DHS H3 Challenge
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Topic: DHS H3 Challenge
Posted By: chop4ever
Subject: DHS H3 Challenge
Date Posted: 05/12/2017 at 4:30am
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It seems that the term “Provincial team” (Prov), “pro” (Nittaku H3), “National team” (NT) DHS Hurricane 3 is a common sense and has been recognised all over the table tennis realm. People have heard those terms time by time, over and over, until they accepted them un-doubtfully. I don’t affirm that all of “strange” H3 on earth are faked. However I wonder why many people could buy many “prov” or “NT” H3 which has been claimed “chosen only for Chinese team”. Critically, have you ever stop and think -without any bias- which one have you bought? Have you ever tried an actual in using bat of an actual CNT in a real serious competition? What different from yours? For who has been doing and willing to buy more “better” version H3, who has purchased a huge money to seek for “higher quality” H3, I challenge you to join my competition. The rule is simple: - Confirm to join the challenge in this topic. You might write something about your level and interest. I accept only 10 first coming challengers. - PM me your address - I will send you an uncut H3 plus a bottle 50ml booster with my boosting instruction. Please note that my H3 is only an ordinary “commercial” version which could be bought by a reasonable price ($25-$30). You can also use it without boosting first, and then boost it afterward. - Use it! (of course) then compare to any pro, prov, nt, ect,…H3 that you have bought or currently been having. The comparison could be in term of power, speed, control, life time, effective using time, grip, tackiness, hardness, cost efficiency, time to make bubble,…You have 1 month to give me the feedback. Then here are my conditions: - If a “normal, ordinary, commercial” H3 could beat all “prov, pro, nt, blue sponge” H3, why shouldn’t you stop feeding the fraud? - If my H3 could beat all the $80-$100 H3, please answer how much would you purchase for me to buy another rubber? - If my rubber hasn’t disappointed you, please pay for me $30 plus shipping cost (which you could find on the post parcel). Pay via Paypal as friend. - If you think it is crap, then just ignore the payment, but please give us the feedback and reasons made you think the “pro” H3 is better. I will not compliant anything. Honestly I want to make money and it is fair because I sell lower price but higher quality H3. Yet my H3 is very normal, “extra”-ordinary, but you have tried before purchasing. Why must be “pro” or “blue” but lower quality? ------------- There is no real "pro", "prov" or "NT" H3 in the market. Falco is not a booster |
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Posted By: pleiades
Date Posted: 05/12/2017 at 10:30am
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Hi, I'd like to try a sheet please. I have tried h3 neo commercial in the past, recently H3 neo provincial orange and blue sponge (purportedly) and also h3 neo national blue sponge (also purportedly) Cheers |
Posted By: zeio
Date Posted: 05/12/2017 at 11:43am
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It'd be only fair to compare a piece of boosted commercial H3 with another piece of boosted provincial or national H3. Tenergy is crap compared to glued Sriver, right? ------------- Viscaria FL - 91g + Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
Posted By: Fulanodetal
Date Posted: 05/12/2017 at 11:58am
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Well, I have tried the commercial H3, unboosted and boosted. And I have tried the Blue Sponge H3, Provincial and National. (Not knowing whether these were fake or not mind you,) and the blue ones played much better than the commercial sheets I tried. I have used 3 layers, then 2 layers and went to unboosted. It feels to me they still play better than the Orange sponge ones. So, Im sorry but I will keep using the blue sponge ones (fake or not). The quality does vary a bit, but I have trouble telling any difference between Provincial and National. So I am buying prov bs H3 at a store here in Canada from a chinese coach. I know some ppl like to point out that the originals are nearly impossible to get your hands to, blah blah blah.... but, funny enough, the ones I have been lucky to find have been the best FH rubbers I have ever used bar none. So, Im sticking to them. Or better yet, sticking them to my blade! FdT
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Posted By: andywang
Date Posted: 05/12/2017 at 5:37pm
| I want to try this challenge. I have a old H3 neo on my stiga vps but its not tacky anymore. The first 3 days of using it, it was great--it spins well, is fast and makes contact. I then had tried my friends H3 National and it felt so much livelier. I would love to partake in your challenge. |
Posted By: chop4ever
Date Posted: 05/13/2017 at 5:17am
You're welcome! ------------- There is no real "pro", "prov" or "NT" H3 in the market. Falco is not a booster |
pleiades wrote:Posted By: chop4ever
Date Posted: 05/13/2017 at 5:18am
Not sure what do u mean. However, most "special" h3 come by untuned form. So we could do comparison in 2 stages: untune and then tuned. ------------- There is no real "pro", "prov" or "NT" H3 in the market. Falco is not a booster |
Posted By: chop4ever
Date Posted: 05/13/2017 at 5:21am
Great! please PM me your postal address. ------------- There is no real "pro", "prov" or "NT" H3 in the market. Falco is not a booster |
Posted By: chop4ever
Date Posted: 05/13/2017 at 5:22am
Just to confirm that I have a good quality control system, so I could say 10 rubbers will have the same characteristic. ------------- There is no real "pro", "prov" or "NT" H3 in the market. Falco is not a booster |
Posted By: zeio
Date Posted: 05/13/2017 at 1:25pm
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No one who is willing to shell out that amount of money will in their right minds use the provincial or national H3 untuned. If your booster formula can supercharge a commercial H3, the same should be true for the other two, which defeats the whole purpose of this challenge. If not, then your booster is no better than what is available on the market. In case a commercial H3 with your booster comes up short, then all those provincial or national H3 are indirectly proven to be superior. ------------- Viscaria FL - 91g + Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
Posted By: mon22
Date Posted: 05/13/2017 at 3:09pm
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Down for the challenge I've always played with the commercial for a week or two (3x to 6x sessions) before I remove it to boost I've multiple H3 that starts out the package lively, and a few that's just completely dead. I usually try to play through before boosting it. Forces me to move my feet Do we have to use YOUR booster? Or can we use our own methods ------------- I am a total Newb. Come at me! |
Posted By: andywang
Date Posted: 05/13/2017 at 8:12pm
| Hey i sent you an email, haven't heard back from you. Just letting you know i am so excited to participate tbh, always wanted to use a booster |
Posted By: chop4ever
Date Posted: 05/13/2017 at 9:52pm
You've made a good point here! When we put everything on a competition, they must be fair. That means if we are not using booster, then must be altogether. If we use booster, then must be the same kind and method. In case you apply my Reviver to the Pro, prov, and NT, they will be faster, springier and still firm. However, in term of tackiness, accuracy, consistency, longevity and even powerful loop-drive effectiveness, my comparable H3 is still much more higher! Let join in and see! ------------- There is no real "pro", "prov" or "NT" H3 in the market. Falco is not a booster |
Posted By: chop4ever
Date Posted: 05/13/2017 at 9:57pm
You have been booked in! ------------- There is no real "pro", "prov" or "NT" H3 in the market. Falco is not a booster |
Posted By: chop4ever
Date Posted: 05/13/2017 at 10:00pm
Challenge accepted. I need your postal address to my PM. You could use your own method to see how different is. However, in this case I also want to challenge the booster you are using! Be fair to the competition. If you apply booster, it must be the same for both sides. ------------- There is no real "pro", "prov" or "NT" H3 in the market. Falco is not a booster |
Posted By: chop4ever
Date Posted: 05/15/2017 at 3:19am
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Anyone else? For who hasn't sent me your address, pls do it now cuz I will collect all addresses and send out tmr morning. ------------- There is no real "pro", "prov" or "NT" H3 in the market. Falco is not a booster |
Posted By: mon22
Date Posted: 05/15/2017 at 4:36am
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What booster is it exactly? By challenging my booster, seamoon and/or falco long, are you sending me two sheets of h3? ------------- I am a total Newb. Come at me! |
Posted By: chop4ever
Date Posted: 05/15/2017 at 10:33am
If for challenging only the booster, then you need only booster. By the name (Seamoon and Falco) I am sure that you will experiment something totally different. The Reviver booster is very thin and even lighter than water. There is nothing similar to Seamoon and Falco. ------------- There is no real "pro", "prov" or "NT" H3 in the market. Falco is not a booster |
Posted By: penholderxxx
Date Posted: 05/16/2017 at 4:35am
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allo chop4ever, will your booster/energiser evaporate quickly or at all once opened ? have you sent any samples to Malaysia ( or Singapore ) ? penholderxxx ------------- Iloveplayingtabletennis |
Posted By: chop4ever
Date Posted: 05/16/2017 at 4:55am
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Hi penholder It will stay forever on glass if you drop a very thin layer of it! But it vanishes quickly on sponge and topsheet. I haven't sent to ASEAN countries except VN. ------------- There is no real "pro", "prov" or "NT" H3 in the market. Falco is not a booster |
Posted By: 100niTenis
Date Posted: 05/16/2017 at 7:39am
| I am using FALCO, and works great for me :) |
Posted By: chop4ever
Date Posted: 05/16/2017 at 8:58am
Understandable. But have you tried something else? ------------- There is no real "pro", "prov" or "NT" H3 in the market. Falco is not a booster |
Posted By: 100niTenis
Date Posted: 05/16/2017 at 3:42pm
| I have tried adding FALCO to other rubbers, and I am not sure if I see any advantage to be honest, but maybe that is just me. I think most of Chinese rubbers will react to FALCO nicely and add that extra touch of speed and spin to the game. |
Posted By: andywang
Date Posted: 05/17/2017 at 2:12am
| any updates on the challenge? is it still goin on? thanks! |
Posted By: chop4ever
Date Posted: 05/17/2017 at 3:18am
Rubber and Reviver have been sent to you and Pleiades ------------- There is no real "pro", "prov" or "NT" H3 in the market. Falco is not a booster |
Posted By: chop4ever
Date Posted: 05/17/2017 at 3:32am
That is your prediction. In fact you haven't actually play Chinese rubber for serious competition or tournament, so you don't know which disadvantage the Falco is. That's why the Dianchi and Kailin is super expensive.... ------------- There is no real "pro", "prov" or "NT" H3 in the market. Falco is not a booster |
Posted By: andywang
Date Posted: 05/17/2017 at 11:31am
Booster too or no?
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Posted By: chop4ever
Date Posted: 05/18/2017 at 12:22am
Of course everything to help you to achieve the best result. ------------- There is no real "pro", "prov" or "NT" H3 in the market. Falco is not a booster |
Posted By: pleiades
Date Posted: 05/18/2017 at 6:31am
Looking forward to it. Many thanks |
Posted By: mon22
Date Posted: 05/18/2017 at 12:14pm
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Waiting on shipment confirmation. I also, offered to pay shipping, to help out a fellow forum member not go bankrupt I support this forum "R&D" 100% ------------- I am a total Newb. Come at me! |
Posted By: cole_ely
Date Posted: 05/18/2017 at 1:01pm
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Any cheap chinese rubber gets really good if you glue it. That's why they're trying to hard to make self-tuning illegal. No surprise here. ------------- Wavestone St with Illumina 1.9r, defender1.7b Please let me know if I can be of assistance. |
Posted By: cole_ely
Date Posted: 05/18/2017 at 1:04pm
Also, I don't believe these rubbers are made by dhs. I think they're the best work of some company like palio or some worker who sneaks in at night and makes these. Many if not most of the fakes are actually better than the dhs versions. If DHS has these great versions, why don't they make them available to their official vendors? Why wouldn't they sell it to Zeropong? According to dhs, their newest and bestest rubber is h8, right? ------------- Wavestone St with Illumina 1.9r, defender1.7b Please let me know if I can be of assistance. |
Posted By: zeio
Date Posted: 05/18/2017 at 1:58pm
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FWIW, sale of the Friendship 755(now commercially available as Friendship 755 faster,) the long pips used by Deng Yaping, was explicitly prohibited until she retired. DHS has officially responded saying the National Hurricane 2/3 used by the team A members are strictly off-limits to the public. Same story for the Armstrong pips used by Fukuhara. ------------- Viscaria FL - 91g + Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
Posted By: berndt_mann
Date Posted: 05/18/2017 at 4:30pm
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Nothing new here. Way back in the late '30s, the Hodgman Rubber Co. made a rubber especially for the American players Sol Schiff, Jimmy McClure, Lou Pagliaro and Buddy Blattner. It was called Hodgman American Pride and was a bit thicker and faster and spinner than the usual hard stuff the general public got. Fake news? Alternative facts? Look it up for yourselves at the USATT website in Tim Boggan's book History of U.S. Table Tennis, Vol. 1. It's something of a tough read, but you should be able to find this little known bit of American table tennis arcana in there somewhere. Or maybe not.
------------- bmann1942 Setup: Mark Bellamy Master Craftsman blade, British Leyland hard rubber |
Posted By: chop4ever
Date Posted: 05/18/2017 at 7:14pm
Hi Cole_ely I have used some of your handicraft works in 2006-2007. When you glued H3 and G999 topsheet to Dawei sponges. They enlightened me. There was a guy in Australia who bought from you and stamp " HK Sample" on it, then he pretended these rubbers from a female coach in Hong Kong. Hence these rubbers would be sold by a huge price, same as "H3 NT blue sponge". “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it" ( http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/joseph-goebbels-on-the-quot-big-lie-quot" rel="nofollow - Joseph Goebbels )I also don't think all the H3 in which name "prov", "pro", "NT", "blue sponge",...are actually from DHS. There is a BIG CONFUSED in this modern world, where truth can be proved as lie and vice versa. ------------- There is no real "pro", "prov" or "NT" H3 in the market. Falco is not a booster |
Posted By: chop4ever
Date Posted: 05/18/2017 at 7:18pm
The challenge is fair. If you glue, you would also glue all. My point here is, even you glue or boost, the "well-known" "super expensive" H3 is still can't compare to an ordinary H3. ------------- There is no real "pro", "prov" or "NT" H3 in the market. Falco is not a booster |
Posted By: Dr.Cho
Date Posted: 05/18/2017 at 11:30pm
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I use Hurricane 3 on forehand on a custom blade. I have used orange oil to a certain extent to get a boost. For a cheap rubber it still does lots of things well. Thanks for the test to see what really can be done with the Hurricane 3 Looking forward to seeing what it will do. Dr Cho
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Posted By: chop4ever
Date Posted: 05/19/2017 at 7:03pm
Thanks for joining the challenge! ------------- There is no real "pro", "prov" or "NT" H3 in the market. Falco is not a booster |
Posted By: chop4ever
Date Posted: 05/24/2017 at 9:36am
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Dear all challengers As soon as you receive the H3 and Reviver, you could glue to the blade and test now. The first test will be free without boosting. Then give me the feedback if that H3 is still powerful enough and how it play in comparison to the "famous" H3 that you have used before? Then peel the rubber out, rub the glue out. Apply Reviver (in the clear bottle) just exactly like the method you have used with any booster (on the bare sponge w/o glue). The rubber will be curled a little bit, don't worry! Just glue it to the blade and play. Now tell me if it is fast and powerful enough in comparison to the "famous" H3 if you apply the same boosting technic? Lastly, maximize the boosting by apply directly Reviver on rubber (still has glue on): use 5ml of Reviver brush to the sponge, wait 30ms then glue to the blade and play. You need a "famous" H3 to compare which one is more powerful? ------------- There is no real "pro", "prov" or "NT" H3 in the market. Falco is not a booster |
Posted By: cole_ely
Date Posted: 05/24/2017 at 12:48pm
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My issue with your experiment is that the tackiness of h3 out of the package is so different from what it will be through the bulk of the life cycle. Just playing with a new sheet for say one hour then a second hour, the second hour will be different from the first. Ideally I would play with it say a month, then do my first glue. One hallmark of "special versions" is usually that the topsheet is usually a little thinner and less tacky right? so more comparable to a broken in sheet of h3 regular. I know the point you're trying to make and I agree with it for sure. I agree your boosted regular h3 is probably better (and better for a professional who would use h3) but the special versions are more like Japanese rubbers. I don't know that any kind of booster is going to make them feel the same. I think most pro's would probably choose the boosted regular. ------------- Wavestone St with Illumina 1.9r, defender1.7b Please let me know if I can be of assistance. |
Posted By: cole_ely
Date Posted: 05/24/2017 at 12:49pm
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but then what do I know about pros? I've never even met one. I have gotten some really authentic national team rubber though and it was hard and tacky. ------------- Wavestone St with Illumina 1.9r, defender1.7b Please let me know if I can be of assistance. |
Posted By: Chairman Meow
Date Posted: 05/24/2017 at 2:02pm
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Are you comparing a boosted regular H3 (chop4ever H3) with a boosted blue sponge H3? Or are you comparing the chop4ever H3 with an unboosted blue sponge H3? They should both be boosted, otherwise it is not fair. ------------- -1 ply Cypress 11.5mm "The Castigator" -H3 Prov. Blue Sponge 2.2mm 41 deg. -H3 Prov. Orange Sponge 2.1mm 37 deg |
Posted By: chop4ever
Date Posted: 05/24/2017 at 7:22pm
If the professional version is more like Japanese rubber (as many one believe so) then CNT doesn't need to boost their rubber. In fact they boost really hard. By that kind of belief, people could spend huge and huge money to buy some "special" version of H3, just because it is DIFFERENT from the H3 they can't play. They HOPE the "special" H3 could help them play as CNT. Hence the fraud become rich as fxxx. My H3 is warranty that the second week will be the same as the first hour. Let's use for 2 weeks before you peel it off for boosting. ------------- There is no real "pro", "prov" or "NT" H3 in the market. Falco is not a booster |
Posted By: chop4ever
Date Posted: 05/24/2017 at 7:29pm
I played against some provincial players who are students. I actually coach for some (as a multiball feeder). They brought some rubbers from their coach and the H3 always very hard and identical. I have bought the whole "pro" H3 in all websites: prott, ttnpp, pingpongtw, eacheng, tt11,directly from France, from USA, CN,...and compare them to Taobao, Aliexpress. I can't say the result because it is conflict to some belief. ------------- There is no real "pro", "prov" or "NT" H3 in the market. Falco is not a booster |
Posted By: cole_ely
Date Posted: 05/24/2017 at 11:09pm
Do they come in fancy packages? Because that's another thing that never made sense to me. ------------- Wavestone St with Illumina 1.9r, defender1.7b Please let me know if I can be of assistance. |
Posted By: mon22
Date Posted: 05/30/2017 at 7:30pm
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Received my parcel Contained 1 H3 - with no factory glue layer 1 Water base glue 1 booster oil *ive never smelled anything close to fish sauce besides fish sauce ------------- I am a total Newb. Come at me! |
Posted By: caratoon
Date Posted: 05/30/2017 at 8:21pm
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If I may add an additional variable to the equation... I have played with TG2 neo, TG3 neo, H3, H3neo, H2, H2 neo, H8. Especially H3 neo, i've had 7+ sheets of it, and I noticed that red sheets of H3 neo play much better than black sheets. Ive even done a test of red and black on the same racket. I found that red sheets are always more dynamic right out of the pack, a little softer, less initial tack but it last much longer than the black sheets. Red sheets play perfectly acceptably on my backhand while black sheets are too dead to block right. Maybe you can see if that is true to other players. I have also tried an genuine H3 bluesponge. I will upload pictures of it if someone wants to see it. I believe it was genuine because it was a regular H3 non neo and my supplier is quite reputable in my area and he said it was from a former b team national player who had a bunch of old sheets and wanted to make a quick buck. It was 39 degrees but felt much harder than that. it was incredebly spinny on brush loops but it was way too hard to get a good loop off topspin with good contact because it would fly out of the rubber because of the hardness before I could spin it. I did not boost the rubber. ------------- Carbonnnnnnnnnnnnnnn BTY Viscaria 88g FH/Bh: MXP/Rasant |
Posted By: chop4ever
Date Posted: 05/31/2017 at 8:48am
There is no water base glue at all! 2 bottles are different kind of Reviver: the clear one for sponge, the white one for topsheet. Look forwards to read your review. ------------- There is no real "pro", "prov" or "NT" H3 in the market. Falco is not a booster |
Posted By: chop4ever
Date Posted: 05/31/2017 at 8:51am
Beleivers, even my H3 is good, now I make up a story to say where was I get these rubbers from...oh, my coach was back from China, where he has a good relationship to Liu Go Liang and he could get a ton of H3 from Liu. Do you believe so? Why you believe in such a story without evidence? ------------- There is no real "pro", "prov" or "NT" H3 in the market. Falco is not a booster |
Posted By: mon22
Date Posted: 05/31/2017 at 11:52pm
Oh nice a reviver for the toosheet is something I definitely need right now Had a HORRIBLE sheet of commercial TG3 with zero tack and grip ------------- I am a total Newb. Come at me! |
Posted By: chop4ever
Date Posted: 06/01/2017 at 1:17am
Is that TG3 a neo version or original version? And one more thing: don't apply the reviver for topsheet to the new DHS rubber! ------------- There is no real "pro", "prov" or "NT" H3 in the market. Falco is not a booster |