Blade and Rubbers.

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It looks like he is using Tenergy on a Zhang Jike blade?

I was surprised actually his technique is not Jpen but chinese penhold, with an interesting grip and wrist technique,

That's because his father, Qiu JianXin (the coach standing in the video) is a cpen specialist  but without the rpb.  

From the Lima Contender, the handle of his blade looks like a specially made INN layer alc.

Best penhold player outside china

Amazing to think that he achieved all this whilst not even focussing on the game full time whilst finishing high school. 

he plays with inner? i thought outer

He took Liang Jingkun 7 games at WTTC.  Granted, a few others (Calderano, Pitchford) did as well, but that is not easy and it isn't a given that Xu Xin is that much better at this stage of his career.

Meant 'officially' in the sense of WTT ranking. But I'd think he ought to have a good chance against Xu Xin in their current forms.

In his junior days? 

That is history.

GOOD analysis nonetheless. So both of them have similar winning % against Korean and Japanese players.

judging by recent results against top ranked players, most people would say Qiu is a better player than Wong right now. Qiu has improved a lot in the last 2 years.

No mention of Qiu Dang beating Ovtcharov, Calderano, Kallberg, Gauzy recently ? A few days ago he beat Dima 4:3 at the Lima Contender Final, someone whom Wong has never beaten in his career. Qiu Also made the singles final of another 2 events recently,  hence the big climb in his ranking. Would Wong beat these players with his current standard of play ? I highly doubt it.  When was the last time Wong won a singles title? A decade ago.?  Wong has been so bad in the last 4, 5 years that he exited

most ittf tournaments in the 1st or 2nd round. To say he was Overrated was an understatement.

You conveniently leave out the fact that Ovtcharov is just returning from a major injury and surgery which had him out for almost a year, both him and Calderano are not currently playing in any leagues, Pitchford and Gauzy are on major downturns in their career, and none of China was entered in this tournament, and most of the big guns were at the tournament in Zagreb that was being held simultaneously. 

When did WCT ever play in world tour events with this weak of a competition? Did WCT ever have a road to a championship that was comprised of the formidable foes of.... Hayate Suzuki, Kay Stumper, Ryoichi Yoshiyama, Kang Dongsoo, and then finally a hobbled and recovering Dima, who he barely squeaked by?

Be honest, you hadn't even heard of half of those players before that week.

Mr Zeio is making Wct look better than he is by listing all the doubles and mixed doubles achievements. LOL.

 

Yes, players like Lyj, Hugo, Harimoto have all lost to lowered ranked players. But their upsets rarely happen and they beat low ranked players most of time. The same can't be said about WCT .  First round exit to a low ranked player has been a norm for Wct in the last 4, 5 years. DON'T get me started on listing the dozens of low ranked players Wct has lost to in the last 4, 5 years. It's a long list.

Most people would disagree with you. Ito & Hayata are the 2 best players in Japan right now. 

Hirano has been figured out by the Chinese since her Asian championship victory. Hirano & Kasumi's  Winning % against the Chinese  has been pathetic in the last 4, 5  years. On the other hand,  Ito & Hayata has been the greatest threats to the Chinese in the last few years. They have the best winning ratios against cnt players (out of all Japanese players). 

Their high rankings are fully justified in my opinion.

The SF defeat, was already a ticket to go home.

3/4 place playoffs has always been very difficult

That match, LIN didn't even have his mind there, and Lin that time was not a super star/top level player yet.

So no idea why someone is even taking a baby Lin of 2018 into context

Lin really only blossom afterwards.

I was not the only we could see he was overwhelmed / overrated as a top top 10 player, so according to your logic  there are many liers here. 

If Dang is not the best penhold player outside China right now,  who is it then ? He Zhi WEN ? Felix Lebrun ?

Dang has a much better record than Wong in the last 2 years. Say what you like but right now Dang fully deserves his high ranking. Look at the players he has beaten in the last few months- Dima, Kallberg, Hugo. Can Wong beat any of these guys ? 

To be honest, I don't think Wong can even beat the Lebrun brothers right now. He is that bad.

You don't have any clue, mate. 

Kasumi has won 9 singles titles in a 15 years long career.

Hayata has already won 6 career singles titles in a relatively short 5 years career. 

If it weren't  for the Covid pandemic in the last 2, 3 years which restricted participation,  she would have surpassed Kasumi by now. 

She is also 8 years younger than Kasumi and playing at a higher level than Kasumi right now. Not to mention Hayata's much superior winning % against the Chinese players in the last few years. 

You spent too much time watching TV - the amber heard trial lol

I know Lin in person, so stop using a stupid example now of Lin and sit down

From a coaches angle, Hayata really does train with all her heart. Clearly shows a lot of effort when the camera isn't focusing.

Irrespective of Hayata's results, her training effort has my respect.

and it seems like no matter what forum, derailing of the topic has a common denominator

 

You the one started your nonsense with me, and you now want me to stay out of it?

Why don't you just ignore what I say, and YOU can stay out of it.

Any ways, I don't have much time to entertain you, I check this place like once a week or so now.
I really don't understand how you always have so much time to be stuck to a computer.

I give credit where it is due.

You do provide good contents

But you also love to wage on typing wars and it is irritating to read them.

Seems like 10 years ago and today, you are no different.

Yes, exactly. ZApenholder.

I missed your valid post, but then I saw your stupid arguments with mods and cry baby attitudes.

Your arguments every where with ever one just looks like a small child trying to seek attention.

I thought after few years, you would have matured some what.

Back then I really thought you were a teenage kid, today you still seem like one.

Any ways, I'm not here to stir nonsense, so find someone else to argue with.

If you want to talk about Lin, meet me in Taipei and we can see go see him in person.

Zeio is a 60 year old fart but behaves like an  immature teenager. 

No clue. What it matter is records in worlds and OG. Protour is kids playground. See niwa performance in big tournaments being destroyed 10  0 to dima.

No, it's a pissing contest.

The title of this thread is: QIU DANG........If I read well.

If the name of a thread is "qiu Dang", then it has to be dedicated to Qiu Dang otherwise it is called "trolling". That seems obvious , at least to me.....That means evrything in the thread must be related to Qiu Dang :matches, equipment, selections, injuries, style of play, improvment....but certainly not to Ishikawa or WCT results in his career.

But it seems you are a person who always wants to be right and have the last word, wathever the conversation and, as I don't have a lot of time to waste (because I have to work), let's say you are right.

The assessment is spot on once again.

Qiu has proven again he is the best penhold player outside of china. 

CONGRATULATIONS to the new European champion.

So what is the excuse this time? 

Qiu wins the European championship because of weak competition once again?? 

-The Bundesliga (the best player of Düsseldorf)

-The Champion's league

-1 contender WTT

-German championships

-European Championships

...By far the best European player (this year).

Best post on this thread by far...

Well, in CNT many somebody will just become another no body.

There is so many "drop outs" that made some space on the international scenery, some even became huge threats and beaten CNT in crucial events.
But within China's internal structure, they might not even make the CNT team.

This is what dreams and opportunity can do in a player. In CNT, majority will just become an employee listening to the boss and just become another contributor to the company/team by helping the main players win. And if the main players win, you have done your country/job proud and remain a nobody.

This is why I think for Chinese players's sake, ITTF/WTT should become an individual sport and not controlled by national team structure - which also provide limitations to how individuals actually takes part,  and have dreams scattered because your boss don't believe in you (internal politics would also not come into play here).

Tennis/Golf is a good example - each player becomes they own unit, get own funding, own coach, own agent, manager, trainer etc, and see who comes up on top.

Yeah, Ma Long and Fzd are not on the list as well, wct must be better than both of them.  Leading Overrated Player, that is who he is. 

While many other players will need to play a 2nd match, thus have around 10 matches (and not being rested)

This is why individual players ranking was removed as FTW ended with more points than say the champion team players (China). So if ITTF has decided this change in ranking point by individual players as no longer going to happen, then why WTT is still focusing on individual ranking that doesn't make sense nor gives the individual player any reward.

The logic isn't perfect for knockouts but I am not entirely against it.  In many league or Swiss-pairing systems, they are trying to give incentive to an MVP, or the player who helps his team the most with an outstanding performance.  The player is almost never the best player (depending on how the ranking is done) if you use a metric like wins and losses rather than something that has some expert input, but it is good/fun to reward performances.  

Well, ITTF disagree with you, hence they removed individual ranking point allocation, to prevent awarding a non Chinese to get more wins than Chinese players.

if Ma Long played every match, and only has 1 match (China has 3-0 all the way to the final). He would still not have over 8 matches (4 groups and 4 ko), unlike some players would have 8 matches in group stages already.

You can't weigh player 2 matches, because your team can't win 3-0 over a player who only need to play 1 match. For the sake of MVP, maybe Chinese players need to start loosing, to boost they number 1 player to win 2 matches each time?
Maybe rather have win %, and sort by team ranking?

So, having said that, those 2 matches should equate to lower the value as a 1 match (with team 3-0) wins.

No idea how they going to do that, but you can't have an MVP like Feng, on the loosing team, while an all 3-0 in all 8 matches doesn't even give you more wins than Feng, thus ranked/rated lower.

 

Qiu has 4 wins so far, so he could move up with his next win. Several other players have 4 wins as well.

I think it's just for fun but it's still interesting to look at, at least to me. The highest on the list arguably (and objectively speaking) did the most for their respective teams in this tournament. The players for the strongest countries will be there at the end, as teams get eliminated.

If you feel the ITTF disagrees with me, I suspect you really didn't understand what I wrote or put a meaning to it that I didn't intend.  In any case, it is okay, we don't have to agree on this issue.  

In the past, the Elo system used to adjust for this fairly easily.  However, for a point ranking system to adapt for this is difficult, and I think the prior attempt was terrible of giving points per win.  However, a table that shows people's wins and losses and argues that the players with more wins are doing good work for the teams is still a good table, even if it has obvious limitations.  The question is whether it has any implications beyond being a table and as far as I know, the table at the current tournament doesn't have any special implications other than to promote player efforts in matches.

My take as well.  Soccer has a very similar thing where the highest goalscorer may play for a team that doesn't go anywhere in a tournament.

a players play time vs performance in team sports is different to table tennis where players don't play the same amount of matches/games.

If they play equal the amount of matches, then maybe, just maybe an MVP would make sense. other than that, that table has no purpose (ie, each 3 players, playing 3 matches, so total 9 matches that are played even after a team wins would provide a fair platform to choose your mvp)

Now back to table tennis, any one who has played teams before, would know that the players placement is very strategic - why? for the team to win, not the players win/loose table.

IE, you might put a better player in match 3, to play against your opponents weaker player and to make sure you take that point.
or, what is the purpose of taking your 2nd best player, to play against the best  and 2nd best of opponent, where the wins for both is unlikely.

So you could sacrifice a player to loose 2, and aim for your other 2 players to win 3.
France vs Germany was like that, but the French playing 3 failed and that was the main match that caused Germany to win - that guarantee point was not secured.

Table tennis team events can't be compared to team sports because team events are not team sports (yes, sarcasm)...

There is absolutely nothing wrong with pointing out who scored the most goals in the World Cup and giving them an award.  Does that make them the best player or goalscorer?  Of course not.  Same with pointing out the player who has won the most team matches.  Even in world cup, some teams go out in the first or second round while others may go out in the finals.  But the world cup doesn't say because someone scored 7 goals in 7 matches and another guy scored 5 in 3 matches that the 7 goals are fewer.

I get that you don't like the individual awards, but let's stop making arguments just because we don't like the ITTF.  If they wanted a most valuable player award, like most tournaments in any sport, they would put it to a vote of experts.  If they don't put it to a vote and they just want to reward players with the most wins, obviously that has issues, but many things have issues.  Even expert voting has issues.

Even in soccer, sometimes you play formations that reduce the utility of your best scorers etc.  We don't have to like how the ITTF selects or ranks the players in these events, but we need to stop acting like these issues are not common to sports in general - they are not special to table tennis.

haha, spot on!

if your name appears on the list, it means your team can't do the job properly and win 3-0