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Topic: DHS D40+ to Be Released in April
Posted By: zeio
Subject: DHS D40+ to Be Released in April
Date Posted: 03/25/2016 at 1:34pm
Made of something other than cellulose acetate, DHS claims this new ball is probably the world's roundest.  It is said to be made with a different process and the material is bouncier.  One-star ball will reach the market first. Seamed.

http://www.ittf.com/ittf_equipment/Balls_details.asp?ID=7297&Colour=&Company=&ID=&Stamp_colour=&" rel="nofollow">


Update: Fixed link.

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Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare)
+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
= 184.8g



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Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 03/25/2016 at 5:08pm
My hope is that it's a Nittaku premium clone c


Posted By: zeio
Date Posted: 03/25/2016 at 5:40pm
Looking at the patent applications, I guess it is safe to assume that to be the case as injection molding is involved.

There are two specific patent applications, one on the injection molding, and one on the joining of the two half spheres.  The first one avoids any mention of the material(to dodge from Nittaku lawsuit?), whereas the second one mentions ultrasonic welding, which is exactly the same as the Nittaku's method.

DHS, you suck!  First you screwed up the seamless ball that was promised, then you backtracked to seamed but since you couldn't back out you came up with that cellulose acetate crap and now you outright plagiarize Nittaku?

Well, there is actually a third patent application, which was applied the earliest and with nearly the same title and content as the latter one on the injection molding.  It does mention the material, which is practically the same as cellulose acetate, but in the news it is clearly stated not the one used for the new ball.  Mamma mia!


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Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare)
+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
= 184.8g


Posted By: mts388
Date Posted: 03/25/2016 at 5:52pm
Originally posted by zeio zeio wrote:

Looking at the patent application, I guess it is safe to assume that to be case as injection molding is involved.


Right now I much prefer WD40 over DHS 40.


Posted By: The Canadian Bacon
Date Posted: 03/25/2016 at 7:15pm
*available April*


i wonder if it will be in play at the North America Olympic Qualifier in Markham, Ontario Canada come April 8th?

I guess i will find out on that day!

Tables: Double Fish Blue

Balls: Double Fish 40+ *** White

Floor: Tinsue Floor Blue

source:ITTF NA Oly Q prospectus


Posted By: zeio
Date Posted: 03/25/2016 at 7:20pm
No, as it says only 1-star balls will be available at first.

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Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare)
+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
= 184.8g


Posted By: The Canadian Bacon
Date Posted: 03/25/2016 at 7:25pm
Originally posted by zeio zeio wrote:

No, as it says only 1-star balls will be available at first.


well the Bty G40+ was made available for events first while not making it to market Wink


Posted By: igorponger
Date Posted: 03/25/2016 at 8:30pm


SURPLUS POSTING UNWANTED. EXPELLED.


Posted By: igorponger
Date Posted: 03/26/2016 at 2:45pm
NO MORE OF BOOSTING
OIL BOOSTING IS A NASTY FRAUDULENCE TO BE EXPELLED once and for all..
NIR SPECTROSCOPY CAN HELP OUT.

   
   You, friends, do appear getting over-enthusiastic over the new DHS plastic D40+.   DHS is quite different material from Nittaku"s, Diacetate Cellulose is a crude material, not the ABS.
"D" capital letter now seen in the marking is just an index for "Deodorized".
Plastic Ball quality and durability no problem any more, most balls now play wery well, just in line with all the T3 technical specifications..   Most players have now got well satisfied with the DHS competition balls.
I am so glad the sport chemistry doing so well to develope a better plastic formula never seen before.
     
       =====================

   Part 2.
GOING TO BE OF SPECIAL INTEREST FOR A READER VERSED OF ELEMENTARY SPECTROSCOPY.

PROBLEM NO. 1. STILL UNSOLVED.

Regretfully, we have now got an Army of players to abuse the illegal chemical liquids proliferated into the sport all over..
Those overwhelming raise of Oil Boost illegalities is now getting a real hazard upon our sport, some black plague to corrupt our sport throughout.

SCiO in action


SCIO spectrometer can instantly revial all the hidden oily compounds incorporated into the sponge, other than those having got polymerized.   A special mobile application has to be written using the SCiO Developer Kit, web-based builder, programming guidance for the spectrometry works.   

PRELIMINARY WORKS: All the liquid materials (oil compounds, hydrocarbones, etc.) known to be used as a booster have to be scanned manually so as to make up a reference Spectrum Library comprehensive.
       
     = = = = = = = = = = = =
So exciting spectroscopy applications forthcoming, so awarding efforts for the good of our sport.   BOOSTING? NEVER MORE.

DEDICATION.
Players of real honour, Timo Boll and Mizutaney Jun, my dear playmates, let me dedicate this anti-boost inquisitons to both of you in person. Honesty is the best policy. Better safe than sorry. Yes.


Posted By: bbkon
Date Posted: 03/26/2016 at 5:49pm
Originally posted by igorponger igorponger wrote:

NO MORE OF BOOSTING
OIL BOOSTING IS A NASTY FRAUDULENCE TO BE EXPELLED once and for all..
NIR SPECTROSCOPY CAN HELP OUT.

   
   You, friends, do appear getting over-enthusiastic over the new DHS plastic D40+.   DHS is quite different material from Nittaku"s, Diacetate Cellulose is a crude material, not the ABS.
"D" capital letter now seen in the marking is just an index for "Deodorized".
Plastic Ball quality and durability no problem any more, most balls now play wery well, just in line with all the T3 technical specifications..   Most players have now got well satisfied with the DHS competition balls.
I am so glad the sport chemistry doing so well to develope a better plastic formula never seen before.
     
       =====================

   Part 2.
GOING TO BE OF SPECIAL INTEREST FOR A READER VERSED OF ELEMENTARY SPECTROSCOPY.

PROBLEM NO. 1. STILL UNSOLVED.

Regretfully, we have now got an Army of players to abuse the illegal chemical liquids proliferated into the sport all over..
Those overwhelming raise of Oil Boost illegalities is now getting a real hazard upon our sport, some black plague to corrupt our sport throughout.

SCiO in action


SCIO spectrometer can instantly revial all the hidden oily compounds incorporated into the sponge, other than those having got polymerized.   A special mobile application has to be written using the SCiO Developer Kit, web-based builder, programming guidance for the spectrometry works.   

PRELIMINARY WORKS: All the liquid materials (oil compounds, hydrocarbones, etc.) known to be used as a booster have to be scanned manually so as to make up a reference Spectrum Library comprehensive.
       
     = = = = = = = = = = = =
So exciting spectroscopy applications forthcoming, so awarding efforts for the good of our sport.   BOOSTING? NEVER MORE.

DEDICATION.
Players of real honour, Timo Boll and Mizutaney Jun, my dear playmates, let me dedicate this anti-boost inquisitons to both of you in person. Honesty is the best policy. Better safe than sorry. Yes.



Then russian table tennis must shutdown, russian players must start a career in hockey or chess


Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 03/28/2016 at 12:00pm
Igor

No need to post the same mostly off-topic stuff (about boosting) twice (in a thread on balls).

Also, you might want to go read a bit more on analytical chemistry before getting too excited.


Posted By: chronos
Date Posted: 03/28/2016 at 12:15pm
This page tried to serve me flash content - malware?


Posted By: zeio
Date Posted: 03/28/2016 at 5:28pm
Woohoo!  From my own research, Nittaku has loaned a large sum of money from the bank to fund the research of the new ball and patented the technology in an attempt to safeguard the investment, only to teach China how to make a ball.

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Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare)
+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
= 184.8g


Posted By: Kolev
Date Posted: 03/28/2016 at 6:55pm
Originally posted by chronos chronos wrote:

This page tried to serve me flash content - malware?

+1

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BH: Omega 7 Pro


Posted By: PointEngineer
Date Posted: 03/31/2016 at 12:59pm
Rounder than Nittaku Premium 40+...I have only found these so far to always be 100% perfectly round so far (perhaps just lucky).  I would not be able to notice any rounder!  XSF and other seamed ones are often far from round. I get at best approx 50% round enough XSFs for example.


Posted By: Victor_the_cleaner
Date Posted: 03/31/2016 at 2:00pm
NP40 and G40 are both perfectly round. I abandoned XSF and i regret buying so many of them. The are often not round and the simply do not fly well as the other two balls. They dissipate energy too quickly and lose spin and speed and the trajectory is not as stable. 

I want to confirm the findings of someone else who posted pictures here: the G40 WILL get a dent if you hit an edge. The ball is still perfectly playable, but if it bounces exactly on the dent, the bounce will be funny. I have now too many balls that are not that old but have dents and I don't want to use them in good matches. I don't want to throw them either, so I use them in matches where i don't care. A NEW G40 is just pure pleasure to play with, sound does not bother me at all.

But NP40 does not have the dent problem and sound is classic and i don't get every single fool who passes by my table tell me my ball is broken. 


Posted By: zeio
Date Posted: 03/31/2016 at 2:23pm
A year ago Nittaku uploaded two videos showing the world their balls are the closest to celluloid balls.

Comparison 1: Nittaku Plastic vs Nittaku Celluloid
Comparison 2: Company A Plastic vs Nittaku Celluloid
Comparison 3: Company A Plastic vs Nittaku Plastic




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Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare)
+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
= 184.8g


Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 03/31/2016 at 3:08pm
Originally posted by Victor_the_cleaner Victor_the_cleaner wrote:

NP40 and G40 are both perfectly round. I abandoned XSF and i regret buying so many of them. The are often not round and the simply do not fly well as the other two balls. They dissipate energy too quickly and lose spin and speed and the trajectory is not as stable. 

I want to confirm the findings of someone else who posted pictures here: the G40 WILL get a dent if you hit an edge. The ball is still perfectly playable, but if it bounces exactly on the dent, the bounce will be funny. I have now too many balls that are not that old but have dents and I don't want to use them in good matches. I don't want to throw them either, so I use them in matches where i don't care. A NEW G40 is just pure pleasure to play with, sound does not bother me at all.

But NP40 does not have the dent problem and sound is classic and i don't get every single fool who passes by my table tell me my ball is broken. 


I agree with pretty much all of this, especially with some XSF I have gotten more recently.  These days I use XSF only for multiballs.  The only thing I would add is that I find G40 to be harder to play with once they age a bit and get even shinier and smoother.

I absolutely prefer NP40 much more than other balls.  So if DHS has found a way to clone it, I am happy.


Posted By: Hans Regenkurt
Date Posted: 05/24/2016 at 4:52pm
Anyone has some news about this? I am curios to try it out myself but in spite of the promises I have not heard that they are selling it already.


Posted By: zeio
Date Posted: 05/24/2016 at 5:30pm
Nothing, absolutely nothing.  Nittaku suing the ass out of DHS, perhaps?

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Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare)
+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
= 184.8g


Posted By: wturber
Date Posted: 05/24/2016 at 5:57pm
Originally posted by zeio zeio wrote:

A year ago Nittaku uploaded two videos showing the world their balls are the closest to celluloid balls.

Comparison 1: Nittaku Plastic vs Nittaku Celluloid
Comparison 2: Company A Plastic vs Nittaku Celluloid
Comparison 3: Company A Plastic vs Nittaku Plastic



At about the same time I did a fair bit of testing that confirmed that the NP40+ bounce on a static drop test is the same as for celluloid balls.

http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=70591&PID=860035&title=questions-about-the-new-40-balls#860035" rel="nofollow - http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=70591&PID=860035&title=questions-about-the-new-40-balls#860035


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Jay Turberville
www.jayandwanda.com
Hardbat: Gambler Zebra Classic w/ Dr. Evil


Posted By: roundrobin
Date Posted: 05/24/2016 at 6:34pm
Actually this test is quite misleading, as the NP40+ is heavier it should bounce more, not less than regular NP40 to be equal.  In play I find the NP40+ less dynamic, as it takes more effort to produce the same speed and trajectory than the regular NP40.





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Current Club: Los Angeles Table Tennis Association.
My Setup: Yinhe Q1 / T64 2.1 black / Saviga V 0.5mm red



Posted By: wturber
Date Posted: 05/24/2016 at 6:55pm
Originally posted by roundrobin roundrobin wrote:

Actually this test is quite misleading, as the NP40+ is heavier it should bounce more, not less than regular NP40 to be equal.  In play I find the NP40+ less dynamic, as it takes more effort to produce the same speed and trajectory than the regular NP40.


I think that may be more of an aerodynamics issue than a weight issue.  But yes, I prefer the dynamic characteristics of the seamless ball over the NP40+ because its higher bounce compensates for the slower ball flight.  I also think it feels more like celluloid on a hardbat.  

That said, the NP40+ is consistently rounder and I think it is a tad smaller.  And it does feel "dead" to me. I have to work really hard to play an aggressive hardbat game with the NP40+ - that or use a faster blade/rubber combo.


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Jay Turberville
www.jayandwanda.com
Hardbat: Gambler Zebra Classic w/ Dr. Evil


Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 05/24/2016 at 9:31pm
Originally posted by zeio zeio wrote:

Nothing, absolutely nothing.  Nittaku suing the ass out of DHS, perhaps?


One wonders.


Posted By: smackman
Date Posted: 05/24/2016 at 11:50pm
Even if made foe sale now it could be several months before they will show up as distributors will need to sell old stock first

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NZ table tennis selector, third in the World (plate Doubles)I'm Listed on the ITTF website,


Posted By: zeio
Date Posted: 05/25/2016 at 1:55am
http://toutiao.com/i6273047447165993473/" rel="nofollow - Pictures were released on a news site but nothing on the streets.

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Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare)
+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
= 184.8g


Posted By: Hans Regenkurt
Date Posted: 05/25/2016 at 9:37am
I hope they put it out soon. I am starting to get used to plastic now that I have spent the last four sessions or so with it. Actually, I sometimes dislike celluloid now though it sounds pervy to say that.

However, I had the opportunity to hit with NP40 and it was the least enjoyable of all to me. It feels dead indeed and when I am away from the table and try to lob a smash back it will just fall of my rubber and this is something that none of the other plastic balls do.

So it would be helpful to see if the new DHS will be similar to the NP40 and if so, I will think about using XSF.


Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 05/25/2016 at 10:21am
Originally posted by Hans Regenkurt Hans Regenkurt wrote:

I hope they put it out soon. I am starting to get used to plastic now that I have spent the last four sessions or so with it. Actually, I sometimes dislike celluloid now though it sounds pervy to say that.

However, I had the opportunity to hit with NP40 and it was the least enjoyable of all to me. It feels dead indeed and when I am away from the table and try to lob a smash back it will just fall of my rubber and this is something that none of the other plastic balls do.

So it would be helpful to see if the new DHS will be similar to the NP40 and if so, I will think about using XSF.


I also tend to prefer plastic now, as long as it is XSF or NP40+.  Most people like the NP40, though.  Give it another try.   A lot of table tennis is getting accustomed to something. 


Posted By: The Canadian Bacon
Date Posted: 05/25/2016 at 3:05pm
being used in The Croatian Open


Posted By: berndt_mann
Date Posted: 05/25/2016 at 3:56pm
(Baal)  A lot of table tennis is getting accustomed to something.

This is self-evident, but it nevertheless bears repeating  So let's repeat it:  "a lot of table tennis is getting accustomed to something."

First, you gotta get accustomed to the rig you use (that is, blade and rubber(s) combination).  Then you gotta get accustomed to the booster you choose.  Then you gotta get used to that awful feeling once your rubber bottoms out.  Then, if you can't get used to all of this, you are going to have to get used to another blade and rubber and booster combination.  And then you gotta get accustomed to the blade and rubber(s) and possibly booster combination your opponent du jour uses, which may change for the same reason your choice of blade and rubber(s) and booster changes.

The same applies to you Dark Siders.  If your long pips or anti- aren't working right, you're going to have to go to another brand of hopefully more effective long pips or anti-.  Too much of this, whether you're a Dark Sider or a Looping Fool, is referred to in table tennis parlance as EJing.

In addition, there is the 40+ mm. ball, which may very from club to club and tournament to tournament, is manufactured by a myriad of manufacturers (for example Nittaku, Butterfly, Double Happiness, Double Fish, Joola, etc., etc., et-friggin'-c.) and which can vary considerably in roundability, bounceability, playability, spinability, and counterspinability.

And if that were not enough, you're going to have to become accustomed to any new changes the ITTF chooses to make to the sport, such as raising the net, putting more composite stuff in rackets, allowing all composite rackets (hell other racket sports have used 'em for years), and either simplifying the service rules so that a reasonably intelligent three-year-old can understand them or further complicating them so that even a rocket scientist hasn't the foggiest idea how to interpret them.

Good luck, gang.  You've chosen to play one of the craziest sports incompetence married to lackadaisicality has yet to come up with.   Relax if you can, but remember this elevator doesn't stop at all floors.






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Setup: Mark Bellamy Master Craftsman blade, British Leyland hard rubber


Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 05/25/2016 at 6:32pm
Berndt, you constantly find new ways to say the same pretty much trivial thing. 

Over and over and over and over and over and over and over............ again.


Posted By: berndt_mann
Date Posted: 05/25/2016 at 7:59pm
Originally posted by Baal Baal wrote:

Berndt, you constantly find new ways to say the same pretty much trivial thing. 

Over and over and over and over and over and over and over............ again.

And it took you two hours and thirty-six minutes just to tell me that?Big smile


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bmann1942
Setup: Mark Bellamy Master Craftsman blade, British Leyland hard rubber


Posted By: berndt_mann
Date Posted: 05/25/2016 at 11:10pm


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bmann1942
Setup: Mark Bellamy Master Craftsman blade, British Leyland hard rubber


Posted By: zeio
Date Posted: 06/01/2016 at 9:43pm
http://www.wtoutiao.com/p/174UKGK.html" rel="nofollow - relatively in-depth review has been released by a member of the Chinese forum pingpang.info.

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Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare)
+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
= 184.8g


Posted By: haggisv
Date Posted: 06/01/2016 at 10:18pm
Is that a review of the 1* D40+ ball, as picture in that review?


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Posted By: zeio
Date Posted: 06/01/2016 at 10:21pm
Yes.  The one star D40+.

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Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare)
+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
= 184.8g


Posted By: The Canadian Bacon
Date Posted: 06/01/2016 at 11:19pm
being used in the Slovenia open.


Posted By: cole_ely
Date Posted: 06/02/2016 at 9:02am
I got a box of dhs regular plastic from PP when I got some nittaku, and man are they ever horrible.  It's like a different, softer kind of plastic.  They feel like gnip-gnop balls.

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Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 06/02/2016 at 9:13am
Yes, their usual plastic balls are appallingly bad.  Hopefully given the fact that ITTF uses their balls for some unfathomable reason the D40+ will be better.  I am not entirely optimistic.


Posted By: jackass22
Date Posted: 06/03/2016 at 7:17am
Seamed balls are the past. I cant see the reason, why they still produce seemed balls.
Future is seamless (einfach is genial, genial is einfach:)). 
Dhs 40+ are for player the worst choice. (too light, without spin, bad quality, horrible feeling).

Welcome future :Hanno, Xushaofa!!!


Posted By: wturber
Date Posted: 06/03/2016 at 12:04pm
Originally posted by jackass22 jackass22 wrote:

Seamed balls are the past. I cant see the reason, why they still produce seemed balls.
Future is seamless (einfach is genial, genial is einfach:)). 
Dhs 40+ are for player the worst choice. (too light, without spin, bad quality, horrible feeling).

Welcome future :Hanno, Xushaofa!!!

The current situation does not support that assertion.  The new designed seamed balls from Nittaku have been generally smaller and more uniform in how they play than the seamless balls.  Both technologies show strong promise for the future.

The old-style system borrowed from celluloid ball manufacturing does seem (seam?) to be a dead end.


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www.jayandwanda.com
Hardbat: Gambler Zebra Classic w/ Dr. Evil


Posted By: The Canadian Bacon
Date Posted: 06/03/2016 at 12:51pm
it doesn't matter...seamed or seamless...prices are going up...stock up


Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 06/03/2016 at 9:56pm
It's way past April now, and nothing.  Tick tock tick tock....


Posted By: The Canadian Bacon
Date Posted: 08/04/2016 at 11:37pm


Posted By: zeio
Date Posted: 08/04/2016 at 11:50pm
Last time I checked there were still no 3-star D40+ balls. Only 2- and 1-star.

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Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare)
+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
= 184.8g


Posted By: Mickael
Date Posted: 11/25/2016 at 5:03pm
Is there any D40+ yet?

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Viscaria FL
Tenergy 05 Hard Max FH
Tenergy 64 Max BH


Posted By: igorponger
Date Posted: 11/25/2016 at 6:12pm
Kingnik Premium 3 stars, seamless. manually selected.
Best ball price effective. Some 0.8$ per one.


Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 11/25/2016 at 6:20pm
On the D40+ I can't find anything recent.

Saw this:  https://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/equipment/balls/12659-d40

But nothing beyond that, and we are seven months past April. 

At a point people may recall that Nittaku had trouble meeting the demand for their new balls, but solved that.  Assuming these D40+ are using similar technology, it may be they are having some problems getting the production going.  I am just guessing.


Posted By: igorponger
Date Posted: 11/25/2016 at 7:18pm


       DOUBLE POSTING. ERASED.


Posted By: igorponger
Date Posted: 11/25/2016 at 8:24pm
KINGNIK OVERTAKES NITTAKU IN QUALITY.

" rel="nofollow - productshowimg/60424464761-
802356814/New_coming_KINGNIK_
super_training_40_plastic_table_
tennis_ball_ABS_material_.html - http://minkow.en.alibaba.com/
productshowimg/60424464761-
802356814/New_coming_KINGNIK_
super_training_40_plastic_table_
tennis_ball_ABS_material_.html

   Do not pass by those new product by Minkow manufacturer.
Kingnik newest ball made of ABS plastic, just the same material as now used by Nittaku Premium 40+
balls. The price reduced as much as
three times as against to the Japan-
made product.
Best price on the market. This Kingnik product is now made by using ABS plastic material, exactly identical to the Nittaku Premium balls.   This KINGNIK seemingly emulates Nittaku playing performance, I believe so.



Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 11/25/2016 at 8:37pm
Igor, your link just comes back to this page.  Can you post a link to the Minkow ball that resembles Nittaku?

I have tried to find it on their website.  The only ABS ball they mention are 1* and 2* training ball, and based on the specifications that they provide, it certainly is not in the same league as a 3* Nittaku Premium (which is why they are not 3* and not ITTF approved).  Maybe their 3* version will come out later. 

http://minkow.en.alibaba.com/productgrouplist-802356814/New_coming_40_plastic_balls.html" rel="nofollow - http://minkow.en.alibaba.com/productgrouplist-802356814/New_coming_40_plastic_balls.html

http://www.minkow.com.cn/Table-tennis-series" rel="nofollow - http://www.minkow.com.cn/Table-tennis-series

They also make seamless balls under Kingnik label, ITTF approved, made from something they call PU plastic.  I have not used those specifically, but I normally like seamless balls. 

It would be good if there were other balls out there that were more or less like the Nittaku Premium, and I keep hoping the new DHS D40+ balls will be like that, but for now, there is no news on that.


Posted By: zeio
Date Posted: 11/26/2016 at 12:27am
D40+ is still available in 1- and 2-star only. It's available in China and Hong Kong.

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Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare)
+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
= 184.8g


Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 11/26/2016 at 5:21am
Originally posted by zeio zeio wrote:

D40+ is still available in 1- and 2-star only. It's available in China and Hong Kong.

TT11 have the 1* in stock too.


Posted By: TurboZ
Date Posted: 11/26/2016 at 10:01am
I miss the chance to buy the 2 star D40+ balls that briefly sell on TT11. Don't know why it is so difficult to get and can't be found from any taobao stores. Looks like it is for HK and TT11 only. I like their 1 star D40+ a lot because it is very close in bounce to NP40+ and durable enough for training. Hope they can give us 3 star D40+ very soon and stop making those dreadful DHS 40+ which breaks like cracking eggs within minutes of play. Really can't afford to play with them any more. Dead

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Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 11/26/2016 at 10:09am
I haven't tried their D40+ balls yet but sounds promising.


Posted By: igorponger
Date Posted: 11/26/2016 at 12:25pm
TAKE A LOOK AT THE BOX LETTERINGS.

If you wish for really durable DHS 40+, you ought to use the later product , past Juley 2015 production date.

Juley 2015 is when DHS changed to the improved plastic formula, harder and durable plastic.

date codes XG AE. = 07 15


Posted By: TurboZ
Date Posted: 11/26/2016 at 7:43pm
I just bought some new packs with code XEAF. It has the date of "Official Ball of World Games" extended from 2016 to 2020 printed on the box, yet it still break within the first 10 minutes of play without much hard hitting. Personally I will not buy any more DHS balls until they give me D40+. 

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Posted By: TurboZ
Date Posted: 11/26/2016 at 8:04pm
Originally posted by Baal Baal wrote:

I haven't tried their D40+ balls yet but sounds promising.

Those D40+ 1 star balls are dirt cheap from taobao yet the quality is pretty high for the price. Cost only 18 RMB (about $2.60) for a box of 10. I am surprised to see that they have it priced much lower than the normal DHS 1 star. I hope that is still true when they give us 3 star D40+. 


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Posted By: skip3119
Date Posted: 11/26/2016 at 11:24pm
Originally posted by TurboZ TurboZ wrote:

Those D40+ 1 star balls are dirt cheap from taobao yet the quality is pretty high for the price. Cost only 18 RMB (about $2.60) for a box of 10. I am surprised to see that they have it priced much lower than the normal DHS 1 star. I hope that is still true when they give us 3 star D40+. 
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Posted By: TurboZ
Date Posted: 11/26/2016 at 11:59pm
Originally posted by skip3119 skip3119 wrote:

Originally posted by TurboZ TurboZ wrote:

Those D40+ 1 star balls are dirt cheap from taobao yet the quality is pretty high for the price. Cost only 18 RMB (about $2.60) for a box of 10. I am surprised to see that they have it priced much lower than the normal DHS 1 star. I hope that is still true when they give us 3 star D40+. 
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Has anybody bought things from taobao ?
If you have, please let us know your experience.     
 

I bought from taobao through buying agents a lot and they are quite reliable and fast. Basically you tell them what you want and pay the cost by paypal. They will buy and collect for you. You can build up all you want and when you feel it is enough, you can tell them to pack and they will tell you the total weight and shipping cost. They will use fast shipping with tracking (eg. EMS) so cost could be quite high. Bear in mind that not all agents are equal. Some charge a lot for handling and shipping cost varies too so it is best to check before you start. Otherwise you will be surprised by the final cost when everything build up. 

I think these days you can buy direct from taobao and ship oversea but I am comfortable buying through agents so I have kept doing it the old way.  


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Posted By: Egghead
Date Posted: 11/27/2016 at 12:21am
Originally posted by TurboZ TurboZ wrote:

Originally posted by skip3119 skip3119 wrote:

Originally posted by TurboZ TurboZ wrote:

Those D40+ 1 star balls are dirt cheap from taobao yet the quality is pretty high for the price. Cost only 18 RMB (about $2.60) for a box of 10. I am surprised to see that they have it priced much lower than the normal DHS 1 star. I hope that is still true when they give us 3 star D40+. 
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Has anybody bought things from taobao ?
If you have, please let us know your experience.     
 

I bought from taobao through buying agents a lot and they are quite reliable and fast. Basically you tell them what you want and pay the cost by paypal. They will buy and collect for you. You can build up all you want and when you feel it is enough, you can tell them to pack and they will tell you the total weight and shipping cost. They will use fast shipping with tracking (eg. EMS) so cost could be quite high. Bear in mind that not all agents are equal. Some charge a lot for handling and shipping cost varies too so it is best to check before you start. Otherwise you will be surprised by the final cost when everything build up. 

I think these days you can buy direct from taobao and ship oversea but I am comfortable buying through agents so I have kept doing it the old way.  
Ya, you can buy items directly from taobao now and save at least 40%. You just did the buying agent job. However, it is not like a walk in the park. Anyway, if you buy few boxes from taobao, you may get some "subpar quality" balls.


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Posted By: wturber
Date Posted: 11/27/2016 at 12:30am
Originally posted by igorponger igorponger wrote:

KINGNIK OVERTAKES NITTAKU IN QUALITY.
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tennis_ball_ABS_material_.html

   Do not pass by those new product by Minkow manufacturer.
Kingnik newest ball made of ABS plastic, just the same material as now used by Nittaku Premium 40+
balls. The price reduced as much as
three times as against to the Japan-
made product.
Best price on the market. This Kingnik product is now made by using ABS plastic material, exactly identical to the Nittaku Premium balls.   This KINGNIK seemingly emulates Nittaku playing performance, I believe so.



I don't consider Nittaku's advantage to be in their material.  I think their advantage is that the two halves can be formed with very uniform wall thicknesses because molds can be used on the inside and outside of the ball.  When combined with their very uniform sonic welded seam that is almost the same thickness, you end up with a ball that is consistently well balanced with a bounce on the seam that isn't much difference than non-seam bounces.  It also seems that Nittaku is able to make the ball slightly smaller - possibly due to a more precise molding process.

IMO, the material is the least attractive part of the Nittaku ball.   I'd rather see Nittaku make a ball using their seam technology but with the same material used in the seamless balls.  That said, I can imagine how an inexpensive ball that bounces similarly to the Nittaku could be a market success.  But I'm betting that it won't be as uniform as the Nittaku or as small if it is seamless.


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Posted By: Mickael
Date Posted: 11/27/2016 at 5:01am
I think ittf with its new president and board should ban any other balls then nittaku 40+ premium and butterfly g40+ and maybe this D40+. All other balls have lower bounce and wooby!!!
about the price i think we pay much more for xushaofa and its variation for a dozen to end up playing only with 3 good balls that last.

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Tenergy 05 Hard Max FH
Tenergy 64 Max BH


Posted By: igorponger
Date Posted: 11/27/2016 at 11:05am
Friends

To be all honest, you talk so much about nothing, you fuss so much about this D40+ without good reason. The ball still unavailable, and nobody know if the ball really offer any virtue.

LETS BE MORE REALISTIC in making your choice.
Kingnik Premium 40+ is a superior ball, all durable and round, right now available from many vendors at most agreeable price. The ball to please most of club players.


Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 11/27/2016 at 11:19am
Funny Igor, even though the ITTF approved D40+ ball is still not available, and nobody has played with one, and it is not listed on the Minkow site, you CLAIMED it was better than a Nittaku Premium.  In other words you made up a review about a ball that doesn't exist (and the 1* and 2* balls do not meet ITTF standards yet which is why they are not 3*).  Not great for credibility.  Also your previous claim that DHS 40+ balls made after July 2015 would be the best ever, not true either.  I bought a few boxes based solely on the things your wrote.  They are still fragile, still low bounce, still many not round, which even DHS knows or they would not be pursuing the new ball material.  I think they had better durability but were still bad, especially for the price.

As for the Kingnik, I have not played with it, but I would certainly expect that it is fine because I have played with many different types of 3* seamless and they are all perfectly ok.  They do please most club players, and if seamless was the official ITTF standard, there would be relatively little complaining.

The problem is that DHS supplies the 40+ balls for many other labels, and they are used in leagues and tournaments were members don't have a choice.  So, once DHS is able to get their D40+ balls in production, assuming they play more like Nittaku Premium, there will be more uniformity.  That would be good.


Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 11/27/2016 at 11:25am
Originally posted by Mickael Mickael wrote:

I think ittf with its new president and board should ban any other balls then nittaku 40+ premium and butterfly g40+ and maybe this D40+. All other balls have lower bounce and wooby!!!
about the price i think we pay much more for xushaofa and its variation for a dozen to end up playing only with 3 good balls that last.


You are about the only person I have seen here who would say that about XSF and other seamless balls.  They demonstrably have the highest bounce of any balls, they actually bounce higher than celluloids.  Not everybody will like them, but not because of low bounce! And some brands of seamless are perfectly round, for example Xiom and Yinhe. 

I like the Nittaku Premium best also, they are clearly closest to celluloid.  We have not seen the D40+ yet.  I personally am not a big fan of the G40.  Very slick surface of the ball.


Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 11/27/2016 at 11:28am
Originally posted by wturber wturber wrote:



I don't consider Nittaku's advantage to be in their material.  I think their advantage is that the two halves can be formed with very uniform wall thicknesses because molds can be used on the inside and outside of the ball.  When combined with their very uniform sonic welded seam that is almost the same thickness, you end up with a ball that is consistently well balanced with a bounce on the seam that isn't much difference than non-seam bounces.  It also seems that Nittaku is able to make the ball slightly smaller - possibly due to a more precise molding process.

IMO, the material is the least attractive part of the Nittaku ball.   I'd rather see Nittaku make a ball using their seam technology but with the same material used in the seamless balls.  That said, I can imagine how an inexpensive ball that bounces similarly to the Nittaku could be a market success.  But I'm betting that it won't be as uniform as the Nittaku or as small if it is seamless.


Interesting view point.  What is it about the material you don't like?  I am guessing the material is what gives the Nittaku the bounce we like, and the other technology gives it its roundness.  Am I wrong about that?


Posted By: wturber
Date Posted: 11/27/2016 at 2:47pm
Originally posted by Baal Baal wrote:



Interesting view point.  What is it about the material you don't like?  I am guessing the material is what gives the Nittaku the bounce we like, and the other technology gives it its roundness.  Am I wrong about that?

Well, I don't really like the bounce that much.  On the one hand it mimics celluloid in its static bounce height which seems like a good thing.  OTOH, it feels quite different on a hardbat.  So I'm not convinced that its "dynamic" bounce necessarily mimics celluloid.  This is seems insignificant to the majority of players who use sponge coverings.  But it seems that most OX players notice the difference.  I've also had a few sponge players complain that the Nittaku ball sometimes slips on their rubber surface.  And finally, I break the NP40+ ball much more frequently than I do the seamless balls.  That may be material or it may be an artifact of the seam and construction.

So net-net, I don't see the material as the ball's strong point, though it is certainly an OK material.



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Posted By: wturber
Date Posted: 11/27/2016 at 2:52pm
Originally posted by Baal Baal wrote:


As for the Kingnik, I have not played with it, but I would certainly expect that it is fine because I have played with many different types of 3* seamless and they are all perfectly ok.  They do please most club players, and if seamless was the official ITTF standard, there would be relatively little complaining.


In the Phoenix area, the seamless ball is clearly the favorite.  I've been using the NP40+ in tournaments all or most of 2016, and the average player has not switched.  It seems like only a few players in the 1800+ range care to go the the trouble to buy and used the NP40+ ball.  And I think they do that mostly so they can prepare for local tournaments.  I think I may have to run a survey and see if players care which balls we use for tournaments.



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Hardbat: Gambler Zebra Classic w/ Dr. Evil


Posted By: igorponger
Date Posted: 11/27/2016 at 2:55pm
Perhaps this is the person who knows pretty well of the D40+ actual performance, able to answer your most questions.

http://ooakforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=327416#p327416" rel="nofollow - http://ooakforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=327416#p327416


Posted By: wturber
Date Posted: 11/27/2016 at 3:00pm
Originally posted by Mickael Mickael wrote:

I think ittf with its new president and board should ban any other balls then nittaku 40+ premium and butterfly g40+ and maybe this D40+. All other balls have lower bounce and wooby!!!
about the price i think we pay much more for xushaofa and its variation for a dozen to end up playing only with 3 good balls that last.

The XSF and other seamless balls have a higher bounce, not lower.  I do agree that they tend to have more balance issues than the Nittaku Premium 40+ though.  Can't say much for the G40+ because I've never played with one.  But given that the ITTF actually used DHS 40+ seamed ball in the Olympics, it would be the height of hypocrisy if they were to ban the far better seamless balls.  OTOH, doing so would seem to fit their pattern of behavior.



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www.jayandwanda.com
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Posted By: igorponger
Date Posted: 11/27/2016 at 3:42pm
IS DHS BALL MONOPOLY GETTING NEAR END?

Agreement of cooperation that ITTF made with DHS scheduled for 2012 2016.. By which, ITTF had undertook longterm obligation to only use DHS balls for major events.
It has expired by now, immediately from after Rio Olympics.

So, can we expect some seamless ball to be now adopted for major ITTF events, eg. Kingnik or Tibhar seamless?



Posted By: Mickael
Date Posted: 11/27/2016 at 5:03pm
Originally posted by Baal Baal wrote:

Originally posted by Mickael Mickael wrote:

I think ittf with its new president and board should ban any other balls then nittaku 40+ premium and butterfly g40+ and maybe this D40+. All other balls have lower bounce and wooby!!!
about the price i think we pay much more for xushaofa and its variation for a dozen to end up playing only with 3 good balls that last.


You are about the only person I have seen here who would say that about XSF and other seamless balls.  They demonstrably have the highest bounce of any balls, they actually bounce higher than celluloids.  Not everybody will like them, but not because of low bounce! And some brands of seamless are perfectly round, for example Xiom and Yinhe. 

I like the Nittaku Premium best also, they are clearly closest to celluloid.  We have not seen the D40+ yet.  I personally am not a big fan of the G40.  Very slick surface of the ball.

Xsf and its variation ( same factory) tibhar xiom.... bounce is ok but they are wooby and little spin characteristics.
Old balls and nittaku premium and G40+ meet same characteristics in roundness bounce and spin. So all the others should be labeled 2 stars till they meet EXACTLY THESE CHARACTERISTICS. That what i think. 2 years is more than enough. Action should be taken now.

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Tenergy 05 Hard Max FH
Tenergy 64 Max BH


Posted By: wturber
Date Posted: 11/27/2016 at 5:16pm
Originally posted by Mickael Mickael wrote:

 
Xsf and its variation ( same factory) tibhar xiom.... bounce is ok but they are wooby and little spin characteristics.
Old balls and nittaku premium and G40+ meet same characteristics in roundness bounce and spin. So all the others should be labeled 2 stars till they meet EXACTLY THESE CHARACTERISTICS. That what i think. 2 years is more than enough. Action should be taken now.

The ITTF will first have to quantify "wobbly" and "spin characteristics".  That is what I think.


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Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 11/27/2016 at 7:59pm
Originally posted by igorponger igorponger wrote:

Perhaps this is the person who knows pretty well of the D40+ actual performance, able to answer your most questions.

http://ooakforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=327416#p327416" rel="nofollow - http://ooakforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=327416#p327416


Yes, the performance of the 1* and 2* ones is encouraging.  But I repeat again, they are not ITTF approved for a reason, and the 3* version does not yet exist.


Posted By: TurboZ
Date Posted: 11/28/2016 at 8:56am
Originally posted by igorponger igorponger wrote:

IS DHS BALL MONOPOLY GETTING NEAR END?

Agreement of cooperation that ITTF made with DHS scheduled for 2012 2016.. By which, ITTF had undertook longterm obligation to only use DHS balls for major events.
It has expired by now, immediately from after Rio Olympics.

So, can we expect some seamless ball to be now adopted for major ITTF events, eg. Kingnik or Tibhar seamless?

Don't know if it is official but looks like they have the date extended for another 4 years to 2020. Hope they will at least replace it with D40+ in the near future if it has to be DHS. 



 


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Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 11/28/2016 at 9:13am
ITTF does not care about players. TurboZ just provided the proof.


Posted By: TurboZ
Date Posted: 11/28/2016 at 9:51am
Looks like ittf had already approved the D40+ 3 stars. DHS even have the box prepared. May be they just want the market to consume all the existing 40+ before giving us the new ball. Anyway TT11 is having 50% discount on their DHS 40+ 3 stars at the moment. Is that a sign of the coming of D40+? I hope so. 




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Posted By: zeio
Date Posted: 11/28/2016 at 3:03pm
Well, ball supplier for WTTC 2017 will be Nittaku. Table sponsor will be DHS, though.




From left to right: DHS President 楼世和(Lou Shihe), ITTF President Thomas Weihert, Nittaku International Department Chief 高林 博光(Hiromitsu Takabayashi)

Source: http://www.nittaku.com/topics/detail.php?id=697" rel="nofollow - http://www.nittaku.com/topics/detail.php?id=697

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Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare)
+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
= 184.8g


Posted By: Mickael
Date Posted: 11/28/2016 at 4:18pm
Mmm it is obvious they know which is better. My second thought is that companies like stiga , joola , donic. .. all these dhs clones stop ordering until they fix their balls or just go to butterfly or nittaku to produce their products. Just an idea!

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Tenergy 05 Hard Max FH
Tenergy 64 Max BH


Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 11/28/2016 at 4:25pm
Originally posted by Mickael Mickael wrote:

Mmm it is obvious they know which is better. My second thought is that companies like stiga , joola , donic. .. all these dhs clones stop ordering until they fix their balls or just go to butterfly or nittaku to produce their products. Just an idea!


Yes.  Wish they had done this already, actually.  Several of these companies now sell a seamless version, which I suspect reflects their unhappiness with the DHS ball.


Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 11/28/2016 at 4:27pm
Originally posted by zeio zeio wrote:

Well, ball supplier for WTTC 2017 will be Nittaku. Table sponsor will be DHS, though.




Source: http://www.nittaku.com/topics/detail.php?id=697" rel="nofollow - http://www.nittaku.com/topics/detail.php?id=697


Well, I feel a little less upset with ITTF with that news.  Of course maybe Nittaku just paid a larger bribe.  But I am going to try to make myself believe it is because their ball is better.


Posted By: zeio
Date Posted: 11/28/2016 at 4:53pm
Originally posted by Mickael Mickael wrote:

Mmm it is obvious they know which is better. My second thought is that companies like stiga , joola , donic. .. all these dhs clones stop ordering until they fix their balls or just go to butterfly or nittaku to produce their products. Just an idea!

The biggest issue for Nittaku is production capacity. The company has only one factory. DHS blows it out of the water. Even TSP has two factories.

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+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare)
+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
= 184.8g


Posted By: TurboZ
Date Posted: 11/28/2016 at 4:58pm
Butterfly was the ball supplier of last WTTC so the DHS contract may just be for World Tour and the likes only. 



There will be packs of new balls coming such as Donic P40+, Double Fish V40+, Nittaku NSD40+ and Yasaka SLB40+. All made in China and probably using the same D40+ design. Suddenly I see hopes again in the future. LOL 



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Posted By: zeio
Date Posted: 11/28/2016 at 5:01pm
Originally posted by Baal Baal wrote:

Originally posted by zeio zeio wrote:

Well, ball supplier for WTTC 2017 will be Nittaku. Table sponsor will be DHS, though.




Source: http://www.nittaku.com/topics/detail.php?id=697" rel="nofollow - http://www.nittaku.com/topics/detail.php?id=697


Well, I feel a little less upset with ITTF with that news.  Of course maybe Nittaku just paid a larger bribe.  But I am going to try to make myself believe it is because their ball is better.

To make you feel better, http://news.san-ei.global/?p=820" rel="nofollow - San-Ei will be the official table supplier for Tokyo , after the immense success at Rio. Who doesn't want to see the Olympic Games played on Japanese soil with Japanese equipment? If Japan can't win gold, there will be no excuse, right?

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Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare)
+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
= 184.8g


Posted By: zeio
Date Posted: 11/28/2016 at 6:30pm
Originally posted by TurboZ TurboZ wrote:

Butterfly was the ball supplier of last WTTC so the DHS contract may just be for World Tour and the likes only. 



There will be packs of new balls coming such as Donic P40+, Double Fish V40+, Nittaku NSD40+ and Yasaka SLB40+. All made in China and probably using the same D40+ design. Suddenly I see hopes again in the future. LOL 


From the http://www.toutiao.com/i6273047447165993473/" rel="nofollow - link in my earlier post, it reads in one picture:

53rd, 55th WTTTC
54th WTTC
Brazil 2016
Tokyo 2020
2014-2020 Men's, Women's WC
2014-2020 ITTF World Tour Grand Finals
CTTSL

Official distributor DHS HK's facebook makes a similar claim in https://www.facebook.com/dhspingpong/photos/a.1062042233806639.1073741827.1061962643814598/1342421855768674/?type=3&theater" rel="nofollow - one poster .

Feelsbadman.

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Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare)
+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
= 184.8g


Posted By: mickd
Date Posted: 11/28/2016 at 7:06pm
What's with all these new balls coming out with a letter in front of the 40+? Is it just a naming convention for their new, and hopefully more consistent balls? Or does it actually mean something, like a different plastic compound?


Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 11/28/2016 at 7:13pm
Just marketing. No naming convention.


Posted By: zeio
Date Posted: 11/28/2016 at 7:40pm
G40+ = Gotcha 40+
D40+ = Duped 40+

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Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare)
+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
= 184.8g


Posted By: CroNone
Date Posted: 11/28/2016 at 11:22pm
Slightly O.T. but just ordered some Nittaku Jtop 40+ training balls. After using Xushafa seamless training and even worse, Stag 1 star training I have a feeling these will be vastly better. The Stags moved like eggs in the air. Completely unpredictable.

I know that training balls are lower quality but I never had a problem with celluloid balls.


Posted By: zeio
Date Posted: 11/29/2016 at 12:05am
The yield rate is really low for the 40+ right now. Even the 3-star are hit and miss. The same thing happened for the 40mm when it was introduced. It wasn't until 2003 before it got better.

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Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare)
+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
= 184.8g


Posted By: igorponger
Date Posted: 11/29/2016 at 2:43pm
LOOKING FOR THE COACH'S OPINION ON PRACTICE BALLS.

I wonder to know what balls now used by the America's professional coaches for doing drills and practice for teaching the game children, amateurs, etc.
Where from do they purchase trainer balls for practice sessions ?

   Is there some working coach on this forum? I'd like to here his opinion about what they think to be the best training ball at present time and why?


Posted By: igorponger
Date Posted: 11/29/2016 at 3:26pm
NO CONSENSUS AHIEVED SO FAR.

Just have learned some people's views on plastic training balls. 10 Revews given or more. There is no consensus on the best ball, people do prefer many different products.

Perhaps Xushaofa is considered most played training ball, as it appears from peoples many reviews.

https://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?11052-Best-40-training-ball" rel="nofollow - https://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?11052-Best-40-training-ball


Posted By: CroNone
Date Posted: 11/29/2016 at 6:28pm
As I suspected, the Nittaku Jtop is top quality. Here's a breakdown from a coach.

http://www.samsondubina.com/equipment/3-types-balls" rel="nofollow - http://www.samsondubina.com/equipment/3-types-balls


Posted By: igorponger
Date Posted: 12/01/2016 at 2:57pm
NEW OUTDOOR BALL OF ABS PLASTIC.

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   A new plastic thing is now about to start out.. Newly designed ball of ABS plastic.

It is sayed to be a bigger diameter with a greater weight. Perhaps it befits indoor game as well. So exciting novelty, endeed.
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ITTF is now gets eager so much to enlist more and more people for the sport.
Is the TTX outdoor pingpong going to be a true attraction for non sporty people? Lets live and see...



Posted By: Hans Regenkurt
Date Posted: 02/12/2017 at 12:04pm
I ordered a box of the new Donic P40+ back in december, which is supposedly a rebranded DHS D40+. I haven't received them yet so I rang them up last week to find out where my order is. They said the EU distribution centre has not sent the balls yet and they say they will be sending it in the coming weeks. What is sure is that I will get them at the end of March at the latest. This is consistent with the fact that the first World Tour to use them will take place in April.


Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 02/12/2017 at 9:02pm
Originally posted by CroNone CroNone wrote:

As I suspected, the Nittaku Jtop is top quality. Here's a breakdown from a coach.

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I also think they are very good fwiw.


Posted By: TurboZ
Date Posted: 02/13/2017 at 4:14am
Originally posted by Hans Regenkurt Hans Regenkurt wrote:

I ordered a box of the new Donic P40+ back in december, which is supposedly a rebranded DHS D40+. I haven't received them yet so I rang them up last week to find out where my order is. They said the EU distribution centre has not sent the balls yet and they say they will be sending it in the coming weeks. What is sure is that I will get them at the end of March at the latest. This is consistent with the fact that the first World Tour to use them will take place in April.

CNT said that they have already test the new ball for a while and start using it in their internal competitions back in Jan. A few taobao shops have it in stock and shipping now. But demand may be high in this early stage so they might become hard to get like the case with Nittaku Premium. I have mine sitting with my taobao agent but too bad I have to wait for all other stuffs to arrive before asking them to ship it out.  




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Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 02/13/2017 at 6:46pm
I got my 1* version of the new D40+ ball from DHS today. Another fast delivery from TT11!!!   A few things I can report already, all good.

1.  If you hold it up to the light and look at the seam, and compare, it is identical to that of a Nittaku Premium.

2.  It has an identical bounce height to a Nittaku Premium.

3.  The color (how white it is) and the external surface texture are pretty much identical to Nittaku Premium.

I haven't played with it yet, but already I am very optimistic.  In fact, on the basis of the bounce height alone, I would say that they are better than the previous seamed Chinese 40+ balls.

Add to that what LGL said about them being the roundest balls yet, and maybe the ball situation is about to get better, at least once everybody starts putting their own label on this ball.

If it's like it was with Nittaku, it may take DHS awhile to get the production fully ramped up, and hopefully they continue to maintain high QC (in general not a DHS strong point). The *** versions are likely to be scarce for awhile.

But things may be looking up.

(One last thing, these DHS were not as round as a Nittaku Premium but then again these are 1* balls presumably for a reason, so I am not at all concerned by that).


Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 02/14/2017 at 10:54pm
Played with them tonight. Weird sound. Weird in other ways too. I think the best I can say is thatI will wait for *** before deciding anything about the D40+.



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