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Topic: One Sided Table Tennis
Posted By: JKC
Subject: One Sided Table Tennis
Date Posted: 08/29/2016 at 7:37am
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Me and Fred Yesterday. I can still take him out away from the table though. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34kRbLNCcpk" rel="nofollow - Fred 49 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGShBxEKnDk%20rel=" rel="nofollow - I once could serve |
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Posted By: suds79
Date Posted: 08/29/2016 at 9:07am
| Pretty wicked serve at 0:25 in the video. Disguised it well. |
Posted By: JKC
Date Posted: 08/29/2016 at 9:58am
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He does have some really good serves. I'm a pretty good returner of serves and I face them around 5 times a week and still can't pick the one that goes away from me. The one that comes back in to me tends to get me right in the crossover point and then there is one straight down the line that tends to win the point outright also. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34kRbLNCcpk" rel="nofollow - Fred 49 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGShBxEKnDk%20rel=" rel="nofollow - I once could serve |
Posted By: BeaverMD
Date Posted: 08/29/2016 at 10:17am
| Any league/tournament matches with other juniors? |
Posted By: JKC
Date Posted: 08/29/2016 at 11:21am
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No. I never record his matches. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34kRbLNCcpk" rel="nofollow - Fred 49 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGShBxEKnDk%20rel=" rel="nofollow - I once could serve |
Posted By: BeaverMD
Date Posted: 08/29/2016 at 1:15pm
| That's too bad. It's always good to see how players perform under pressure. Or what their tendencies are when they're down 10-9 or something like that. Oh well, nice video nonetheless. |
Posted By: Tt Gold
Date Posted: 08/30/2016 at 5:31am
| Obviously he looks way better here, that what he would look like in real matches against a good attacking player.There were so many points were he would have lost against an attacker, where the man just played the ball on the table instead of putting pressure on him.His serves are mostly long so he definitely needs to improve on his serves and receive game. |
Posted By: JKC
Date Posted: 08/30/2016 at 6:45am
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I'm sorry, but you are seriously underestimating the quality of and spin on his serves and the unpredictability of his ball placement during general play if you think I should be able to attack more. Had I been some noob that he was playing then you would be correct, but I was ranked in the top 150 in England when playing competitively with a victory over a player ranked 13 in the country and also an 11-0 win over the number 3 woman an the country in competitive matches. I believe also that I am playing better than ever. As for videoing his matches, it isn't something I ever plan to do. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34kRbLNCcpk" rel="nofollow - Fred 49 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGShBxEKnDk%20rel=" rel="nofollow - I once could serve |
Posted By: Tt Gold
Date Posted: 08/30/2016 at 6:59am
| There were a lot of points were you could have put pressure on him, but didn't. |
Posted By: JKC
Date Posted: 08/30/2016 at 9:02am
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As a player, do you always get to do what you want? Or does the ability of your opponent ever prevent you from doing exactly what you want to do. i do object also to being told I am not a good attacking player which I am, just not able to be when pinned on my crossover with serves and kept guessing where he is hitting the ball. If you do not understand the difference, then you must play a very simple version of the game. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34kRbLNCcpk" rel="nofollow - Fred 49 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGShBxEKnDk%20rel=" rel="nofollow - I once could serve |
Posted By: Tassie52
Date Posted: 08/30/2016 at 7:46pm
| Over the years, I've watched many of Fred's videos. I've always refrained from commenting. Why? Because I'm smart enough to know that you, JKC, and nowadays Fred know a thousand times more than I ever will. Which is why I find it so amusing when others post "advice", sorting out Fred's problems and criticising a kid who could take them apart with his right hand. |
Posted By: JKC
Date Posted: 08/31/2016 at 3:54am
He went away to an England training camp last week and came back with more confidence in his forehand. He does seem to have increases his rotation which has given him more consistency when hitting hard. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34kRbLNCcpk" rel="nofollow - Fred 49 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGShBxEKnDk%20rel=" rel="nofollow - I once could serve |
fatt wrote:Posted By: Tt Gold
Date Posted: 08/31/2016 at 5:43am
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Posted By: JKC
Date Posted: 08/31/2016 at 5:49am
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In your initial reply, you clearly say that 'in a real match against a good attacker....' which would imply that you think that I am not a good attacker. you probably need to watch a few less pro vids and come back into the real world when judging what other forum members are capable of. although you look at the vid and see someone not moving into position to hit a more positive shot taking a backhand rather than a forehand or blocking rather than being more attacking, my shots are very deceptive. Though the swing is short, the wrist is very quick and there is a lot more spin than you think on my shots. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34kRbLNCcpk" rel="nofollow - Fred 49 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGShBxEKnDk%20rel=" rel="nofollow - I once could serve |
Posted By: Tt Gold
Date Posted: 08/31/2016 at 6:41am
| Well I could have worded it better so sorry for misunderstanding,but im not thinking that you should play like a pro.I just told you what other good attackers( doesn't mean your not good)would have done.You don't have to be a pro to make two more steps and finish the ball of with a forehand. |
Posted By: JKC
Date Posted: 08/31/2016 at 7:04am
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When a ball is there to be finished I will finish and when there is time to take 2 steps and hit a forehand then I will if the ball received is suitable. As it wasn't, there wasn't and it wasn't, then I didn't. You must be a much better player than me to be able to do these things. If you have a video of you playing, please share a link so I can learn. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34kRbLNCcpk" rel="nofollow - Fred 49 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGShBxEKnDk%20rel=" rel="nofollow - I once could serve |
Posted By: Tt Gold
Date Posted: 08/31/2016 at 7:28am
| I'm just saying that if the kid plays against physically fit players that are fast, he has to deal with those things.Also your assumption wouldn't fit for everyone.Just because someone can do something better that someone doesn't mean he is generally better.I know guys that have better serves than me, but that doesn't mean that they are better. |
Posted By: JKC
Date Posted: 08/31/2016 at 8:51am
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And I'm just saying that I don't know your level and whether you are able to do the things that you are suggesting I do and whether you understand the quality of the ball you are asking me to do it against. So until I know your standard and whether you make your suggestions based on your own ability and experience or from watching a few vids and deciding that this is how the game should be played I will stick to a game that I know is effective for me. There is a whole lot more to being a good player than looking like a good player. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34kRbLNCcpk" rel="nofollow - Fred 49 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGShBxEKnDk%20rel=" rel="nofollow - I once could serve |
Posted By: Tt Gold
Date Posted: 08/31/2016 at 3:31pm
| There is Not "one right"way to play the game.I'm saying that the stroke you've chosen at that point was not the best one, but I understand that the suggestion I have made, requires a certain level of physical fitness. |
Posted By: JKC
Date Posted: 08/31/2016 at 3:55pm
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That's it, keep hammering away at the physical fitness route rather than the skill route. You have clearly lost the argument and failed (in this thread as well as others which I have read) to demonstrate much more than a rudimentary knowledge of our sport. Keep trying though and when you feel up to it post a vid of yourself for us to enjoy. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34kRbLNCcpk" rel="nofollow - Fred 49 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGShBxEKnDk%20rel=" rel="nofollow - I once could serve |
Posted By: Tt Gold
Date Posted: 08/31/2016 at 4:03pm
| What happened there? |
Posted By: JKC
Date Posted: 08/31/2016 at 4:13pm
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Must find that thread again if it hasn't been removed. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34kRbLNCcpk" rel="nofollow - Fred 49 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGShBxEKnDk%20rel=" rel="nofollow - I once could serve |
Posted By: JKC
Date Posted: 08/31/2016 at 4:54pm
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Probably best to let sleeping dogs lie. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34kRbLNCcpk" rel="nofollow - Fred 49 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGShBxEKnDk%20rel=" rel="nofollow - I once could serve |
Posted By: Tt Gold
Date Posted: 08/31/2016 at 5:11pm
| Wise words |
Posted By: Tassie52
Date Posted: 08/31/2016 at 7:13pm
I predict there will be no video from Tt Gold, precisely because he can't do half of what you can. Which is the point I made previously. Armchair experts can all play better than the pros - until you ask them to post a video. He obviously missed the post where you gave your credentials, or else is so arrogant he still thinks he knows better than you do.
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Posted By: JKC
Date Posted: 08/31/2016 at 7:37pm
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I don't worry too much, and I'm happy to debate with anyone about my game or Fred's. More debate = More views = More adsense money. lol. Fred is just looking forward to getting some new equipment to play with in the next few days, so he is keen to play as much as possible. He is also planning to make a service video so maybe I can learn to receive them better. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34kRbLNCcpk" rel="nofollow - Fred 49 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGShBxEKnDk%20rel=" rel="nofollow - I once could serve |
Posted By: Tt Gold
Date Posted: 08/31/2016 at 9:31pm
| Jkc funny how you can't take critique.Keep thinking that you know everything better.Oh I forgot you were in the top 150 in England, but I'm not going to start this as I might get banned by some butt hurt people that can't accept the fact that there countries....Anyways no point in talking to you anymore, even though it would be interesting to know where I failed with my posts.Bye. |
Posted By: kenneyy88
Date Posted: 08/31/2016 at 9:53pm
| Looks a lot stronger than in the past. Any physical training? or just getting older? |
Posted By: JacekGM
Date Posted: 08/31/2016 at 10:55pm
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I have just spent some time reading this... JKC indeed is a straight shooter. I must say that I pretty much agree with Tt Gold, am a little surprised he let it it go... interesting. The requirement for the commentator to be a very high level player in order to accept his/her remarks is simply absurd. This has been practiced here at times, by some macho/ pretentious types, but is just pathetic. The truth is the kid is very good, but it is also true that at this point in his development (physical, as a player, and mental) his game needs to be analyzed from all these angles, and going soft on him e.g. such that he can show his strong shots simply does not make sense. Instead, filming and analyzing his matches from real competitions has to be recommended, as Tt Gold pointed out. ------------- (1) Juic SBA (Fl, 85 g) with Bluefire JP3 (red max) on FH and 0.6 mm DR N Desperado on BH; (2) Yinhe T7 (Fl, 87 g) with Bluefire M3 (red 2.0) on FH and 0.6 mm 755 on BH. |
Posted By: benfb
Date Posted: 09/01/2016 at 1:36am
I don't want to get too deep into this argument because too much of this is being felt on a personal level and people are getting upset. Still, I'd like to make a few points: 1) It's impossible to post videos without being critiqued. You have to expect a lot of feedback that you don't like, don't agree with, or find insulting. And you have to be prepared that some of those comments may be true. Personally, I find it a lot more suspicious when people only post compliments. 2) Your skill level may be better than ever, but do you play with the same hunger -- the same ruthless will to win -- that you used in your more competitive days? If you're playing well, but not playing to kill, that will produce "highlight matches" that look good in video, but don't reflect competitive ability. I'm not saying this is the case here, but it's a possibility and you might not even realize it. 3) Let's suppose you're just playing "your" style, that has always served you well. Then it's likely your son has developed his own style in a way that specifically counters your style and that he knows how to find your weak points. What I see in the video is that your son never looks worried, never looks confused. That's what a tournament match video would reveal. Otherwise, it's really hard to see his full potential. That said, I did enjoy the video.
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Posted By: JKC
Date Posted: 09/01/2016 at 2:32am
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@kenny - he is just growing up and getting stronger. No specific physical training other than his other sporting activities. @JacekGM - When you go on your next flight, would like your pilot to have gone through many hundreds of hours of training or would you be happy with someone who has sat in the airport and watched a few planes fly in and out and maybe been along to the local air show? @benfb - Personally, I have absolutely no hunger at all. I don't even enjoy playing the game and probably didn't for the last 5 years of playing competitively. I have no problem at all being critiqued, but the person giving that critique must be able to understand what they are seeing otherwise it becomes ridiculous. @Tt Gold - Whatever!!! ------------- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34kRbLNCcpk" rel="nofollow - Fred 49 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGShBxEKnDk%20rel=" rel="nofollow - I once could serve |
Posted By: Tt Gold
Date Posted: 09/01/2016 at 7:08am
| Your post is ridiculous,seriously.your comparison to a pilot Ist stupid because that is not even close to the same thing.Your logic is implying that the guy that gives the tips has to be better than you.Well I guess rosskopf is also useless, because Timo is way better.See.And then you go on about how you can take criticism,yet you are blocking everything that has been said.If the suggestion was a good one and if it was well explained, then why don't accept it or at least argue why that's not possible.Insteat you come up with your logic that you need to know if the person is better than you.My suggestion wasn't unrealistic.I didn't say make 4 steps and play with angle into his forehand or counter off the bounce down the line.Those would be unrealistic thinks that can be ignored,but my suggestion was a very realistic one.Also it was just to show you what people would do if the kid ever played against aggressive physically fast fit young players.But your just going to make up some bs again. |
Posted By: JKC
Date Posted: 09/01/2016 at 7:23am
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I thought we had done with this yesterday until you started it all off again. People giving tips (or being critical in your case) don't need to be better than the person they give tips to, merely at a level to understand what they are looking at. I am not convinced from what you have said on this topic or on others that I have read you are able to interpret the complexity of what you are seeing. I am of course quite happy to look at any evidence you can show to show that you are qualified to do so. As all our other vids have been, this is just a few of the longer points (and more interesting happenings imo) condensed from 4 games when we were mucking about at the club. It is not a rigorous examination of what he can and cannot do, just what happened in our games. I don't video his games for analysis as I am there and watch. There is plenty to work on from what I see without getting into the minutiae provided by video evidence. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34kRbLNCcpk" rel="nofollow - Fred 49 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGShBxEKnDk%20rel=" rel="nofollow - I once could serve |
Posted By: Tt Gold
Date Posted: 09/01/2016 at 7:40am
| But my point is very realistic, which implies that my level of knowledge in table tennis is good.I don't get what your on about.You could still video tape his matches even if your coaching or watching him.Also helps to analyze his strength and weaknesses better. |
Posted By: Tt Gold
Date Posted: 09/01/2016 at 7:42am
| I guess you are only allowed to give positive feedback to people uploading there videos here.But I noticed that the better the level of play is the less people can take advice at least with people like you.Dont need to reply.Have a nice one. |
Posted By: JKC
Date Posted: 09/01/2016 at 8:09am
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Had your point been realistic (or valid) then we would not be having this discussion. In a court of law, an expert witness would be expected to have some expertise on a subject. If this expert turns out not to know what he is talking about then he is cross examined to determine this. Sadly you failed at this cross examination stage. People are quite welcome to give whatever feedback they like. Where that feedback is flawed for whatever reason then I am fully entitled to challenge it. As I said yesterday, discussion provides views and the more views then the bigger my bank transfer from adsense at the end of the month, so by all means feel free to reply. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34kRbLNCcpk" rel="nofollow - Fred 49 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGShBxEKnDk%20rel=" rel="nofollow - I once could serve |
Posted By: Tt Gold
Date Posted: 09/01/2016 at 8:29am
| So you're saying that a young physically fit player wouldn't be able to play that ball with his forehand?Well I guess you're holding on to the past too much. |
Posted By: JKC
Date Posted: 09/01/2016 at 8:49am
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I'm saying that you are over-simplifying the situation and making it sound like it is an easy skill to do against the quality of the ball received. When someone spends their time watching pro vids rather than actually playing the game then they become unrealistic about what to expect when watching vids of real players. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34kRbLNCcpk" rel="nofollow - Fred 49 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGShBxEKnDk%20rel=" rel="nofollow - I once could serve |
Posted By: Tt Gold
Date Posted: 09/01/2016 at 9:21am
| Oh come on my suggestion was definitely possible.But you'll see what I mean when the kid plays against those players😉 |
Posted By: suds79
Date Posted: 09/01/2016 at 9:25am
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Okay I think it's about time to let this thread die now. It was entertaining for a while but now it's just kinda getting boring going round and round. Both people are firmly dug in making the same points. TT Gold - "You're fat and should have ran around that ball to play the forehand." JKC - "Prove to me you're at least somewhat qualified to be giving pointers and not just an arm-chair QB." That's about the gist of it. Interesting for a while. Now just zzzzzzzz.
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Posted By: Tt Gold
Date Posted: 09/01/2016 at 9:39am
| 😂 |
Posted By: JKC
Date Posted: 09/01/2016 at 9:46am
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Quite happy to let it die, just didn't want the last post on the topic to be wrong at any stage. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34kRbLNCcpk" rel="nofollow - Fred 49 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGShBxEKnDk%20rel=" rel="nofollow - I once could serve |
Posted By: Tt Gold
Date Posted: 09/01/2016 at 9:52am
| You always have to have the last word I get it.im out |
Posted By: JKC
Date Posted: 09/01/2016 at 10:01am
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Yep. It's just that I'm back at work on Monday, so I need to get back in the habit of getting the better of cocky kids. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34kRbLNCcpk" rel="nofollow - Fred 49 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGShBxEKnDk%20rel=" rel="nofollow - I once could serve |
Posted By: roundrobin
Date Posted: 09/01/2016 at 6:42pm
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Since table tennis is often compared to chess...what's the fun of watching two chess players playing each other all the time? There's ZERO strategy in play. ------------- Current USATT Rating: 2181 Argentina National Team Member, 1985-1986. Current Club: Los Angeles Table Tennis Association. My Setup: Yinhe Q1 / T64 2.1 black / Saviga V 0.5mm red |
Posted By: roundrobin
Date Posted: 09/01/2016 at 6:44pm
Agreed. Looks like drills to me. ------------- Current USATT Rating: 2181 Argentina National Team Member, 1985-1986. Current Club: Los Angeles Table Tennis Association. My Setup: Yinhe Q1 / T64 2.1 black / Saviga V 0.5mm red |
Posted By: JKC
Date Posted: 09/01/2016 at 6:57pm
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Not drills just points from 4 games. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34kRbLNCcpk" rel="nofollow - Fred 49 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGShBxEKnDk%20rel=" rel="nofollow - I once could serve |