Custom ZLC blade wood choice
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Topic: Custom ZLC blade wood choice
Posted By: jpenmaster
Subject: Custom ZLC blade wood choice
Date Posted: 04/24/2017 at 6:47pm
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If you could build an innerforce type zlc blade what wood veneer combo would you use? ------------- OSP Expert II w DNA Dragon Grip |
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Posted By: tiehwen
Date Posted: 04/24/2017 at 7:06pm
my 1st choice would be dark limba  then Koto.------------- http://mytabletennis.net/Forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17089" rel="nofollow - I love & am inspired by Malala Yousufzai's "True & Tough" LIFE STORY |
Posted By: jpenmaster
Date Posted: 04/24/2017 at 7:25pm
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I want to build myself a few blades so I have black limba, koto,and spruce veneers. I have ayous and balsa cores plus a few yards of Textreme ZLC . The zylon/carbon is the same company who makes the Stiga carbonado carbon weave. ------------- OSP Expert II w DNA Dragon Grip |
Posted By: aeoliah
Date Posted: 04/24/2017 at 11:38pm
Hi, you are going to make the blade by yourself ?  ------------- Member of the Single Ply Hinoki Club Viscaria Super ALC C-Pen Rasanter C48 |
Posted By: Magic_M
Date Posted: 04/25/2017 at 1:16am
I have tested (much too) much blades in the last years and I have had the best experiences with two combinations:
Therefore it depends on the thickness of your veneers, which combination should be the best. For the core personally I don`t really like balsa with one exception: a thin balsa-core combined with a hard composite layer directly over the core. Otherwise I clearly prefer ayous or kiri for the core.
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Posted By: aeoliah
Date Posted: 04/25/2017 at 4:06am
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Hi Magic_M, may I know why you don't like balsa core ? Is it the sound or performance ? ------------- Member of the Single Ply Hinoki Club Viscaria Super ALC C-Pen Rasanter C48 |
Posted By: Magic_M
Date Posted: 04/25/2017 at 8:55am
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A balsa core makes the blade bouncy and non-linear. The thicker the core, the bouncier is the blade. Therefore a 7-ply blade with a thin balsa core (like Tibhar Illusion Killer) is a good solution. ------------- http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51774&title=feedback-magic-m" rel="nofollow - My Feedback |
Posted By: Jasonh
Date Posted: 04/25/2017 at 2:58pm
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I just received a blade from an eBay seller from Lithuania featuring a structure similar to Magic_M's "koto spruce basalt ayous", haven't tried it out yet. ------------- Fly away! |
Posted By: jpenmaster
Date Posted: 04/25/2017 at 3:15pm
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The veneer place I use has some really nice white ash in right now. Looks like I will try these 2 first and see how it goes. Going to start out with a 3mm core . Koto/Spruce/ZLC/Ayous/ZLC/Spruce/Koto Limba/Spruce/ZLC/Ayous/ZLC/Spruce/Limba ------------- OSP Expert II w DNA Dragon Grip |
Posted By: jpenmaster
Date Posted: 04/25/2017 at 3:22pm
White ash Here is the zylon / carbon I purchased  ------------- OSP Expert II w DNA Dragon Grip |
Posted By: mhnh007
Date Posted: 04/25/2017 at 3:26pm
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jpenmaster - whatever you decide to make, make an extra one for forum members to test. I won't do the testing (not playing much atm, but would love to read review form others. |
Posted By: jpenmaster
Date Posted: 04/25/2017 at 3:31pm
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I will pass out my rejects lol. I just need to remember to make one anatomic.... ------------- OSP Expert II w DNA Dragon Grip |
Posted By: tiehwen
Date Posted: 04/25/2017 at 3:37pm
Have we not seen enough or learned any lesson or 2 here? ------------- http://mytabletennis.net/Forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17089" rel="nofollow - I love & am inspired by Malala Yousufzai's "True & Tough" LIFE STORY |
mhnh007 wrote:Posted By: mhnh007
Date Posted: 04/25/2017 at 3:40pm
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I like to see a blade with 'White Ash - ZLC - koto - ayous - koto - ZLC - White Ash'. my reason is that I love White Ash top ply (there not enough blade with it commercially available), I am not a big fan of inner composite. |
Posted By: tom
Date Posted: 04/25/2017 at 3:46pm
| "That blade will disappear after awhile & months & months or even yrs later it will re-surface in the FS section...LOL." even homemade blades ? - sad |
Posted By: jpenmaster
Date Posted: 04/25/2017 at 3:46pm
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I think ayous core will be the best. I like the innerforce blades so keeping the zlc on the core should still give me that wood feel. Limba and spruce seem to be popular middle plies so I might have to experiment a bit. Limba and Koto seem to be the outer veneers of choice. Ash and walnut are other options. I know I have to use epoxy on the zlc layer and I plan to use hide/bone glue on wood to wood. If the hide glue doesn't work I will use titebond. I think i sbould use epoxy or titebond on the handle. I have a small roarockit vacuum press to keep them flat and air pocket free. I am open to suggestions ------------- OSP Expert II w DNA Dragon Grip |
Posted By: mhnh007
Date Posted: 04/25/2017 at 4:04pm
True, but if I build a blade, I would be flattered if someone would take the time to test it and give me feed back. |
Posted By: mhnh007
Date Posted: 04/25/2017 at 4:12pm
I heard that hide glue is not easy to work with, it can warp the blade, if the gluing and drying process is not done right. |
Posted By: jpenmaster
Date Posted: 04/25/2017 at 4:23pm
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That is why I was going to leave it in the vacuum press for at least 24 hours. I think i should epoxy the core/zlz/spruce together press it over night,let it sit for a day then hide glue on the outer veneer and repress it for at least 24 hours. If it warps or is too much trouble I can just use titebond ------------- OSP Expert II w DNA Dragon Grip |
Posted By: penholderxxx
Date Posted: 04/25/2017 at 9:26pm
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Hi, My experience with ordinary white wood glue is very satisfactory. I have used this glue when my xiom katana 10 mm split into two. The blade is still good. On another occasion, I had also used this glue when I changed the handle pieces of a blade. Very good bond, no problem ......so far. I do not know if this glue is suitable for zlc or other fabrics though. penholderxxx ------------- Iloveplayingtabletennis |
Posted By: CraneStyle
Date Posted: 04/26/2017 at 9:33pm
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Koto outer on one side, Limba outer on the other side would be interesting... ------------- 1. Mizutani Jun ZLC, FH T80, BH T05 |
Posted By: tiehwen
Date Posted: 04/26/2017 at 9:50pm
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Posted By: jpenmaster
Date Posted: 04/27/2017 at 1:36pm
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Got my Koto and Limba veneers in...Spruce, balsa and ayous are in the mail. I might order some Ash and Maple as well. I think building a real "violin" (maple/spruce/Hide glue) would be interesting. I had a few people ask about where I got my wood. I got most of my veneers from certainly wood. The Balsa cores and Spruce sheets I got from national balsa. The ayous cores came from always hobbies in the UK it is also called Obeche. Roarockit makes the vacuum press I ordered the 26x28 . Elite motoring on ebay sells the ZLC and carbon from Textreme. ------------- OSP Expert II w DNA Dragon Grip |
Posted By: taczkid
Date Posted: 04/28/2017 at 11:56am
try ZLC as your outer layer (lol) it looks too nice to be on the inside 
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Posted By: jpenmaster
Date Posted: 04/29/2017 at 10:08am
This Textreme ZLC is strange. I was expecting a smaller "weave" like regular carbon fiber.. ------------- OSP Expert II w DNA Dragon Grip |
Posted By: Liquid Sky
Date Posted: 04/29/2017 at 3:33pm
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Textreme fabric is a spread tow fabric. ------------- XIOM - Vega Pro (2,0 mm) |
Posted By: jpenmaster
Date Posted: 04/30/2017 at 10:20am
Got material in for handles. Ironwood is HEAVY!!! ------------- OSP Expert II w DNA Dragon Grip |
Posted By: jpenmaster
Date Posted: 05/08/2017 at 4:13pm
Got my first zlc prototype done.. I need to work on my woodworking skills lol ------------- OSP Expert II w DNA Dragon Grip |
Posted By: jpenmaster
Date Posted: 05/09/2017 at 8:51am
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Not sure yet. This one has an ayous core ,limba inner,zlc then Koto outer. I am still trying to figure it all out. This one has a solid handle ,weighs 97 grams and is 6.0mm thick so its a little heavy . I used a really thin Koto veneer and i can just barely feel the zlc weave pattern. I am still experimenting with epoxy on the zlc. First blade i did i used too much and the blade felt like stone this one i used less but not sure how durable it will be. Hopefully I can play with this one tomorrow. ------------- OSP Expert II w DNA Dragon Grip |
Posted By: jpenmaster
Date Posted: 05/17/2017 at 1:03pm
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Posted By: tiehwen
Date Posted: 05/17/2017 at 1:19pm
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cool "Custom-made" blade, 1-of-a-kind... More "expensive" than those beat up Viscaria ST, S T & F L.... ------------- http://mytabletennis.net/Forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17089" rel="nofollow - I love & am inspired by Malala Yousufzai's "True & Tough" LIFE STORY |
Posted By: jpenmaster
Date Posted: 05/17/2017 at 1:55pm
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Posted By: stiltt
Date Posted: 05/17/2017 at 2:57pm
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No alc here? Is it a violin clone? With hide glue only? ------------- /forum/topic91512_page1.html#1124698" rel="nofollow - sales - forum_posts.asp?TID=19315" rel="nofollow - feedback |
Posted By: jpenmaster
Date Posted: 05/17/2017 at 3:09pm
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This one is spruce,spruce,ash. It's 6.95mm thick and weighs 97 grams. Yes it has Hide glue except the handle, that's titebond 3 which is just a waterproof yellow type wood glue. No composites in this one. I am also building a spruce core, maple inner and spruce outer blade so something like what a real violin would be made of. ------------- OSP Expert II w DNA Dragon Grip |
Posted By: jpenmaster
Date Posted: 05/18/2017 at 8:30am
This is the spruce and maple I am also trying out ------------- OSP Expert II w DNA Dragon Grip |
Posted By: CraneStyle
Date Posted: 05/18/2017 at 1:36pm
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Great project... Thanks for sharing... ------------- 1. Mizutani Jun ZLC, FH T80, BH T05 |
Posted By: jpenmaster
Date Posted: 05/23/2017 at 2:17pm
Made my own handle this time. Blade is ash/ash/spruce/zlc/spruce/ash/ash  ------------- OSP Expert II w DNA Dragon Grip |
Posted By: *_strataras_*
Date Posted: 05/23/2017 at 2:30pm
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Great efford friend! I really admire you! ------------- OSP Virtuoso SQST Tenergy 05(black 1,9mm FH) Tenergy 05(red 1,9mm BH) http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=74157&title=feedback-strataras" rel="nofollow - Feedback |
Posted By: Soundoff88
Date Posted: 05/23/2017 at 2:30pm
ZLC smack in the middle of the core. Very interesting. Wonder how it plays? |
Posted By: jpenmaster
Date Posted: 05/23/2017 at 7:41pm
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Learned a lesson today. I made this blade 7mm but after the zlc , new glue and new epoxy it finished at 7.4mm . I made the handle at work and left it solid I also left the blade solid in the handle area as well. It felt balanced but a little on the heavy side. I put it on the scale when I got home and bam 129 grams hahahahaha looks like some OX long pips need to go on this blade lol. ------------- OSP Expert II w DNA Dragon Grip |
Posted By: tiehwen
Date Posted: 05/23/2017 at 8:14pm
what a beast... well...send this out to any of those "testers" who always long for freebies. Postage/shipping not included & lets just see who would be that 1st lucky 1. ------------- http://mytabletennis.net/Forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17089" rel="nofollow - I love & am inspired by Malala Yousufzai's "True & Tough" LIFE STORY |