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Topic: Donic Crest Off
Posted By: Wolf
Subject: Donic Crest Off
Date Posted: 08/02/2015 at 5:24am
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Hello , Some time ago, I noticed there http://ooakforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=27585 that Donic released a new blade. However, my interest faded when I found information on the size of the blade 15.5 cm x 14.6 cm  . I just thought why Donic chose this path smaller size? Perhaps because of the transition to plastic balls to speed up the game? Well, not for me and I let it out of your head.About a month ago I was able to directly pick up Donic Crest Off and I would like to give some information to debunk. 9 ply blade 1 Limba 0.8 mm 2 + 8 Carbon ZF 3 + 7 Carbon Fleece 4 + 6 Limba 0.8 mm Middle Kiri 2.8 mm Thickness 5.9 mm Weight: 89 g Size: 158 x 152 mm !!! uploads/33199/P7130797.JPG" rel="nofollow - uploads/33199/P7130797.JPG uploads/33199/P7130802.JPG" rel="nofollow - uploads/33199/P7130802.JPG uploads/33199/P7130800.JPG" rel="nofollow - uploads/33199/P7130800.JPG The visual impression: At first glance it is clear that the process is of the highest quality. Absolutely precisely cut, no sharp edges, no protruding fibers, even a sign bearing the sign itself perfectly fits into the handle and does not stick out as the series Champion Waldner 89th Donic engineers have learned the lessons and have taken a big step forward Donic glory! I dare say that I have never had a product in hand Donic such high quality. How does it play? Wood is categorized Off. My impression is that it is on the higher side off to the very bottom limit Off +. What fascinates me, literally, it's an absolute rigidity and zero vibrations. No disturbing effect fading after hitting the ball. The dominant feature of wood is really a great feeling! Upon ball impact your blade provides absolutely accurate information and therefore a sense of control is at a very high level. The first test I conducted with my boyfriend and we both agreed that this wood nothing like the feeling of his manuscript Donic, but rather belongs to the family of Butterfly. I personally find it very reminiscent mixed feelings Jun Mizutani and Boll ZLC .Jun Mizutani I really liked, but I did not manage that big catapult and gall Boll was too hard for me, and also the power catapult. Donic Crest for me is precisely the mix of what was in the woods both good for me and even upped the perfect feel. The friend added that it's Jun Mizutani with a sense Photina. I never had, so that thought can not yet be confirmed. I have played around 8-10h and I'm still feeling abducted this wood. I've tried several rubber and generally speaking, the Crest is well understood with medium and harder rubber. W. ------------- Donic Crest Off FH-Donic Acuda S2 Max BH-Tibhar ELP 1.9 Donic Crest AR+ FH-Joola Maxxxp 2.0 BH-Joola Rhyzm Tech 2.0 |
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Posted By: *_strataras_*
Date Posted: 08/02/2015 at 8:08am
Miss Wolf, I would reccomend u to play with it more than 2 weeks with it to see how it is playing.I am refering to the the new-equipment-syndrome, where we all find our new equipment ultra-perfect for us.But the truth comes after 2 weeks of practicing with it. 
Anyways...I am looking forward to buy this new, good looking blade.  ------------- OSP Virtuoso SQST Tenergy 05(black 1,9mm FH) Tenergy 05(red 1,9mm BH) http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=74157&title=feedback-strataras" rel="nofollow - Feedback |
Posted By: TurboZ
Date Posted: 08/02/2015 at 7:36pm
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New equipment syndrome is real but not this time because the Creat is truly great. Very comfy to grip as the shoulders are all pre-sanded. No sharp edges there. Craftsmanship is top notch. Personally not a fan of the handle colour scheme. Like it with more black instead of yellow. Have put Acuda P1 and Desto F1 Plus on it. Many does not like the new Acuda but I found it match perfectly with this blade. Seems like they are made with each other in mind from design. I have a few fast setups but this is simply the easiest to play fast. Looping is natural and landing with beautiful curve so easily. It gives me perfect sense of dwell, ball grip, catapult and punch. Can't say the same for the side with F1. The throw is lower, flatter and long. Have to adjust my loop a bit for it to work. Should have gone with P1 both sides as a looper. ------------- http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=53150&title=feedback-turboz - My Feedback |
Posted By: asifgunz
Date Posted: 08/02/2015 at 8:58pm
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does zf stand for zylon fiber? 4 plys of composite. hmm. -------------  "I do not have any idols. I am my own idol." - Zhang Jike Feedback: http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=71761&PN=1#905629 |
Posted By: ashishsharmaait
Date Posted: 08/03/2015 at 12:01am
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This composition looks close to the Victas Quartet Series SFC, AFC, LFC and VFC. The VFC is Victas equivalent of super ZLC and the LFC is the equivalent of Zylon Fiber. SFC is soft carbon and AFC is arylate. Is the Donic also made in China? If yes, they are probably made in the same factory. |
Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 08/03/2015 at 5:34am
| They look like SoulSpin blades to me... |
Posted By: haggisv
Date Posted: 08/03/2015 at 6:06am
That would not surprised me either, since they've already got other blades made by Soulspin. ------------- Smart; VS>401, Dtecs OX http://tabletennisshop.com.au/index.php?main_page=page&id=42" rel="nofollow - Tenergy Alternatives | http://tabletennis-reviews.com" rel="nofollow - My TT Articles |
AndySmith wrote:Posted By: Bran
Date Posted: 08/03/2015 at 6:24am
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The German theme of the handle align with this. The WC89 blades also had a German flag in the protruding lense. Same for the carbon fleece and zylon fiber, same material they were using. |
Posted By: Wolf
Date Posted: 08/08/2015 at 3:13pm
@ STRATARAS -I hope that this will not be my case even though you never know, right? So far, this blade brings a lot of joy to play  @TurboZ - I don't know how to play F1 P, but if you really want to experience a great feeling of the game, so I suggest try Victas Stiff 2.0 mm. Played absolutely fantastic, accurately and sufficiently progressive. The condition, however, are quick feet, which I don't have  Really worth a try if you have the opportunity? If you are looking for more control and tolerance, can give Adidas P5 max or Donic JP 01 max. Adidas P5 max stands out better on a plastic balloon JP 01 max a better playing with celluloid. New Acuda P1 2.0 mm is also a good choice. In my opinion the universal blade on medium-medium hard rubber. ------------- Donic Crest Off FH-Donic Acuda S2 Max BH-Tibhar ELP 1.9 Donic Crest AR+ FH-Joola Maxxxp 2.0 BH-Joola Rhyzm Tech 2.0 |
Posted By: TurboZ
Date Posted: 08/09/2015 at 4:30am
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Thanks for the tips Wolf. Have not thought about buying anything from Victas as that is quite an unknown brand to me and their pricing is on par with many top ones. Usually I stock my rubbers from TT11 but they don't seems to carry the Stiff model you recommended. Will see if I can get the chance to try it in the future. Probably won't consider anything from Adidas either as the brand is quitting the TT business. I have JP-01 Turbo and Acuda P1 and love them both. Especially love the loud click from P1 on Crest. I found this combo generate the click with little effort and insane speed. ------------- http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=53150&title=feedback-turboz - My Feedback |
Posted By: *_strataras_*
Date Posted: 08/09/2015 at 4:44am
I hope u will enjoy it more than u expected my lady! :) ------------- OSP Virtuoso SQST Tenergy 05(black 1,9mm FH) Tenergy 05(red 1,9mm BH) http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=74157&title=feedback-strataras" rel="nofollow - Feedback |
Posted By: Wolf
Date Posted: 08/09/2015 at 1:18pm
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If you like the sound at impact of the ball at P1 on the Crest , you can be sure that the Stiff would have liked even more . I tried both the rubber at the same time and the stiff was the clear winner . Gaming practice has proved that if you handle the speed of the Stiff, your opponent has far greater problems block and the face of the oncoming ball . They confirmed to me that all the sparring with whom I played . However, when you do not have enough strength to be on the ball first ,so then it is easier to play with the P1 A short comparison: Speed : Victas Stiff 2.0 > P1 2.0 Arc : Victas Stiff 2.0 < P1 2.0 Hardness: Victas Stiff 2.0 > P1 2.0 Sound: Victas Stiff 2.0 > P1 2.0 Aggression : Victas Stiff 2.0 > P1 2.0 With regard to Adidas ,unfortunately, I have also heard the bad news , that are leaving the market . Also, I heard that the brand Adidas just took advantage of a rich German ,in order to better sell . The actual Adidas has ever not worry about sales . For this reason I believe that Adidas will be still on the market , just under a different name . They are successful rubber ,so why would the ESN to stop what is working well ? I just hope that příjmou a better price ! W. ------------- Donic Crest Off FH-Donic Acuda S2 Max BH-Tibhar ELP 1.9 Donic Crest AR+ FH-Joola Maxxxp 2.0 BH-Joola Rhyzm Tech 2.0 |
Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 09/06/2015 at 2:56pm
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I've dipped my toes into the Crest pool with the AR+ version. Hopefully give it a bash tomorrow night. It's incredibly well made but from just bouncing a ball on the blade I can't see how it could ever be called allround in any sense of the word - seems a lot faster than that. But I could be surprised, you never know! Outer veneer Limba 0,8 mm 2+8 Limba 0,8mm 3+7 Carbon ZF 4+6 Carbon fleece Middle veneer Ayous 2,8 mm |
Posted By: Wolf
Date Posted: 09/06/2015 at 4:08pm
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Hi Andy , Crest AR is the speed at the very bottom of the edge Off , at least mine was as follows . I prefer the Crest Off , won me over right from the first contact ,but the Crest of the AR is also a very nice wood . What are you planning to put under the rubber ? ------------- Donic Crest Off FH-Donic Acuda S2 Max BH-Tibhar ELP 1.9 Donic Crest AR+ FH-Joola Maxxxp 2.0 BH-Joola Rhyzm Tech 2.0 |
Posted By: jackass22
Date Posted: 09/06/2015 at 4:19pm
| I have tried crest ar+. Its awsome blade.Its definitely off, not off-. Its more better than butterfly timo boll blades... |
Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 09/06/2015 at 5:15pm
I've got a whole cupboard full of stuff to try, but I'm going in with Adidas P7 FH / Acuda Blue P2 BH for starters. I've been using a WSC JO Shape last season and I was looking for a similar feeling but a small bump in speed (new ball blues). The Crest AR+ might be too big a jump, not sure yet, but it's a reasonable place to start in the Limba/Limba/Fiber area.
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Posted By: Wolf
Date Posted: 09/07/2015 at 10:21am
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You are a happy man ,when you have a home such a rare wardrobe ! I also have a home full of cabinets,but not as rare as yours ! Definitely go well with Adidas and P2 . I tried P1 2.0 and Adidas P5 max and with the Crest Off works very well . Especially the P5 makes on the side of the opponents quite strong wrinkles I Hope that the P7 will work in your hands even better ! W. ------------- Donic Crest Off FH-Donic Acuda S2 Max BH-Tibhar ELP 1.9 Donic Crest AR+ FH-Joola Maxxxp 2.0 BH-Joola Rhyzm Tech 2.0 |
Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 09/08/2015 at 9:29am
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First session with the Crest AR+ latst night. I would usually break the session up by trying different rubbers, but I was pretty happy with the P7/P2 setup I went with and stuck with that for the whole night. I'm very happy with the way it went. The AR+ isn't allround at all, more like the lower end of Off, and it pretty much satisfies my want for a faster alternative to my WSC. The feel is different and is a bit tricky to describe at this stage (need more time), but it has a sharper feel and less feedback for sure. The good news for me is that it has a very similar performance to the WSC on loops and in the short game - slightly faster, but that's it - easy to use and effective. Touch over the table was spot on. On more direct shots it feels much more solid and definite, and adds a chunk of speed in comparison, which is exactly what I was looking for. Blocking is noticeably better for me with the Crest, but the main highlight is counterlooping from 1-2m back. I have been struggling to get enough power on the new ball from back there with the WSC (and I'm not going to be pumping myself up to compensate for various reasons) but the Crest has just enough umph to help with this without being too fast in other areas. Sweet spot is large but not as massive as found in the WC89 series. Fit and finish is excellent, although I did end up with a sore spot on the inside of my thumb from the handle (might just be me though). The only real downside to the Crest AR+ is the lack of feel, but it's comparable to similar ZLC/Innerforce type blades so it comes with the territory. I definitely recommend it to anyone thinking of going for an IF-ZLC, for example. Great combination with the P7. The Acuda P2 is still a bit of an enigma to me, but feels much better on the Crest than the Acuda P3 I tried on the WSC last month. I was prepared to switch the P2 around but I'm going to stick with it for a while - for me, the topsheet really does help with grab feel with the new ball, and although there are other trade-offs to be had with it I feel that it's a worthwhile adjustment to make.
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Posted By: Wolf
Date Posted: 09/10/2015 at 10:08am
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Hi Andy , nice review and I agree with you .However, if you want to experience a better feeling ,you simply need to try the Crest Off,there is no other way to achieve this . This is exactly the reason why I chose Off and still satisfied :) Good luck , W. ------------- Donic Crest Off FH-Donic Acuda S2 Max BH-Tibhar ELP 1.9 Donic Crest AR+ FH-Joola Maxxxp 2.0 BH-Joola Rhyzm Tech 2.0 |
Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 09/10/2015 at 10:33am
I'm quite happy with the feel of the AR+ actually - it's just a bit numb compared with the WSC, but I expected that. I didn't go with the Crest Off because I didn't want more of the composite feel. I prefer the composite to be next to the core these days rather than under the outer ply. I'm quite happy and I'll be ordering a backup. Did very well in a league match last night with it.
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Posted By: lineup32
Date Posted: 09/10/2015 at 12:57pm
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So is the fleece under the limba and the ZLC on each side of the core? Veneer structure: 9-ply
Outer veneer Limba 0,8 mm 2+8 Carbon ZF 3+7 Carbon fleece 4+6 Limba 0,8 mm Middle veneer Kiri 2,8 mm |
Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 09/10/2015 at 1:27pm
Yeah, that's the Crest Off. |
Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 09/10/2015 at 1:39pm
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No,hang on. Might have misunderstood you there. The Off has kiri (core) - limba - carbon fleece - zl - limba (outer). The Crest AR+ has ayous (core) - carbon fleece - zl - limba - limba (outer) Note that the carbon and zl aren't woven together like a zlc, they're two separate layers. |
Posted By: lineup32
Date Posted: 09/10/2015 at 2:00pm
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http://www.donic.de/index.php?screen=dstore.item.view&TreeNodeID=29686&sid=1 weird the Donic site list both with the same plies, can't find anything that mirrors your feedback, but I expect you are correct as it would not make sense to have the OFF and AR the same.
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Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 09/10/2015 at 2:08pm
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I'm going to put that down to a copy/paste error on the donic site. They are definitely different. This is accurate IMO: http://ooakforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=27585" rel="nofollow - http://ooakforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=27585 |
Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 09/10/2015 at 2:11pm
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Well, I say ooak is accurate but the head sizes there are wrong, as mentioned by the op in this very thread. Quite a few places have the plies identical for the two blades. Definitely wrong. |
Posted By: lineup32
Date Posted: 09/10/2015 at 5:03pm
Thats why I asked my question I just could not figure out how they rearranged the plies to create one or the other, saves money on materials 
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Posted By: BB-Big
Date Posted: 09/11/2015 at 12:14am
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How about their playing characteristics and feel compare to the popular ZLC blades such as the Innerforce ZLC and Jun ZLC/SZLC? Thanks. |
Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 09/11/2015 at 3:57am
The Crest AR+ is pretty close overall to the IF-ZLC. The AR+ is slightly thicker and vibrates less (although I didn't find the IF-ZLC to be a vibration monster or anything). I also felt that the AR+ was a bit softer in feel and less bouncy in the short game, while feeling a bit more solid and direct in drives and hits. It's been a while since I used the IF-ZLC (and that was with celluloid), so take that with a pinch of whatevs. I wish I could compare them directly but I don't have access to an IF-ZLC at the moment. It's right up there with the IF-ZLC IMO, and I can get it for half the price. Excellent.
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Posted By: BB-Big
Date Posted: 09/11/2015 at 7:04am
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Thanks for your reviews, Andy. Hope I can try it soon. The only obstacle is its price tag and the exchange rate these days.  And it's quite difficult to choose between the Off or AR+ version. |
Posted By: jackass22
Date Posted: 09/11/2015 at 7:19am
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If you want off+ - off, choose donic crest off. If you want off blade, choose donic crest ar+. Crest off ist a little bit stiffer, harder, less wood feel. Both blades are the top of their catheogries.
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Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 09/11/2015 at 7:34am
Not sure what your budget is, but get in touch with tibi if you're looking to get hold of a Crest for less than retail.
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Posted By: BB-Big
Date Posted: 09/11/2015 at 7:37am
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With Kiri core of the Crest off, I'm afraid of its stiffness. If it is not too stiff and has some flexibility at high impact, it should be good. Actually I love to hear the drawback/disadvantage of the blades. Because it helps slowing down my EJ things and save my money. |
Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 09/11/2015 at 7:46am
Sure, I can go full negative for you if you like. The head size is big, so with heavy rubbers they become a bit head-heavy. Not massively so, but it's noticeable. The FL AR+ handle I have is an improvement on the Donic WC89 series because it's a bit thicker and the lenses don't stick out, but it's still a bit on the thin side (although it's plenty wide enough). And the handle has a super-smooth finish which you may or may not like. Finishing is generally excellent but there are some little bits of fibre sticking out of the bottom of the handle. This is a tiny thing to mention really. Ummm. It came in a standard Donic box? Which is a bit cheap and nasty compared with proper origami sliding SoulSpin boxes, which are a work of art. I'm reaching now. But that's it. It plays really well though - that's the crucial part. Well worth approx €100 of your hard earned currency.
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Posted By: BB-Big
Date Posted: 09/11/2015 at 8:05am
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Thanks everyone especially Andy. Your latest comment really helps me (to spend). |
Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 09/11/2015 at 8:38am
Yeah, I felt like I drifted away from the objective with that post.
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Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 09/16/2015 at 10:32am
| Might be worth mentioning that the two Crest AR+ blades I have are both 6.2mm thick. Just to add an extra little LOL to the official specs on the Donic website. |
Posted By: the_theologian
Date Posted: 09/16/2015 at 12:07pm
This was my only complaint with the WC89 Appelgren I had ------------- Appelgren Allplay ST / Vega Europe max |
Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 09/16/2015 at 3:04pm
I much prefer the Crest handle - not as flat, and no unexpected lens protrusions. The Crest is a good blade, I'm sure you'd like it a lot. It's probably very similar to a lot of things you've already tried though.
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Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 09/16/2015 at 3:17pm
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Crest or IF ZLC? Who wins? ------------- https://youtu.be/jhO4K_yFhh8?t=115" rel="nofollow - I like putting heavy topspin on the ball... Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 09/16/2015 at 3:45pm
This is a close one. Crest has a crisper feel, sharp and definite, but has the nice limba feel on brush shots. It's thicker and feels more solid, I prefer the handle. Speed is very close and they both have that great combination of feel up close and power away from the table - I find the Crest is slightly faster overall and the stiffness helps with drives and blocks. But - the Crest's head size makes it a little more head-heavy in comparison, and mine are both 92g which is heavier than the IF-ZLC I had for a bit (86g), so some of these differences might be down to weight. Crest is half the price of the IF-ZLC (via our forum's resident Donic) and is incredibly close in performance.
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Posted By: t64t64t64
Date Posted: 09/17/2015 at 1:20am
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Hello Andy, just to mention that i hate you :) damn this damn blade look bloody good. I dont want to spend........... damnnn ------------- http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=61764&PID=734709 |
Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 09/17/2015 at 4:34am
Yeah, I get that a lot. It's a good blade, well-made, reasonable if you don't pay retail price. It's not so different to many blades you've already tried or own though, so I doubt you'll find it a revelation or anything.
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Posted By: the_theologian
Date Posted: 09/19/2015 at 7:28pm
Andy... please stop tempting me ------------- Appelgren Allplay ST / Vega Europe max |
Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 09/21/2015 at 10:51am
What, me? What have I said?
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Posted By: the_theologian
Date Posted: 09/21/2015 at 10:59am
All this comparing to IF ZLC....  ------------- Appelgren Allplay ST / Vega Europe max |
Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 09/21/2015 at 11:15am
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Theologian suspects his IF is too fast, is considering boosting... All I need to know is that he is considering Tenergy 05 and the sky is falling on our heads. ------------- https://youtu.be/jhO4K_yFhh8?t=115" rel="nofollow - I like putting heavy topspin on the ball... Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 09/21/2015 at 11:37am
Well then, I'd say the Crest is a step in the wrong direction. If that's still where he wants to go?
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Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 09/21/2015 at 12:05pm
Crest AR+ still too fast? ------------- https://youtu.be/jhO4K_yFhh8?t=115" rel="nofollow - I like putting heavy topspin on the ball... Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
Posted By: the_theologian
Date Posted: 09/21/2015 at 12:43pm
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I don't think IF ZLC is too fast. And I won't be boosting my main setup (I'm going to experiment with H3 and old rubbers for fun). My interest in the Crest is due to the price and availability of the IF ZLC in ST ------------- Appelgren Allplay ST / Vega Europe max |
Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 09/21/2015 at 1:01pm
Nah, it's just right daddy bear. Just not slower than the if-zlc. |
Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 09/21/2015 at 1:02pm
Hmm. It's worth a go then! If you hate it I will lose all respect for you and then take it off your hands. |
Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 09/21/2015 at 1:05pm
I thought the IF ZLC was beast. Did I buy a Beetle? ------------- https://youtu.be/jhO4K_yFhh8?t=115" rel="nofollow - I like putting heavy topspin on the ball... Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 09/21/2015 at 1:32pm
Everyone has a cut off point I suppose. It's quick, but I found it to be easier to handle than the Boll ZLC and JM. The Crest is right on the limit of what I can cope with in practical terms, but I don't use the fastest rubbers in the world. What stands out to me with the Crest over the IF is the combination of loop ability and clear, pure feel on hits and drives. No compromises, and plenty of power for put aways. But with fast rubbers it would be a handful. |
Posted By: Wolf
Date Posted: 09/23/2015 at 4:39pm
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I had some questions whether playing Tenergy 05 in connection with the Donic Crest Off ? Today tested and I can say that this combination can find its fans . Tested 05 2.1 mm on the front side . It is not go wrong with this combination . Topspin on the front side it has a nice bow, and offers tremendous precision and a good rotation .A long time ago I played last time with Tenergy 05,but basically I liked it more than the Butterfly Maze Off or Boll Spirit . A few days ago, I tried and MXP EVO Max and also works very well . If I had to rate the accuracy of the location , so with Tenergy 05 , I had the feeling that I can more accurately place the ball on the table than with the EVO MXP . However, if I judge the rotation , so the EVO MXP and according to the words of Sparring spin have the better and the worse of the block on its side . However, both rubber work on the Crest Off very well and it just depends on the tastes of who is what like ? W. ------------- Donic Crest Off FH-Donic Acuda S2 Max BH-Tibhar ELP 1.9 Donic Crest AR+ FH-Joola Maxxxp 2.0 BH-Joola Rhyzm Tech 2.0 |
Posted By: asifgunz
Date Posted: 09/23/2015 at 5:00pm
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Lmao Andy said he's "reaching". This guy got me dyinggggg. ------------- "I do not have any idols. I am my own idol." - Zhang Jike Feedback: http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=71761&PN=1#905629 |
Posted By: the_theologian
Date Posted: 10/03/2015 at 12:19am
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did we figure out the country of origin for the Crest series? ------------- Appelgren Allplay ST / Vega Europe max |
Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 10/03/2015 at 4:38am
Nothing concrete, but it does look like SoulSpin to me. |
Posted By: the_theologian
Date Posted: 10/04/2015 at 11:30am
Well if history serves us, when a manufacturer doesn't declare the origin it's typically made in China. ------------- Appelgren Allplay ST / Vega Europe max |
Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 10/04/2015 at 1:15pm
True. Could be an amazing fake out if so. The generic Donic box it cones in doesn't say anything about country of origin. I'll ask around. Don't really care though. Awesome blade regardless of where it comes from. |
Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 10/04/2015 at 1:20pm
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https://www.topspintt.com/products/blades/450/crest-off-blades Says Made in Germany here. Lot of misinformation about Crest around though. Don't trust anything. |
Posted By: nv42
Date Posted: 10/04/2015 at 4:41pm
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Hey Andy, incase yuv tried the xiom vega pro, how would yua Crest compare? Pretty sure the vega pro would be faster, but in terms of top end power, spin (dwell I guess) and throw. ------------- 1.dhs pg2 fl -FH t05h (max) -BH tibhar genius (max) |
Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 10/04/2015 at 4:53pm
Coincidentally, I got a Vega Pro at the same time as my first Crest AR+. I had a very brief go, but I've fallen hard for the Crest. My VP is 84g, Crest 92g, so that will be making a difference. But the Crest is noticeably a bit faster and stiffer, and has a sharper feel on blocks and drives which I just love. VP felt like it had more dwell and I could load the spin up more easily with it. The main thing I immediately disliked about the VP were the wings, which were annoying me straight away. Crest was a lot more comfortable for my grip, but YMMV obviously. Crest threw a bit lower but on brushy shots I could hardly tell the difference. The Crest feels a tad more solid and powerful on drives and hits, which is a big plus for me with the new ball. Both good blades, Crest is the big winner for me at the moment. Honestly, fantastic blade.
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Posted By: LennyG
Date Posted: 10/04/2015 at 9:45pm
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Andy, if you familiar with Stratus Power Wood, can you compare your Crest to it? Thanks ------------- USATT 1700 Donic Waldner WC89 Xiom Omega V Asia |
Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 10/05/2015 at 3:52am
Crest is faster, stiffer for sure. Also a bit harder, and I don't just mean because of the composite. The limba they use on the Crest (or perhaps the factory seal is doing this) has a slightly harder, sharper feel to it than most blades with limba/limba outers. Crest throws a bit lower but not much in it.
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Posted By: nv42
Date Posted: 10/05/2015 at 5:00am
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Awesome! Thanks Andy! Just what I wanted to know :).. And enjoy your Crest haha.. ------------- 1.dhs pg2 fl -FH t05h (max) -BH tibhar genius (max) |
Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 10/05/2015 at 10:44am
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The Vega blades, the straight handles are light years ahead of the flare handles - just saying. That was my biggest mistake - buying my first Vega blades in flare handle. ------------- https://youtu.be/jhO4K_yFhh8?t=115" rel="nofollow - I like putting heavy topspin on the ball... Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 10/05/2015 at 11:51am
I always default to FL handles, but you may be right. It's all academic now anyway - VP seems like a top blade (apart from the comfort factor for me), but the Crest is a much better fit for me. I'm done for a while now. Just rotating rubbers to find the best fit.
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Posted By: LennyG
Date Posted: 10/05/2015 at 3:09pm
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Thanks Andy. So I understand that it's faster do everything well blade. Intresting. ------------- USATT 1700 Donic Waldner WC89 Xiom Omega V Asia |
Posted By: nv42
Date Posted: 10/05/2015 at 3:45pm
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Lol. I actually bought the St handle because FL was outta stock. I tried a friend's vega pro FL and I do like the St more since I like a lil thick handles. And yeah imo, vega pro is the best blade I have ever played with, Atleast for me ( aggressive two winged looper ). This is the only thing that gives me the power of a composite blade combined with the feel n dwell of an all wood. And yeah it also has that safety factor which let's me swing all out knowing that the ball is gonna land in for sure! MX-P works extremely well on the VP for me, though I'm planning on changing the O5pro soon (i got the pre assembled setup from tt11, came a lot cheaper overall) already sold my black O5pro. Gonna use rakza7 which is a lot more powerful. ------------- 1.dhs pg2 fl -FH t05h (max) -BH tibhar genius (max) |
Posted By: slevin
Date Posted: 10/05/2015 at 3:51pm
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Too bad for me: I've tried 3 Vega Pros and never found one I quite liked (as some other blade I owned at that time). ------------- Trade feedback: http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=50787" rel="nofollow - http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=50787 |
Posted By: slevin
Date Posted: 10/05/2015 at 3:53pm
The countdown starts NOW! ------------- Trade feedback: http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=50787" rel="nofollow - http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=50787 |
Posted By: nv42
Date Posted: 10/05/2015 at 4:39pm
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Your current blade seems a whole lot differnt than vega pro slevin , hard outer plies n GlassFiber ( really curious to how a gf blade plays :P). VP does feel a tad bit flexier than similar bty blades, and my friends FL VP feels really flexier and slower than my St VP. Sorry for derailing the thread lol.. Was really interested in trying the Crest cuz of its awesome build(soulspin <3) and unique comp though I guess I'll hold off for now. ------------- 1.dhs pg2 fl -FH t05h (max) -BH tibhar genius (max) |
Posted By: Wolf
Date Posted: 10/06/2015 at 4:56pm
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Hi Andy , I see well , that you took the second the same Crest AR ? Me also the Crest Off to devour enough of that already, I also have a second backup . This time I chose holding AN and I have to say , that is great . I have a large palm and holding it is perfect . If I bought another , bought I again AN . Today test the backup Crest Off with a rubber Xiom Vega Pro Max and Sigma II EURO max . Vega Pro max for me quite a disappointment . This great rubber had almost no catapult. Maybe good for someone who likes to have great control ,my cup of tea but it is not . A nice surprise is the Sigma II EURO max . Very friendly , central hr, and a beautiful response with a pleasant ,,CLICK,, with every stroke . Blocks and short game is a dream ,I see the great potential of the rubber on the back . On the front end, I like the harder and firmer feeling . Someone has the knowledge to compare the overall feeling of the hardness and h Sigma I, Sigma Pro and Sigma EU in chub max ? Thank you , W. ------------- Donic Crest Off FH-Donic Acuda S2 Max BH-Tibhar ELP 1.9 Donic Crest AR+ FH-Joola Maxxxp 2.0 BH-Joola Rhyzm Tech 2.0 |
Posted By: jackass22
Date Posted: 10/07/2015 at 3:55pm
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Andy, wolf Could you please compare acuda p2 and adidas p7 on the crest ar+? What others rubber have you tested on crest? Can you compare it? |
Posted By: slevin
Date Posted: 10/07/2015 at 4:17pm
My comment was more towards the VP. Soulspin is awesome: I demo'ed the Holz Sieben earlier and I'm currently trying out the Nittaku Basaltec Outer at the moment (having bought one for myself) with MX-P on both sides and it feels amazing. I love their blades. It enters my Pantheon of Good Blades. Other members include the Barwell Fleet, MJ-SZLC and Holz Sieben. I briefly tried their Waldner '89 as well but my personal preference is towards blades with composite material close to the outer layer. the Crest AR+ seems to be the limba-outer version of the Waldner '89 (which had spruce outer). ------------- Trade feedback: http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=50787" rel="nofollow - http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=50787 |
Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 10/07/2015 at 4:52pm
I feel that P2 is a much better rubber than P3, which is just too soft and flaccid for me. P2 has the necessary solidity to work well, but has a quite fierce top end speed. The topsheet grips well and feels reliable, but it is a fast rubber. Maybe too fast for me. P7 remains a brilliant rubber, and pairs up amazingly well with the AR+ IMO. I'd probably commit to it fully but there are obvious long term issues with using it. Maybe it is a little bit bouncy, but with the plastic ball that seems to help rather than hinder me. The AR+ has the guts and power behind it to make P7 shine. Amazing combo. Agony that it isn't going to be available in the future. Other stuff? I've switched to JP03 on the BH side in recent weeks and that works wonderfully. I gave M3 a brief run out on the FH side and it felt hollow and lacked power, but this was the first time I'd used it with plastic. I'd guess that M2 would work, but there are probably better options from more recent ranges. I've also had a quick go with Big Dipper 38 and Saturn Pro, just for old time's sake. This was an OK setup, very head heavy though. BD on the FH felt very all-or-nothing on the AR+. It produced nasty low-arc high-spin drives (many winners) and a lot of nothing balls (many easy balls for the opponent). Not sure about this setup yet. Might not be a good idea. Good control over the table though - some incredibly tight pushes. In the cupboard and ready to go are Omega 5 Asia, Aeolus 45, Rakza X, Hurricane 8, Skyline 3-60 and some assorted Adidas rubbers which I shouldn't really bother with if I'm honest.
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Posted By: slevin
Date Posted: 10/07/2015 at 4:57pm
Actually, based on http://www.donic.de/index.php?screen=dstore.item.view&TreeNodeID=29686" rel="nofollow - this , the composite stuff layers in the AR+ are closer to the outer layer rather than to the core (as I earlier thought). But what's with the blade size: 155x146 according to the Donic website? ------------- Trade feedback: http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=50787" rel="nofollow - http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=50787 |
Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 10/07/2015 at 5:05pm
Nope nope nope nope. Most of the info you can find online is wrong, and looks to have been copy/pasted from the Crest Off. And the headsize is wrong too. Check my posts earlier in this thread for more info.
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Posted By: slevin
Date Posted: 10/07/2015 at 5:08pm
Thanks. Yes, I noticed that according to you, this blade has a WWC'89-like composition It is amazing: Donic's own website (whose link I posted) gives wrong information about a Donic blade. Perhaps this shows how much of a small-scale industry this whole TT thing is? ------------- Trade feedback: http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=50787" rel="nofollow - http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=50787 |
Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 10/07/2015 at 5:27pm
| It's a bit embarrassing, and I guess Donic could have lost a few sales because of it. You'd expect it more with cheaper blades I suppose, but not on higher-end stuff like this. |
Posted By: tom
Date Posted: 10/09/2015 at 10:54am
| not taking their composition into account and by cross referencing the various posts on this thread, I gather the Crest AR+ is similar in its attributes than the Barwell Fleet, with AR+ having a slightly higher speed both good control and feel and solidity but without direct comparison. Could anyone estimate / state where the AR+ having enough strong attributes different from the BWF to buy. This is from the perspective of someone who is willing to pay for equipment but not without justification. |
Posted By: Bran
Date Posted: 10/09/2015 at 11:09am
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Faster than the BF? Unlikely, given the BF is already on the higher end of the OFF spectrum. I have a harder time assessing the AR+ actual speed, given Donic rates it as OFF- at most while Andy says it's OFF and compares it with the I ZLC, which I find firmly in the OFF category. If the Crest OFF is also OFF, then what's left between the two? I'd like to have more AR+ samples to know whether Andy's is an outlier. |
Posted By: tom
Date Posted: 10/09/2015 at 12:48pm
it could be the one Andy has is faster than the norm. I estimated AR+ is (slightly) faster than BWF because I found the Vega Euro which is slower than the Pro (or at least equal) is,including catapult, has more power than the BWF. Also I found the IF ZLC to have more power than the BWF (which incidentally I love). This is all limited to the sample I tried.
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Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 10/09/2015 at 4:09pm
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I've never used the Barwell Fleet... About the speed, and Donic's marketing/ratings. I've just come from 6 months of using a WSC JO, 88g. I switched to the Crest AR+, 91g, same rubbers. The AR+ is noticeably faster - it's obvious. This is in spite of Donic rating the Crest as AR+/OFF- and the WSC as AR+/OFF-/OFF. Now, how a blade can occupy 3 speed ratings is left up to you to interpret, because I'm not sure how that works really. About the distinction between the two Crest blades - I haven't used the Crest Off, but the differences aren't major in terms of construction. We are perhaps talking about the difference between, say, a Butterfly JM and an IF-ZLC. There will likely be differences in feel and some noticeable bits around the edges (maybe the Crest Off will be stiffer, but bouncier in low gears but slower in high gears, whatever). But in no way should anyone expect the Crest AR+ to be an Allround + blade. If you wanted to call the WSC an AR+ blade (and maybe that's fair these days, I think it's lower OFF- myself) then the Crest AR+ is middle of OFF-. But yes, it's always sensible to have reservations about people's descriptions of blades, and my two could be oddly fast variations.
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Posted By: tom
Date Posted: 10/09/2015 at 5:10pm
| I am tempted to get the AR+, will wait for next week in case more revelation comes to light |
Posted By: Wolf
Date Posted: 10/11/2015 at 2:51pm
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Hi Tom , I have tried some time ago Barwell Fleet ,I tried Crest AR and finally ended up with the Crest Off . I would like to say that all three of the blades have a first-class treatment and it is up to you , that you choose for your style of play and what you like the feel . The speed of the Crest ARE are on the bottom of the border Off , maybe up to the middle of the Off . Crest Off is one step faster ,definitely but with great control and feeling in control doesn't feel as fast as it actually is . Barwell Fleet is similarly fast as the Crest Off ,but has a different feel . Although to me some time ago with Barweel Fleet played quite well , missed I any strength, and lacked the rotation to complete the winning point . In short, for my opponent I was a little uncomfortable and a lot of balls to me out still back . Barwell me meet in the middle distance , at the table I missed the feeling of the bite of the ball . Donic Crest for my game I found exactly what I lacked in Barwell at the lower scenes . Picking the I between the Crest of the AR and the Crest OFF and in the end I prefer the Off although would give me the speed he could and Crest AR . Crest AR for me has unfortunately much of the high hr , so I became with the Crest Off . Crest AR I would recommend to anyone for any reason as well as me not liking the Boll ZLF . Your game is at the table ,uses very sure about the block and waiting for every possible counter attack to punish the opponent . Crest Off can reach out to those who is looking for a similar feel as has the Boll ZLC , Jun Mizutani ,the only not so great catapult ,but I still spin the blades of every opportunity with a large degree of abandonment, and not punish mistakes as the first two of them . Appropriate at the table and middle distance . With the Barwell Fleet can be satisfied those who seek mainly security and control in the middle distance and relied repeatedly on the accuracy of its location. Please, however, remember that it all depends on how it pair with the appropriate rubber for your style of play . Depending on the different types of rubber then depend the overall speed of the combination . On my backup the Crest Off of what I have tried is the Acuda S3 max, overall, slower than, for example, Crest AR + MXP 2.0 mm or Omega IN the EU to 2.0 mm . Perhaps I help a little Wolf . ------------- Donic Crest Off FH-Donic Acuda S2 Max BH-Tibhar ELP 1.9 Donic Crest AR+ FH-Joola Maxxxp 2.0 BH-Joola Rhyzm Tech 2.0 |
Posted By: tom
Date Posted: 10/11/2015 at 8:39pm
| Wolf,how would the AR+ compare in terms of power vs BWF at the low end and the high end? Please do the same comparison for the Off vs the BWF as well. Thanks. |
Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 10/27/2015 at 11:45am
Still ticking, still an amazing blade. I look at other things and just feel that they would never be as complete a package. Life is good, but very boring too.
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Posted By: the_theologian
Date Posted: 10/27/2015 at 12:10pm
Once you try the Hayabusa Zi the clock will reset. ------------- Appelgren Allplay ST / Vega Europe max |
Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 10/27/2015 at 12:15pm
Nope, all done here. I'm hanging up my wallet.
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Posted By: Tuly007
Date Posted: 10/27/2015 at 9:17pm
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Cannot find in detail info about the Hayabusa zi , or did I missed it, ...anybody would like to enlighten us with????? The_theologian himself. Maybe. Tnx ------------- still testing |
Posted By: qualizon
Date Posted: 10/27/2015 at 9:57pm
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Now I wish they make a cpen version of it :( ------------- N656 TG3 Nat Blue/H360 http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=66012&PID=793739" rel="nofollow - Feedback http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=69193&PID=839189" rel="nofollow - For Sale |
Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 10/28/2015 at 6:53am
I can send you a hacksaw?
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Posted By: jackass22
Date Posted: 10/29/2015 at 5:16am
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Is it crest ar+ in feeling the same like crest off, only slower? How much slower is it? If dont compare speed, which blade is better (feeling, control in blocking, support of spin, throw of ball) ?
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Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 10/29/2015 at 5:52am
I haven't used the off version, so I can only guess. But like I said earlier, it's probably like the choice between an MJ and IF-ZLC. One's got the more woody feeling etc...
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Posted By: tom
Date Posted: 10/29/2015 at 10:07am
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Andy, Are the rubbers you are using on the AR+ medium or high on the weight scale and does it make your setup heavy given the blade has a large face. Does it hinder your game if the setup is heavy?
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Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 10/29/2015 at 10:31am
I'm still trying a few different combinations, but the weight is an issue. The blade face is on the large side, and it can be too much. I had H8/S3-60 on there a few weeks ago and it was 208g and head heavy. Which is fine if that's what someone is looking for, but I tend to find that I'm not comfortable above 200g in general. I find it tires me out over the course of a night. Recently I've had Omega V Asia (2.0mm) on the FH side and a variety of BH rubbers (JP03, Acuda P2, Zack) and the weight comes out as approx 195g, which is fine for me, and only slightly head heavy.
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Posted By: the_theologian
Date Posted: 10/29/2015 at 10:34am
I no longer believe my noobish impressions have much value. But, I think it's a very good blade. I switched to it after using IF ZLC for several months. Zi is OFF-. Very high quality. I got mine from tt11. Victor the cleaner is selling a mint one for cheap in the FS section. ------------- Appelgren Allplay ST / Vega Europe max |
Posted By: tom
Date Posted: 10/29/2015 at 10:57am
| "but I tend to find that I'm not comfortable above 200g in general" boy you've got strong arms - for me 190 is heavy |