Tibhar Evolution FX-S & EL-S
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Topic: Tibhar Evolution FX-S & EL-S
Posted By: yogi_bear
Subject: Tibhar Evolution FX-S & EL-S
Date Posted: 01/28/2017 at 8:17am
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67 grams uncut Medium Soft (approx 42 degrees) Off rubber     Evolution EL-S 73 grams Uncut Medium to Medium Hard Rubber Hardness Off+    The FX-S and the EL-S rubbers are the latest addition to the Evolution rubber series from Tibhar. There is almost no difference in the structures for the FX-P vs FX-S but for the EL-S and EL-P I only found 2. The EL-S has larger pores in its sponge compared to that of the EL-P rubber. The color of the EL-S is also has a lighter red color compared to the EL-P which is dark cherry red while the EL-S topsheet is reddish pink. After some testing, I have observed the following characteristics of the FX-S and EL-S. I also compared them with their predecessors EL-P and FX-P: Speed The FX-S is fast at off level but still not enough that I would consider it at off+ level. The benchmark for TIbhar off+ rubbers is still the MX-P variant. I would say the FX-S has an increased speed by 1 or 2 notches compared to the old FX-P. The EL-S speed difference with the EL-P however is very obvious. The EL-P has this observed behavior that at times the bounce seem to be not enough. Sure it is fast but there are times that I found it lacking in bounce of which the EL-S. In short, the EL-S has enough speed nowadays for it to be used instead of the MX-P. The MX-P is still faster but speed is not everything. EL-S speed, I think I can say it is as fast as Tenergy 80. Spin FX-S has an increase in the spin compared to the FX-P but I would not consider it as a significant increase. When I tried it with the Paul Drinkhall Offensive Classic and Powerspin Carbon, the arc is very low. Both the FX-P and FX-S have low throw. When I was doing my fh-fh drills and bh-bh drills, I had to adjust my bat angle to make the arc a little bit higher. One thing that I have observed with both the FX-S and El-S is that you need to hit through the sponge when you hit with it either when you are smashing or looping. The FX-S and its brother are both soft rubbers that the ball really needs to sink into the sponge in order for you to produce good spin. The EL-S has significant spin increase compared to the EL-P. The EL-P before was spinny enough especially when you brush the rubber against the ball but the EL-S seems to be easier to produce spin. The arc of the EL-S is medium to high whether you are drilling with drives or looping, the arc is high enough to clear the net. The El-S is very spinny in all aspects. The spinny pushes are very sharp even not so spinny balls when you push against them they would still be spinny enough. The loops and loop drives are the ones that the EL-S really shines. The EL-S has this kick that when you spin the ball, when it lands on the table, the ball has some sort of a sharp kick on it which is really impressive. The MX-P has this also but the MX-S has a stronger spin on attacks and speed. Overall Impressions The FX-S blocks very well in the backhand and forehand. If there is one thing the FX-S excels, it would be blocking near or far from the table because it is easy to defend with. The FX-S is good when you smash with it up to some point but the soft sponge would prevent you from further increasing the power of your shots. The EL-S is my favorite of the 2 and I am vocally biased with it. It is everything I wish for an MX-P rubber. It is as spinny but has more control and also lets you push better. Yes, it is not as fast as the MX-P but it was not designed to be faster than MX-P in the first place anyway but most of us are not in the level to use the MX-P to its fullest potentials anyway. By using the EL-S, you would use a rubber that is more tamed and controllable while offers you good spin and handling. ------------- Independent online TT Product reviewer of XIOM, STIGA, JOOLA, SANWEI, GEWO, AIR, ITC, APEX, YASAKA and ABROS ITTF Level 1 Coaching Course Conductor, ITTF Level 1 Coach |
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Posted By: unstopabl3
Date Posted: 01/28/2017 at 8:43am
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From the look of the red porous sponges, it seems these two are also heavily factory boosted right yogi? Can't wait for you to compare them against MX-P and EL-P, thanks. |
Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 01/28/2017 at 9:48am
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It has boosting yes but not suretoo how muchmuch. The el-s is amazing. ------------- Independent online TT Product reviewer of XIOM, STIGA, JOOLA, SANWEI, GEWO, AIR, ITC, APEX, YASAKA and ABROS ITTF Level 1 Coaching Course Conductor, ITTF Level 1 Coach |
Posted By: unstopabl3
Date Posted: 01/28/2017 at 10:11am
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Amazing in which way? Btw which is softer, which one has more control and which one is less sensitive to incoming spin? I'm looking for an alternative for EL-P on the BH, something which has same control and same insensitivity to incoming spin and same playing characteristics but is faster or punches. |
Posted By: berkeleydoctor
Date Posted: 01/28/2017 at 6:13pm
| EL-S is faster than EL-P with the same level of control, but to be honest, it's still not that fast. definitely not tenergy or MX-P fast |
Posted By: unstopabl3
Date Posted: 01/29/2017 at 6:14am
Thanks, I don't really need that fast rubber on my passive BH anyways, seems like I will give EL-S a try soon :P |
berkeleydoctor wrote:Posted By: Hans Regenkurt
Date Posted: 01/29/2017 at 6:51am
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I have got hold of my ELS and tried it on Friday with a Joola Flash, TSP 40+ training ball and DHS *** cell balls. It is a remarkable rubber and what struck me is its good usability with the Flash which is difficult to push and receive. The ELS's relative lack of spring made it look a very promising rubber with this kind of plastic ball and it looped very well too. I am yet to try it with others. One thing is sure, the price / value ratio is very good and the competition has to come up with some very good rubbers if they do not want to lose market. |
Posted By: unstopabl3
Date Posted: 01/29/2017 at 7:26am
Have you tried EL-P and MX-P hans? Can you compare them with EL-S? |
Posted By: Hans Regenkurt
Date Posted: 01/29/2017 at 9:51am
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Here is the short answer: Speed: MXP>ELS>ELP>FXP Spin: all of them are spinny enough, the difference is the ease of creating different arches with a stroke. From this point of view: ELS (for me) > MXP > FXP > ELP Control: the ELS is the winner because it is not so springy and does not do things I do not want it to. Still it gives very good speed when needed. I had a sheet of ELP about 4 years ago but then I sold it. Although it is a completely okay rubber, I did not really like it because I felt it lacked character. That is, compared to MXP, my loops clearly lacked power and arch. I could easily vary the length and arch of my topspins with FXP, which is clearly the slowest of the three "P" family. I have found the ELP to be suitable for players who hit rather than loop. Do not get me wrong, as I said, the ELP is a usable rubber, but there are better rubbers for pure loopers. Also, I remember it has a rather springy nature, which I think is not the best for certain plastic balls. ELS is not so springy by nature, so you have to work a little harder than with MXP to produce a powerful loop. One of my teammates has MXP on one side of his racket and ELS on the other. He is technically inferior to me, he has problems reading spin and his footwork leaves a lot to be desired. He has got a crazy side-underspin serve which he follows up with a hefty hooking FH topspin. If he is up against a junk player, he is lost. He cannot read spin from anti or any kind of pips. He prefers MXP on his FH because his first loop just lands and when it does, it will not come back. Accordingly, his FH technique is not sophisticated. He cannot play well with ELS because he needs that extra spring to help the ball land. With that said, the ELS is capable of producing almost the same speed on loops and powerplay as the MXP. However, it offers a lot more in control and precision. I do not know your level but here is the essence of the comparison: MXP is better for those who are not so strong physically and like it when they do a stroke and the rubbers power helps them. Or they are strongly built but cannot loop more than 2-3 in a row. Or very advanced pro players, who need raw power. ELS is suited to those who want the speed of MXP on loops and who are technically adept but do not like it when the rubber suddenly does something unexpected for them. Also, those seeking a rubber that is not as springy in the short game as MXP. EDIT: The cost is a bit longer stroke. |
Posted By: Hans Regenkurt
Date Posted: 01/29/2017 at 9:54am
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One more thought: to me, the ELS is clearly better than any Bluefire, be it the M series or the JP. |
Posted By: unstopabl3
Date Posted: 01/29/2017 at 1:18pm
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Thanks for your review Hans, I think I will give EL-S a try soon enough. Thanks again. |
Posted By: mog1111
Date Posted: 01/31/2017 at 9:59am
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I tried EL-S recently on fh after using 05fx. I did not like it that much initially. I have been EJing with H3N recently too. After using H3N for several weeks then trying EL-S I now really like it on my fh. I am switching to it permanently. It requires a bit more input than 05fx, but this must be a good thing really. You get out what you put in. It's also so much cheaper. Damn it BREXIT. ------------- Yasaka Ma Lin Carbon FH: Tenergy 05fx BH: Spinlord Keiler |
Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 02/01/2017 at 9:04am
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updated with review ------------- Independent online TT Product reviewer of XIOM, STIGA, JOOLA, SANWEI, GEWO, AIR, ITC, APEX, YASAKA and ABROS ITTF Level 1 Coaching Course Conductor, ITTF Level 1 Coach |
Posted By: mog1111
Date Posted: 02/01/2017 at 9:14am
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Good review Yogi, I agree with what you say about el-s, I am used to generally softer rubbers but I am getting used to it now after a few sessions. I found it is much better in tight play and much better in blocking than 05fx. How did you find it for serve return - reaction against incoming spin? ------------- Yasaka Ma Lin Carbon FH: Tenergy 05fx BH: Spinlord Keiler |
Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 02/01/2017 at 9:30am
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Fx-s was easier to return serves but did not have any problems with the el-s since I am already used to the mxs ------------- Independent online TT Product reviewer of XIOM, STIGA, JOOLA, SANWEI, GEWO, AIR, ITC, APEX, YASAKA and ABROS ITTF Level 1 Coaching Course Conductor, ITTF Level 1 Coach |
Posted By: Fulanodetal
Date Posted: 02/01/2017 at 11:40am
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Thanks for the review. I am enjoying EL-S on my bh so far, and I'm coming from Adidas P7. I do have one question. I have not used any of the other Evolution series rubbers. Which one has the highest throw? FdT
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Posted By: unstopabl3
Date Posted: 02/01/2017 at 12:35pm
I'd like to know this as well, compared to MX-P and EL-P please thanks. |
Posted By: mog1111
Date Posted: 02/01/2017 at 12:45pm
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I have not used mx-p but I have tried el-p a bit, I would think el-s is a bit better in returning serve, a bit less bouncy a bit better for tight returns ------------- Yasaka Ma Lin Carbon FH: Tenergy 05fx BH: Spinlord Keiler |
Posted By: unstopabl3
Date Posted: 02/01/2017 at 12:53pm
I was asking yogi lol I don't think so since many reviewers including yogi have stated that it's a little livelier and bouncier and spinnier than EL-P, it's ought to be more sensitive to incoming spin. Can you confirm this yogi please? Thanks |
Posted By: mog1111
Date Posted: 02/01/2017 at 1:05pm
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I can confirm its not as musical as ELO ------------- Yasaka Ma Lin Carbon FH: Tenergy 05fx BH: Spinlord Keiler |
Posted By: nv42
Date Posted: 02/01/2017 at 2:33pm
Its definitely a little more sensitive to incoming spin compared to mx-p or el-p,though the extra sensitivity to spin dint transate into spinnier pushes or serves compared to the two p-rubbers. El-s sits in seat of its own to me, not a replacement to any other recent Esn rubber. ------------- 1.dhs pg2 fl -FH t05h (max) -BH tibhar genius (max) |
Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 02/01/2017 at 7:03pm
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I do not find it significantly sensitive to incoming spin at all. For the throw, i think mxp and mxs still have the highest arc. ------------- Independent online TT Product reviewer of XIOM, STIGA, JOOLA, SANWEI, GEWO, AIR, ITC, APEX, YASAKA and ABROS ITTF Level 1 Coaching Course Conductor, ITTF Level 1 Coach |
Posted By: rocketman222
Date Posted: 02/02/2017 at 2:08pm
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Picking up my EL-S tonight, can't wait to test this one for my backup blade. ------------- http://www.bladesbycharlie.com/models/hinokighost" rel="nofollow - BBC Hinoki Ghost http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=74126&title=feedback-rocketman222" rel="nofollow - My Feedback |
Posted By: DreiZ
Date Posted: 02/03/2017 at 11:44am
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Here is my input on ELS after playing with it for few months (compared to MXP and FXP): Speed: MXP > ELS > FXP Spin (new): MXP > ELS > FXP Spin (after 2-3 months): ELS > MXP > FXP Control: ELS > FXP > MXP Weight: MXP > ELS > FXP Hardness: MXP > ELS > FXP What makes ELS special is the top sheet. It has loads of mechanical grip that MXP does not. I previously loved using brand new MXP because of speed and spin capabilities, but after 2-3 months of use MXP dips down in performance and needs to be reboosted, due to factory boosting wearing off. While ELS is softer than MXP, it still has that medium-hard feel overall and not as mushy as FXP. I made the switch from 2.0mm x2 MXP to 2.0mm x2 ELS primarily due to the weight because MXP still feels heavy at times. ELS feels much less spin sensitive compared to MXP and makes it easier to control in the short game. MXP is better away from the table in looping rallies. ELS doesn't need boosting after 2-3 months, but i might try to boost it after 8-9 months of usage to see how it reacts. my2cents. ------------- Ovtcharov Innerforce ALC 85g FH/BH: Glayzer 09C 2.1mm USATT: 1725 |
Posted By: mog1111
Date Posted: 02/03/2017 at 12:16pm
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Does EL-S not feel very hard and flat on the SSCB? What is it like for looping on the SSCB in 2.0mm? Why 2.0mm not MAX on fh at least? ------------- Yasaka Ma Lin Carbon FH: Tenergy 05fx BH: Spinlord Keiler |
Posted By: DreiZ
Date Posted: 02/05/2017 at 6:51pm
It feels overall medium-hard. Even though SSCB has a soft limba top ply it has a nice solid feel due to carbon layer. I use 2.0mm for more all around game and it does its job. It does bottom out at times on mid distance looping but i have no problem with that. I dont play beyond that distance due to the space at my club. I prefer 2.0mm both sides because of the balance and weight. SSCB feels abit head heavy already so i want to bring the weight lower to the handlel. I do want to try max ELS both sides eventually to see if that adds more spin capabilities. ------------- Ovtcharov Innerforce ALC 85g FH/BH: Glayzer 09C 2.1mm USATT: 1725 |
Posted By: danjacob02
Date Posted: 02/08/2017 at 6:46am
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In reply to Dreiz... I disagree that the MX-P has more spin than EL-S when new... With very active strokes like loops, loop kills / power loops and such.... The MX-P is indeed spinnier. But in the short game, pushes and flicks the EL-S noticeably had a whole bunch more spin... Guy I was playing against couldn't return most of my flicks with the EL-S too bad I wasn't using the SSCB yet back then.. Since we had differing experiences with the spin capabilities of the EL-S perhaps it could be the thickness? as I used max... though can't say for sure as I haven't used 1.9-2.0 EL-S. Another thing I wonder what's the 2nd ply of the SSCB is it Limba or Ayous?
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Posted By: mog1111
Date Posted: 02/13/2017 at 7:22pm
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I am very close to buying 1.9-2.0mm EL-S for my backhand to pair with EL-S on my new Samsonov Force Pro Blue ------------- Yasaka Ma Lin Carbon FH: Tenergy 05fx BH: Spinlord Keiler |
Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 02/13/2017 at 9:47pm
I got two sheets of EL-S in from TT11 today. Definitely less booster smell than MX-P. Pips on inside are rather small in diameter, but very columnar. Like Yogi said, sponge pores are definitely pretty big. |
Posted By: nv42
Date Posted: 02/14/2017 at 1:47am
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One thing that really puzzles me is that the single area where I found el-s lacked (compared to mx-p) is serves and pushes, simple short pure back or pure side spin serves were alright, but just couldn't get consistently spinny side-top or pure top serves with it, maybe it's my serving technique, but a tonne of other rubbers work really well for me. Loved the el-s for looping and counter looping, doesn't have that unexpected extra grab that the mx-p has, hence the balls stays low on the table and kicks off pretty good on the other side. Was super easy to attack and most of the tiem finish off (since I dint need to hold back worrying abt the ball going long) long heavily loaded sidespin serves from lefties and righties as well. Kind of stupid that I changed back to mx-p just cuz of serves, maybe I'll give it another try sometime soon. ------------- 1.dhs pg2 fl -FH t05h (max) -BH tibhar genius (max) |
Posted By: mog1111
Date Posted: 02/15/2017 at 12:23pm
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I'm switching to EL-S on backhand too. just got to decide now between Stratus Powerwood and Force Pro blue think it might be the stratus as EL-S is fairly medium hard sponge, so the flex might help with loops. ------------- Yasaka Ma Lin Carbon FH: Tenergy 05fx BH: Spinlord Keiler |
Posted By: rocketman222
Date Posted: 02/15/2017 at 12:51pm
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I tried the EL-S with a couple of layers of booster last night, It felt extremely close to the t80 on my backhand. ------------- http://www.bladesbycharlie.com/models/hinokighost" rel="nofollow - BBC Hinoki Ghost http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=74126&title=feedback-rocketman222" rel="nofollow - My Feedback |
Posted By: mog1111
Date Posted: 02/15/2017 at 1:15pm
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wow im not sure it needs boosting? ------------- Yasaka Ma Lin Carbon FH: Tenergy 05fx BH: Spinlord Keiler |
Posted By: rocketman222
Date Posted: 02/15/2017 at 1:55pm
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Well, it was on a friend's paddle, he had boosted it ------------- http://www.bladesbycharlie.com/models/hinokighost" rel="nofollow - BBC Hinoki Ghost http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=74126&title=feedback-rocketman222" rel="nofollow - My Feedback |
Posted By: WeebleWobble
Date Posted: 02/16/2017 at 9:33am
| I have el-s on my backhand donic true carbon and it feels a bit too hard for me. Should I try fx-p or would another brand be preferable. |
Posted By: tom
Date Posted: 02/16/2017 at 9:49am
| Weeble, what do you usually do on your backhand? |
Posted By: WeebleWobble
Date Posted: 02/16/2017 at 12:57pm
It's the only rubber I've used on the true carbon which is new to me as well. For a few years I used Joola Rhyzym 420 on a Rossi Emotion but I found the rossi to be too light and unstable. Then was using adidas P3 on backhand of NCT maplewood V. Looks like P3 and the 420 have similar hardness. I have El-s on the NCT maplewood backhand as well and it feels softer than on the true carbon but I haven't really been using that setup. Using the true carbon. Made a lot of changes all at once. I was playing at a crappy place with no space so was always close to the table and using celluloid balls. Now I'm playing with more space, plastic balls, and a fast blade so it's a lot of adjustment to make. Just lost confidence in my backhand, I used to have a great one when I was right on the table but now I find myself backing up and that requires a loop instead of more of a drive. |
Posted By: tom
Date Posted: 02/16/2017 at 1:17pm
| Weeble, can't help exactly the way you want because I haven't played with the FXP thought I have played with the ELS alot and have two DTC. From what you have said I suggest from one of the combos MAXXX-P for your BH. good control and spin, adequate driving power and should be close to softness to you Rhyzm. I estimate the FXP is softer than that range. |
Posted By: WeebleWobble
Date Posted: 02/16/2017 at 1:19pm
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Is there just one kind of Maxxx-p? I guess you mean just different thicknesses. Looks good but not cheap... |
Posted By: tom
Date Posted: 02/16/2017 at 1:57pm
| just one kind and just a few bucks more |
Posted By: mog1111
Date Posted: 02/20/2017 at 8:18am
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my EL-S has arrived for my bh in 1.9mm so lets see how that works out ------------- Yasaka Ma Lin Carbon FH: Tenergy 05fx BH: Spinlord Keiler |
Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 02/20/2017 at 6:34pm
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Maxxx-p is a different rubber compared to els. Els is spinnier and feels harder. ------------- Independent online TT Product reviewer of XIOM, STIGA, JOOLA, SANWEI, GEWO, AIR, ITC, APEX, YASAKA and ABROS ITTF Level 1 Coaching Course Conductor, ITTF Level 1 Coach |
Posted By: mog1111
Date Posted: 02/21/2017 at 4:05am
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yogi, would you agree you need good technique to get the spin out of el-s, probably because of the hardness? ------------- Yasaka Ma Lin Carbon FH: Tenergy 05fx BH: Spinlord Keiler |
Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 02/21/2017 at 4:38am
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Not really tbough you would need to know how to brush the ball properly. ------------- Independent online TT Product reviewer of XIOM, STIGA, JOOLA, SANWEI, GEWO, AIR, ITC, APEX, YASAKA and ABROS ITTF Level 1 Coaching Course Conductor, ITTF Level 1 Coach |
Posted By: mog1111
Date Posted: 02/21/2017 at 4:41am
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it must be me with rubbish technique. ha ha ha I do like el-s though ------------- Yasaka Ma Lin Carbon FH: Tenergy 05fx BH: Spinlord Keiler |
Posted By: Hans Regenkurt
Date Posted: 03/03/2017 at 6:12pm
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That ugly Tibhar sickness has taken down my sheets of ELS. They have lost their grip after about 5 weeks of use. They are still spinny but they are a lot more difficult to lift underspin with. Also, they have lost some speed which is noticeable during rallies. I spent 3 hours playing with Joola Flash this evening and lost many points because of this. |
Posted By: rocketman222
Date Posted: 03/03/2017 at 6:12pm
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Booster to the rescue? ------------- http://www.bladesbycharlie.com/models/hinokighost" rel="nofollow - BBC Hinoki Ghost http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=74126&title=feedback-rocketman222" rel="nofollow - My Feedback |
Posted By: mog1111
Date Posted: 03/03/2017 at 7:14pm
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tenergy to the rescue, expensive but it does last ------------- Yasaka Ma Lin Carbon FH: Tenergy 05fx BH: Spinlord Keiler |
Posted By: player87
Date Posted: 03/04/2017 at 1:55am
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My EL-S seems ok after 30+ hours of play and training including multiball. However I did mention what you said about speed bug grip is still there. |
Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 03/04/2017 at 7:51am
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Mine is ok after 3weeks ------------- Independent online TT Product reviewer of XIOM, STIGA, JOOLA, SANWEI, GEWO, AIR, ITC, APEX, YASAKA and ABROS ITTF Level 1 Coaching Course Conductor, ITTF Level 1 Coach |
Posted By: DreiZ
Date Posted: 03/04/2017 at 12:34pm
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After few months with ELS, it became a bit softer (slower?) but the grip is still there, lots of it actually. I also noticed it does a little bit better in warmer environment compared to the colder temps. ------------- Ovtcharov Innerforce ALC 85g FH/BH: Glayzer 09C 2.1mm USATT: 1725 |
Posted By: Hans Regenkurt
Date Posted: 03/05/2017 at 5:16pm
I just put the first layer of oil on them. We will see what happens. |
Posted By: mog1111
Date Posted: 03/17/2017 at 7:41am
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I like el-s on my fh, but I don't like it in on my bh. I'm not going back to tenergy anymore, gonna focus on playing better shots. ------------- Yasaka Ma Lin Carbon FH: Tenergy 05fx BH: Spinlord Keiler |
Posted By: Hans Regenkurt
Date Posted: 03/24/2017 at 10:35am
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Boosting it did not work out as I had expected. Control improved but it was not as dangerous any more. |
Posted By: player87
Date Posted: 03/24/2017 at 1:50pm
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I found EL-S to be very picky in terms of blades you are using. I played it on innerforce ZLC. Much better than on my zealot. On donic waldner offensive it is really slow and not spinny. |
Posted By: vic#74
Date Posted: 03/30/2017 at 12:42am
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Tried EL-S at BH on my new ITC blade. Last year I played Viscaria+MX-S@BH. All in all - very good rubber, easier to play than MX-S. Like it a lot. Strongly recommended. Good match with carbon blades, I guess. ------------- ITC Premier XR Nittaku Sieger Pk50 Tibhar Evolution EL-S |
Posted By: Makelele
Date Posted: 03/30/2017 at 10:41pm
| Vic, what domyou mean by " easier to play than MX-S"? That is easier to generate more speed or spin, or that is more forgiving when you play an imperfect stroke? |
Posted By: jonyer1980
Date Posted: 04/06/2017 at 5:40pm
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I´ve been switching from MX-P to EL-S on my RW-V´s on my FH My conclusions: It´s not spinnier than MXP at all, but definitely more balanced. The topsheet looks grippier than MXP but on services it´s not as spinnier though :( If you play with 5ply allwood it might be a bit slow from mid distance for power looping, but close to the table you´ve got tons of control, way better than MXP since it´s not as bouncy so slower, which means better for short game or touch/finesse shots on the table. Lower throw than MXP. I would rate as medium; MXP has quite higher throw. I´ll give a few sessions more but honestly i´m not fully convinced with it as a FH rubber, since i can loop effordless with MXP and produce more deadly shots in spite of the lack of control compared to ELS, which imo needs to engage to a bit more sponge/topsheet. ------------- Rosewood V FL Nittaku Fastarc G1-FH Stiga DNA Pro-S MAX BH Avoid any Butterfly stuff... at abusive prices. Raw power without control means nothing |
Posted By: nv42
Date Posted: 04/07/2017 at 11:45am
I made quite a few similar observations too. ------------- 1.dhs pg2 fl -FH t05h (max) -BH tibhar genius (max) |
Posted By: mog1111
Date Posted: 05/14/2017 at 6:48am
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anyone still using el-s ------------- Yasaka Ma Lin Carbon FH: Tenergy 05fx BH: Spinlord Keiler |
Posted By: Tinykin
Date Posted: 05/14/2017 at 10:38am
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I find EL-S great for blocking, whether using dead-hand technique or chop blocking. The FH topspin is a tad slower compared to the MX-P but is much easier to execute thus leading to more consistent play at my level. ------------- Blade: Darker Speed90 Rubber Fh and Bh DHS Hurricane 3, 39/38deg Delusion is an asset |
Posted By: DreiZ
Date Posted: 05/14/2017 at 11:48am
still using it, still loving it. Im actually boosting 2 older ELS 2.0mm sheets that i have to see how they play with booster. They are about 3-4 months old which i played with once a week. Going to try them tomorrow. ------------- Ovtcharov Innerforce ALC 85g FH/BH: Glayzer 09C 2.1mm USATT: 1725 |
Posted By: mog1111
Date Posted: 06/02/2017 at 3:17pm
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Dreiz, are you finding the max el-s better? Spinnier? im getting a new sheet not sure whether to move up to max, its going on a walner senso carbon and im tempted to go up to max for my fh is the black softer? ------------- Yasaka Ma Lin Carbon FH: Tenergy 05fx BH: Spinlord Keiler |
Posted By: DreiZ
Date Posted: 06/03/2017 at 11:49am
I think it's spinnier but it's not a big different between 2.0, not overwhelming. ------------- Ovtcharov Innerforce ALC 85g FH/BH: Glayzer 09C 2.1mm USATT: 1725 |
Posted By: h0n1g
Date Posted: 06/03/2017 at 2:06pm
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Would agree. Didn't find the max to be spinnier, just faster and less controllable. ------------- --- http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=71705&title=feeback-h0n1g" rel="nofollow - My Feedback Thread |
Posted By: mog1111
Date Posted: 06/04/2017 at 1:34pm
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think ill stick with 2.0mm ------------- Yasaka Ma Lin Carbon FH: Tenergy 05fx BH: Spinlord Keiler |
Posted By: mog1111
Date Posted: 06/04/2017 at 5:28pm
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its working wonders for me on the wsc. I can drive the ball again. wow ------------- Yasaka Ma Lin Carbon FH: Tenergy 05fx BH: Spinlord Keiler |