Play of Genius. Blocking skills.
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Topic: Play of Genius. Blocking skills.
Posted By: igorponger
Subject: Play of Genius. Blocking skills.
Date Posted: 07/31/2015 at 8:03pm
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THE most renowned Oddy (allrounder) of Israel lands. Ukraina born. Utterly demolishing play. Friendship755 rubber on backhand (red). The play to answer a Hebrew`s mindset best. I love it so much. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htirRjU_u1M http://ww.youtube.com/watch?v=Jj9qdMnJCkA |
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Posted By: igorponger
Date Posted: 07/31/2015 at 8:06pm
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THE most renowned Oddy, blocker-puncher, of Israel lands. Ukraina born. Utterly demolishing play. Friendship755 rubber on backhand (red). The play to answer a Hebrew`s mindset best. I love it so much. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htirRjU_u1M http://ww.youtube.com/watch?v=Jj9qdMnJCkA |
Posted By: mts388
Date Posted: 07/31/2015 at 10:57pm
| He makes it look so easy. |
Posted By: Egghead
Date Posted: 08/01/2015 at 1:49am
I think it is the same guy, won the first game 11-0  ; He won the 2012-2013 championship; both finalists played the same style. No one knows how to play LP blocker in Israel???  Did he treat his LP?? The ball was hardly pop-up on him.
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mts388 wrote:Posted By: andras
Date Posted: 08/01/2015 at 5:26am
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this rubber typology in italy is used by most player, the rubber is NOT REGULAR, but whit the ITTF rule you can not control the minimum friction out of the approval by ITTF. |
Posted By: andras
Date Posted: 08/01/2015 at 6:04am
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the player that use this rubber not is genius is regular "cheater" TX ITTF RULE |
Posted By: crackfst
Date Posted: 08/01/2015 at 8:36am
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those long pips look mighty illegal.... ------------- Darker Speed 90 Jpen Tenergy 64 |
Posted By: andras
Date Posted: 08/01/2015 at 9:05am
| even if you think it should be the skill of a player and not his rubber to decide who wins or loses sends an email through your company to ITTF and asking him to put his hand to regulate this bug |
Posted By: vanjr
Date Posted: 08/01/2015 at 10:01am
| 755 is absolutely legal. I have no idea who this guy is, but if he has 755 then the burden of proof is on the accuser. I always find it funny when tenergy users call LP player rubber "cheating." |
Posted By: andras
Date Posted: 08/01/2015 at 10:04am
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The rubber is modified at home when you buy it it is regular . |
Posted By: berndt_mann
Date Posted: 08/01/2015 at 11:12am
I have no dog in this fight. I'm a born again hardbat man, and have been since 1997, after having witnessed the DiMaggiolike play of the mighty Reisman and his 5-ply Leyland shod Hock. But it seems to me that if the Tenergy crowd can use anything from paraffin oil to I Can't Believe It's Not Butter to turbocharge their Tenergy the LP Darksiders should be able to epoxidize, shave, raise, lower, separate, or otherwise alter their pips in order to provide (harrumph!) an even playing field for them so that they may be able to dropshoot those turbocharged loops, right? After all, unfair is unfair. And to paraphrase Diana Ross of the Supremes, What's Skill Got to Do With It? ------------- bmann1942 Setup: Mark Bellamy Master Craftsman blade, British Leyland hard rubber |
Posted By: wturber
Date Posted: 08/01/2015 at 11:21am
How is it that you know what this player is doing? ------------- Jay Turberville www.jayandwanda.com Hardbat: Nittaku Resist w/ Dr. Evil or Friendship 802-40 OX |
Posted By: wturber
Date Posted: 08/01/2015 at 11:28am
Yes, there is that, and then there is the issue as to whether it should be illegal to begin with. Further, keep in mind that even if something is illegal that does not mean that using it negates the skill of the player. Leyland rubber is no longer legal or approvable using ITTF standards since the pips are only .8mm high and the minimum standard is 1mm. But this standard is fairly arbitrary and there is no super advantage that negates skill that you get from using a .8mm high pip rubber In fact, it's hard to argue that there is any fundamental advantage at all. that's just the height that the pips happened to be made with. The Leyland rubber wasn't even designed for table tennis to begin with. Nonetheless, the use of such a rubber is illegal. I'd say the same is true of frictionless long pips. I actually found them easier to play against when they were legal than the nearly frictionless long pips I face today. Less friction meant higher predictability in my experience. ------------- Jay Turberville www.jayandwanda.com Hardbat: Nittaku Resist w/ Dr. Evil or Friendship 802-40 OX |
Posted By: andras
Date Posted: 08/01/2015 at 11:45am
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the ball that return from the impact have extreme "reverse" spin is IMPOSSIBLE if rubber is legal. Pimple rubber have minimum friction in ITTF RULE this is the motivation because in this moment best flictionless is antispin (like ABS---BAD--SPIN PARASITE ecc...)and not pimple rubber but frictionless pimple have most destructive return (ball have some strange return).
If long pimple rubber work like total frictionless is 100% modified and NOT RESPECT THE RULE but in turnament not exsist friction test this is the problem.
 in my team me have 3 player that use it and know very well this rubber
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Posted By: heavyspin
Date Posted: 08/01/2015 at 12:03pm
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Where's Pushblocker when we need him? ------------- An EJ to a table tennis player is an equipment junkie. An ej to a mathematician is a standard basis vector. |
Posted By: andras
Date Posted: 08/01/2015 at 12:04pm
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In itlay this illegal rubber have large use and exsist the a very porfessional seller that modify the original rubber in any aspect, best speed assorbition, extreme frictionless, sponge that afher ball impact not return in initial condition and the next shot have different return, increase the distance from pimple, ecc...ecc..
This rubber destroy the game and the skill if like table tennis write to ITTF for stop the possibility to use it.
nedd only extend the minimun friction rule to all rubber and A TEST for try it in turnament.
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Posted By: wturber
Date Posted: 08/01/2015 at 12:29pm
Sorry. You are looking at fuzzy video and at best are only making a reasonable guess. At this year's US Open I was fairly convinced that one team we faced un Hardbat Doubles must have some odd non-legal rubber on their rackets. But the match had already started and we hadn't looked at their rackets. So I made no issue of it. Subsequently another team did take a look and all was legit. Just goes to show how easy it is to misjudge these things. And in this case it wasn't fuzzy video, but was me directly playing the match. When I used inverted, I regularly had people asking me if I had anti-spin on my backhand when I had tacky 729 of some kind. The way to know is to examine the rubber directly. Everything else is a guess at best. ------------- Jay Turberville www.jayandwanda.com Hardbat: Nittaku Resist w/ Dr. Evil or Friendship 802-40 OX |
Posted By: mts388
Date Posted: 08/01/2015 at 12:32pm
There are far more players using illegal serves than illegal rubber. There are probably more illegal inverted rubbers that illegal LP users. |
Posted By: andras
Date Posted: 08/01/2015 at 12:41pm
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the problem not is the speed, the spin and the control this is conditioned by YOUR SKILL the problem is the frictionless that produce destructive shot and NOT NEED SKILL but only right rubber (you can't produce reverse spin is only your rubber that porduce it) this combine whith another "trick" give to a player that use this not justified advantage (like the player in the video that have BAD skill shot BAD technique BUT WIN because your opponed failed a lot of "simple" ball that not is simple because the rubber cause strange extreme spin reverse and strange ball trayectori) |
Posted By: blahness
Date Posted: 08/01/2015 at 12:57pm
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lol...imo this guy is even better than pushblocker. He has a kinda He Zhi Wen style high toss serve, a very decent FH block, and also a consistent and devastating FH loop kill to make up the whole package (just like Chen Weixing and Joo actually, who will beat all these loopers easily just like that) The reason why these videos seem very biased is because he is at a much higher level than his opponents. His opponents just fail to read his spin, and therefore spin the ball way too much (instead of a simpler drive shot taken earlier using blade angle adjustments which gives out a lot less in terms of positioning and puts the opponent under time pressure) which gives him easy late topspin shots which he can manipulate easily with plenty of time. Sometimes, the early topspin (just like what women players do) is a lot deadlier compared to the late spinnier topspin. Just see how Zhang Yining destroyed some of the male players on youtube (I believe it was Mark and Lucjan). Heck, even really good inverted players can just push and block all day long (without attacking!) and win just like that! And sometimes they do exactly just that... ------------- ------- Viscaria FH: Hurricane 8-80 BH: D05 Back to normal shape bats :( |
Posted By: pgpg
Date Posted: 08/01/2015 at 1:01pm
I assure you if you were given his setup, you would not do as well. Just because his strokes do not look like yours, does not make them BAD. I think if you learn to play against LP and the spin they produce/manipulate, it will make you a better player, it's not like they have magical properties... ------------- USATT: ~1810 Butterfly Defense Alpha ST - H3 Neo - Cloud&Fog OX |
Posted By: andras
Date Posted: 08/01/2015 at 1:11pm
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Sorry. You are looking at fuzzy video and at best are only making a reasonable guess.
At this year's US Open I was fairly convinced that one team we faced un Hardbat Doubles must have some odd non-legal rubber on their rackets. But the match had already started and we hadn't looked at their rackets. So I made no issue of it. Subsequently another team did take a look and all was legit. Just goes to show how easy it is to misjudge these things. And in this case it wasn't fuzzy video, but was me directly playing the match.
When I used inverted, I regularly had people asking me if I had anti-spin on my backhand when I had tacky 729 of some kind.
The way to know is to examine the rubber directly. Everything else is a guess at best. [/QUOTE]
Sorry but:
if me play top spin and when you block my shot your paddle is facing upwards and the ball return me in strong back spin not need more !!!!
Me play 2 time at week against this rubber have possibility to try it know how made it and the difference from it and regular long pimple, the team tha have win italian legue have 1 strong player (roberto negro) that use antispin (not long pimple) modified, in italy this rubber in last 2 years have many supporters is esact the same condition that exsist years before with "glazed" and "glazed" is banned this rubber work the same.
sorry my english but thi concepts / techniques words is not easy to translate for me
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Posted By: Eric Fountain
Date Posted: 08/01/2015 at 1:34pm
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Posted By: Egghead
Date Posted: 08/01/2015 at 1:52pm
When you said "....Subsequently another team did take a look and all was legit. Just goes to show how easy it is to misjudge these things.....", do you mean that the rubber has a big rectangle stamp on the right-hand side? If it is, you are a better lawyer than Johnnie Cochran
Ya!!!! we REALLY need him now. I suspect the rubber is treated (if it is 755 LP). ------------- Aurora ST: Rhyzm / Talent OX |
Posted By: andras
Date Posted: 08/01/2015 at 2:01pm
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Switch paddles with Ma Long and try playing ONE SHOT them with it. My money is on them. !!!!!!!! this rubber is NOT REGULAR but in this moment the "rule-bug " It can be used.
This rubber work equal to "glazed" banned rubber but not is banned.
regular pimple NOT is a problem regular antispin NOT is a problem.OK?
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Posted By: berndt_mann
Date Posted: 08/01/2015 at 2:15pm
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That's exactly what Jay meant, Egghead. In American hard rubber events, some rubbers have a big rectangular stamp on the right-hand side saying in very small print "all is legit--this is an approved rubber for American hardbat play". "If the rubber's legit--it won't play like s***!" Alan Dershowitz ------------- bmann1942 Setup: Mark Bellamy Master Craftsman blade, British Leyland hard rubber |
Posted By: Egghead
Date Posted: 08/01/2015 at 2:23pm
What "rule-bug" ????? Is it an ITTF approved rubber??? ------------- Aurora ST: Rhyzm / Talent OX |
Posted By: Egghead
Date Posted: 08/01/2015 at 2:33pm
That is what I mean, that stamp means s***. I have an ITTF approved LP sheet that the pips top is frictionless but the pips neck is very very grippy ------------- Aurora ST: Rhyzm / Talent OX |
Posted By: berndt_mann
Date Posted: 08/01/2015 at 2:38pm
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Rule Bug, Egghead, was the last table tennis rubber made by Adidas Table Tennis before it crashed and burned. Rule Bug sells for $54.95 American for both inverted and long pip versions. Rule Bug is a very respectable rubber for general use among the table tennis loving public, but it does have a substantial drawback. If you tamper with Rule Bug in any manner before going to play at your club or at a tournament it turns into pixie dust within 30 seconds. Adidas tells you this on the cover for Rule Bug, but your German has to be at least satisfactory and you should be familiar with German table tennis terms. ------------- bmann1942 Setup: Mark Bellamy Master Craftsman blade, British Leyland hard rubber |
Posted By: andras
Date Posted: 08/01/2015 at 5:34pm
if you after the shop use method for improve frictionless of your rubber not is verifiable, your rubber become illegal (same old glaze rubber) but you may use it in any tournament. many LP reverse the spin, but is not comparable to that ball back from an LP legal and a "treated". the video in this page is very expressive for the capacity of this rubber to increase the capacity of victory of its users far beyond their technical capabilities, the tipology of game |
Posted By: berndt_mann
Date Posted: 08/01/2015 at 7:53pm
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"A thing worth having is a thing worth cheating for". W. C. Fields Words to live by, whether you're a little nipper getting his first sheets of boosted Tenergy 80FX(YZ) from a proud parent or an aging battle scarred veteran squeezing half a tube of Krazy Glue onto his already questionable long pips a few hours before drawing down in the over 100 division of the World Veterans' Table Tennis Championships. Family fun for everyone. Disneyland, only without Mickey Mouse, Minnie Mouse, or Donald Duck. Just Goofy. No more happy hour for the time being in Hard Rubber Heaven. All the immortals, on viewing this sad present state of affairs from high above, began binge drinking triple shots of Bullett bourbon, resulting in an inability to stay on their ermine lined barstools for long, uncontrollable laughing, weeping, or singing all 135 verses of "The Wild Looper" or "One of the Has Beens (A Chopper [Blocker] I Mean)" at the top of their Heavenly lungs. Once sanity is restored to table tennis, the Mechlovitz Bar and Grill in Hard Rubber Heaven is expected to reopen. This may take a while. ------------- bmann1942 Setup: Mark Bellamy Master Craftsman blade, British Leyland hard rubber |
Posted By: wturber
Date Posted: 08/01/2015 at 8:52pm
I mean that the players saw that the rubber was an approved for USATT hardbat play and it did not appear to be modified in any way. I have no idea what you mean by referring to a big rectangle stamp. ------------- Jay Turberville www.jayandwanda.com Hardbat: Nittaku Resist w/ Dr. Evil or Friendship 802-40 OX |
Posted By: clannewton
Date Posted: 08/02/2015 at 12:37am
Just curious, when you said "another team examined the rubber and it was legit". What means did they determine that the rubber was not altered to attain the frictionless factor that was not there when the rubber was produced? I was at one other NA team tournaments and watched Pushblocker have his frictionless rubber examined by a umpire, and the only thing he did was wipe a ball across it and Pushblocker in an almost baiting attitude inquired where was that documented as a legitimate test for testing the pips friction and inquired where in the rule book was this test documented, to which there was not an answer. So it appears as long as the rubber is sanctioned on the ittf/usatt equipment list, the rubber is legal(no matter how it is treated/doctored/altered) as there is no procedure documented to officially test the friction factor. Now that does not take into to consideration the moral and ethical questions this raises such as is it cheating if they can't test it or you don't get caught? There was a long discussion about this on a prior posting with lots of hurt feelings, so maybe that does no need to be rehashed. But the gist of the rule about not altering the rubber has been violated by pip players(frictionless) and non-pip players(boosting) alike. I believe Jun Mitzutani went on a unofficial hiatus for a short time to protest the boosting on the pro level to no avail. It is unfortunate the rule makers place this temptation scenario in front of the players as to many are unable to resist the temptation. It becomes less of a game/sport when the rules that are there are unenforceable. ------------- Nittaku Violin FL-L FH Donic Bluefire m-1 max BH Donic Bluefire m-2 max Cocoa Beach TTC, Florida |
Posted By: IanMcg
Date Posted: 08/02/2015 at 1:50am
| I am sure that Pushblocker would never use a treated rubber in tournament. Yes, he uses long pimples that are more suited for the blocking style (having longer, thinner, more spaced out pimples with less friction) but I doubt that he would ever intentionally treat or modify a rubber to use in tournement. |
Posted By: Kolev
Date Posted: 08/02/2015 at 2:26am
| Looking thoroughly at those videos I see a very experienced player who knows what he's doing. His blocks may be difficult to deal with , but his FH was equally deadly. I saw few times his opponents missed even his push.....not to mention his serves. I have played few times this type of players and although I am very good against traditional LP defenders , I can't do much against this type of gentle and thouchy blocks....and just to add that from time to time I play guys who have treated their LP's,but that never really bothered me like for example years ago I was horrified by Boomerang and similar... My two cents |
Posted By: clannewton
Date Posted: 08/02/2015 at 9:51am
Don't bet your life on that assumption! ------------- Nittaku Violin FL-L FH Donic Bluefire m-1 max BH Donic Bluefire m-2 max Cocoa Beach TTC, Florida |
Posted By: andras
Date Posted: 08/04/2015 at 8:27am
the Italian leaflet for a game without "cheaters "
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Posted By: Kolev
Date Posted: 08/04/2015 at 4:29pm
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Wow ,so enlightening.... ------------- Hallmark Carbon Extreme (x3) FH: D05/G1/RX BH: Z2/D64/Ω7Pro |
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Date Posted: 08/04/2015 at 4:57pm
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Posted By: ZingyDNA
Date Posted: 08/04/2015 at 6:23pm
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Man Habesohn is like world #50, and the other guys is killing him! I think the other guy is not anywhere close to top 50 in the world? 
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Posted By: berndt_mann
Date Posted: 08/04/2015 at 7:31pm
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Might it possibly be time once again to let the players' intrinsic skills and not the rubbers and/or substances used to doctor them dictate how the sport of table tennis is to be played? In no other racquet sport is this sort of Keystone Kops latitude allowed to happen. This would be slapstick, if there weren't fair amounts of money involved at the highest levels of play and nice little trophies plus bragging rights and something to put on your mantlepiece for those of us who toil or who have toiled away in the coal mines of the lower levels. ------------- bmann1942 Setup: Mark Bellamy Master Craftsman blade, British Leyland hard rubber |
Posted By: Tassie52
Date Posted: 08/05/2015 at 1:01am
And what the hell are "player's intrinsic skills"? I'm only aware of learned skills, and all of those learned skills are gained by holding a piece of equipment. Which inevitably means that those skills are equipment specific; e.g. if I learn to chop with short pimples then what I learn will be different from what I would have acquired playing with antispin or LP or hardbat or inverted. Those learned skills are only transferable to a limited degree - and watching Waldner playing hardbat is clear evidence of that. Taking your purple prose out of it, I think there is something in what you say. I certainly believe that doctoring rubber is a form of cheating, regardless of the nonsensical arguments that it requires greater skill to play with corrupted rubber than with sheets straight out of the packet. But the bottom line is that players will cheat because they are convinced that they are inadequate without "an edge".
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Posted By: berndt_mann
Date Posted: 08/05/2015 at 1:23am
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/intrinsicin·trin·sic/inˈtrinzik/adjective I believe that it is possible to argue that the skills and techniques essential to successful play at the sport of table tennis, however one may choose to define or quantify that measure of success, may be inculcated in players through extensive practice and achieved without recourse to table tennis rubbers with exceptionally spinny or obstructive properties that in addition cannot be doctored or tampered with without rendering such rubber useless for successful competitive play. IF the only currently permissable rubber meeting these criteria proves to be that rubber which used to be known before the advent of long pimpled rubbers as short pimpled rubber without sponge, or "ordinary pimpled rubber", so be it. Perhaps, Tassie52, you being an extremely clever fellow, can think of or come up with a viable alternative. And of course one has to learn how to play table tennis skillfully with any type of rubber doctored or undoctored, including hard rubber (not advisable to doctor). I'm not denying that. But if you can think of a way to tamper with hard rubber in a manner so as to give it the same playing properties as Tenergy 80FX National Team (don't care which nation) or Hurricane 3 Neo National Team blue sponge or all of the TSP Curl long pipped rubbers, just drop me an e-mail through this forum. Cheers, ------------- bmann1942 Setup: Mark Bellamy Master Craftsman blade, British Leyland hard rubber |
Posted By: andras
Date Posted: 08/05/2015 at 3:01am
You have to reach a goal at a time , in this moment need 3 things :
1 ) a secure method of detecting the booster
2 ) a safe method for the control of the minimum of friction
3 ) the extension of the minimum of friction for all rubber
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Posted By: smackman
Date Posted: 08/05/2015 at 4:48am
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Andras you could start your own post so more people could see what you are trying to do and berndt I skim you unless the post is about hardbat ------------- Ulmo Duality,Donic BlueGrip C2 red max ,Yinhe Super Kim Ox Black NZ table tennis selector, third in the World (plate Doubles)I'm Listed on the ITTF website |
Posted By: berndt_mann
Date Posted: 08/05/2015 at 5:46am
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Dear smackman, Feel free to skim any post I write, unless of course about hardbat. I do not read every post you write either. I'm sure that your feelings are not hurt, and I assure you that neither are mine. ------------- bmann1942 Setup: Mark Bellamy Master Craftsman blade, British Leyland hard rubber |
Posted By: berndt_mann
Date Posted: 08/05/2015 at 6:03am
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(Tassie52) ....Which inevitably means that those skills are equipment specific; e.g. if
I learn to chop with short pimples then what I learn will be different
from what I would have acquired playing with antispin or LP or hardbat
or inverted. Those learned skills are only transferable to a limited
degree - and watching Waldner playing hardbat is clear evidence of that... Which inevitably leads in my mind to ask why these skills should be equipment specific, or why any skill employed in any racquet sport should be dependent to any overly influential extent on the multiplicity of striking equipment available, doctored or not, to strike a ball or shuttlecock? You are correct, however, that some table tennis skills are, or at least seem to be, "equipment specific." I have watched both Waldner and Joo Se Hyuk playing hardbat, and can attest that their learned skills with their sponge rubber rackets are hardly completely transferable when competing or playing for funsies against players whose learned skills have made the more successful transition from sponge play to hard rubber play. (Tassie52) But the bottom line is that players will cheat because they are convinced that they are inadequate without "an edge". My. A Perry Mason moment. As convincing an argument for cheating as I have ever read. The entire Chinese National Team inadequate without "an edge"? Fang Bo a mere mortal without whatever booster he uses or comes built into whatever rubber he uses? You are surely aware that the I do it because everybody else is doing it argument is not ethically sustainable. It would be as ethically unusual to maintain that because you are a thief (I do not mean you specifically), and all of your cohorts are thieves, that thievery gives you a moral edge over working honestly for a living even if you do get caught. ------------- bmann1942 Setup: Mark Bellamy Master Craftsman blade, British Leyland hard rubber |
Posted By: Tassie52
Date Posted: 08/05/2015 at 7:15am
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Posted By: andras
Date Posted: 08/05/2015 at 8:19am
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Posted By: ZingyDNA
Date Posted: 08/05/2015 at 12:36pm
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The examples you gave are different sports, or same sport different era, so I don't think they are good examples. Of course Tiger can't drive 300 m with a cricket, because he ain't a cricket player. The question is if he can drive 300 m with some other top golf pro's equipment? I know nothing about golf but I think the answer should be Yes? The same goes for Djokovic using Federer's racket. Pretty sure he can win another grand slam with that?
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Posted By: Victor_the_cleaner
Date Posted: 08/05/2015 at 1:37pm
| This guys is a very different player than Pushblocker, and much more skilled. I have very little doubt he would have won with any rubber. His belly was a big handicap, but I can see he has great touch and his FH is just nasty. Pushblocker has no FH at all and relies totally on confusion and misjudgement of the spin. Very different that this dude. This dude's got great touch man, short stop, long in the corner, knuckle ball, and what about the serve? That serve was nasty for a non pro. Pushblocker's serve is like nothing. This guys is really good, and this argument about the rubber really pulled the thread in the wrong direction. It really doesn't matter if he treated the rubber at all, as it doesn't matter if you comply with an arbitrary idiotic decision by a corrupt bureaucracy. There is absolutely nothing immoral in that, and certainly nothing illegal, as there is no international or domestic law that refers to properties of TT rubber. Thats just the truth, and mind you I hate choppers, and I think 'boosting' is a fancy label that people use for the otherwise stupid action of reducing the density of a rubber. |
Posted By: wturber
Date Posted: 08/05/2015 at 2:14pm
There are international and national laws that say you are not allowed to alter the rubber. 2.4.7 The racket covering shall be used without any physical, chemical or other treatment. Proving that the rubber is or isn't altered is problematic, but it remains that altering it is illegal. ------------- Jay Turberville www.jayandwanda.com Hardbat: Nittaku Resist w/ Dr. Evil or Friendship 802-40 OX |
Posted By: berndt_mann
Date Posted: 08/05/2015 at 4:14pm
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(Tassie52) This is the disingenuous intro. to what you're really trying to say. Of
course skills are equipment specific. Aussie Rules players can't kick a
soccer ball to save their lives any more than Ronaldo can boot a
Sherrin. Novak Djokovic would never win another pro tennis event if he
was forced to use Roy Emerson's racquet. Let's see if Tiger Woods can
drive 300 metres using a cricket bat. Apples and oranges, Tassie52. True but irrelevant, Tassie52. You know as well as I that I was talking specifically about table tennis players using today's table tennis equipment. Table tennis players need not be able to kick a soccer ball, boot a Sherrin, use Roy Emerson's racquet, or hit a golf ball 300 meters using a cricket bat. Disingenuous, Tassie52, as is your claim to divine what I am really trying to say. (Tassie52) And this is what you really want to say, isn't it, Berndt? You cannot reconcile yourself to the fact that we're using 21st century technology when you believe we should still be living in the 1950s. The "overly influential extent" you so lament is, of course, another person's bread and butter. It's all about preferences. There is no Commandment that says, "Thou shalt all use hardbat". I stopped living in the 1950s as of January 1st, 1960. And it's not all about bread and butter or preferences. It's about whether altering table tennis rubbers is ethical and what if anything can or should be done about that. No, there is no Commandment that says, "Thou shalt all use hardbat." If you can think of another way to make table tennis fairer and more honest please do so. So far you have, despite decrying cheating, yet to propose an alternative solution. ------------- bmann1942 Setup: Mark Bellamy Master Craftsman blade, British Leyland hard rubber |
Posted By: andras
Date Posted: 08/05/2015 at 5:14pm
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if the player in the video has good skills I (and I am not strong) game as Ma Long. I work because his forehand pulls the ball returning after a block with his irregular rubber and the ball is easy but really easy for kill loop. Its services (probably his best shot) is all top-side spin function because it blocks the ball back with his rubber irregular. Without that rubber he does not win a game against players much weaker than those seen in the video exactly as the Dott. neubauer would not win any title veterans. IMHO In addition, the opponent has many disadvantages: It can not serve because it would return a ball side spin very difficult to play. can not serve short because the rubber with the strong push. It can serve not only spin or slight back spin long to get back a playable ball to the player who receives it is a huge advantage. If your opponent makes a top spin and he blocks with the irregular rubber ball that will return the will be impossible to another top spin, only be placed in the other side of the camp, I player using the rubber irregular know and prepares shot (kill loops) with great anticipation. If the player plays with inverted rubber side-top spin or side ----- back spin the ball back is very difficult to manage. The player with the rubber when irregular blocks a topspin does not need to change the angle of the racket according to the spin coming just to put the rubber ball in front of his block will be almost impossible for his opponent to make another top spin without going to the network even if his shot will be high on the table I can go on for several pages to write down all the inconsistencies of this type of tires |
Posted By: Kolev
Date Posted: 08/05/2015 at 5:43pm
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This is becoming too big of a discussion and way out of the original thread.....Nonsenses coming out of enviousness ------------- Hallmark Carbon Extreme (x3) FH: D05/G1/RX BH: Z2/D64/Ω7Pro |
Posted By: kurokami
Date Posted: 08/05/2015 at 5:51pm
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755 is legal. our kid choppers use 755. it's mixed half-long pips. so you can play both SP hits and LP chop though not as strong with either. they played US Open up to 2200 no problem. those guys don't play LP well. it's not really the rubber. we have kids here who practice vs LP all the time and they will basically never miss from the underspin going into the net. ------------- Viscaria H3N/T05 http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=65345&KW=&title=feedback-kurokami |
Posted By: wturber
Date Posted: 08/05/2015 at 7:26pm
You can say the same thing about the opponent using spinny inverted. Take it away and his chances of winning diminish greatly. Change any player's rubber drastically and their ability to win is likely to drop dramatically. How else can a 1900-is hardbat player like myself defeat a younger, better, and clearly superior 2700 level player? Larry Hodges used to routinely defeat sub-2000 level players using a clipboard for a paddle. That doesn't mean that a bare piece of pressboard is inherently a better playing surface or inherently unfair. It just means Larry is skilled in using it and most sub-2000 level players aren't generally skilled or clever enough to deal with it well. ------------- Jay Turberville www.jayandwanda.com Hardbat: Nittaku Resist w/ Dr. Evil or Friendship 802-40 OX |
Posted By: wturber
Date Posted: 08/05/2015 at 7:31pm
If the long pips player altered his rubber, maybe it is because he's tired of playing against all the boosted rubbers. ------------- Jay Turberville www.jayandwanda.com Hardbat: Nittaku Resist w/ Dr. Evil or Friendship 802-40 OX |
Posted By: andras
Date Posted: 08/06/2015 at 2:26am
 Me cheater because people cheater very impressive !!!!! Table tennis is very good sport  If you read we wont stop ALL cheaters NOT only the long pimple player. If people cheaters need stop the cheaters not compensate for cheating better  |
Posted By: Victor_the_cleaner
Date Posted: 08/06/2015 at 11:56am
wturber, this is not a law, as the governments have monopolized that area. ITTF creates arbitrary, I would say, rules for the game of table tennis. This is not a law and nobody will go to jail or get fined for treating rubber with stuff. People have developed a fetish to those rules and call them law. Here is a new law, I am writing it right now: #1. Thau shall not make idiotic table tennis rules! Is that law now? But it has the same legal strength as the entire ITTF rulebook. Breaking stupid table tennis rules is not only immoral, but sometimes necessary. People should not blindly follow authority, no matter who the authority. Remember, even the US government used to think that it is OK to own other human beings as property and more recently to put its own citizens in concentration camps. All government bodies are made of corrupt and incompetent humans who always pursue their personal interests first. People need to wake up and sniff the roses and protest when they see something stinks. Remember the Nuremberg Trials. People were post factum convicted for not only following the law but taking explicit orders. Accepting everything that ITTF throws at us only emboldens them to further and further pursuing monetizing the sport. We can soon be playing with 50 mm ball in 5 point games with a 1 foot net. They don't care. Whatever will bring more money from audience and TV rights, that will be the next law.
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Posted By: Victor_the_cleaner
Date Posted: 08/06/2015 at 11:59am
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one more law: I forbid anybody to reply to my last post. It was just a note, and I don't care what you think anyway, and don't want to throw off the thread. And to get back to this, the dude's got great touch, what do you estimate his USATT rating to be? I am thinking 24-2500?
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Posted By: ZingyDNA
Date Posted: 08/06/2015 at 12:38pm
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LOL Your rant makes so little sense even you know it's not worth a reply, don't you? And yeah, he looks like in the 2400s, not much higher than that. And he won the Israeli championship? Is there no pro TT players in Israel?
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Posted By: wturber
Date Posted: 08/06/2015 at 3:25pm
You may take the issue up with the ITTF if you like, but the title of the document is "The Laws of Table Tennis." Given that you were discussing table tennis rules, I took your statements in that context. You may want to consult a few dictionaries as well as to the various meaning of the word, "law." ------------- Jay Turberville www.jayandwanda.com Hardbat: Nittaku Resist w/ Dr. Evil or Friendship 802-40 OX |
Posted By: LUCKYLOOP
Date Posted: 08/09/2015 at 5:44am
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Does anyone know how much sponge he is using with that LP 755 ? ------------- Hntr Fl / 4H & BH Xiom Sigma Pro 2 2.0 Yinhe T-2 / 4H Xiom Sig Pro 2 2.0 BH Xiom Omega IV Elite Max Gam DC / 4H DHS Hurricane 8 39deg 2.1 BH GD CC LP OX HARDBAT / Hock 3 ply / Frenshp Dr Evil OX |
Posted By: IanMcg
Date Posted: 08/09/2015 at 6:11am
Who knows? He might be blocking with 1.5 sponge for all we know. I'm assuming he's using no sponge, due to the style of blocking he's using.
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Posted By: vvk1
Date Posted: 08/09/2015 at 11:32am
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Greg Letts just did an interview with andras: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhO4K_yFhh8" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhO4K_yFhh8 |
Posted By: wturber
Date Posted: 08/09/2015 at 4:51pm
Now that's funny. (Unfair, of course, but still funny.) ------------- Jay Turberville www.jayandwanda.com Hardbat: Nittaku Resist w/ Dr. Evil or Friendship 802-40 OX |
Posted By: Kolev
Date Posted: 08/09/2015 at 5:36pm
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Posted By: Ringer84
Date Posted: 08/09/2015 at 5:42pm
BUT I LIKE PUTTING HEAVY TOPSPIN ON THE BALL! Hahahahaah, I lost it at that spot. Greg Letts is the man. ------------- USATT Rating: 1785 Timo Boll Spirit FH: Andro Rasant BH: Baracuda |
Posted By: vvk1
Date Posted: 08/09/2015 at 5:46pm
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IMHO, it is the best (and shortest) crash course into junk rubber theory. |
Posted By: berndt_mann
Date Posted: 08/09/2015 at 5:53pm
Fair? There's no fair in table tennis! Forrest Gump (who defeated the entire Chinese National Team in 1971 using an elcheapo hardbat covered with orange rubber) ------------- bmann1942 Setup: Mark Bellamy Master Craftsman blade, British Leyland hard rubber |