Why use an inverted rubber with very thin sponge?
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Topic: Why use an inverted rubber with very thin sponge?
Posted By: interact215
Subject: Why use an inverted rubber with very thin sponge?
Date Posted: 05/09/2015 at 10:44pm
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What are the benefits of using a very thin sponge thickness on an inverted rubber, such as 1.0 - 1.5mm? What style of play is this best suited for, and which blade stiffness, hardness, and speed match best for very thin sponges? I hadn't even noticed until recently that excellent rubbers such as Yasaka Mark V and Nittaku Hammond Pro Beta come in very thin sponges from 1.0-1.5mm. |
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Posted By: asifgunz
Date Posted: 05/09/2015 at 11:13pm
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Chopping. On the table play. To tame an uncontrollable blade. Perhaps slowly transitioning into hardbat. -------------  "I do not have any idols. I am my own idol." - Zhang Jike Feedback: http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=71761&PN=1#905629 |
Posted By: popperlocker
Date Posted: 05/09/2015 at 11:13pm
| Tons of control. Tremendous feeling, good for new players that lack feeling(help players with stiff/awkward/short strokes). Flat kills are so freaking easy. Learning to loop is very easy. Chopping is sooooo freaking easy. |
Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 05/10/2015 at 4:23am
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Some pips players who play with thin sponge on the BH want something that feels similar on the FH. Inverted cannot be used in OX. ------------- https://youtu.be/jhO4K_yFhh8?t=115" rel="nofollow - I like putting heavy topspin on the ball... Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
Posted By: smackman
Date Posted: 05/10/2015 at 5:32am
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It was normal to start learners with say 1.3 backhand and 1.5 forehand rubber (and 1.5-1.7) etc type combos I would even now prefer a much thinner backhand rubber if I used inverted ------------- Ulmo Duality,Donic BlueGrip C2 red max ,Yinhe Super Kim Ox Black NZ table tennis selector, third in the World (plate Doubles)I'm Listed on the ITTF website |
Posted By: APW46
Date Posted: 05/10/2015 at 2:03pm
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Control ! Tenergy 05 is great if you use the 1.9 instead of 2.2. ------------- The Older I get, The better I was. |
Posted By: Tinykin
Date Posted: 05/11/2015 at 4:20am
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Someone on here pointed out to me that the bats of the seventies generally did not exceed 1.5mm. I never noticed at the time. When did the 2mm to max stuff became popular? Was there a rule change or something? ------------- Blade: Darker Speed90 Rubber Fh and Bh DHS Hurricane 3, 39/38deg Delusion is an asset |
Posted By: zhan2133
Date Posted: 05/11/2015 at 2:49pm
I don't think Tenergies have sponges thicker than 2.1, which is the max, at least for the commercial version. |
APW46 wrote:Posted By: Clarence247
Date Posted: 05/11/2015 at 7:29pm
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Better control, better hitting (less spin sensitivity), better short game and chopping, --- and one that most people do not mention - a thinner rubber brings out the feel of the blade more... for example with a Blade like the YEO which has a pronounced feel - you can get a very nice crisp feeling. Thinner rubber for BH is often a good idea. ------------- OSP Virtuoso (Off-) MX-P (Max) Mantra M (Max) Backup: Yasaka Extra Offensive, Nittaku H3 Prov 729-802 SP |
Posted By: IanMcg
Date Posted: 05/11/2015 at 8:42pm
| Thinner sponge is better for passive strokes, thicker sponge is better for active. |
Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 05/12/2015 at 9:48am
I played then and always used 2.0 as did most people at least in the US but 1.5 was certainly more common than it is now and was the standard on ready made bats. No rule change, but EJing did not exist at least where I lived. People bought something and just played with it and didn't give a lot of thought to it. I changed my Mark V once every 6 months. I once tried Sriver, about the only other choice, and didn''t like it very much. |
Posted By: Tinykin
Date Posted: 05/12/2015 at 3:53pm
You actually changed your rubber??? Seriously, I kept my rubbers so long that I simply bought a new bat when the old one was too bad. I think I only had 2 bats in the seventies, a Dunlop Barna sponge then was given a MarkV bat. It probably was a Stiga blade but we simply called them Yasaka bats. I didn't play in the eighties/early nineties. ------------- Blade: Darker Speed90 Rubber Fh and Bh DHS Hurricane 3, 39/38deg Delusion is an asset |
Posted By: frogger
Date Posted: 05/12/2015 at 7:27pm
Actually 2.5mm was max back then but with speed glue 2.0mm was plenty fast. Nowadays many manufacturers offer 2.1mm-2.3mm as max thickness due to new sponge technology. I used 2.5 Sriver (speed glued on old Power Drive). Fricken cannon lol.  ------------- Wood Paddle Red side Black side. |
Posted By: diedona
Date Posted: 05/12/2015 at 10:17pm
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I really am not sure about thickness versus control. Sometimes i feel my vega europe 2mm is faster and less controlled because my forehand ends up being too strong in the contact and i feel the ball getting into the wood (would this be "bottoming out"?). Soft rubber, 2mm, easy to go through? Maybe it's my fault on the technique. But here's a video discussing differences between 2.2mm and 2.0mm in a chinese rubber, might be interesting... If you are in a rush, just go to PT3, where they test it with humans  PT1 PT2 PT3 ------------- Xiom Aria - ST Xiom Vega Europe 2mm (bh & fh) |
Posted By: interact215
Date Posted: 08/10/2015 at 12:08pm
| Am I correct given an identical brand of rubber, pushing spinny serves should be easier/more forgiving with a thinner sponge thickness compared to a thicker sponge? |
Posted By: wilkinru
Date Posted: 08/10/2015 at 3:53pm
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most serves you need to push will only interact with the topsheet and not the sponge. in this case I don't think the sponge will matter any. |
Posted By: TT newbie
Date Posted: 08/10/2015 at 4:29pm
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I knew a Jpen player who used to use a very thin Bryce on a Cypress S 9mm. The guy simply didn´t miss a loop. His strokes were not very fast, ok, but to make a point on him you had to force him to mistake because he wouldn´t make unforced errors.
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Posted By: wturber
Date Posted: 08/10/2015 at 4:48pm
The oldest copy that I have of an ITTF T4 Technical Leaflet (Racket and Racket Covering) is from 1998 (I'd love to have older copies of the Technical Leaflets if anyone has them.). The basics for covering thickness were the same then as now. For inverted the min pips height is .5mm. The max sandwich thickness is 4.0mm. So you can easily see how you could have 3.0mm sponge if the pips height is .5mm and the non-pips smooth inverted portion was also .5mm. Whether that would play well or be durable is another thing. But mechanically you could have 3.0mm or more sponge thickness and still meet ITTF spec. ------------- Jay Turberville www.jayandwanda.com Hardbat: Nittaku Resist w/ Dr. Evil or Friendship 802-40 OX |
Posted By: bozbrisvegas
Date Posted: 07/23/2022 at 11:14pm
Agree with this the most. Control depends on what you are controlling. If you are trying to control an extremely spinny loop coming at you, the best control to get it back is having a very spinny (usually thickest sponge) rubber to tame it into counter spin with the correct acute angle. That's just one example of millions possible. In less active (than aggresively looping the hell out of a low ball), medium drive sort of play a thin sponge is for sure great for controlling a rally. A more open bat angle helps get the ball on the bat more often than swinging for a loop with a much more horizontal blade angle. I think noboy mentioned a lighter weight too. --- Reason I was searching on this older topic is I was considering what the benefits of a thin super soft sponge inverted rubber (for the reason of lightness) would be over using LP or SP (thicker sponge) with a thin sponge. I know all of them fall into the low spin category but the inverted would be the most perplexing for your opponent. Don't know many people who check your sponge thickness, but everyone wants to know if you got pips or not. ------------- Grubba Variant ALL fh: Hurricane 38 degrees MAX bh: tensor MAX https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQgNPkpILsg&list=PL9V-XUSPJgk-loYl2zRhQZ29lsAK7tdLX" rel="nofollow - Watch me playing TT |
Posted By: igorponger
Date Posted: 07/23/2022 at 11:51pm
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FISTCUFF IN THE FACE. Swift, FORCEFULL and no-spin attacks. One has a feel much similat to those in pugilistic fight. Nice feel like delivering fistcuff in the face. |