DHS sharping 1.8, 35deg sponge....very good for slap ball, lowered arc trajectory, blade feeling, accurate placement, good for service receive, able to create ample spin, produce good chops and blocks, cheap price tag, can be deceptive at times (knuckle ball movement). just my 2 cents...   

Hey .

What is the pips please?//???

maybe we have another name for it.

stiga radical, royal andbtty raystorm

What is it about short pips rubbers that every single player likes a different one?

I'm sure there are more users than short pips choices, but it doesn't seem that way on these forums.

One day, when my skill level is high enough, I'd like to play with short pips.

My reason would be max speed- as it seems some of these new tensioned short pip rubbers are the fastest thing you could put on a blade.

I'd also want spinny short pips so I could use more of that speed, & still keep the ball on the table.  For this reason I've got my eye on Tango Ultra as a starting point.  One guy with glued Bryce on f/h, & Tango Ultra on b/h said his b/h played faster.  Amazing if true?!

Tango Ultra, ha.. wow!!   Never tried them, but i should..  How about spin?

Right now, I am using TSP Spectol21, but I use different one everytime i change. Here is a summary of my own personal review of few of them:

- Radical:  love or hate. when i used this, it seemed to create some changes to the ball that the opponents had trouble returning, especially blocking loops and spinning attacks. A lot of people got confused when i used this rubber, expecially this one chopper who said he didn't know what was going on. Now i don't use it anymore, but he still talks about his coufusion with my pips effect. But, it was also more difficult for me to control, and made me error more. I found it to be slower than the others i tried. Advantage is that it is available at more places - dandoy, paddle palace, pingpong online..- and not as expensive as... rubbers such as raystorm. speed=7, spin=7.5, control=6, power=8.5 effect=9

- Raystorm: Good control, soft feel, and decent speed although the 1.9mm i tried was not as fast as I would have liked (at the time of my purchase max was not available there). I would still try out the max sponge, but the main downside of this rubber is the cost. I would exhaust my research of all the others rubbers before settling on this one.. Good spin is perhaps the best quality of this rubber as you can put decent amount of spin and attack the low ball, but the spin is relative and maybe overrated, because spin can work against you - opponents spin such as the serve or loop will also work on this rubber, making it more difficult to control defeating the purpose of the pip out usage. But, it's a good middle choice between straight pips and inverted - best of both worlds or worst of both, take your pick. speed=8, spin=9, control=9, power=8, effect=7

- Moristo SP: I used it before i came to the US, but is not available here (US). It is similar to raystorm, perhaps a bit faster, which is the reason why i liked it. Excellent spin and control. still the double edged sword still applies here. If paddle palace decide to peddle it, perhaps it will be a hit, depending on how they price it. speed=9, spin=9, control=9, power=8.5, effect=7

Spectol21: My current setup. Spectol has been around for a long time and is a popular choice item by past champions. Now it comes with a choice of 21 sponge which is TSP's way of dealing with the bigger ball size. However, the old sponge is still very popular.  I find this rubber a decent choice for pips out play. Similar to now discontinued Bty impartial, the control, speed and power are all awesome, and is not too expensive although not cheap. Downside is that it is not so widely available as TSP in general is not, at least here in the US. It is not as easy to generate spin with this rubber as the other more spin oriented rubbers, but some past champions have mastered the ways to do it. So, spin can be generated although not as much and with much hard work and practice. However, because the rubber is not as sensitive to spin as the likes of raystorm or moristo sp, it is easy to control opponent's spin. Therefore you go around the double edged sword, in a round about kinda way - depending on how well You can generate spin with this rubber. Here is the best part - besides good control, the blocks and smashes have power. Perhaps most powerful of them all - as the true pips out rubber is meant to be. speed=9, spin=6, control=8.5, power=9.5, effect=7

Before the ball size change, I was TSP Spinpips user, but somehow after the change and whatever they did to the rubber because it was illegal or something, it's just not the same anymore. But, i am still open to try the new super spin pips. The rubber that i am going to try next is Hammond FA.

hmm.. turned out to be a long post..

-cheers

Please be advised that the rating numbers i used are not in relation to inverted rubbers, but in relation to the pips out rubbers themselves.

-cheers

I play with Spectol 21 in my bh. (1,8mm)

For me is the better short pip in the marcet right now. This new 21 sponge makes the rubber not so controlable like the spectol version with the  old sponge but from the other side the 21 rubber can easily loop the oponent chop and back spin. So it depends if you want to attack the oponent chops with top spin or to hit them.

If you want to top spin them then the Spectol 21 is very good, if you want to hit ( or just play chop and block from your backhand) then normal version is better.

All these are ok if you play with pimple in rubbet in your fh and with short pip in your backhand.

If you want to create big problems to your oponent then you should try the Tibhar Speedy Soft DTech version. It's vey tricky and not much difficalt to conrol it. With this you will not have the stability of otger pips but with a good fh loop or smash to win the point you are surly going to win better players than you.

In case you are penholder then the better choise is short pips like TSP SpinPips, It's very tacky and you can loop very east with this.

I mostly prefer the TSP pip rubbers from all the others. Especiallty TSP is the favorite short pip of the Chinese national team players.

Bty short pips are not bad (Challenger and Raystorm are very good) but when i play with Raystorm i feel that somethind missing from this rubber. Something which has to do with the problems which a short pip generate to the oponent and in Raystorm case these problems are not so much. 

who is tang peng?

With which short pip rubber plays Peng?

I have two maches of him from China Super League and he is very good.

Patski... i guess u would know, ha... same style and all.. lol

2 bad wang tao is no longer playing... or teng yi.. hmm, i wonder why there r not many in the world level now..

Sorry- ignorant question-

Why would you use short pips rather than inverted for chopping?  I thought short pips were best for smashing through heavy top spin, or pure speed.

Peng is a shakehand player.

He has very good forehand, but his backhand is amazing. When he has the chance hits the ball very hard with the short pips and when he has to deal with great amount of backspin in his short pimple bh he does top spin.   When he face a topspin to spin situation and the ball comes to his bh and he is far from the table he chop with the short pip. He is in the same team with Ma Long and he is the best player. Their team won the 3rd place in China Super Leaque.

Thanks Haggisv,

Being a new player, I presumed chopping with short pips wouldn't cause your opponent any dificulties because not much back spin could be created.  

It sounded to me like giving away a free lunch, but if top players are doing it....

Armstrong Rosin is a great short pip for allround and attack play. Very good control, speed, spin and pretty disturbing for a short pip.