3:43am
Hey V-griper, thank you very much for your comments and for the videos showing the footwork of proplayers. You are right. The cross step of our juniors differs from the cross step in your videos. The cross step in your videos has more dynamic. So i will show the videos to the juniors. Maybe they can improve their cross step and we can record a new video in a few weeks. So thanks for the comments. We want to learn and improve!
Posted By: Clarence247
Date Posted: 05/11/2015 at 8:08am
In the Topspin vs underspin 25secs - 55secs the player is executing the technique wrongly because his finishing position is beyond the centre point ( where your nose is if you are facing forwards) - this makes recovery a lot harder and also loses control. The extra side movement also loses power as the power is misdirected. Typically when we train multiball and this trait is visible a 3rd person is brought in to stand next to the player executing the stoke - he stands with his had flat out at the centre point so that the player doing the topspin cannot go further than that.
How do you normally correct this?
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Posted By: V-Griper
Date Posted: 05/11/2015 at 10:37am
I think the best criticism I have is that the NPA(non playing arm) of each player in the video is not well managed.
If you observe the highest level players you will see that the NPA is coordinated in such a way as to assist with the upper torso rotation in many ways, both on the FH and the BH.
Rather than go into a long explanation I will link to a good article on the subject that goes into great detail. I came to all the same conclusions independently. The author has expressed all the of the fundamental concepts well imo.
Posted By: 3Ttabletennis
Date Posted: 05/13/2015 at 3:01am
@Clarence247: You are right. The stroke is to long and doesn't end in front of the head. We usually use differents methods for the correction. - For some kids it's enough to tell them that they should stop the stroke in front of the head. - The kids should tell me after every stroke, where the stroke ended. This approach can cause additional awareness for their movements - A third person risks some broken bones and stops the stroke with his hand :) - The kids can wear a baseball cap und should stop the stroke at the cap
@V-griper: Thank you for the article about the NPA. This article is very interesting and helpful. I havn't paid to much attention to the NPA so far. Now I think we have do some work regarding the NPA. Thanks a lot, V-griper!
Posted By: diedona
Date Posted: 05/13/2015 at 8:11pm
hey, thats a nice idea!! i liked the videos and the initiative. i can't say much about the videos other than i am liking the strokes!
Keep on with the project! =)
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Posted By: 3Ttabletennis
Date Posted: 05/14/2015 at 10:08am
Thank you, diedona!
This time we had some training against long pimples:
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Posted By: 3Ttabletennis
Date Posted: 05/22/2015 at 11:53am
This week we filmed a basic drill for multiball. In Germany it's called "Falkenberg": Backhand from backhand side, forehand from backhand side, forehand from forehand side
Posted By: PierreAd
Date Posted: 05/24/2015 at 3:12pm
I noticed this thread quite a while ago, but didn't have time to read it and watch the videos before. I just did that and I wanted to say that this is an excellent idea, I understand the interest both for all those young players. I'm sure it's really motivating for them ! Plus you seem to provide them quality training, so this is obviously very interesting for their progress. Keep on the good work, I subscribed to this topic and your YT channel, looking forward to seeing more of this.
BTW, are your coaches professionnals (I mean, is coaching/training their main job), or just amateur players from your club ? I'm asking because this must take quite a while for you/them to prepare the sessions, and afterwards edit and process the videos (I do some TT videos from time to time, and it generally takes me lots of time).
Posted By: 3Ttabletennis
Date Posted: 05/25/2015 at 10:22am
Hey PierreAd, Thank you very much for your kind words! I'm no professional coach. Tabletennis is only a hobby for me, but i invest quite a lot time for this great hobby The video project causes some additional effort after the training sessions. The training would take place anyway. The processing of the videos and the upload can take some hours. First i wanted to make only a few videos for pomotion for our junior team and that the juniors can show their friends the videos (Too many people think that tabletennis is no sport ). But after uploading a few videos I noticed that our juniors like the videos. They wanted to go on with the video project. At the moment we have 32 videos. Additionally they can see their own strokes and mistakes. So it helps them to improve their own stroke technique. I also think it will be interesting to see and compare the development of our junior players in a few years. There are still many ideas in my head. So we will go on with the video project.
Posted By: PierreAd
Date Posted: 05/27/2015 at 9:44am
Argh my answer was deleted accidentally. I was just saying that you must invest quite a lot of time in table tennis indeed, that's great for the players you're training, I hope they realize they're really lucky. Looking forward to seeing the next videos and training, it's already given me some ideas I'd be glad to test with other players in my own club ;)
Posted By: 3Ttabletennis
Date Posted: 05/31/2015 at 11:02am
Another attempt for multiball practice: After every stroke the player dropes his racket on the table. So the player is forced to use a short and fast movement for the next forehand topspin:
Posted By: lineup32
Date Posted: 05/31/2015 at 12:56pm
thats interesting idea! normally I try and come to a ready position between strokes but this looks like a good alternative to mix into my robot training. Also going from FH to BH between strokes with this training could be helpful. anyway thanks for the video
Posted By: 3Ttabletennis
Date Posted: 05/31/2015 at 3:03pm
Here is a second video for fast and short movements. The player gets 2 balls with high frequency from multiball. So there is no chance for long movements and the player is again forced to use a short and fast forehand topspin stroke.
Here is another video for irregular multiball training:
Posted By: benfb
Date Posted: 06/13/2015 at 3:18am
Slow and spiny topspins were always among my favorite shots, but with the new plastic balls they are so easy to block or smash. They still have some use, but not as much as before (with celluloid).
Posted By: Tassie52
Date Posted: 06/13/2015 at 5:56am
3Ttabletennis wrote:
Another attempt for multiball practice: After every stroke the player dropes his racket on the table. So the player is forced to use a short and fast movement for the next forehand topspin:
There is no way he's going to be back in position for the next ball in a live situation. Look where his stroke finishes!!!
Posted By: FlatHitter
Date Posted: 06/13/2015 at 11:09am
Here is a really good training video... http://www.modbee.com/sports/article23945470.html" rel="nofollow - Colin Kaepernick shows off pingpong skills inside 49ers locker room | The Modesto Bee The Modesto Bee
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Posted By: 3Ttabletennis
Date Posted: 06/16/2015 at 2:16pm
@Tassie52: In this Training session we tried to improve the speed of the stroke and also tried to shorten the stroke. Due to the racket on the table the player has no time to start the stroke behind his body. So we succeded partially. :) You are right: At the end of the stroke his movement is actaully to long. So we will try to stop the stroke in front of the head
Here is another training with feedback. We practiced fast and flat topspins:
Posted By: 3Ttabletennis
Date Posted: 09/04/2015 at 9:54am
This week we had a new idea: To improve the placement and the visual
perception we tried to loop the ball trough a moved ring during
multiball training.
Posted By: Machine_Head
Date Posted: 09/11/2015 at 11:45am
Thank you very much for these very helpful videos, 3Ttabletennis.
Posted By: V-Griper
Date Posted: 09/11/2015 at 1:12pm
3Ttabletennis wrote:
This week we had a new idea: To improve the placement and the visual
perception we tried to loop the ball trough a moved ring during
multiball training.
Some suggestions for variation on this that might help.
One area that becomes an issue during play is placing the shot away from your opponent when they think they have anticipated where you are going to hit the ball. One way of defeating that is to be able to perceive when the opponent has committed to the direction they think you going to hit to.
I would suggest a variation on this drill in which the player being drilled hits the ball to the opposite side of where the target is. So if the whoop is moving to the left the the player hits the ball to the right and vise versa. Also remember that movement is best detected with peripheral vision. It works well if the player has central focus on the ball as it is coming into the blade while the peripheral vision detects the motion of the other player.
This is actually a kind of decision training which is worth some investigation.
I think these are great innovative ideas for training. I am going to try some of them.
You said you're not a professional coach, but it doesn't matter, you are a very good coach!!!!
Posted By: 3Ttabletennis
Date Posted: 09/24/2015 at 8:29am
Baal and Machine_Head, thank you for your kind words! V-Griper, thanks for your helpful information. Based on your information, we tried another drill to improve the visual perception. The practicing
player should always aim at the opposite direction of the rising hand:
Posted By: V-Griper
Date Posted: 09/25/2015 at 7:19pm
3Ttabletennis wrote:
Baal and Machine_Head, thank you for your kind words! V-Griper, thanks for your helpful information. Based on your information, we tried another drill to improve the visual perception. The practicing
player should always aim at the opposite direction of the rising hand:
LOL I like that.
A suggestion, to make it a little more realistic would be to have the other person holding a paddle and make a move to hit either a FH or a BH. Always try to have cues that are as realistic as possible otherwise your run the risk of the training drill not really transferring to game play.
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Posted By: wilkinru
Date Posted: 09/25/2015 at 7:24pm
I've been using a 1 gallon ziplock plastic bag as my target lately. I like it because it still lets the ball bounce and still tells me if I hit the target. I used these videos as my inspiration.
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Posted By: 3Ttabletennis
Date Posted: 12/23/2015 at 7:58am
After a long break we have recorded another video during youth training. This time we tried some multiball training on two tables. It was a good change to everyday training.
Posted By: PierreAd
Date Posted: 12/25/2015 at 1:11pm
A colleague of mine shared a video of this kind of training recently, I have to give it a try. Thanks for your video !
Posted By: 3Ttabletennis
Date Posted: 08/03/2016 at 11:12am
After a long break, we recorded another multiball video:
Alternation of fast and spinny topspins
Additionally you can find on our facebook-page some training sessions for your training: http://https://www.facebook.com/3Ttabletennistraining/" rel="nofollow - http://www.facebook.com/3Ttabletennistraining/" rel="nofollow - http://www.facebook.com/3Ttabletennistraining/ The trainings sessions consist usually of 6 different
exercises. The training sessions start with easy exercises and end with
irregular exercises or match situations.
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Best regards Werner
Training videos for 9 year old?
Posted By: 3Ttabletennis
Date Posted: 09/30/2016 at 11:07am
Some new videos from amateur training:
Multiball: 3 x backhand
Multiball: 3 x forehand
Multiball: 2 x backhand - 2 x forehand
Some forehand exercises
Multiball: Footwork - Forehandtopspin from the forehand side and from the backhand side
a list of task drills to teach would be welcome what should a 9 year old would do that a 6 year old cant
Posted By: 3Ttabletennis
Date Posted: 02/09/2017 at 2:29pm
Hey bbkon, i don't understand your question completely. Which drills do youn mean? Multiball? In my opinion the exercises don't depend on the age: for example a very talented 6 year old player can maybe play more complicated exercises than a 14 year old beginner.
Here is part 2 of our multiball training with towels:
Posted By: 3Ttabletennis
Date Posted: 02/25/2017 at 4:32pm
Here is another video of us: Irregular forward-backward-movement:
The trainer feeds with an irregular number of short pushes followed by a
long push. The practising player has to push short back after the
short balls. The long push is looped with the forehand. This is a very
nasty exercise.
Posted By: 3Ttabletennis
Date Posted: 05/24/2017 at 10:13am
After some pause we have made a new video with some basic table tennis
exercises. The exercises are performed by a nine year old and very
talented girl from Hungary. We were impressed by her concentration and
motivation.
Some additionally information: If you like, you can find us also now on Instagram:
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Posted By: 3Ttabletennis
Date Posted: 06/10/2017 at 5:30am
Back from WTTC 2017 we had another idea: Multiball doubles training.
Both players tryed to attack every ball per forehand topspin. One player
moved more in forwards and backwards direction. The other player moved
in left and right direction.
In this video we filmed from various positions as mentioned in the post
before. This time we used the cameras of mobile phones. So the quality
is unfortunately improvable.
Posted By: 3Ttabletennis
Date Posted: 01/25/2018 at 5:02pm
Hello together,
in the last half year we posted a lot of short video clips from our
training on instagram. In the last days we uploaded some of them on
Youtube. So i'd like to add them to this thread.
Topspin down the line:
Topspin against topspin (we know, non playing arm should be improved):