Vega Pro, Carbonado 290 or MJ ZLC
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Topic: Vega Pro, Carbonado 290 or MJ ZLC
Posted By: unstopabl3
Subject: Vega Pro, Carbonado 290 or MJ ZLC
Date Posted: 02/11/2017 at 11:35am
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I don't want woody feeling blade and numb feeling blade like Viscaria
(felt it was a bit bouncy and a bit slow), although loops were great and
controlled. I've also been using Yasaka Extra Offensive 7 Power and
although it's a great blade it lacks power especially away from the
table. I'm currently using HL5 and it's a fast blade but is a bit bouncy
for my taste and the BH flick is not so good. I'm looking for a blade which is a controlled beast, which is fast enough from mid distance but is also great close to the table and is not super bouncy. Has a good dwell, has good speed and spin but is also has great control for short game. I mostly attack from my FH and do passive blocks and pushes on my BH, I also like to open with a push or flick from my BH. I'm currently looking at these 3 blades and want your feedback as to the pros and cons for each of these as per my playing style: XVP Carbonado 290 MJ ZLC So which of the above would suit me best? You can also recommend some other blade as well. Thanks in advance. |
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Posted By: unstopabl3
Date Posted: 02/11/2017 at 11:41am
Need your input guys :) |
Baal, JimT, slevin, tabletennis11, tiehwen, tron52, kindof99, ashishsharmaait, peter79 wrote:Posted By: ronakvyas86
Date Posted: 02/11/2017 at 12:02pm
You need a hinoki carbon blade my friend. If you've never tried them, I'd say you should get yourself a Donic Ovtcharov Carbospeed. ------------- Yasaka Goiabao 5 CPEN, Donic Baracuda MAX FH & RPB |
Posted By: unstopabl3
Date Posted: 02/11/2017 at 12:11pm
Yeah I've not played with hinoki blade yet, can you review the carbospeed in a few sentences? What's so good about it that the other blades I mentioned are not it's equal in your eyes? |
Posted By: unstopabl3
Date Posted: 02/11/2017 at 12:37pm
And have you used the Donic Ovtcharov True Carbon blade? |
Posted By: ronakvyas86
Date Posted: 02/11/2017 at 12:49pm
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I've not tried the other blades. I've tried XVE, but I assume is different from XVP. Anyway, Carbospeed is a 7mm thick (some say 6.9 but I like to round that up coz, what the hell) 5 ply blade with 2 layers of carbon, outer hinoki and kiri core. - The blade feels very solid. - It's fast, really fast. Donic calls it their fastest blade. - It feels very stiff, so it's not bouncy. Bounciness is a characteristic of flexy blades. - It feels soft (soft is not an opposite of stiff, it's the opposite of hard) during short game which is due to hinoki outers so control is good. Softness is gone when you hit hard (carbon layers). - Dwell is medium, that's a good thing coz it should be low for blades in it's speed range. - Medium hard high throw grippy rubbers (like baracuda) works well. - Quality is good. - Price is great ------------- Yasaka Goiabao 5 CPEN, Donic Baracuda MAX FH & RPB |
Posted By: Jasonh
Date Posted: 02/11/2017 at 1:04pm
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Stiga Rosewood V and Clipper might provide what you are seeking for, since all wood blades have better feelings and control especially close to the table. Yasaka Extra Offensive is also a fantastic blade for close-mid distance plays. If soft feeling is preferred, Butterfly Moonbeam should be suitable, good luck finding one.  ------------- Fly away! |
Posted By: unstopabl3
Date Posted: 02/11/2017 at 3:02pm
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Thanks for your replies guys, keep em coming :) |
Posted By: kindof99
Date Posted: 02/11/2017 at 3:41pm
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Have you considered Barwell Fleet? It fits all your requirement. ------------- /forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=65174&title=feedback-for-kindof99" rel="nofollow - My Feedback | /forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=77924" rel="nofollow - Sale |
Posted By: unstopabl3
Date Posted: 02/11/2017 at 4:57pm
Did you get a notification when I tagged you in this thread? No I've not tried it or read it's reviews, no one ever recommended it to me before lol Can you link me to a good review for it? What about from the blades I've mentioned in my first post, since you have vast experience with blades :P Thanks |
Posted By: kindof99
Date Posted: 02/11/2017 at 6:23pm
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Barwell fleet is the blade with almost the best control close to table and powerful and spiny if needed. I think you can easily find many reviews on it. It used to be the No. 1 blade on TTDB until someone gave it a rating of 6 for reasons that I don't know. ------------- /forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=65174&title=feedback-for-kindof99" rel="nofollow - My Feedback | /forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=77924" rel="nofollow - Sale |
Posted By: CraneStyle
Date Posted: 02/11/2017 at 6:24pm
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Guess what blade I vote for..? I believe it was one of the most used blades in one of the the recent European based championships... To me, it's the Golden Mean...  ------------- 1. Mizutani Jun ZLC, FH T80, BH T05 |
Posted By: unstopabl3
Date Posted: 02/11/2017 at 6:49pm
What do you like about MJ ZLC? And what are some things which you don't like about it? Also why are you using Tenergy 80 with it, isn't it a bit slow? I know that loops with 80 are just a dream, but I must ask again, isn't it slow? Why would you tame this beast on purpose lol |
Posted By: piligrim
Date Posted: 02/11/2017 at 7:13pm
http://www.mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=44315&PN=1&title=new-barwell-fleet |
Posted By: unstopabl3
Date Posted: 02/11/2017 at 7:33pm
Thanks, read that thread as well as a few other reviews online many good things have been said about this blade but I'm not too tempted with the whole 7 ply wood plus 2 ply glassfiber combination. |
Posted By: SmackDAT
Date Posted: 02/11/2017 at 8:24pm
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Sounds like you want a stiff, but soft feeling blade. Have you looked at Primorac Carbon or Joola Aruna Off/Rossi Emotion? The former is quite a bit faster, but they're both hinoki/carbon composites - I do believe hinoki outer blades may be what you are looking for. Andro Treiber Z is also a good shout. Edit: One guy I know (around top 50 in UK) uses the Aruna OFF, and he got like three of my friends to get them! The guy I always play in matches was one of them, and he swears by it, and he's a picky EJ What's wrong with Viscaria though? It's plenty fast for me, and you could easily get a TB ZLC for a less muted feeling.
------------- Zhang Jike ALC AN (88g) Tenergy 05 Hard (2.1, B) Tenergy 19 (2.1, R) https://goo.gl/bFWoxW" rel="nofollow - https://goo.gl/bFWoxW |
Posted By: Saitama
Date Posted: 02/11/2017 at 8:35pm
| From your choicew i would pick xvp.. It will feel dead at first but after a while you will fel a certain flex.. Good for mid distance controllable and loops and punches are really easy with this blade. |
Posted By: CraneStyle
Date Posted: 02/12/2017 at 3:01am
No negatives about the MJZLC for me. I like a direct feeling blade that gives what you put in without flex... MJZLC is not a beast; it is not a Primorac Carbon... T80 is not slow at all, it just has good low gears and some people don't play it to it's potential ... I also use T80 because I enjoy the feel and performance of it in all departments...  ------------- 1. Mizutani Jun ZLC, FH T80, BH T05 |
Posted By: rulia
Date Posted: 02/14/2017 at 2:14am
| galaxy t8-s |
Posted By: kindof99
Date Posted: 02/14/2017 at 4:55am
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I use T05FX on my JM SZLC, and the combo is great. ------------- /forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=65174&title=feedback-for-kindof99" rel="nofollow - My Feedback | /forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=77924" rel="nofollow - Sale |
Posted By: ronakvyas86
Date Posted: 02/14/2017 at 7:00am
Can you give us a quick review of T8s? The blade looks very intriguing but only few reviews out there ------------- Yasaka Goiabao 5 CPEN, Donic Baracuda MAX FH & RPB |
Posted By: unstopabl3
Date Posted: 02/14/2017 at 7:06am
I'm assuming MJZLC has more control than the Primorac Carbon and is better from mid distance? |
Posted By: ronakvyas86
Date Posted: 02/14/2017 at 8:15am
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Control is a highly subjective phenomenon. For some, hard+flexy blades feel more controllable, some like stiff+soft blades (that's me), most defensive players like flexy+soft blades, hitters like hard+stiff blade. Manufacturers try to generalise "control" by labeling equipment with control rating. That's not how it works ------------- Yasaka Goiabao 5 CPEN, Donic Baracuda MAX FH & RPB |
Posted By: CraneStyle
Date Posted: 02/14/2017 at 10:23am
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Control is in the hands of the beholder... Both MJZLC & Primorac Carbon (PC) are great from mid distance and have good control in the right hands... However, there is a big difference between MJZLC & PC... If you like a noticeably solid feeling blade you may like a PC - a genuine Off+ blade. You can get PC at 86g now and feel nice... For example, I know someone who uses an 86g PC with T25FX FH & T25 BH who loves the solid feeling blade and matched rubbers that suit his style... To me MJZLC is an Allround+ blade with reserve power, but that's because I am used to it... ------------- 1. Mizutani Jun ZLC, FH T80, BH T05 |
Posted By: col6628
Date Posted: 02/14/2017 at 2:31pm
| andro treiber z |
Posted By: unstopabl3
Date Posted: 02/14/2017 at 4:02pm
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I've ordered MJZLC will get it in a few days, will post my findings soon. Thanks for the suggestions guys, might try Primorac Carbon sooner or later but Vega Pro and Andro Treiber look like slow blades from what I've read so they might not be what I want. Anyways will try them as well sooner or later when I have extra cash :P Thanks again. |
Posted By: unstopabl3
Date Posted: 02/14/2017 at 4:03pm
Have you used it or using it? How fast is it compared to some other popular OFF blades? |
Posted By: col6628
Date Posted: 02/15/2017 at 3:46am
| yes all time , rpg fh, rpg bh , 1.9 |
Posted By: unstopabl3
Date Posted: 02/15/2017 at 6:11am
Can you please review how good or bad the blade is? And also please review RPG as I've just ordered RG because I thought RPG would be too hard. Thanks |
Posted By: col6628
Date Posted: 02/15/2017 at 9:57am
| andro treiber z good blade , apw46 is my coach i return bh and fh loops blocking with treiber z, I have no problem looping chops with the blade. the rubbers on the blade rpg fh and rpg bh , I,ve tried rasant grip 1.9 bh the blade just seams to work better with rpg bh, I,ve tried mjszlc which i purchase of vinder to fast balls went off table rpg fh rg bh still got mjszlc put away. gone back to treiber z better blade for me. apw46 plays with slow blade but t05 fh t05 bh awesome bh. |
Posted By: Stanny
Date Posted: 02/15/2017 at 2:49pm
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Hey unstopabl3, I also have the andro treiber z and it's one of my favourite blades and I have it as a spare blade as well. The combo I played with is andro treiber z + andro rasant grip 2.1 BH and FH. Touchplay - probably the best out of all the blades I've played with. You can literally tap the ball over the net and it will land with a low bounce and be close to the net, making it hard for your opponent to attack. I've used carbonado 190, DHS-WL, Viscaria, and HL5 and I have to say that this blade is still the best in this department. Pushes - nice and low. You can push the ball close to the net or far from the net with lots of control. Flicks - BH flicks are very low and spinny and can be hard for your opponents to return. FH flicks are are also very good. Loops - BH loops are very well controlled. It's nice and low and can be hard to return. This is due to the low arc that you can generate from the combination. FH loops are too low sometimes because of this combo. If you want to loop (FH or BH) a ball from under the table or just slightly above the table, it can be hard because the ball may clip the net a lot. I'm not sure if it's due strictly to the paddle or the rubbers or a combination of both. However, when I played with rasant grip on my BH for my HL5, the arc was much lower vs tenergy 05 but the arc is definitely higher than treiber z. Drives - FH and BH drives may require a slight brush to lift the ball over because of the low arc but really easy to adapt. Feel - as mentioned from the touchplay, incredible feel. I've given it to beginners and all types of players to try out and they all say it has an amazing feel. You know exactly where the ball is. Overall, it's a really nice blade/combo to have. Recommended combos are rasant grip FH and BH or Rasant powergrip FH and rasant grip BH. The first build is for a more controlled play but still has quite a good offence. The second build has more offence but you lose a bit of control. Your FH arc might be slightly lower with the powergrip according to some reviews/players. Classic player who uses the second build is Stephane Ouaiche, so you might want to watch a few videos to see how he plays with it. Summary: Pros: touchplay, pushes, flicks, BH, and feel are really good. Cons: FH loops is a bit low for my standard but still very good. |
Posted By: unstopabl3
Date Posted: 02/15/2017 at 3:02pm
Thanks for your feedback Stanny, so the blade has a low catapult but what about the speed and spin of the blade? And have you tried any other rubbers with it to see if you can get a higher catapult and arc such as MX-P or Tenergy 05? Seems like a good controlled blade but if it seems slow and I don't know if I will like it after playing with HL5 :P |
Posted By: col6628
Date Posted: 02/15/2017 at 3:45pm
just watch stephane quaiche awesome cheers stanny
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Posted By: unstopabl3
Date Posted: 02/15/2017 at 5:16pm
Viscaria to me felt a bit muted and a bit bouncy on strong loops from the opponent especially when returning heavy spiny loops I also went out of table. Also it felt slower than my YEO 7 Power and I was looking for something faster than it. How fast is the Aruna OFF? I saw ttdaily review in which they said it's slower than butterfly alc blades so I'm assuming it's slower than Viscaria as well, so wouldn't it lose power from mid distance? I guess I won't like it because of it's speed, otherwise it looks like a good blade. What about Aruna OFF+ then? |
Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 02/15/2017 at 10:25pm
What are you doing at mid distance? Don't you know its a sin to back off the table? ------------- https://youtu.be/jhO4K_yFhh8?t=115" rel="nofollow - I like putting heavy topspin on the ball... Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 02/17/2017 at 12:46am
| How much can you spend? ZJK-sZLC? |