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Posted By: The Notorious
Subject: What are the benefits of Chinese rubber if...
Date Posted: 07/14/2017 at 5:53pm
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If the tackiness slowly fades away after a few months? Is it not then an inferior Euro-Jap hard rubber? Can someone explain please, thanks. ------------- HL5 H3 Neo T05 |
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Posted By: Skyline
Date Posted: 07/14/2017 at 6:00pm
| A player at my club is using Hurricane 8 on both sides. When I tried his racket, I was really suprised because I really liked it. Blocking and countering felt really solid(normally with hard china rubber) it's the opposite. Looping was still very nice and spinny. When I had a good look at his rubbers I saw that the topsheet turned greasy and non tacky. It turned out that he cleans his rubber with a foam cleaner after each practice. So the tackiness faded away. So the advantage off non tacky china rubber is the speed and the ease of use. Ofcourse the dip will be a lot less but it's perfectly usable especially if you play a counterstyle based game. I would compare the feeling to Xiom Sigma Europe I |
Posted By: Skyline
Date Posted: 07/14/2017 at 6:01pm
| the advantage compared to euro jap rubber is control and stability. |
Posted By: MLfan
Date Posted: 07/14/2017 at 6:22pm
| there is no advantage lol. if that happens, it's time to change rubbers! |
Posted By: The Notorious
Date Posted: 07/14/2017 at 6:31pm
Happened in like a month? ------------- HL5 H3 Neo T05 |
MLfan wrote:Posted By: HuLimei
Date Posted: 07/14/2017 at 7:16pm
Depends on how often you use and clean. After about the first month it loses its tack but the top sheet remains grippy. Depending on your technique this can be less spinny or more spinny. I had a sheet of Dawei IQUL that became spinnier after losing its tack. The good thing about Chinese rubbers it the top sheets are so durable and the sponge remains hard so you can loop-drive through anything. I found an old sheet of PF4 (about 3 years) that's still grippy. |
Posted By: zeio
Date Posted: 07/14/2017 at 8:39pm
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The tackiness can be maintained for much longer than that if you know what you're doing. ------------- Viscaria FL - 91g + Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
Posted By: slevin
Date Posted: 07/14/2017 at 8:54pm
what do you do to maintain tackiness? ------------- Trade feedback: http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=50787" rel="nofollow - http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=50787 |
Posted By: zeio
Date Posted: 07/14/2017 at 9:31pm
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------------- Viscaria FL - 91g + Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
Posted By: HuLimei
Date Posted: 07/15/2017 at 12:39am
Cat piss works. YOu put your bat in the kitty litter for your cat's next session. Your rubba will be the tackiest |
Posted By: henningf
Date Posted: 07/15/2017 at 8:51am
Clean rubber with water after each session, wipe off (with hand) and put on rubber protector. It differs how long the rubbers stay tacky. (atleast they have for me)
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Posted By: man_iii
Date Posted: 07/15/2017 at 1:37pm
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I heard if you wipe with water and put on Clear packaging tape on the wet surface, you can make a Non-tacky rubber SUPER-TACKY after 24hrs ! But it is illegal by ITTF rules :-) Don't do it on any EXPENSIVE RUBBERS ! You will regret the results :-) Get a 4 or 5 dolla rubber like 729-5 or something and try on that :-) Also when removing the packaging tape I would recommend using Nail Polish Remover to help with the process
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Posted By: wilkinru
Date Posted: 07/16/2017 at 11:50am
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I think the major advantage is that Chinese rubbers are like $5...so change them a lot. ------------- TB ZLF inverted inverted |
Posted By: HuLimei
Date Posted: 07/18/2017 at 1:41pm
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I just found a bat I'd lost for 4 years with an old sheet of Dawei 2008 XP. It was collecting dust in a corner somewhere. Wiped the topsheet with a wet sponge and let it dry and it was still tacky and as bouncy as it was years ago. Maybe not as tacky but it can still generate a serious amount of spin. Will be using this bat for my next session. That's 2 old sheets I found. 1 DHS PF4 and 1 Dawei 2008. Chinese rubbers last forever. |
Posted By: tom
Date Posted: 07/18/2017 at 4:46pm
| isn't super tacky Chinese rubbers = the inferior quality, i.e. provincial is way less tacky than a commercial? so do you really need or want super tacky? |
Posted By: SmackDAT
Date Posted: 07/18/2017 at 5:02pm
So I was about asking the benefits of Chinese rubber is there was minimal tack? (i.e. the difference between a hard Euro-Jap rubber in that case) ------------- Zhang Jike ALC AN (88g) Tenergy 05 Hard (2.1, B) Tenergy 19 (2.1, R) https://goo.gl/bFWoxW" rel="nofollow - https://goo.gl/bFWoxW |
Posted By: tom
Date Posted: 07/18/2017 at 5:42pm
Please rephrase your question - not sure what are you saying.
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Posted By: SmackDAT
Date Posted: 07/18/2017 at 6:01pm
What are the benefits of Chinese rubber vs hard Euro-Jap if the tackiness is low/gone? ------------- Zhang Jike ALC AN (88g) Tenergy 05 Hard (2.1, B) Tenergy 19 (2.1, R) https://goo.gl/bFWoxW" rel="nofollow - https://goo.gl/bFWoxW |
Posted By: tom
Date Posted: 07/18/2017 at 6:24pm
From my experience with H2 /3 variants, it is the ability to generate spin regardless of how tacky the rubber is on the surface that matters(benefit) - in other words don't just judge by how tacky is the surface. If the rubber is not generating quality spin after reboost then I don't see any benefit if you are a loop oriented player
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Posted By: Kolev
Date Posted: 07/18/2017 at 6:43pm
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The most obvious benefit is the price, then it is the speed- slower than most euro-jap which will help to open your moves and develop power.Spin can be very deceptive. Another big advantage is the short game and maybe the serve. Saying all this I don't mean that one will play better with Chinese than eu-jap. Buy and try.They(chinese) are anything but expensive ------------- Hallmark Carbon Extreme (x3) FH: D05/G1/RX BH: Z2/D64/Ω7Pro |
Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 07/18/2017 at 9:29pm
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been a chinese rubber user in my forehand all my life. i still stick to hurricane 3 or globe 999 national boosted. it requires correct techniques but when you get the hang of it, you will have spinnier loops and more control. the thing with chinese rubbers is that you can always do full swings because the bounciness is not much like euro/jap rubbers. ------------- Independent online TT Product reviewer of XIOM, STIGA, JOOLA, SANWEI, GEWO, AIR, ITC, APEX, YASAKA and ABROS ITTF Level 1 Coaching Course Conductor, ITTF Level 1 Coach |
Posted By: onehander
Date Posted: 07/19/2017 at 12:31pm
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Hi Yogi_bear, I appreciate and can really relate to your reviews with your consistent reference points. You often pair up a walnut/spruce or similar type blade with the Chinese rubber. Would you say that is the ideal combination for bringing out the best of Chinese rubber? I'm also curious about your stance with the euro sponge pairing with Chinese top sheets to replicated the feeling of boosted Hurricane 3. Do you think it is possible, or is there anything out there that you would say is close? Tibhar Hybrid K1+ ? Thanks!
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Posted By: Egghead
Date Posted: 07/19/2017 at 4:01pm
Good chinese rubbers are not cheap. The cheap one is hit and miss  ------------- Aurora ST: Rhyzm / Talent OX |
Posted By: Kolev
Date Posted: 07/19/2017 at 5:36pm
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If you refer to dhs provincial and national I have nothing to say.Yes indeed they are expensive, but I don't think that with them we are going to miss less. ------------- Hallmark Carbon Extreme (x3) FH: D05/G1/RX BH: Z2/D64/Ω7Pro |
Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 07/19/2017 at 9:22pm
it is personal preference but i really like chinese rubbers with limba outer or walnut outer plied blades. they seem to pair quite well for me. I have not tried Hybrid K1 but tried hybrids before and for me they are not super good but they are not bad either. I think There is still no close equivalent of H3's among euro hybrids. The topsheet of the H3 is just different and probably it really gives a different feel uness you put an h3 topsheet itself to a euro sponge. ------------- Independent online TT Product reviewer of XIOM, STIGA, JOOLA, SANWEI, GEWO, AIR, ITC, APEX, YASAKA and ABROS ITTF Level 1 Coaching Course Conductor, ITTF Level 1 Coach |
Posted By: Chairman Meow
Date Posted: 07/19/2017 at 9:40pm
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There is H3-60 (yes, H3-60, not TG3-60). It is H3 on a tinarc (#60) sponge. ------------- -1 ply Cypress 11.5mm "The Castigator" -H3 Prov. Blue Sponge 2.2mm 41 deg. -H3 Prov. Orange Sponge 2.1mm 37 deg |
Posted By: DLC1325
Date Posted: 07/20/2017 at 12:48am
Is it a provincial rubber? I've never seen a commercial one. I've been thinking H3 would be nice on the #60 sponge. ------------- http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=75309" rel="nofollow - My Feedback |
Posted By: Chairman Meow
Date Posted: 07/20/2017 at 10:52am
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It's not readily available, but you can get it from prott. It costs around 45 dollars, so it is probably national or provincial. They also have H3 on a white cake sponge (#65) and a red cake sponge (# unknown) I don't know what their characteristics are, though. ------------- -1 ply Cypress 11.5mm "The Castigator" -H3 Prov. Blue Sponge 2.2mm 41 deg. -H3 Prov. Orange Sponge 2.1mm 37 deg |
Posted By: DLC1325
Date Posted: 07/20/2017 at 1:29pm
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Nice. Thanks, Chairman. ------------- http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=75309" rel="nofollow - My Feedback |
Posted By: Chairman Meow
Date Posted: 07/20/2017 at 1:39pm
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http://prott.vip/Product-Details.aspx?productcode=XuXinH3cake60" rel="nofollow - Here is the link ------------- -1 ply Cypress 11.5mm "The Castigator" -H3 Prov. Blue Sponge 2.2mm 41 deg. -H3 Prov. Orange Sponge 2.1mm 37 deg |