Tibhar Evolution EL-S and FX-S
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Topic: Tibhar Evolution EL-S and FX-S
Posted By: NextLevel
Subject: Tibhar Evolution EL-S and FX-S
Date Posted: 06/11/2016 at 11:07pm
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I heard they are out. Anyone with a review or some info on where to purchase? ------------- https://youtu.be/jhO4K_yFhh8?t=115" rel="nofollow - I like putting heavy topspin on the ball... Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
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Posted By: MCollins
Date Posted: 06/11/2016 at 11:37pm
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They seem to be here: http://www.teessport.com/rubbers-c6/tibhar-evolution-el-s-table-tennis-rubber-p9433 Expensive, though.
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Posted By: Sedis
Date Posted: 06/12/2016 at 2:42am
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Looks like they are due in mid August. If you select a colour and thickness, you get a message that says: " |
Posted By: Ray
Date Posted: 06/12/2016 at 6:06am
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They will be available in Germany from July 4, 2016. ------------- Life is too short for defensive play. https://twitter.com/spinnier_com" rel="nofollow - https://twitter.com/spinnier_com https://fb.me/spinnier" rel="nofollow - fb.me/spinnier |
Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 07/19/2016 at 10:25am
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OK, so I made the out-of-character step of buying some new rubber, and the sheets arrived today. They're hitting the open market now so all your usual suppliers will likely have stocks now (still not quite available in the UK yet though). Basic specs (note the bigger sheet size than regular ESN): Evolution FX-S - 1.9mm - Red - 168mmx178mm - 65.14g uncut, 43.91g cut Evolution EL-S - 2.1mm - Black - 167mmx179mm - 72.32g uncut, 49.02g cut The sponges are large-pored and don't have the booster smell of the original Evo -P range. I'd estimate EL-S to be 45 degree and FX-S to be 42 degree in an uneducated finger-squishing exercise. I'd say the topsheets are medium/soft, and very grippy (no slip or squeaky feel). I'd say the topsheets have a bit more flexibility and are a touch shinier in appearance than MX-S, but retain the short pip height. General quality of the sheets is great with no blemishes on the topsheets or unevenness in the sponges - as you'd expect from ESN really. They aren't cut quite straight though - only obvious when I was using a ruler to measure the size of the uncut sheet. Obviously not a problem once you cut them anyway, but not something I've seen from ESN sheets in the main. Needed two good layers of glue on the sponge to deal with the large pores. The sheets are totally flat and are easy to handle when making the bat up. Unfortunately, my training night is Monday and they've arrived today, so it might be a week before I can even try them out. Saaaaaaaad face.
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Posted By: DreiZ
Date Posted: 07/19/2016 at 10:33am
Interested in EL-S. Can't wait for your review. Also almost all my red MXPs that I've bought were cut uneven as well. QC issue but not really noticeable once cut on the blade. ------------- Ovtcharov Innerforce ALC 85g FH/BH: Glayzer 09C 2.1mm USATT: 1725 |
AndySmith wrote:Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 07/19/2016 at 10:56am
Evos are a different sheet size, so I wonder if that's related? I don't recall noticing it on any of my recent Bluefires or Omegas.
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Posted By: slevin
Date Posted: 07/19/2016 at 1:56pm
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Can't wait for your review, Andy. I've ordered a few sheets myself but it shall be at least a month before I try them. I'm interested in comparison with another spinny 45 deg ESN new-gen rubber: the Omega V Europe. ------------- Trade feedback: http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=50787" rel="nofollow - http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=50787 |
Posted By: ckhirnigs113
Date Posted: 07/19/2016 at 3:40pm
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I also look forward to reading more reviews on these new rubbers from Tibhar. EL-S sounds mighty tempting. ------------- Blade: Victas Koji Matsushita FL FH: Xiom Vega Japan MAX BH: TSP P-1R 1.0mm USATT Rating: 1947 |
Posted By: mog1111
Date Posted: 07/20/2016 at 5:08am
I would be interested to know who it lasts?? Personally I think that FX-P is wonderful when you get it and degenerates very quickly within a couple of weeks, I think it is heavily treated. Personally I think tenergy 05fx last much longer by miles and also worsens more linearly so you don't notice as much. If FX-S is going to have more durability I think it could be an excellent rubber |
Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 07/20/2016 at 5:32am
It's obviously too early to say, but I can at least say that EL-S and FX-S are a different generation to FX-S and have a different topsheet, no obvious booster smell (booster could be odorless of course). So we can hope that durability has improved - I certainly find that recent ESN rubbers last longer than the older ones like Bluefire M.
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Posted By: mog1111
Date Posted: 07/20/2016 at 7:30am
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http://www.tt-spin.de/tibhar-evolution-fx-s/ interesting review here in german and of el-s |
Posted By: DreiZ
Date Posted: 07/26/2016 at 11:02pm
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http://www.tt-spin.de/tibhar-evolution-belagtest/
Overall comparison of all Evolution rubbers by this reviewer. Great infographs! I find it interesting that EL-S has the highest throw of the 3 (MX-P, MX-S, EL-S) and the most comparable to a T05 replacement. Im also wondering hows the weight of 1.9-2.0 EL-S compared to 1.9-2.0 MX-P if anyone has that information?
------------- Ovtcharov Innerforce ALC 85g FH/BH: Glayzer 09C 2.1mm USATT: 1725 |
Posted By: slevin
Date Posted: 07/26/2016 at 11:50pm
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I spent 3 hours with EL-S (max, red) today at the club (so, not enough info yet for a detailed opinion). Setup 1: Hurricane Long V (90g) / H3 Neo 39 (unboosted) / EL-S (max) Setup 2: MJ-SZLC / H3 Neo 39 (boosted) / Omega V Europe (max) Basically, the EL-S is the most T05-like rubber out there by a long mile. A bit softer than T05 and all the ensuing properties of the softness follow (a bit easier to spin than T05, max spin potential reaches at a bit lesser arm speed, etc). Medium-high throw (higher than MX-P). Excellent synergy between topsheet and sponge (much better than that in XVE or Rasant Grip). By T05-like, I mean that a T05 user would feel at home right away with this one. I never thought MX-P was like T05 at all (MX-P, to me, is closer to a highly boosted H3 Neo). Cut to a Hurricane Long V (which is a larger blade than the standard Butterfly ones), the EL-S max was 50g including glue (so, not too heavy at all). It is spinnier than the other 45 degree ESN tensors out there once one uses the sponge (XVE is a shade spinnier if you brush only). Perhaps, the sponge is 0.5 - 1 degree harder than that of the Omega V Europe. Still, I was hoping that it would be a shade harder than it currently is. My mini-beef with ESN 45 deg rubbers (I saw this in Rakza 9 and XVE - both of which I love when new) is that they become softer after 2 weeks and start bottoming out sooner. For those who don't know yet, the EL-S has been getting fantastic reviews on the German TT forums. Quite a few players who did not think that MX-P was a T05 quality rubber are now thinking of leaving T05 for the EL-S. Definitely worth trying! ------------- Trade feedback: http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=50787" rel="nofollow - http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=50787 |
Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 07/27/2016 at 12:07am
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My sheets are at the post office. Will pick up and test tomorrow evening. ------------- https://youtu.be/jhO4K_yFhh8?t=115" rel="nofollow - I like putting heavy topspin on the ball... Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
Posted By: DreiZ
Date Posted: 07/27/2016 at 12:12am
All these reviews making me want to return my newly bought MXP sheets  and get EL-S.------------- Ovtcharov Innerforce ALC 85g FH/BH: Glayzer 09C 2.1mm USATT: 1725 |
Posted By: Fedex78
Date Posted: 07/27/2016 at 1:10am
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I have to glue two el-s 2.0 to my blade...I'll let you know how it performs ------------- Viscaria FL Omega VII Pro 2.0 Black FH Omega VII Euro 2.0 Red BH |
Posted By: jackass22
Date Posted: 07/27/2016 at 4:01pm
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Could you compare el-s, fx-s and fx-p. Throw, speed. Thanks |
Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 07/28/2016 at 12:11am
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Another rubber proves the value of the spring sponge. I can see amateurs using this. Pros not so much. This is my first opinion tho. ------------- https://youtu.be/jhO4K_yFhh8?t=115" rel="nofollow - I like putting heavy topspin on the ball... Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
Posted By: nv42
Date Posted: 07/28/2016 at 5:28am
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Was worried about that very fact. For me, non of the ~45 deg tensors come close to t05 spin in the higher gears. Looking forward to further thoughts from you NL. :) ------------- 1.dhs pg2 fl -FH t05h (max) -BH tibhar genius (max) |
Posted By: rickywinataa
Date Posted: 07/28/2016 at 6:26am
I take it the rubber still doesnt give the feeling of the wood as much as tenergy? |
Posted By: Mart11
Date Posted: 07/28/2016 at 12:30pm
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This is getting fun...just got an e'mail from TTmode as I guess their other customers too that today they have to disable their special weekly offer for new Evolution and maybe all Evo rubbers. The reason was some kind of suppliers marketing policy. It made me think guys if this was not the beginning of some kind of BTY strategy, lol! |
Posted By: ckhirnigs113
Date Posted: 07/28/2016 at 3:09pm
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Well it works for Butterfly, so you can't really blame them. I'm glad I ordered a sheet with the special price though. I guess the deal is still on through the end of the day if anyone is on the fence on whether to try it out. ------------- Blade: Victas Koji Matsushita FL FH: Xiom Vega Japan MAX BH: TSP P-1R 1.0mm USATT Rating: 1947 |
Posted By: tom
Date Posted: 07/28/2016 at 3:29pm
| I doubt it but out of curiosity I checked TT11 - no special restrictions for discount on any Tibhar rubbers |
Posted By: tabletennis11
Date Posted: 07/28/2016 at 3:43pm
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Posted By: DreiZ
Date Posted: 07/28/2016 at 5:15pm
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Really need someone to compare the weights of 1.9-2.0mm and 2.1-2.2mm EL-S, FX-S, and MX-P please! Thank you! ------------- Ovtcharov Innerforce ALC 85g FH/BH: Glayzer 09C 2.1mm USATT: 1725 |
Posted By: Soundoff88
Date Posted: 07/28/2016 at 5:22pm
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Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 07/28/2016 at 5:25pm
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My training night was cancelled this week, but I went into a league match with FX-S and EL-S tonight. Because reasons. I can totally see where both slevin and NextLevel's are coming from about EL-S. It feels remarkably like T05 for general, medium effort shots. The most important thing is that lifting backspin with an active stroke and counterlooping feels very similar, and is ridiculously easy. It shares the spin sensitivity in passive play (but not the bounciness so much) and I had a hard time with pushing long initially. On really hard strokes I didn't feel like the spin was quite there, but this does give EL-S an edge when smashing and blocking heavy incoming stuff IMO. I had FX-S on my BH side and I really didn't like it, which surprised me. I'm a big fan of FX-P, but for whatever reason I had real issues with FX-S and how its catapult behaved. It's sensitive to incoming spin but pretty dead on slow impacts, and then throws high and gets fast, quickly. Service return was giving me fits in particular, whereas EL-S was much more predictable and steady in comparison. I usually like softer rubbers on by BH side, but I'm more used to bouncy behavior I think. I guess FX-S's topsheet is absorbing the incoming pace. Of course, I need a training session. Going straight into a competitive match with untried rubbers is crazy and not great for evaluating the basic characteristics. I still won my 3 matches though and that says something - as much as I didn't feel comfortable with FX-S, and as much as EL-S was more demanding in some ways than my usual FH rubber, they are pretty easy to use and it wouldn't take too long to adapt if I wanted to.
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Posted By: jonyer1980
Date Posted: 07/28/2016 at 6:02pm
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Thanks for the input. Since my MPX needs a replacement, could you compare to it in terms of speed/spin/control? Im thinking about switching to this one or keeping same trusty MXP ------------- Rosewood V FL Nittaku Fastarc G1-FH Stiga DNA Pro-S MAX BH Avoid any Butterfly stuff... at abusive prices. Raw power without control means nothing |
Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 07/28/2016 at 6:24pm
I've not been able to make sense of FX-S either even though I trained with it a bit yesterday. I just assumed that my Tenergy 05 usage has left me unable to deal with these rubbers as patiently. I give them credit for improving the throw angle of the series, but I still think that people looking for a Tenergy sub underestimate the role the spring sponge in making Tenergy Tenergy. I think what distinguishes Tenergy is the wide range of swing speeds at which it gives heavy spin and appropriate speed for a short stroke. If you want to do all the work yourself, find a more neutral rubber. But EL-S is in my sweet spot for looping - I don't loop hard enough to not like it. But the slow ball effects will take some getting used to and I doubt it will be as forgiving when I am late to the ball. And in this era when the plastic ball is so hard to get moving, the extra help from Spring sponge helps a lot, IMO. ------------- https://youtu.be/jhO4K_yFhh8?t=115" rel="nofollow - I like putting heavy topspin on the ball... Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
Posted By: slevin
Date Posted: 07/28/2016 at 8:51pm
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As always, rubber reviews are blade dependent - composite or wood. I have glued EL-S to all-wood but not tried it yet. On Hurricane Long V, EL-S is a freakin' rocket. ------------- Trade feedback: http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=50787" rel="nofollow - http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=50787 |
Posted By: DreiZ
Date Posted: 07/28/2016 at 9:17pm
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Please dont forget to report the weights of your uncut/cut rubbers! Thanks! ------------- Ovtcharov Innerforce ALC 85g FH/BH: Glayzer 09C 2.1mm USATT: 1725 |
Posted By: ashishsharmaait
Date Posted: 07/28/2016 at 10:17pm
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El-s, Red 1.9mm, 47.7g cut to Bty Head. El-s, Black 1.9mm, 48.4 cut to Bty Head. The black sheet feels harder than the red while playing. ..and it plays very good on theTB ZLF.Good ball hold and excellent arc. On the ALC, its ok, but not much different from the Xiom V Omega Euro. |
Posted By: slevin
Date Posted: 07/28/2016 at 11:14pm
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MX-P max 76g / 53g cut EL-S max 72g / 49.5g cut ------------- Trade feedback: http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=50787" rel="nofollow - http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=50787 |
Posted By: nv42
Date Posted: 07/29/2016 at 12:27am
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So basically I guess the El-s doesn't nearly have as much spin as t05 ans mx-p on Harder drives/ loops, right? ( considering its being used on a decently fast carbon composite, preferably a zl fiber blade) ------------- 1.dhs pg2 fl -FH t05h (max) -BH tibhar genius (max) |
Posted By: ashishsharmaait
Date Posted: 07/29/2016 at 1:16am
Yes, not as much spin on high impact shots. The trajectory flattens out a bit and the ball kicks less. Its probably the best non tenergy dor the BH though if you play at mid distance and loop. |
Posted By: jackass22
Date Posted: 07/29/2016 at 3:03am
Please, write the blade, which was used for testing. Blade's information is the most important. Various blade= totally various behaving of rubbers. Did you use donic crest ar?
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Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 07/29/2016 at 4:42am
I respectfully disagree. I'd say the rubber is the most important factor when describing a rubber. Without the rubber I would be describing thin air. The blade is important, but not the most important. I was using a Levi Basalt blade. As I mentioned, it was only a match situation and I don't want to commit too heavily to an opinion. Hence the lack of detail.
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Posted By: nv42
Date Posted: 07/29/2016 at 5:58am
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Posted By: jackass22
Date Posted: 07/29/2016 at 8:32am
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Which rubber is more suitable for game near the table for forhand(wrist topspin) (fx-s or el-s)? I have fast blade and i need a little bit to slow down. I play only controlled topspin (not fast but spinny with wrist) and blocks. I am afdraid of reaction on incoming spin(like baracuda). Which is better for blocking? |
Posted By: ashishsharmaait
Date Posted: 07/29/2016 at 8:43am
| You can try Skyline 3 60 Mid Hard, medium speed, linear behavior, stable blocks, plenty of power close to the table...and the price is great. |
Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 07/29/2016 at 8:52am
I think there are faster Non-Tenergies out there that support shorter strokes better. I guess it is all about your technique. ------------- https://youtu.be/jhO4K_yFhh8?t=115" rel="nofollow - I like putting heavy topspin on the ball... Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
Posted By: tom
Date Posted: 07/29/2016 at 10:21am
| had high hopes for ELS - I guess still worth a try for BH - though no miracle product ? |
Posted By: ashishsharmaait
Date Posted: 07/29/2016 at 10:48am
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Its a good BH rubber for those using T80/05/64 on the bh...and a one to one replacement for those using 80/64 on the fh. Its not worse than any of the tenergies and as good as 80/64. I find it too soft for the FH as I use H3N on the FH andhave a more upright-forward stroke. People using T80 will not find it soft. People using T05 who find mx-p a little less juicy and directwill like it better than both. Its a really good rubber. It is currently the best rubber out there for all round attackers who rely on placement and power over purely power. ..andI have played extensively with Rasant, rasant grip, rasant power grip, vega pro, omega 4 pro, omega v asia, omega x euro, mx-p, el-p, t05, t80 and t64. I hope TableTennis11 hand out some more 10 euro coupons :-) |
Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 07/29/2016 at 10:52am
It seems really good to me, but not a revelation. It does answer one of the most recurring questions of our generation - the T05 alternative. It's not identical but the feel and spin performance in middle-gear looping and counterlooping is remarkably close, and I'd call the lack of low-gear spring a feature rather than a bug. I'd choose it over T05 based on how it plays and price (although durability is obviously not really known yet), but that's just me.
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Posted By: jackass22
Date Posted: 07/29/2016 at 11:23am
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Many players have written, that el-s and fx-s are very bad for passive blocks. Somotimes the ball fall down and sometimes ball is kicked away- weird topsheet. If its true, its big issue for me... rubber without control by blocking....what a pitty
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Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 07/29/2016 at 12:02pm
I did feel something along these lines with FX-S on my BH side during the match. Early days though.
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Posted By: slevin
Date Posted: 07/29/2016 at 2:16pm
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Good review (google translate version) on a german forum: http://forum.tt-news.de/showthread.php?t=204727&page=22" rel="nofollow - http://forum.tt-news.de/showthread.php?t=204727&page=22 Quote:
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 (see above) This is a very good post, in which the hardness of the Evolution EL-S is described super: http://forum.tt-news.de/showthread.php?p=2761320#post2761320" rel="nofollow - I would have never thought that I will make even such a statement after I have always something different ridiculed if, after " thesearch for the best flooring" or "penny!", because such a thing does not exist actually. But after I was super happy with Butterfly Tenergy previously many years, covering which have given me almost everything (VH: T05, RH: T64), there with Evolution MX-S and MX-P comparably good alternatives, I have now but for personally panacea found me: TIBHAR evolution EL-S - so if someone actually looking at the market for "the" best pad, then the EL-S is one of them.------------- Trade feedback: http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=50787" rel="nofollow - http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=50787 |
Posted By: nv42
Date Posted: 07/29/2016 at 3:52pm
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Did anyone find it really good for bh openings/banana flicks? Got me wondering since Some ppl in those German forums said it's the 'best' rubber avaliable to open against backspin! ------------- 1.dhs pg2 fl -FH t05h (max) -BH tibhar genius (max) |
Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 07/29/2016 at 5:23pm
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The spin is tremendous and the surface grip is the highest of any non-sticky rubber I have tried (similar to MX-S). It's just that anyone who is saying it is a Tenergy replacement very likely boosts. The ball quality is similar at medium speeds but there is a clear lack of catapult that gives it more control and makes it require larger strokes. It won't bail you out quite like Tenergy does, but if the ball has spin, it will eat it all up. ------------- https://youtu.be/jhO4K_yFhh8?t=115" rel="nofollow - I like putting heavy topspin on the ball... Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
Posted By: nv42
Date Posted: 07/30/2016 at 2:33am
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I found mx-p a bit better to do really short spinny serves compared to mx-s which needed a really thin and quick contact to keep it short as well as spinny. The mx-s Topsheet felt a bit less elastic compared to mx-p. Where do you think the El-s stands in this? I find that my short serves are the spinniest on mx-p/t05 followed by mx-s, rakza, aurus, oVt, in this order. Tried them all on a xiom vega pro blade if that helps. ------------- 1.dhs pg2 fl -FH t05h (max) -BH tibhar genius (max) |
Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 07/30/2016 at 3:06am
So what's your objective playing level, nv42? I would have thought quick and thin contact was high level serving. ------------- https://youtu.be/jhO4K_yFhh8?t=115" rel="nofollow - I like putting heavy topspin on the ball... Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
Posted By: nv42
Date Posted: 07/30/2016 at 9:50am
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From the videos iv seen here I guess my lvl might be around 2100 usatt currently. I don't get the chance to play many tournaments these days since I spend quite a lot of time coaching and a part time job . Either way, my serves are as good if not better than many of the higher seeded players in my state in terms of deception. (which I follow up with a 3rd ball atk) Well, I forgot to add that I can serve short n spinny pretty darn well with Chinese rubbers like h3, friendship rubbers etc but just couldnt get good really good spin with a thin brush on mx-s compared to those rubbers. Overall I found mx-p and t05 the easiest to use for my service game. ------------- 1.dhs pg2 fl -FH t05h (max) -BH tibhar genius (max) |
Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 07/30/2016 at 11:20pm
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I think when changing rubbers when serving, the transition to find the optimal technique to replicate your prior output can take longer than we think because of sponge behavior. That said, I would not consider the topsheet grip of MX-P or Tenergy to be quite the same as MX-S, especially with the plastic ball, and I think that what you are probably looking at was more related to the "throw" of the rubbers than the actual amount of spin. I think because EL-S is high throw, you might like how it serves. ------------- https://youtu.be/jhO4K_yFhh8?t=115" rel="nofollow - I like putting heavy topspin on the ball... Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
Posted By: nv42
Date Posted: 07/31/2016 at 6:22am
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Makes total sense! Now that I look at it, I do seem to have a slight preference for rubbers with higher throw for my serves, never thought of it that way though! Thanks a lot for pointing it out and very well explained! . Now I gotta try the El-s out! Shoukd get it in around 10 days hopefully :) ------------- 1.dhs pg2 fl -FH t05h (max) -BH tibhar genius (max) |
Posted By: carmelomaf
Date Posted: 08/17/2016 at 3:42am
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Hello, I have now tested 2 times del EL-S and compared directly with MX-S and EL-P First training unit: MXS / Force Pro Edition Bleck / ELP MXS / Force Pro Edition Bleck / ELS Second training unit: MXS / Stratus Power Wood / ELP MXS / Stratus Power Wood / ELS The ELS is very good rubber but I find difficult that FH-oriented players will replace their MXP or MXS or T05. The surface is very spinning, very good control but lacks in power Otherweise the rubber is very good for the BH and I personally would highly probably replace my ELP. The ELP plays too direct and provides less spin and control. With ELS is much easier to open backspin and to serve short. ------------- Tibhar MX-P 50 Max| BTY Boll ALC FL | Tibhar MX-S Max an Italian playing TT in Germany |
Posted By: jackass22
Date Posted: 08/17/2016 at 1:46pm
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Could you compare blocks and control els vs mxp? And also compare your blades. Thx |
Posted By: carmelomaf
Date Posted: 08/17/2016 at 2:22pm
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els is better for block than mxp that ist to fast in general I didn't like the mxp for the bh regarding the blades is difficult to compare a 91g wood blade with a 85g wood blade in my case the powerwood is more direct and faster ------------- Tibhar MX-P 50 Max| BTY Boll ALC FL | Tibhar MX-S Max an Italian playing TT in Germany |
Posted By: incarnation
Date Posted: 08/21/2016 at 9:42pm
| Can someone please provide a bit more detail comparison between EL-S and T05/T64 in terms of SPEED, SPIN and Durability? Thanks |
Posted By: ashishsharmaait
Date Posted: 08/22/2016 at 2:14am
Although EL-S can be used as a replacement for T80 and maybe T64, it does not play the same. Differences: Topsheet grip: EL-S has more topsheet grip as compared to T64. Topsheet hardness: The topsheet is not as soft as T64. It is significantly harder, even harder than T05. Throw angle: Throw angle is lower than T64 on counter-topspin. Nearly same throw angle on openings and blocks. Passive play: Due to more rigid topsheet, passive play is not as easy. The ball sometime does not grip the topsheet as much as you would like. Speed: A bit slower than T64 and T80 on medium shots. Have to work a bit more for the pace. Equally fast on full shots. Weight: 3 gms heavier than T64 cut to BTY Head size. Durability: Used it for close 40 hours now, no big issues yet. Topsheet seems more durable than T64. Where it is better: Spin: Higher spin potential, generally higher spin on all shots as compared to T64/T80. Opening: Easier to open underspin Smashing: easy smashing Short underspin game: Not as touchy as T64 What it is not: A T64 replacement. It can be an alternative, but not a 1-1 replacement. It might be a T80 replacement on the BH, but I have not used T80 for a few months now. My recommendation to everyone would be to give it a try if you are looking for a T64/T80 alternative/replacement. At the current price of 30-33 euros per sheet, it is excellent value. All of this is on the BH on an ALC/ZLC blade. I play H3N on the FH. |
Posted By: incarnation
Date Posted: 08/22/2016 at 10:32am
Thanks for the detail review. I will have a try then. btw how is it compare to T05. I am currently using Timo boll ZLC with T05 on both forehand and backhand. I really like the grip and spin of T05. and which website do you order EL-S ? thanks lol
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Posted By: ashishsharmaait
Date Posted: 08/22/2016 at 11:27am
Less bouncy as compared to T05 in short game. Needs just a tiny little bit more effort in counters and medium speed shots. A notch slower at full swing compared to T05 and a fair bit lesser spin on loop drives. The short game and blocking is better than 05. |
Posted By: bard romance
Date Posted: 10/16/2016 at 11:33pm
Have you tried FX-S as well?
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Posted By: slevin
Date Posted: 10/17/2016 at 12:00am
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FX-S would be too soft for me. ------------- Trade feedback: http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=50787" rel="nofollow - http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=50787 |
Posted By: nv42
Date Posted: 10/17/2016 at 1:57am
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To start off, the el-s topsheet is definitely the most spin sensitive of all the new gen 'made for p-ball' rubbers, kinda reminded me of the first time I tried baracuda. Loop-drives are amazing with this rubber, the top sheet and sponge works together pretty well, just like t05, however pure brushy loops arent as good as on t05 or mx-p. Now the main issue I had was with my serves, no idea why, but I just couldn't put as much spin on the ball while serving short or long as compared to when I use mx-p, aurus, rakza, t05 or even some old gen rubbers like the donic sonex jp. Tried it for quite a few days, gave it a few club mates to try so that I can judge the spin myself, even reglued it once which dint change anything much. I used to find that I couldn't serve all that well even with the mx-s, but only a small differnce. If mx-p is 10,aurus is 9 and mx-s is an 8 , but I found the el-s to be a 6 or even a 5. I'm still confused why I can't seem to get in some good serves with such a grippy rubber (even my clubbies couldn't) Serves are a big part of my game so even though I loved the rallying capabilites of el-s, just had to change back to mx-p. ------------- 1.dhs pg2 fl -FH t05h (max) -BH tibhar genius (max) |
Posted By: Ladon1997
Date Posted: 10/17/2016 at 7:18am
| Tenergy - like rubber but not Tenergy |
Posted By: mog1111
Date Posted: 10/17/2016 at 7:22am
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I have just tried a sheet of fx-s on my fh in 1.9. it is very spinny, I served better than with 05fx. but I just find the throw to low and then I am scared to really swing with confidence. I keep trying other stuff on my fh, but I always find 05fx just suits me best. even though I despise the price and practice of buying tenergy it just makes it easy to loop if you shots tend to be a bit flat |
Posted By: jk92
Date Posted: 10/17/2016 at 8:21pm
Thanks for sharing your experience. I just put a sheet of fx-s on my backhand @ 2.1mm What a weapon it is! my backhand spin and punch is lethal compared to Rakza X at 2.0mm. I'm actually surprised at how much control I still have on this despite it being so powerful. Will have to see how it plays during match play ------------- Timo Boll CAF Penhold Donic Bluegrip R1 Andro Hexer Grip SFX |
Posted By: DreiZ
Date Posted: 10/20/2016 at 7:26pm
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Just glued 1.9-2.0 ELS on my SSCB ST. First initial impression is that the topsheet is not as grippy as my used MXP. Overall hardness seems pretty close to my used MXP (which was slightly boosted), a degree softer I guess as stated by the stats. Overall weight still heavy but feels abit lighter than 1.9-2.0 MXP both sides. Will test it this Saturday. I feel like I bought into the hype of this rubber, hopefully it won't disappoint me. ------------- Ovtcharov Innerforce ALC 85g FH/BH: Glayzer 09C 2.1mm USATT: 1725 |
Posted By: Ladon1997
Date Posted: 10/20/2016 at 7:59pm
| Softer sponge is certainly lighter than harder one for the same thickness |
Posted By: DreiZ
Date Posted: 10/22/2016 at 8:14pm
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First session with EL-S so here are my impressions. 1.9-2.0mm sponge Speed: MXP > ELS Spin: MXP > ELS Control: ELS > MXP Rubber feels like a tame MXP; less bounciness, speed, and spin. It doesnt seem to have much factory boosting (or not at all). I can certainly say its a good all around offensive rubber but not a monster like MXP. Blocking is easy with it, flipping serves too. Overall hardness actually is not that far from MXP giving that semi-direct feel. Stepping away from the table, it does produce a similar arc to MXP, so i wouldnt call it T05-like, but the arc on MXP feels a bit lower and "tighter". I still prefer MXP away from the table. Lifting backspin has similar feel, nothing out of the ordinary. What i want to mention is brush looping with ELS seemed harder. I feel that MXP has more surface/topsheet grip. In terms of spin sensitivity and service, the rubber is not as sensitive to spin as MXP, i also prefer serving with MXP but i may have adapted to it after using it for so many months. For what its worth, its a good rubber but i wouldnt replace my MXP with it. The reason i bought it was to see if it would make a difference in terms of weight on my 87g SSCB but its not significant enough to outweigh the benefits that come with MXP. Thats about it so far.
------------- Ovtcharov Innerforce ALC 85g FH/BH: Glayzer 09C 2.1mm USATT: 1725 |
Posted By: danjacob02
Date Posted: 10/23/2016 at 6:24am
| I used to use an EL-S on my Fang Bo ALC... In my experience it's spinnier than both T05 and MX-P. imho |
Posted By: Makelele
Date Posted: 10/23/2016 at 10:30am
Did you use it in your FH or BH? |
Posted By: danjacob02
Date Posted: 10/23/2016 at 10:42am
I used it on my BH. I got very spinny flicks,pushes,lobs and loops on it. Very good for opening up and receives. Blocks very well. Though I think it's more suited for blades that are hard and that are quite fast as it lacks speed if you'll use it for all out attack. Perhaps in LoopKills, T05 and MXP have the upper hand due to the lack of speed. As their speed give them some "weight" to it as well. I'd say it's best for an All Round attacker or a single wing attacker(FH) who'll use it for the short game and control on the BH. Haven't tried it on a flexy and soft blade though, so I'm not sure how that feels like. It's actually my favorite rubber for the BH because of the spin and control it provide. Though would like it to be a notch or 2 faster. I like blocking and punch blocking on my BH so I still prefer MX-P over it.
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Posted By: Makelele
Date Posted: 10/24/2016 at 1:24pm
So finally your preferred rubber for BH is....   |
Posted By: danjacob02
Date Posted: 10/24/2016 at 1:36pm
Haha I know I'm contradicting myself. So yeah if using an OFF+ blade EL-S wins. If I'm using an OFF- to OFF blade MX-P wins.
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Posted By: Chicobo
Date Posted: 10/25/2016 at 8:22pm
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Does anyone have thoughts or comparison between EL-S and FX-P for different strokes? ------------- Stiga Genesis x2 on Nexy Rubicon Galaxy Moon/Air Illumina Alpha on Andro Temper Tech Off- USATT 1620...Learning to play vs long pips |
Posted By: jonyer1980
Date Posted: 10/27/2016 at 5:44pm
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Ive been trying it today on my blade but didn't like too much as a BH rubber. It's quite sensitive to incoming spin and it's difficult for blocking because of its higher throw angle... I'd rather prefer other low throw not as spin sensitive on my BH. ------------- Rosewood V FL Nittaku Fastarc G1-FH Stiga DNA Pro-S MAX BH Avoid any Butterfly stuff... at abusive prices. Raw power without control means nothing |
Posted By: danjacob02
Date Posted: 10/28/2016 at 1:47am
Perhaps it depends on the blade you use as well. I found my EL-S to be medium throw. What blade did you use it on?
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Posted By: jonyer1980
Date Posted: 10/28/2016 at 10:59am
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Acoustic ------------- Rosewood V FL Nittaku Fastarc G1-FH Stiga DNA Pro-S MAX BH Avoid any Butterfly stuff... at abusive prices. Raw power without control means nothing |
Posted By: jonyer1980
Date Posted: 10/29/2016 at 11:20am
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I would like to know exactly how many degrees of hardness do they have. From the harder to the slower... MXS>MXP>ELS>ELP>FX-S-FXP??? MXP is something around 47° MXS~49-50° ELS~45-46° FXP~40-41° FXS~42.5? ELP~42.5°? ------------- Rosewood V FL Nittaku Fastarc G1-FH Stiga DNA Pro-S MAX BH Avoid any Butterfly stuff... at abusive prices. Raw power without control means nothing |
Posted By: danjacob02
Date Posted: 10/30/2016 at 1:09pm
FXP 39.1-41.1 FX-S 41-43 EL-P 42.4-44.4 EL-S 43.8-45.8 MX-P 45.7-47.7 MX-S 46.3-48.3 |
Posted By: neon
Date Posted: 10/30/2016 at 2:19pm
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Hello friends, in net I found some pictures of pips of EL-S and FX-S. Think pips are a little bit wider with a little bit less distance between pips... may be something like t05. See pictures of t05 and old evolution in: http://tt-maximum.com/forum/index.php?topic=4916.0 Tks.
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Posted By: nv42
Date Posted: 10/31/2016 at 2:39am
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El-s pips are indeed similar to that of t05, the spacing and pip length espeically, though the el-s pips might be a tad bit wider. This is why i couldnt understand how some ppl found it insensitive to spin. The top sheet is a bit right and hence might feel a bit non- reactive at soft touches, but you will definitely feel how reactive it is while blocking someone's topspin off a push. However, even with such a spin sensitive topsheet I still don't understand why it can't produce enough spin in serves. ------------- 1.dhs pg2 fl -FH t05h (max) -BH tibhar genius (max) |
Posted By: seguso
Date Posted: 10/31/2016 at 6:06am
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Hi guys, I am using EL-P on fh, I am looking for something a bit faster but with the same control. Slightly harder is ok. Is EL-S faster than EL-P? Thanks ------------- pg5x - mxd fh & bh - https://youtu.be/dBMqj0CN7XU" rel="nofollow - 2015 video |
Posted By: nv42
Date Posted: 10/31/2016 at 6:11am
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El-s may have a bit more top end speed and spin than el-p, but I guess el-p should be a lot more easier to use in the lower and middle gears. It did work well for me on FH on all attacking strokes, enough speed and spin and kinda felt like I was playing t05 during rallies, but I just can't seem to get used to the kinda right topsheet for my overall game, especially serves. ------------- 1.dhs pg2 fl -FH t05h (max) -BH tibhar genius (max) |
Posted By: assam
Date Posted: 10/31/2016 at 6:16am
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I think it is a little faster on fast strokes. I had no trouble on serve. I could make really spinny serves I've just changed to Rising Drangon because I felt it too soft for my FH. I still have it on BH
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Posted By: seguso
Date Posted: 10/31/2016 at 6:17am
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My doubt is... El-s in theory should have even less catapult than El-P, because of the smaller pored sponge. (like MX-S has less catapult than MX-P). I wouldn't like to buy EL-s and discover it is even slower than el-p... ------------- pg5x - mxd fh & bh - https://youtu.be/dBMqj0CN7XU" rel="nofollow - 2015 video |
Posted By: slevin
Date Posted: 10/31/2016 at 6:50am
For same hardness as EL-P: Rakza 9 (I liked this more than EL-P, especially with the plastic ball) ------------- Trade feedback: http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=50787" rel="nofollow - http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=50787 |
Posted By: assam
Date Posted: 10/31/2016 at 7:14am
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I didn't notice less catapult in EL-S, but each one has their preferences (the same way I didn't notice differences in FX-S and FX-P). I never tried MX-S so I can't compare it to MX-P... If you could you should try one from a friend
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Posted By: assam
Date Posted: 10/31/2016 at 7:16am
| I think EL-S is a great improvement for Evo series |
Posted By: mog1111
Date Posted: 10/31/2016 at 7:32am
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I think I am about to leave my beloved tenergy 05fx and switch to evolution fx-s brexit made me do it |
Posted By: mog1111
Date Posted: 10/31/2016 at 7:35am
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I serve better with fx-s block better with fx-s loop is a bit harder because of lower throw spin is higher I think drive is better tight game is safer this is on a ligna off blade |
Posted By: mog1111
Date Posted: 10/31/2016 at 7:35am
| I did not like el-p or fx-p |
Posted By: seguso
Date Posted: 10/31/2016 at 10:23am
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thank you guys, I've ordered el-s and fx-s, I'll let you know how it goes... ------------- pg5x - mxd fh & bh - https://youtu.be/dBMqj0CN7XU" rel="nofollow - 2015 video |
Posted By: jonyer1980
Date Posted: 10/31/2016 at 12:23pm
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Thanks dude. i hope you will share your experience with us as well.Im not fully satisfied with ELS on my BH due to its sensitive topsheet to incoming spin. I would like to try a softer FXS as well... ------------- Rosewood V FL Nittaku Fastarc G1-FH Stiga DNA Pro-S MAX BH Avoid any Butterfly stuff... at abusive prices. Raw power without control means nothing |
Posted By: nv42
Date Posted: 10/31/2016 at 3:58pm
Oh well, guess it doesn't matter since yu ordered it already. Waiting for your thoughts :) ------------- 1.dhs pg2 fl -FH t05h (max) -BH tibhar genius (max) |
Posted By: seguso
Date Posted: 10/31/2016 at 4:16pm
Not small pored? Very interesting. Harder topsheet could provide slightly higher throw, and could give it more arc than elp at full power. what is strange, though, is that MXS has softer topsheet than MXP (and lower throw.)
------------- pg5x - mxd fh & bh - https://youtu.be/dBMqj0CN7XU" rel="nofollow - 2015 video |
Posted By: nv42
Date Posted: 10/31/2016 at 6:44pm
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Even though the mx-s topsheet feels a bit softer than mx-p, I found it a tad more rigid and less elastic compared to the mx-p topsheet, because of which it gets that lower throw maybe. ------------- 1.dhs pg2 fl -FH t05h (max) -BH tibhar genius (max) |
Posted By: jonyer1980
Date Posted: 11/04/2016 at 6:32pm
I´m not really happy with ELS on my BH, I was used to Traction II with loads of booster and this one is quite slower, spinnier and higher arc with more sensitive topsheet. I´m thinking if FX-S will fit my BH better than this one... ------------- Rosewood V FL Nittaku Fastarc G1-FH Stiga DNA Pro-S MAX BH Avoid any Butterfly stuff... at abusive prices. Raw power without control means nothing |