Nexy Karis rubber BH-Man first look
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Topic: Nexy Karis rubber BH-Man first look
Posted By: BH-Man
Subject: Nexy Karis rubber BH-Man first look
Date Posted: 07/16/2016 at 12:21pm
Received a sheet of the final Prototype of made in Japan Nexy Karis rubber. Slapped it on the all-wood ALL-ALL+ Nexy Lissom and did league.
This rubber will be on market in 2 months. Nexy is the brand of our Korea Foreign TTA sponsor in Korea. I happen to be the Janitor and fall guy for NexyUSA.com and had to clean 12 toilets and pass two inspections just to get a sheet of this rubber.
Overall, this is a true modern offensive rubber. Not a Tensor, it is made in Japan. This is the first rubber from Nexy I will be happy to use on FH.
Very supple and dynamic topsheet. This sponge was hard, but they worked together. This rubber does all tasks well, but really shines in heavy slow spin openers, counter looping, and any stroke that you sink the ball into the topspheet and shoot it out.
First look at the rubber... I got with no packaging barebones style... maybe because there isn't a package for it yet, this sucka is a final prototype version, so what the heck would I expect? The first thing that strikes you is how nice the topsheet is. REALLY dynamic flexy supple. Reminds me of a new sheet of Aurus, that baby-soft and supple feel - excellent for wrapping around the ball for control and spin.
You do the toss ball and hit upwards with bat to spin the ball a foot in air and catch it. WOW. Spinny, springy. You bounce on bat, same. Yet, this is the ALL to ALL+ 5-ply all-wood Lissom blade we are using. Who says an ALL class wood blade cannot hit a ball hard ???
Warm-up... I really suck at FH to FH fast drive with little spin. I mean I REALLY suck at that stroke so much Korean coaches just skipped over that phase for me. So with a pick-up truck pinch of salt, take it for what is worth. Fast drives with little spin were OK, because the sponge is hard. If you strike right behind the ball, it will move out in a straight line like any other hitting rubber.
Serves... This sweet topsheet makes spinning the ball a breeze on serves. If you have the touch at impact and the timing to move the bat, you will really like the result - totally mechanical spin. This topsheet has next to zero tackiness. The topsheet wraps around the ball really well if you have the impact for it and you reap rewards.
Short touch... BH-Man and short touch share very few paths, but in practice I can do this task well enough. If you get close enough to the ball and engage the topsheet, then move the ball, you are all over it. If you just hold the bat there, the ball will slide off or rebound out, depending on your angle. With the plastic ball, this is the norm, but with Karis on short touch, you gotta engage the topsheet or you are toast. Fortunately, if you have the touch and impact control for this, Karis makes it easy.
OPENING TOPSPINS !!! This is real strength of the rubber. You serve, you get the coveted long underspin, then you open slow and heavy. If you restrain yourself from going 120% on the opener, you get massive spin. You control the depth and height by your blade angle, grip pressure, power of swing, and how forward you go. I can say that on Lissom, Karis has a very wide range of ways for you to land this great shot. This is the bread and butter of my game. I spin heavy and win point on the spin, of get back a block to attack strongly.
Counterlooping - If you are fortunate to see what opponent is doing and select the counterloop shot, you will love it. you can loop to loop all day long. it is best to lay off the big power and let the ball sink into the topsheet before shooting it out. use less grip pressure and less power, you will control the world. Impact it a bit on the side and reduce grip pressure even moar and watch opponent go "Oh-Syht" and make an emergency quick long step to his FH side. Use your legs and hips and get behind the ball with force and finish with some wrist and you are now one of the most powerful masters of the world with only an ALL class blade.
Pushes and chops - If you engage the topsheet and take it off the bounce, you are there. If you are back from table and dig into the ball, you will get your spin.
Off-speed shots... close to the table, if you lay off the grip pressure and use a soft forward shot, you will get your knuckle ball or low spin ball that looks spinny. Off the table vs a faster ball, this is 10x more challenging. VS a slower ball, you got a lot more control.
Smashes... vs that pop-up, if you step in and slap the pizz outta the ball and make that puppy scream, you will be there. Make no mistake though, this isn't Calibra LT, but you will finish your points.
Control looping with spin variation... I save this for last as this is the Dark Horse best kept secret of this KARIS rubber on a great ALL to ALL+ wood blade. You have such a wide range of spins to make from the same arm slot and squaring of your body it is silly. This ability to change the ball with little effort with the right changes of power and grip pressure throughout impact is a great asset for a player who chooses to vary the spin and placement with ease. Such shot selection wins points and sets up the next ball to control and win the rally.
Well, that was BH-Man's first impression from a night at work. I intend to make my way up the east coast Late Sep and Early Oct for two missions to NYC and in between, so anyone who wants a first-look-see at this rubber can catch me in person before this thing hits the market.
Here are two pics of the rubber front and back side...
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Posted By: ThePongProfessor
Date Posted: 07/16/2016 at 2:06pm
Nice :)
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Posted By: gekogark1212
Date Posted: 07/16/2016 at 5:22pm
Looks very promising indeed :)
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Posted By: Crowsfeather
Date Posted: 07/16/2016 at 10:00pm
Oh-shyt, I which i could have a pair right now, LFward official release
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Posted By: Saitama
Date Posted: 07/16/2016 at 10:09pm
Which side you can recommend it? Fh or bh?
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Posted By: BH-Man
Date Posted: 07/17/2016 at 6:31am
@fatt, maybe I shoulda weighed it. It isn't too much a heavy weight, maybe 45-50 grams cut is what it felt like.
@Saitama, I used it on FH side, I use Nexy Elpis on BH side the last 1+ years with excellent results. To date, Nexy has never produced a rubber I would be comfortable with on FH. Elpis is a control OFF rubber, but I require a more dynamic modern rubber on FH. This is the first rubber from Nexy I could say I would use on FH. Once production starts and it is on the market, I will be using Karis on FH wing. I could easily use it on BH wing to, but I generally use a control OFF rubber very low in price... so I can afford a more expensive rubber on FH.
@CF, even I cannot get anymoar sheets at the moment, but if you can find and use an NSA spy phone and learn the secret handshake, you might teach it to our CEO and maybe he can get a couple sheets for you on his next trip to your area.
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Posted By: LUCKYLOOP
Date Posted: 07/17/2016 at 8:32am
Can you get a reading on the moisture level content of the rubber of what percentage is water and other substances delineated ?
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Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 11/17/2016 at 9:28am
I am using the harder (M+) version of this rubber at the moment. I think people who used the original Joola Rhyzmn and miss the benefits of hard topsheet will welcome this rubber, as well as people for whom MX-P is not directly enough. It is not a Tenergy 05 replacement though. Definitely less spin on shorter strokes but far more direct in what it does and can do.
I will write a review after testing the softer/regular version, though the softer version is likely not that soft and the harder version is okay for my backhand (that said, I have used Big Dipper on my backhand before so note I don't minder harder rubbers on my backhand).
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Posted By: BH-Man
Date Posted: 11/17/2016 at 6:51pm
I slapped M+ on my Kim Jung Hoon and I am ready to use it for the NA Teams. Karis M+ is going to do me right. Very stable on both brush and solid impact strokes.
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Posted By: PingPongHolic10
Date Posted: 11/17/2016 at 10:08pm
I hit with Karis briefly when met up with BH-Man, and ended up liking Elpis more for mah forehand! review is up in below link sounds like K+ might be PPH would try on his RPB... so topsheet is same as Karis? just harder sponge? what about the weight?
http://pingpongholic.blogspot.com/2016/11/pphs-nexy-elpis-xiom-vega-asia-df.html" rel="nofollow -
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Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 11/18/2016 at 1:37am
I tried the medium version. It was fast but sort of just a backhand rubber. Maybe the hard one is much better like itc powercell mp
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Posted By: BH-Man
Date Posted: 11/18/2016 at 4:35pm
I weighed a sheet of M+ uncut. I think it was 63 grams uncut. Doesn't feel heavy.
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Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 11/18/2016 at 4:47pm
It's heavier than Tenergy 05 cut though. You may have got a light one. Mine is 66g. I think it might be sheet dimensions.
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Posted By: Crowsfeather
Date Posted: 11/18/2016 at 11:10pm
I ordered Karis+ a few moment ago. Karis(regular) is 43 deg plus is 47 deg.
In a month or so I will do a quick review with ITC premiere XR(I switch from lissom to this one for more power).
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Posted By: BH-Man
Date Posted: 11/19/2016 at 1:41am
Yup. Power is not the strong point of Lissom, Feel and control are huge though. Karis is truly worthy of being my FH rubber and bh-man is too picky on fh rubber.
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Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 11/19/2016 at 9:11pm
yogi_bear wrote:
I tried the medium version. It was fast but sort of just a backhand rubber. Maybe the hard one is much better like itc powercell mp |
This was not my impression at all. I could use it almost the same way I used the M+. IT definitely comes down to sponge hardness preference. I think that people should stop speaking about backhand rubbers and talk about sponge preference.
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Posted By: BH-Man
Date Posted: 11/19/2016 at 10:29pm
NL, did the post service strap The Karis M to the back of a turtle, or give it to the daredevil speedboat operator?
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Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 11/20/2016 at 7:23pm
It took two days as expected. Sent on Thursday, got it on Saturday.
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Posted By: BH-Man
Date Posted: 11/22/2016 at 5:09pm
I slapped a sheet of M+ on the new to market Nexy RUBICON and it was good stuff on FH. The ST handle model I got was control on FH and a hot rod on BH.
EDIT: It was the M version (softer and no as top end easy to blast) and wow, that does really well vs incoming Topspin, feel like a Boss.
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Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 11/25/2016 at 8:17pm
That I am probably playing better with the softer version of Karis tells me that my strokes really suck.
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Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 11/25/2016 at 8:57pm
NextLevel wrote:
That I am probably playing better with the softer version of Karis tells me that my strokes really suck. |
Why??
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Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 11/25/2016 at 9:59pm
According to some, it is a backhand rubber and pros play with harder sponge.
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Posted By: bogeyhunter
Date Posted: 11/28/2016 at 8:03pm
A few videos of me using Karis for 2nd time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYRzc-WFjac
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mKQ5aNSWlA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKP5ciRARt8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AF2b95SRD4
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Posted By: BH-Man
Date Posted: 11/29/2016 at 1:50pm
bogeyhunter wrote:
A few videos of me using Karis for 2nd time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYRzc-WFjac
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mKQ5aNSWlA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKP5ciRARt8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AF2b95SRD4 |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYRzc-WFjac" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYRzc-WFjac
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mKQ5aNSWlA" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mKQ5aNSWlA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKP5ciRARt8" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKP5ciRARt8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AF2b95SRD4" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AF2b95SRD4
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Posted By: BH-Man
Date Posted: 11/29/2016 at 1:57pm
I used Karis on FH for NA Teams despite only using it one week prior to tourney. Went 12-6 with expected results and 4-5 upset wins. Very direct and stable rubber, required little adjustment coming from MX-P on FH.
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Posted By: Crowsfeather
Date Posted: 11/29/2016 at 9:47pm
I'm not doing the Asian jokebut Boogeyhunter and his opponent resemble me of himself playing himself. Reconized,"oh that's him",when he turn to camera.
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Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 12/06/2016 at 12:18pm
This is a solid rubber - I don't think a huge Tenergy rubber fan will like it, and I am not sure how well it compares to Airoc Astro M and S, which I suspect are closely related. In fact, when I read the reviews of Astro M and S, I laughed because the way I felt about the M spinning better than the M+ in some ways which many people seem to find for the Airoc saying the S is better than the M.
The topsheet is harder than the usual rubbers, make it less bouncy and great for pushing. The rubber is extremely direct and precise - you can pretty much aim the ball exactly where you want it to go and control the arc. I think some people who like aspects of OVA or similar hard sponged rubbers will like both the M and M+. There is good but not strong catapult but the balance fits my game very well as I like to take good swings at the ball.
The topsheet grip is excellent - similar to the OVA and Tenergies with little slippage. The arc is lower than modern rubbers but easier to control. People who like to play with extreme brush will actually like this rubber as the feeling of brush is what it is designed to support. It doesn't have the easy spin of Tenergy but the spin you get is definitely what you asked for and the way from the table looping is pretty precise. It takes some practice to get some of the arcs that you might be used to from high throw rubbers, but you can get them, you just have to create them. IT reminds me of Joola Rhyzm (the original) or Tibhar Aurus.
Again, since I have major short game and over the table issues with Tenergy, this has been a major improvement for me. I don't think this will be true for everyone. Also, people who have used Airoc Astro may not find much of a difference, but I have. I have had great results playing with both the M and the M+, better results with the M, but still great results with both. If you are someone who used a slower blade because you hated the bounciness of Tenergy, this could have you using a faster blade again (I have gone back to true OFF-/OFF blades as my short game and blocking have improved with this rubber).
The M is ighter and I don't think you are missing much if you pick it over the M+, but that is just me. I use both interchangeably without losing sleep, putting the M+ on my lighter blades and the M on my heavier blades.
The rubber is only $50 from Nexyusa.com. Feel free to give it a try and if control issues are what holds you back, definitely look into this. I do get heavy spin with it (no one has told me recently that my spin game has suffered - one of my practice partners said that initially because of the lower arc but he still blocks my loops off the table.)
REcommended for loopers who like the feeling of hard topsheets and precise control.
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Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 12/06/2016 at 12:47pm
I have no idea if I like harder topsheets. What other rubbers are in that category and what is that good for?
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Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 12/06/2016 at 1:12pm
With the harder topsheets the feeling of the contact is more consistent. The spin reactivity in the short game is less but you need to do more to stretch the top sheet, so you don't get a lot of spin on shorter strokes. You have to work a little harder to stretch the top sheet but the rewards are great when you do.
I gave Rhyzm and Aurus as examples. The -P evolutions somewhat qualify as well.
I have only used this for 3 weeks though, maybe 2. Don't know about durability. But I just play better with it for the strokes I have issues with and can make up the difference on offense.
One of the things that both BH Man and myself (him coming from MX-P and me coming from Tenergy 80) was that the rubber is extremely easy to adapt to. I decided to use it after 3 days of playing with it at my club and in a league and none of my Butterfly teammates felt that I was playing worse because of the switch. BH Man did something similar and he played well at the NA Teams. I switched to a faster blade after using it and have had some of my best match results in the last week or so (I struggled to keep the ball short or push low with these faster blades and Tenergies but don't have such problems with the Karis, speaking relatively).
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Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 12/07/2016 at 2:31pm
The more I investigate, the more it seems that there is a Japanese factory making these rubbers and the three that I have found so far in the family are:
1. TSP Regalis 2. Airoc Astro 3. Nexy Karis
I haven't tried the first two, but they most likely all have different topsheet pimple structures and maybe slightly different sponges. Someone descriibed Regalis this way on ooakforum:
"You have to play with it a few sessions to see its full potential. More linear than ESN, not as "dead" as chinese rubbers, easier to play than all Tenergys... high end for the "average joe". "
I think am on that bandwagon.
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Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 12/07/2016 at 5:03pm
Could be perfect for me. But it seems nobody here ever buys Nexy stuff, and I like to try stuff before I buy.
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Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 12/26/2016 at 3:35pm
VictorK,
What are your thoughts on the rubber since you switched to it?
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Posted By: VictorK
Date Posted: 12/26/2016 at 7:09pm
NextLevel wrote:
VictorK,
What are your thoughts on the rubber since you switched to it? |
I've only played with these rubbers 4-5 times, which for me isn't enough to develop strong opinions about equipment. I'm also experimenting by playing M and M+ interchangeably on BH and FH. My preliminary impressions are as follows:
- These rubbers (especially M+) have slightly different feel than some other inverted rubbers I've played with recently (i.e. the Tibhar Evolution series). It took me 2-3 playing sessions to better appraciate and get used to M+, while I had a pretty good grasp of M at the end of my first practice - Both rubbers are very linear (neither bouncy nor dead) - you get what you put into the stroke. This behavior makes them quite controllable in both short and long game, plus it makes it very easy for me to understand why a particular shot doen't land on the table - M+ is noticeably faster and firmer than M, and has lower trajectory - M is very easy to spin with both close to the table and at mid-distance, but you need to put something (not a lot, though) into every stroke in order to get decent result. As long as my form is correct, I can loop with that rubber all day and not miss much ... until my arm starts aching - M+ requires a little more conviction, especially racket speed in order land quality shots, but it will handsomely reward good wind up and follow through, in which case it's as powerful as any other fast rubber I've ever played with. - Both rubbers block well, but again, I can't just stick the racket and let the ball bounce of the rubber (like can be done with some bouncy rubbers, i.e. Tenergy) - good blocks need at least some forward motion - I think that at this time I have slight preference for the M version, because it's fast enough for me for either wing, and because of the great control I get with it (I'm more of a control than power player), plus it requires less effort from my old body, but my opinion might change as I continue playing with both rubbers.
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Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 12/26/2016 at 7:33pm
Sounds like we reached similar conclusions. I settled on M, it's only the blade speed decision that is still open.
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Posted By: VictorK
Date Posted: 12/29/2016 at 8:37pm
NextLevel wrote:
Sounds like we reached similar conclusions. I settled on M, it's only the blade speed decision that is still open. |
I've had 4 more practice sessions with Karis M+ on FH and M on BH, and the the more I play with the M+ the more I like it. I still like the M on either side as much as I liked it from the beginning, which is quite a lot.
I think I'm liking M+ more and more because a) I'm getting used to it, and b) I have a feeling (no sure though) that the topsheet might need few hours of play to break in.
Tonight, I had the first opportunity to play with Karis against chopper (~2100 level) and had absolutely no problem lifting heavy underspin with either side or driving with power through higher returns. However, what I liked the most is that my drop shots were very short and accurate, probably because the rubbers are very predictable and not bouncy.
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Posted By: BH-Man
Date Posted: 12/29/2016 at 11:24pm
I have M+ and M on the Rubicon. I can play either rubber on FH. It is almost a mood thing, but lately, I have been valuing slower shots landing.
M is a beast vs incoming topspin. I just time the ball and go through it, now I have a mean counter topspin.
M+ has more pop, plus a huge boatload of spin on my big swings
M is not a rocket, but the spin is there, the shots land, and still trouble opponents.
M+ can react very well to change in grip pressure on blocks and middle shots.
That is my simple summary. I can play with either, never have I liked a Nexy rubber on FH enough to use it there (always used Elpis on BH) now I got two rubbers I like there, I could flip a coin and play it out.
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Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 12/30/2016 at 12:02am
I like to use the same rubber on both sides. THat is why I settled on the M.
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Posted By: sspark80
Date Posted: 12/30/2016 at 9:10am
Hi. Can anyone compare the M version to Rhyzm 425?
Thanks.
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Posted By: Crowsfeather
Date Posted: 12/31/2016 at 12:53am
My Review on Karis M+ 2.2 I myself is not a professional player, but a local player that has no consistency at all !!!
Nice glossy package, the sheet itself is not glossy rubber and sponge looks like it is airoc!!(same company???) Top sheet is tense, well grip, not tacky. Sponge is porous, smaller than those tensor variant(eg MXP Rasant BF).No or little bit of funky booster smell. Did not weight the rubber , but it's a bit on the heavy side.(after attached with paddle).
I finally had time, to run some club practice and games. Set up : ITC Premiere XR / BH old victas V15 / FH Karis M+ 2.2
Warm up hit, rubber is not really fast if you have been playing with MXP Bluefire or Rasant. It might be the same level of those baracuda or rakza, a bit faster than vega series. Catapult effect does exist a bit(when engaging sponge) Overall feel is close to Xiom OV tour and remind me of MXS, RGrip which Karas has a bit more catapult. Ease of spinning is great, even without tacky surface, need you arm working a little for sponge engagement( and it is just fine). A bit high throw, not ridiculously T05 throw.On serving doesn't took much effort on ball spin. Top spin on both near and far is easy. Opening loop is easy (if you do not miss your position and working hard for your loop) just love how it curve - landing - and pop!!.
Blocking , I used to play with much more catapult/speed rubber > (MXP I mean) and usually go aggressive punch block. I have to use more arm speed/wrist acceleration. But when come to passive block Karis allows me to place the ball. It is very predictable !!! Short game and service receive is easy, it not bouncy at all.
Inconclusion : I wrote this review to confirm previous review just to say I agree. Karis is not the fastest or spiniest rubber out there. But a user friendly rubber that is a jack of all trades. It's not euro rubber replacement for Chinese rubber(fast soft sponge with mild tacky thin topsheet.) It's just better than that.
To be warn, try 2.0 if you don't have solid technique or you are now developing player because this rubber require your effort for full potential.
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Posted By: VictorK
Date Posted: 01/03/2017 at 4:22pm
Here's a video of a match I (in blue shirt) played using Karis M+ (fh) and M (bh) mounted on Nexy Calix II against a modern defender (in Nexy uniform, using Nexy Lissom Oversize blade).
I feel that the Karis rubbers provide me lots of versatility to play against defenders (loops with different amount of spin, pushes, drop shots, smashes, blocks ...), while at the same time give me enough speed to power through the defense, when appropriate.
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Posted By: MCollins
Date Posted: 01/03/2017 at 4:58pm
The rally ending at 6:20 looked like a lot of fun.
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Posted By: Purett
Date Posted: 01/03/2017 at 7:46pm
when i grow up i want to be this good
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Posted By: Purett
Date Posted: 01/03/2017 at 7:48pm
are these guys above 1100 ? and my new years resolution was to break 1100
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Posted By: VictorK
Date Posted: 01/03/2017 at 9:53pm
Purett wrote:
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I have good news for you Purett - you don't need to grow up!!! You're already "this good" :o)
Now, do you think I will get better when/if I grow up?
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Posted By: Purett
Date Posted: 01/03/2017 at 10:10pm
damn my new years resolution isn't working victorK ruined it
that means i wont be 1100 this year
oh well maybe next year
and yes you can get better victor but only if you get younger
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Posted By: bogeyhunter
Date Posted: 01/04/2017 at 7:22am
VictorK wrote:
Here's a video of a match I (in blue shirt) played using Karis M+ (fh) and M (bh) mounted on Nexy Calix II against a modern defender (in Nexy uniform, using Nexy Lissom Oversize blade).
I feel that the Karis rubbers provide me lots of versatility to play against defenders (loops with different amount of spin, pushes, drop shots, smashes, blocks ...), while at the same time give me enough speed to power through the defense, when appropriate.
https://youtu.be/1qK1PQj3wAw" rel="nofollow - https://youtu.be/1qK1PQj3wAw < id="_npfido" ="applicationpfido" height="0"> |
Wanna see a defender using Karis? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AF2b95SRD4
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Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 01/04/2017 at 9:07am
One suggestion I would make for Nexy is to put a stamp on the back of the rubber to indicate if it is M or M+. I bought a sheet of each to try out. Then, like an idiot forgot that I had one M+ and one M (because I normally use the same rubber on both sides). Then like an idiot, I got them mixed up while gluing. So I don't know which sheet is M and which one is M+ (the glue is drying now as I write this). I imagine I will be able to tell easily enough once I play with them. But for sure it will be a blind test because I just don't know right now which one is which. Of course, the top sheets are the same and both have the same 94-005 code.
Probably Nexy assumes people putting the rubber on are not idiots, but obviously this is not a good assumption.
First impression is that right out of the package there is a slight dome to the rubber but no discernible smell.
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Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 01/04/2017 at 9:17am
Weigh 'em. Not 100%, better than nothing.
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Posted By: VictorK
Date Posted: 01/04/2017 at 9:19am
Baal wrote:
One suggestion I would make for Nexy is to put a stamp on the back of the rubber to indicate if it is M or M+ .... .... I imagine I will be able to tell easily enough once I play with it. But for sure it will be a blind test because I just don't know.
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I agree with your suggestion. Actually, I would love to see sponge hardness (M vs. M+) indicated on the front of the rubber (bottom of the topsheet), as it's the case for most other rubbers, i.e. Tenergy 05 vs. 05fx.
And yes, I think you should be able to tell quite easily which one is which after hitting few rallies.
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Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 01/04/2017 at 9:37am
I can tell that one side is faster than the other just by bouncing a ball on my blade. That must be the M side.
A couple of other first impressions. I had forgotten how much easier it was to glue down and cut rubbers with thin-pore sponges like this one. A very nice feature.
Pips on the inside are incredibly short (I've never seen anything like it before) and they have a shape that is somewhere between a circle and a hexagon. The topsheet therefore, overall, is very thin.
Just bouncing a ball , I am excited to try this stuff. (Not much of a test, I know, but first impression is good). By the way, I will be trying it out on a ZJK-ALC blade with a straight handle.
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Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 01/04/2017 at 10:44am
AndySmith wrote:
Weigh 'em. Not 100%, better than nothing. |
Yes. M+ us heavier.
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Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 01/04/2017 at 9:53pm
Once I played tonight it was obvious which was which, like ViktorK said. Obvious on the very first ball.
I agree with pretty much everything other people have said about these rubbers on this thread, at least based on my first hit with these rubbers tonight (which might be a bit premature but I will go on anyway).
They are not real fast, not unusually spinny (although certainly spinny and grippy enough), but they are incredibly predictable, which became clear to me within a few minutes. That is the thing Nexy talked about in his threads on what he was trying to achieve when he developed the rubber. I have to admit I was very skeptical about that when I read it. (To be honest, I strongly suspected that it was self-aggrandizing BS). But having tried Karis, I now think he has accomplished what he set out to do, and his descriptions ring very true once you try this stuff. Not just the descriptions of Karis, but how it is different from Tenergy and ESN rubbers.
Because of the predictability of the rubber, I was able to keep the ball on the table really well tonight. When I wanted to hit slow, the ball went slow, and it went where I aimed it. When I swung harder, the ball went faster, and there was no non-linearity to it, which is a marked contrast to the MX-P I have been using. One of the places this really showed up is against my opponent's good shots. I brought a lot more of them back and lived to battle longer in the point. In general I kept the ball on the table, and also, but I also felt like I was able to be a bit more deceptive as to where I was going to place the ball. I was hitting really good angles. From one night of play, the only downside, and I think it is temporary, is the sense that some of my shots lacked the penetration I would get with Tenergy or MX-P. Also, it seemed like I was hitting my forehand flatter than usual, probably subconsciously trying for more power. But, when I got good body rotation that was not a problem, and in any case, it is better to keep the ball on the table and win more points than it is to look spectacular winning a few points. This sense of very linear control was present on every single shot. Loops, counters, blocks, short game, serve, return, push. I will need to work hard to get good body rotation on my opening loops in particular, this stuff definitely does not reward lazy technique.
As for M vs. M+, given what I have been playing with for the last decade, M+ is a step too far. I definitely preferred M. Actually, as the evening went on, I was more comfortable with M on the FH side and M+ on the BH side, which is a bit odd since M+ is distinctly harder, but I plan to use M on both sides for awhile and see how this goes. Just need to order another sheet of M.
So for the first night, I am very pleasantly surprised and happy with this stuff. Time will tell if I continue to feel this way (and I need to try it against a few different and stronger players than I faced tonight). But for now, a definite thumbs up.
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Posted By: VictorK
Date Posted: 01/05/2017 at 11:16am
Baal wrote:
As for M vs. M+, given what I have been playing with for the last decade, M+ is a step too far. I definitely preferred M. Actually, as the evening went on, I was more comfortable with M on the FH side and M+ on the BH side, which is a bit odd since M+ is distinctly harder, but I plan to use M on both sides for awhile and see how this goes. Just need to order another sheet of M.
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@Baal - I had very similar first impression - by being more comfortable with M than with M+ after my first practice. I suspect that if you give M+ few more playing sessions, you'll get more comfortable with it, as I did.
I'm not sure whether it's the minor adjustments I needed to make, or the topsheet needed to break in before I could use the firmer sponge well, or a combination of both, but I definitely got much better appreciation for M+ (and control of it) after 3-4 playing sessions. Having said so, I wouldn't be surprised if you end up with M on both sides, given how easy it is to play with.
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Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 01/05/2017 at 12:23pm
Could be. I've already ordered another sheet of M, and in general I like the same rubber on both sides.
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Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 01/05/2017 at 1:40pm
I started out with M+ on both sides and liked it, but felt that it was harder than ideal. Like Baal, I like the same rubber on both sides and I was pleasantly surprised that the M checked the boxes for me. I am a spin player and hardly ever drive the ball past anyone so I was okay with getting a faster blade to make up the deficit.
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Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 01/05/2017 at 1:41pm
By the way, anyone in Philly looking for a good deal on Karis, feel free to contact me.
EDIT: THE OFFER IS STRICTLY FOR PEOPLE LIVING IN PHILADELPHIA.
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Posted By: lineup32
Date Posted: 02/03/2018 at 4:30pm
playing with the M version on a Roots 6 Basalt for 6 months on both sides. This week I changed to the H version both sides on a Roots 3 offensive blade (all wood about 15% softer then Roots 6) tested this morning at the local club was impressed how easy it was to play with and my opponent mentioned several times that he was impressed with the speed both BH and FH. I prefer the H version on the softer blade I did try it on the Roots 6 FH and it worked fine but when I added Karis H to the BH as well it had a odd feeling the BH rubber suddenly felt hard but on the softer blade Karis H having Karis H on both sides didn't seem to matter. I am using the Bk for FH and Red for BH.
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Posted By: Tinykin
Date Posted: 10/09/2018 at 5:23am
Are you all still enamoured with the Karis M? I have had a a sheet for a few months that I've tried on various blades. I am coming from a Hurricane H8 phase but recently tried the Karis on my main blade, Xiom ZX1. All I can say is that I finally get what you guys are talking about. It does everything competently. It's ideal for players like me whose TT is mostly playing league matches where tactics are about accurate pushes short/long combined with consistent topspin. Excellent.
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Posted By: ericd937
Date Posted: 10/12/2018 at 8:21am
Where is the cheapest place to buy it?
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