Tends to have lower performance than Tenergy series, also lower price. 40-50USD

Why are you assuming  Rozena will have a lower performance than Tenergy? 

jpenmaster wrote: High performance rubber "Rosena" pursuing tolerance " "Rosena" using "spring sponge" that surprised the world. Its feature is the height of "tolerance" which combines a newly developed topsheet with "rope sponge" dyed in rose color. Butterfly unique high tension technology demonstrates power, while compensating for subtle racket angle and swing direction error, create a sense of stability in play. When the performance of "Rosena" is drawn out from the former team by Nakazato's play, its performance approaches the legendary rubber. ● "Tolerance" means tolerance and tolerance in English. It expresses features which are easy to cover error of subtle racket angle and swing direction at hitting the ball

Wait a minute here.  If your racket angle at contact is 55 instead of 50 degrees and you want to hit a backhand down the line but because of a swing direction error it goes crosscourt instead Butterfly Rosena, being a highly tolerant rubber, is going to correct your racket angle and swing direction so as to do what you intended to do in the first place?  Wow.  That sure is some legendary tolerance.  Makes me wish I were born in 1992 instead of 1942 and had 100 bucks to blow on this stuff.

BTY dealer in Thailand tell me that way, it's a controllable T05 with less catapult.
I'm sorry if it's not true in the recent future. The release should be around April - May.

It does just what I do.

And since my technique ain't perfect,

It's sometimes up I screw.

It won't correct an eff-up

Or even a minor miscue.

Which means I'll lose to people

Whose rubbers can and do.

I probably should buy Rozena

But I can't afford the price.

But playing with a rubber so tolerant,

That really would be nice.

So I guess I'll stick with Leyland

Which doesn't give much help,

And watch my game go down the drain

While I piss and moan and yelp.

At least I can play hardbat

If not too tolerantly

Where nobody plays Rozena

In Tucson, no sireee!

Lolzzzzz, love it

EJ devil got me again.

"developed in the pursuit of 'tolerance'..."

...

Tolerance for what? Butterfly sky-high prices?...

 

Impression Rozena is difference from Tenergy in term of Bounciness and Catapult effect. It has more linear behavior for one who hate Tenergy springiness. Gripness is almost the same

Need some more days to break though the rubber.

What's the weight of this rubber compare to Tenergy?  

Rozena....

I just bought a rubber named Rozena,

And suddenly my game

Will never be the same

For me (or my opponents).

Rozena....

I just played a match with Rozena

And suddenly did discover

How beautiful a rubber

Could beeeeeeee!

Rozena....

Play it loud and it's always loop killing,

Play it soft and it's equally thrilling...

Rozena....

I'll never stop playing Rozena!

The most beautiful sound in the whole world---

Ro-zeeee-nnnnn-aaaaa (pianissimo)

To me it seems like a lower throw 05. With less spin. Also looks like a thicker topsheet.

I would recommend this to players who find 05 a bit high throw on the FH. Or want something like a slower T80. Not by much though.

I personally did not like it on the x5, will try it on a more flexible blade where I find 05 too bouncy and high throw.

Weighed the whole package, 94 gr.

So I got a sheet last week and tried it with a robot this weekend.

I have Evo EL-P (a few months old) on the other side and this is just based on one quick robot session...

Overall, Rozena plays very much like Evo EL-P.  It does not have the hard feel like MX-P.  So IMO, Rozena is closer to Evo EL-P than MX-P.  Also, when you examine the rubber, the top sheet looks very much like Tenergy.  I didn't pay attention to the thickness of it.  But it looks like a Tenergy topsheet.  Since I was quite excited to try it, I completely forgot to weight it even though I asked the question earlier... LOL.

In comparing EL-P, here it is:

On service, both rubbers generate about the same spin.  Rozena can generate good spin like you expect from a Tenergy rubber.

On short push, the ball spin seems a bit weak.  So the "bite" on the ball is a bit less than Tenergy, but in par with EL-P

Lifting Backspin shots is not as easy as I expected for bigger drive loop.  But for short spinny loop, it is much easier. So perhaps the sponge is a bit too firm and the top sheet does not have enough bite to pickup the ball for bigger stroke at times.  Or it can just be my poor technique...:(

Rozena is also not very sensitive to incoming spin in general.

Rozena clearly has a higher throw than EL-P, very much like Tenergy 05 high throw. So to me, this suits the FH side because I like a higher throw on FH.

This also makes service receive quite easier for those short push of Backspin serve over the net short.

The rebound from incoming balls are pretty much the same between the two rubbers.  When I hit the ball, the Rozena does have a louder sound than EL-P. But overall, the speed on the two rubbers are similar.  Granted, I don't have the space to test any long distance shots.  Some one can do this test from the club play.

All in all, I didn't have to change much on the strokes to adjust between the two rubbers except the higher throw from Rozena on timing.  The blade that I have is Tibhar Samsonov Force Pro Black Edition.  So this is a Clipper clone blade with some flex to it and a bit high throw.

I think that Rozena is definitely a tamed Tenergy that has some of the Tenergy characteristics with lesser spin and speed.  The rubber does have a higher tolerance and it is very easy to play with.  But there are other rubbers that have the similar characteristics.  So this may be a good one if someone wants to stay with Butterfly brand and enjoy some of the Tenergy traits with a lower price.

Faluska, WHAT !!! ?

Believer has a good comparison with EL-P really - they're similar types of rubber in terms of use.  I'd give Rozena the edge in spin (and throw), and EL-P feels faster/bouncier to me.

Compared to T05, Rozena...

...less low-end catapult

...reduced spin sensitivity

...slightly harder to produce spin

...bit softer

...slightly lower throw (but still high)

It's also surprisingly loud on flat hits, which was a nice surprise for a rubber that isn't particularly soft-sponged.

Rozena has a very easy-going short game, much better than any of the Tenergy line.  I'd say that was the biggest advantage you get with it, while sacrificing some spin from half-hearted strokes.  I'd personally choose it over any Tenergy, and it's cheaper too.

The comparison with something like Karis is another one worth making - both are going for the no-nonsense, good performance without being demanding market.  Rozena is pretty laid-back in the short game and still has good top-end catapult, and I'd say this maps well to how Karis behaves too in terms of linearity.  But Rozena has better spin capabilities than Karis, and throws higher.  In contrast, Karis plays laser sharp with ridiculous precision, and Rozena needs more care with bat angles and attention to the quality of the incoming ball when the rally is opened up.

I'd say it's like T05 but with 10% less sponge hardness, speed, catapult (all from the low gears), spin.  For me, this makes it a better rubber for my level of play and needs, but I'd advise existing Tenergy users to be wary of the trade-off being made here - you might miss the features Rozena has toned-down.

In the same way that T05 is an even more expensive Andro Hexer, yes.

Rubber relativism is fun.

I had another session with Rozena last night.  When butterfly first announced it I did wonder about how it was being pitched and what the end result would be.  If it really is a toned-down tenergy, doesn't that put it squarely in the sights of some ESN rubbers which are cheaper anyway?  Well, yes and no I suppose.  The main thing is that Rozena retains the Tenergy wibbly-wobbly feel for the most part, and no other rubber series has ever got close to that.  Plus it has that super-nice loop feel with surprising spin levels.  

After using it a little more I think it has more high-end catapult than I originally thought, but it definitely has a noticeable short-game advantage over tenergy.  And it sounds great on hard hits if that floats your boat.  So if you want a slightly more inert (and cheaper) tenergy experience then it's worth a stab.  I wouldn't call it a beginner's rubber - it has much better performance than Roundell or Sriver G3 for example.  But I do miss the sharper and more direct feel of my usual ESN fare.

If it's Butterfly's gateway drug then Rozena is the ketamine to Tenergy's blue sky crystal meth.

Nah, 05 has much more arc and is jumpier.   Obviously, Hexer doesn't have a spring sponge feel, but I wouldn't be surprised if the playing characteristics were pretty similar.

That was my point.  They feel very different, and you might be surprised by how different Rozena feels in comparison with something like Hexer.  Rozena is far more like Tenergy than anything else.  If you were prepared to call the playing properties close to Hexer, you're basically throwing all medium-hard rubbers with good spin and medium-high arc into the same bucket.  This is casting the net quite wide, and could well be true (why nitpick over a few small details when describing rubbers after all - hardly the most important thing to concentrate on in the game), but would give me less to talk about so I don't like it.

I don't think this is true at all, but I will defer to your expertise at this time.  Hexer has very specific properties that I think have gotten better with the plastic ball.

I'm sure you'll get to try a sheet of Rozena out at some point in the near future.  Always interesting to find out what you think.

Regardless of how it feels, or plays, Rozena still struggles to justify the price tag when compared to everything else out there IMO, but it will find its market I'm sure.

AndySmith wrote: I'm sure you'll get to try a sheet of Rozena out at some point in the near future.

Wait, wut? I'm confused.

Is NL going back and forth arguing about what Rozena is like without having tried out the rubber?

About what Hexer is like.  And I used Hexer for 3 months in tournament play.  And Andy compared Hexer to Tenergy 05, which I have used much more.

I'm not sure if you got what I was saying.

AndySmith wrote: NextLevel wrote: A more expensive Andro Hexer. In the same way that T05 is an even more expensive Andro Hexer, yes.

Meaning that it isn't.  Neither are.  Both statements are wrong in the same way.  That kind of thing.

It was amazing in my own head.  I need to get out more.

I find that the slightly inert low gear gives way to the high-end catapult a bit suddenly sometimes, but beyond that, it's pretty lovely.  It has that gummy tenergy feel that perhaps lacks a little directness as well.  But the main thing that stands out for me is that it sorts out the majority of the quibbles I have with something like T05 while making only minor sacrifices of things I need at my level.  It still isn't cheap, but it is cheaper, and if the durability holds up then the slight premium over ESN prices might level it all out anyway.

Quick stack, from the top - Rozena, Goldarc 5, Rasanter R42, Rasanter V42.

I'll try to get some cut-offs of some tenergy in the near future.  That would be a far more interesting comparison.

And here is the Rose Lady with a mystery blade.  What could it be?

vajica wrote: Andy, I am boring you again with my everlasting quest, replacing Adidas P7 on my FH  I am currently playing with 05FX 2.1, it checks almost all the boxes on Hadraw SK blade (short, spinny serve, lots of rotation on well executed loops), the only exception being it is less forgiving when I try to do a slow save shot when out of position, makes me lose quite a few points on a days when the feet are not working properly. If you played with 05fx, please tell your opinion, should I stick with it, or try Rosena (2.1? )? Thanks!!!!!

Even though I like soft sponges in general, I never really liked 05FX.  It was just too flyaway and catapulty for me - found it hard to use in comparison with soft ESN or even the other FX tenergys.

That said, it's hard for me to give a good answer to your question mate - I don't know enough about what you're doing in those situations.  All I can say is that I find Rozena to be much more predictable and sensible in the low gears in general, and I would expect that to be the case in comparison with something like 05FX, yes.  But you would be giving up the early catapult and bounciness of 05FX if you made the switch, and you might not like that!  I'm using Rozena on the BH side on the whole, but I did find it good on the FH side when I tried it there too.  It's less wild than 05FX, but maybe you need that wildness.

Possibly, but I'm not sure it will be enough of a difference for you.  It's definitely softer than regular tenergy sponge hardness, and not everyone will like that.  The arc also flattens out more than you might expect on harder, direct hits for a medium density sponge.

PringlesRingles wrote: Viscaria light?

Nope, but the handle is close to that isn't it?  It isn't Butterfly.

kuifje wrote: Could anyone compare Rozena to Rasanter and/or EL-S?

EL-S is the closer of the two.  Rozena has better spin in the lower gears (and is slower there too) and higher arc than EL-S.  Both have reasonable catapult on harder hits with EL-S being a bit faster at the top end.

Rasanter is a different beast really, although I suppose it depends on which version you want to compare.  R47 is harder in sponge and topsheet, faster pretty much everywhere, is more linear, more demanding, similar arc on harder hits, more direct feel.

When I'm on the run and desperate, I tend to chop on the BH side and fish on the FH side.  Not sure why - it just works better for me that way.  Rozena actually chops quite well in this kind of situation, but it does need a bit of effort - it doesn't feel as sharp as ESN, or as immediately bouncy as the FX sponges.  It's only dead-er-er in the passive game - the spin is surprisingly excellent as soon as you work the ball in any way.

And effort is the key - it needs a bit more "whatever" to get the job done - wrist in your case I guess.  Although it does feel harder than 05FX, it's a bit softer than P7 IMO, so I don't think that will be a problem as such for you.

It's a bit of an unfair tease by me really.  It's yet to be released.

Can't wait to see the answer of the mysterious blade. As the handle cups regards, I think I am "in" 101%, but about the blade....hmmmvery difficult to say...I will insist on a DHS arylate carbon.

This will be an interesting comparison.

Unfair mystery blade reveal:

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