Rasant Grip / Powergrip spinnier than T05
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Topic: Rasant Grip / Powergrip spinnier than T05
Posted By: Clarence247
Subject: Rasant Grip / Powergrip spinnier than T05
Date Posted: 05/28/2015 at 8:05pm
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Some very experienced players have been commenting that Rasant Grip (and also Powergrip) - are spinnier than Tenergy - with powergrip being faster ( a bit harder to control than T05) and Grip being slower and easier to control than T05. Some heavy spin based players who had been using T05FX consistently have made the switch... any experiences? ------------- OSP Virtuoso (Off-) MX-P (Max) Mantra M (Max) Backup: Yasaka Extra Offensive, Nittaku H3 Prov 729-802 SP |
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Posted By: GeneralSpecific
Date Posted: 05/28/2015 at 8:41pm
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A lot of the recent releases from ESN have produced some really great stuff, especially with regards to the topsheet. Xiom Omega 5, Rasant Grip, Bluefire JP to name a few have spin and speed equal to or greater than T05. ------------- Blade - Xiom 36.5 ALX FL Forehand - Xiom Omega V Asia 2.0mm Backhand - Victas Curl P5V with Der Materialspezialist Firestorm Soft/Outkill 1.8mm sponge |
Posted By: Clarence247
Date Posted: 05/28/2015 at 9:12pm
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I feel REALLY comfortable with Adidas P7 on FH - it is an improved T05FX in my opinion - but my last sheet has just worn out and I'm using a sheet of Rakza 7 I had extra, for the summer training until next season starts... Would Omega V / Rasant Grip be even better ? ------------- OSP Virtuoso (Off-) MX-P (Max) Mantra M (Max) Backup: Yasaka Extra Offensive, Nittaku H3 Prov 729-802 SP |
Posted By: GeneralSpecific
Date Posted: 05/28/2015 at 10:42pm
I've never used an Adidas rubber before so I don't think I can answer that. I can tell you that Xiom has superb durability if that's a factor you are considering. ------------- Blade - Xiom 36.5 ALX FL Forehand - Xiom Omega V Asia 2.0mm Backhand - Victas Curl P5V with Der Materialspezialist Firestorm Soft/Outkill 1.8mm sponge |
Clarence247 wrote:Posted By: ThePongProfessor
Date Posted: 05/28/2015 at 10:47pm
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I have been using P7 and RG extensively for the past 6 months. The rubbers are very similar (I can play with them interchangeably in either FH or BH). The subtle differences: P7 is a little bit more tacky (a little easier to lift, spinnier serves, but also a little more sensitive to incoming spin on serves). I like P7 a little better for flat hitting, perhaps because the sponge is a tad harder. The durability of RG is second to none among the rubbers that I have tested (P7 and the Adidas rubbers in general have a tendency to chip away on the edges. Would RG be better than P7? I prefer P7 over RG on the FH, while I prefer RG over P7 on the BH but the differences are subtle. You should consider Adidas Tenzone Ultra SF on your FH, especially if you use a (medium)hard blade. The feel is outstanding. Responding to the title of this topic: I consider both rubbers to be significantly spinnier than T05 FX which I have used in the past.
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Posted By: lineup32
Date Posted: 05/28/2015 at 10:58pm
| I use both RG and P7,I tend to favor the P7 mostly based on feel but they are both effective sheets. Going to reverse my norm and play P7 on the BH and RG FH for awhile as the P7 seems to have a higher throw at least on the robot. |
Posted By: lineup32
Date Posted: 05/28/2015 at 11:05pm
do you use MAX on each?
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Posted By: ThePongProfessor
Date Posted: 05/29/2015 at 12:35am
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P7 max; RG either 1.9 or 2.1 (2.1 is the max) ------------- YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/ThePongProfessor http://mytabletennis.net/forum/feedback-thepongprofessor_topic69419.html" rel="nofollow - Feedback |
Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 05/29/2015 at 12:47am
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Its technique dependent but no, I would not consider any of these rubbers spinnier than Tenergy 05. Rasant Grip does get good spin and I probably used it in too thin a sponge. If I was stuck for cash, it would be my Euro rubber. P7 was great for third ball, but in terms of spin, it had a good throw, but the spin was nothing compared to MX-S, even though MX-S threw lower. So I concluded that P7 was for the cell ball. ------------- https://youtu.be/jhO4K_yFhh8?t=115" rel="nofollow - I like putting heavy topspin on the ball... Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
Posted By: aroonkl
Date Posted: 05/29/2015 at 12:58am
So MX-S is the spiniest one.
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Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 05/29/2015 at 1:10am
It is but you have to swing hard and it doesn't throw high, so you don't have that Tenergy/H3 effect on slow spinny loops where the ball is at the height of our shoulder if you counter close to the table. ------------- https://youtu.be/jhO4K_yFhh8?t=115" rel="nofollow - I like putting heavy topspin on the ball... Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
Posted By: Clarence247
Date Posted: 05/29/2015 at 5:45am
Great info - from the answers here, I will probably buy another Sheet of Adidas P7 for my FH next season, but I now understand why my clubmates find Rasant Grip to be so good.
Regarding the Tenzone - yes, it is a rubber I consider - I once hit with it briefly and it felt like a faster P7 - Could you outline the differences? For my game, an aggressive 3rd ball attack with power and spin on the FH is essential as is lifting heavy backspin with power (not only slow loop). I do think that nowadays, the modern ESN - P7, RG, Omega V - are probably indeed spinnier than T05/FX when new... and also for the 1st month of play - not sure if they remain spinnier during the 2nd - 3rd month of play... although their durability is excellent - I am able to play with P7 for 4 months without feeling that it's dropping - and I normally stretch it to 6 months because its still very playable. On the other hand it seems that T05 loses power rather than spin when it ages... ------------- OSP Virtuoso (Off-) MX-P (Max) Mantra M (Max) Backup: Yasaka Extra Offensive, Nittaku H3 Prov 729-802 SP |
Posted By: t64t64t64
Date Posted: 05/29/2015 at 6:17am
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Hello Clearance, i see you are using Virtuoso,this blade is very spiny and with P7 you should generate monster spin. so there is no reason to switch. both rubbers P7 or 05 play excellent on this blade. However the durability of 05 is a bit better than p7. So at the end is up to you ------------- http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=61764&PID=734709 |
Posted By: ThePongProfessor
Date Posted: 05/29/2015 at 1:05pm
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@Clarence: TZU-SF is softer, louder and slightly faster than P7, and has a greater catapult effect. It is slightly less tacky but produces almost the same amount of spin (probably due to the softer sponge). My impression is that TZU-SF is less sensitive to incoming spin, which is advantageous to serve returns. Paired with a hard blade it IMO offers a topspin and hitting feel that is very close to that of fresh-glued rubbers from the 90's. ------------- YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/ThePongProfessor http://mytabletennis.net/forum/feedback-thepongprofessor_topic69419.html" rel="nofollow - Feedback |
Posted By: berkeleydoctor
Date Posted: 05/29/2015 at 3:22pm
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the problem i had with P7 is the durability, it didn't last very long at all. lasted about 3.5 months total, playing 2-3hrs 4x/wk i've only used MX-S for about 2 weeks, so the jury is still out
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Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 05/29/2015 at 3:24pm
Seriously tough that sounds like 10 hours a week for 12-13 weeks which is 100+ hours of rubber life. That sounds pretty good if you loop the bejesus out of the ball. ------------- https://youtu.be/jhO4K_yFhh8?t=115" rel="nofollow - I like putting heavy topspin on the ball... Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
Posted By: aroonkl
Date Posted: 05/29/2015 at 3:30pm
Which one is spiniest in Serve and slow spinny loop? Which one is good in loop-drive (partial drive and partial brush to kill the balls) like H3? |
Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 05/29/2015 at 4:21pm
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The spin is not the problem. The arc and the size of the stroke is. In any case, I am speaking for my own technique. You can play with it or read Paul Drinkhall's review. ------------- https://youtu.be/jhO4K_yFhh8?t=115" rel="nofollow - I like putting heavy topspin on the ball... Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
Posted By: Avallo
Date Posted: 06/01/2015 at 12:01am
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if you said about RG, P7 and T05, I'm pretty sure that T05 is the best quality but the worst durability P7 is easy to use but it's not spesial for me and the worst of it, it's to easy to broke the problem with RG is the weight ------------- an indonesian tennis table maniac http://www.mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=73216&title=feedback-avallo" rel="nofollow - MY FEEDBACK |
Posted By: lineup32
Date Posted: 06/01/2015 at 12:21am
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Drinkhall's review: P7 Rubber: Adidas P7 This rubber was designed and produced with the cooperation of pro and high level Chinese players. For players who do not want to go too far away from the table and those who want to acquire the needed effect on their strokes with the spin of a Chinese rubber and the speed of a Euro rubber this is the rubber for you guys. Driving: FH-FH, BH-BH: Pushes: Serving: Loops: One of the 3 strengths of this rubber is its ability to loop spinny, underspin balls with minimal effort. If your stroke is a brushing stroke with less sponge on contact because you are used to a chinese rubber then you would love the P7. Minus the tackiness of a Chinese rubber but with the same spin, this rubber produces a medium to high arc on loops whether its a fast or slow loop. The spin is amazing and you can feel the ball kick on the racket if you are on the receiving end. Loop drives, loop kills, spin-drives: One way to measure a rubber’s strength is to check its ability on loop driving the ball above the table, off the bounce or on the rise contact against a low spinny underspin ball that lands almost short on the table. With the P7, if you have the skills you can do this strokes with lesser effort than with a tenergy 05 or 25. As what I have observed on what I was doing and including my coach who taught this stroke was that even if you hit the ball through the sponge when doing loop drives, its still possible to land the ball on the other side. meaning the rubber is very forgiving. on emergency situations like if yo haven’t brushed the ball enough and hit more on the sponge, using tenergy 05 or 25 is less forgiving. On the P7, even with hitting through the sponge it still produces a good arc and spin clearing the net about half to 1 inch. Countering: The 3rd characteristic of this rubber that makes it superior to most other modern rubbers is its built also for countering and its very forgiving. Near of mid-distance (about 5-6 feet) away from the table, the power and speed does not diminish. Blocking: BH Loops: Its strange but my backhand loops are spinnier than my fh loops. My bh loops and so does with a friend has a more profound arc and spin. Overall impressions: I am super impressed with this rubber for the first 2 days of testing it! This is the controlled or tamed version of the tenzone. Tenzone is still the best rubber Adidas has ever produced but it doesnt mean that its not an awesome rubber, it is at par with tenergy rubbers especially with T25. What I have noticed about this rubber is that you need to have a greater usage of your wrist in doing spins to fully utilize your spin potential using this rubber. Dont get me wrong, its very spinny even with little wrist movements. This rubber takes only a day to break in. Recommendations: definitely for advanced players or those with good basics. if you want something slower get the 2.0mm. blades that are off+ will still be alright as long as you have the right technique. If you are a pure looper or spinner i suggest you would get an off- minus or off blade like the Adidas C100, C300 or C500 and Adidas Fibertec Power series |
Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 06/01/2015 at 12:39am
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Where is the link to the review, lineup32?
I was referring to Drinkhall's review of MX-S at tabletennisdaily.co.uk. You seem to be copying yogi_Bear's review of P7. ------------- https://youtu.be/jhO4K_yFhh8?t=115" rel="nofollow - I like putting heavy topspin on the ball... Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
Posted By: vvk1
Date Posted: 06/01/2015 at 2:49am
| Who knows, maybe yogibear is drinkhall's secret alter ego :-) |
Posted By: lineup32
Date Posted: 06/01/2015 at 11:50am
| so sorry Yogi! I googled drinkhall and P7 and the review came up assumed it was his but everything was in Thai except the review.... |
Posted By: ahsq
Date Posted: 08/10/2015 at 2:37pm
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I have trouble lifting heavy low arc backspin balls with Powergrip FH. Does anyone face the same? ------------- FS: Xiom Vega Pro ST 85 grams $80 shipped Donic Waldner Senso Carbo JO shaped ST $40 shipped |
Posted By: in2spin
Date Posted: 08/10/2015 at 2:40pm
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i just thought rasant powergrip was very heavy :)
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Posted By: ahsq
Date Posted: 08/10/2015 at 2:52pm
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yea, its heavily boosted like T05. topspin FH is a pleasure with this rubber. ------------- FS: Xiom Vega Pro ST 85 grams $80 shipped Donic Waldner Senso Carbo JO shaped ST $40 shipped |
Posted By: carbon136
Date Posted: 08/10/2015 at 5:32pm
| Could somebody compare the hardness of Rasant Grip and P7 to T05? |
Posted By: berkeleydoctor
Date Posted: 08/10/2015 at 5:47pm
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Rasant grip is: harder than P7 softer than T05 i've used all 3 for several months each
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Posted By: carbon136
Date Posted: 08/10/2015 at 6:05pm
| So the P7 is between T05FX (T25FX as you have it) and T05? Or closer to which rubber? |
Posted By: berkeleydoctor
Date Posted: 08/11/2015 at 12:03am
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i've never used T05-FX but P7 is softer than T25-FX and softer than T05 P7 is closer T25-FX
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Posted By: igszoctan
Date Posted: 08/11/2015 at 2:00pm
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Powergrip on FH is the light at the end of EJ tunnel. It has it all one needs in order to improve his skills. I have spent hundreds of dollars for years until I came across RPG. It shines more on less flexy (rigid) blades. Control-spin-power at the highest level I have ever experienced. As far as professional - extra league - international- players - concerned, they might prefer T05. I reckon, the overhelming majority of less qualified players cannot tame T05. ------------- igszoctan Fh: Rasant PowerGrip (2.1) Blades: Appelgren Allplay Bh: Rasant Powersponge(1.9) Feedback: http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=66928&PID=807706 Strength and honour |
Posted By: ahsq
Date Posted: 08/18/2015 at 7:22pm
how do you feel on Rasant PG lifting heavy low acr backspins? I have major problems lifting it  ------------- FS: Xiom Vega Pro ST 85 grams $80 shipped Donic Waldner Senso Carbo JO shaped ST $40 shipped |
Posted By: ThePongProfessor
Date Posted: 08/19/2015 at 12:34am
@ahsq: I have played with RPG for several sessions and experience similar problems as you. The solution is - of course - improve your/mine technique/footwork, or stay flat-footed and get a more forgiving rubber. 
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Posted By: igszoctan
Date Posted: 08/19/2015 at 3:36am
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@ahsq: First of all, lifting low-arc heavy backspin requires perfect footwork, rotation and correct bat angle. If your technique is sufficient even also a seven-dollar Twingo fits the bill. ------------- igszoctan Fh: Rasant PowerGrip (2.1) Blades: Appelgren Allplay Bh: Rasant Powersponge(1.9) Feedback: http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=66928&PID=807706 Strength and honour |
Posted By: ahsq
Date Posted: 08/19/2015 at 10:22am
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ditto! ------------- FS: Xiom Vega Pro ST 85 grams $80 shipped Donic Waldner Senso Carbo JO shaped ST $40 shipped |
Posted By: Chicobo
Date Posted: 08/19/2015 at 2:31pm
| Did anyone touch on why they prefer grip or PG over one another in this thread? |