New BTY 2016 Items.
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Topic: New BTY 2016 Items.
Posted By: Crowsfeather
Subject: New BTY 2016 Items.
Date Posted: 09/15/2016 at 11:54pm
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http://www.butterfly.co.jp/product/2016aw/
Innerforce ALC.S ??????? what ??? Super ALC ??? Innerforce ZLF another rebranded LWS New short pips. New lezoline shoes. ------------- I'm no longer an EJ and I'm proud . |
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Posted By: zeio
Date Posted: 09/16/2016 at 12:11am
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The S in the ALC.S stands for Spin. For spin, pair with T05. For balance, pair with T64. ------------- Viscaria FL - 91g + Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 09/16/2016 at 5:22am
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The IFL-ALC.S looks to be thinner than the IFL-ALC. 5.5mm instead of 6.0mm. The IFL-ZLF is only 5.3mm as well.
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Posted By: piligrim
Date Posted: 09/16/2016 at 8:45am
| shoes is awesome!! |
Posted By: jpenmaster
Date Posted: 09/16/2016 at 11:03am
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New rubber sheet! Impartial xs ------------- OSP Expert II w DNA Dragon Grip |
Posted By: jpenmaster
Date Posted: 09/16/2016 at 12:55pm
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Posted By: tiehwen
Date Posted: 09/16/2016 at 1:10pm
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@Bloomingdale guy....your EJ bugs just hit you hard? ------------- http://mytabletennis.net/Forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17089" rel="nofollow - I love & am inspired by Malala Yousufzai's "True & Tough" LIFE STORY |
Posted By: zeio
Date Posted: 09/16/2016 at 1:36pm
 From the charts above, the Innerforce Layer ZLF is pretty much the slowest with most vibrations among all blades, save the Innershield Layer ZLF and Hadraw Shield. ------------- Viscaria FL - 91g + Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
Posted By: bbkon
Date Posted: 09/16/2016 at 2:52pm
Hope someone can translate Bout the new pips. Zeio? |
Crowsfeather wrote:Posted By: jpenmaster
Date Posted: 09/16/2016 at 3:20pm
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Ej bug is always a battle....... ------------- OSP Expert II w DNA Dragon Grip |
Posted By: tiehwen
Date Posted: 09/16/2016 at 3:32pm
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Posted By: zeio
Date Posted: 09/16/2016 at 4:32pm
For this round of release, Butterfly has chosen to put an emphasis on Spin and Balance. Same as the two new blades, the two Impartial rubbers focus on those two elements. I take that the S in XS is for Spin and B in XB is for Balance. For the Impartial XS, the description goes like "This is the golden era of the shakehand double-inverted style. The era in which using pips to smash, drive, and over-the-table play cannot win you the match. Now introducing...the pips rubber with exceptional spin. Here! With this new weapon and the pride of penhold pips, go for the victory!" For the Impartial XB, the description is mostly about balance between attack and defense. The feeling of ease and stability as it is not as affected by backspin pushes when driving. Akira Fukuzawa(the promotional dude, he is an actor/host/celeb who plays table tennis) prefers the XB and urges you to check out his winners in the promotional video. BTW, the pips of XB are lined up vertically and those of XS are lined up horizontally. ------------- Viscaria FL - 91g + Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
Posted By: Bilbo
Date Posted: 09/16/2016 at 4:38pm
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Would love to try the XS on my FH and XB on my BH, I think the difference will be similar to the Victas 102 (more spin) and 101 (more knuckle effect) that I currently using. But of course, they will probably be pricier than the Flarestorm II which is too much I think. ------------- Stiga Optimum Sync FH: Victas VO>103 BH: der Materialspezialist Breakout 2.0 Lefty |
Posted By: GeneralSpecific
Date Posted: 09/16/2016 at 9:40pm
I'd almost bet even XB is more spinny than your 102. 101 is basically a medium pip and 102 isn't particularly spinny relative to what's available. ------------- Blade - Xiom 36.5 ALX FL Forehand - Xiom Omega V Asia 2.0mm Backhand - Victas Curl P5V with Der Materialspezialist Firestorm Soft/Outkill 1.8mm sponge |
Posted By: bbkon
Date Posted: 09/17/2016 at 2:13am
Looking at the shape of xs pips will have no deception |
Posted By: zeio
Date Posted: 09/17/2016 at 2:29am
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Yes, the design goal of XS is purely offensive with tons of spin comparable to inverted rubber. ------------- Viscaria FL - 91g + Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
Posted By: Bilbo
Date Posted: 09/17/2016 at 2:49am
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Can someone explain to me what's the use of using a pips that's so similar to inverted? Coming from inverted all my life to using pips this past year, I feel that if I want and like to play a spin game, no pips is as good as an inverted, if that's what I want, I would just stick with inverted. With so many pips that are so similar to inverted, there must be people who prefer this and I am very curious. ------------- Stiga Optimum Sync FH: Victas VO>103 BH: der Materialspezialist Breakout 2.0 Lefty |
Posted By: zeio
Date Posted: 09/17/2016 at 2:53am
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Speed. It is like the TSP Spinpips. I once used the one that eventually got banned. It had the speed of pips plus the spin of inverted. Best of both worlds. Plus it was lighter so less burden on the wrist. Spinpips was really effective in the 38mm era. ------------- Viscaria FL - 91g + Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
Posted By: Bilbo
Date Posted: 09/25/2016 at 1:46am
I've read a few times that spinpips was banned, but why was it? Thanks. ------------- Stiga Optimum Sync FH: Victas VO>103 BH: der Materialspezialist Breakout 2.0 Lefty |
Posted By: zeio
Date Posted: 09/25/2016 at 2:28am
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From my understanding, the official cause of that ban was a change in the aspect ratio governing non-inverted rubbers. Long pips were said to be the primary target. Spinpips was sort of caught in the crossfire. There are multiple conspiracy theories, though. The most prominent one among them was because of LGL. ------------- Viscaria FL - 91g + Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
Posted By: Crowsfeather
Date Posted: 09/26/2016 at 11:42pm
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They ban VOC booster and glue, still inverted player use non VOC booster. OP Frictionless pip got ban forever........ frictionless pip is rarely seen on world level, they ban it................ slower, larger and pricey ball leads to booster and new expensive rubbers what is the point of all this jinx to capitalism.............. ------------- I'm no longer an EJ and I'm proud . |
Posted By: piligrim
Date Posted: 09/27/2016 at 8:08am
nothing personnel, just business |
Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 10/21/2016 at 5:04am
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Interesting video about the IF Layer ZLF and ALC.S. The medial on both of these looks to be spruce, or some pine-type ply anyway. |
Posted By: Ladon1997
Date Posted: 10/21/2016 at 8:44am
| They may try to use spruce to taken over Hinoki wood as it becomes rare and expensive |
Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 10/21/2016 at 8:49am
My point was that these new ones are both a bit different to the other innerforce blades because the limba medial has been switched out for spruce - no hinoki involved. Butterfly don't usually change the composition like that within a range, so it's a bit surprising.
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Posted By: Ladon1997
Date Posted: 10/21/2016 at 9:35am
| A matter of greed for profits |
Posted By: slevin
Date Posted: 10/21/2016 at 2:01pm
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AndySmith: that is interesting indeed. Good catch. Yes, that cross-section of the new IF-ZLF certainly looks different from the old ones. Spruce shall probably make it a bit bouncier and linear and a wee bit less flexy. Still shall be a good looping blade. ------------- Trade feedback: http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=50787" rel="nofollow - http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=50787 |
Posted By: zeio
Date Posted: 10/21/2016 at 5:37pm
That's a natural thing to do since these two are thinner by a wide margin. The old Innerforce series and the Innerforce layer series are technically super-charged Korbel(and many more other classics) construction-wise. The existing models offer too much flex already, substituting the limba layer with spruce turns it into the Stiga classic structure, so to speak. ------------- Viscaria FL - 91g + Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
Posted By: rickywinataa
Date Posted: 10/21/2016 at 6:40pm
I'd totally dig butterfly limba spruce ayous 5ply all wood. I know eternity exists but i guess deep down I'm a butterfly fanboy |
Posted By: liXiao
Date Posted: 10/22/2016 at 12:41am
I'm hoping that we will see more pros using short pips in the future now that Butterfly and TSP appear to be investing a lot in pips for the new era. XS and XB will be joining Spectol Red and Blue and SpinPips Red and Blue. I don't have much interest in paying $50 for a sheet of pips though. ------------- Gewo Aruna Hinoki Carbon Gewo Nexxus EL Pro 53 SuperSelect Yinhe Qing |
Posted By: zeio
Date Posted: 10/22/2016 at 1:10pm
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Mizuno as well. But then the disappointing news(read reality) is that the JTTA has higher expectations for Hirano than Ito purely by the fact that the former plays double-inverted, a recent report stated. ------------- Viscaria FL - 91g + Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
Posted By: rickywinataa
Date Posted: 10/22/2016 at 4:08pm
Well I personally think short pips has a lower skill ceiling compared to inverted rubber so that could be a reason
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Posted By: rosecitytt
Date Posted: 08/09/2017 at 8:14am
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[to BilBo]: Yes I think LGL with his SP was too powerful then, so ittf made a lot of changes, watch this animation (at 0:47) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4zBVN4CNfY&t=47 |
Posted By: Ray
Date Posted: 08/09/2017 at 11:31am
Obviously, Karaš wasn't aware of LGL's advantages: ------------- Life is too short for defensive play. https://twitter.com/spinnier_com" rel="nofollow - https://twitter.com/spinnier_com https://fb.me/spinnier" rel="nofollow - fb.me/spinnier |
Posted By: Bilbo
Date Posted: 08/09/2017 at 4:38pm
Haha I see ------------- Stiga Optimum Sync FH: Victas VO>103 BH: der Materialspezialist Breakout 2.0 Lefty |
Posted By: JimT
Date Posted: 08/13/2017 at 6:08pm
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Amazingly enough the Butterfly prices are still the same. In my club I can see that in the last three years more and more people switch to something else. I used to play with quite a few Btf T-80 and T-80 FX rubbers, now I have two of them for my five main setups. Other eight rubbers are not Btfy. ------------- Single Ply Hinoki Club, Founding Member Say "no!" to expensive table tennis equipment. Please... |