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Topic: Traditional Jpen RPB
Posted By: liulin04
Subject: Traditional Jpen RPB
Date Posted: 08/30/2017 at 11:30pm
Unbelievable...  These Japanese players sure are innovative

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Posted By: HuLimei
Date Posted: 08/30/2017 at 11:43pm
This looks quite challenging to do.

STEP 1: Be a Fatass.
STEP 2: ...


Posted By: man_iii
Date Posted: 08/31/2017 at 2:42am
TPB used as RPB Clap Not sure if this will be stable with C-pen. Most likely the J-pen exclusive stroke. All due to that inch-high wall on the handle. 


Posted By: ChichoFicho
Date Posted: 08/31/2017 at 4:13am
It was invented some 35 years ago by Mariano Lukov. He used this shot to beat the multiple All Japan Champion Kiyoshi Saito at the WC.

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Posted By: berndt_mann
Date Posted: 08/31/2017 at 5:48pm
Originally posted by HuLimei HuLimei wrote:

This looks quite challenging to do.

STEP 1: Be a Fatass.
STEP 2: ...

That fatass has one ridiculously dangerous looking traditional j-pen rpb, and his forehand isn't too shabby either.  He has obviously gone at least as far as step 3 into turning a traditional j-pen backhand into a weapon of mass destruction.


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Posted By: Egghead
Date Posted: 08/31/2017 at 8:33pm
His TPB is able to lift underspin (1:18)

It is something like this



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Posted By: HuLimei
Date Posted: 09/01/2017 at 1:45am
Originally posted by berndt_mann berndt_mann wrote:

That fatass has one ridiculously dangerous looking traditional j-pen rpb, and his forehand isn't too shabby either.  He has obviously gone at least as far as step 3 into turning a traditional j-pen backhand into a weapon of mass destruction.

Unfortunately I don't know the 2nd or 3rd step. Maybe you can ask the "professionals" hanging out here


Posted By: ChichoFicho
Date Posted: 09/01/2017 at 1:43pm
This is the guy who first employed the jpen backhand topspin at the highest level in the 80s. He still uses it with great success as you can see at 18s below:



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Posted By: Antuan
Date Posted: 09/01/2017 at 6:04pm
Originally posted by liulin04 liulin04 wrote:

Unbelievable... ย These Japanese players sure are innovative

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuIPcWZmbQM" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuIPcWZmbQM



I really like Hirano Noboyuki's style ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘

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Posted By: penholderxxx
Date Posted: 09/01/2017 at 10:06pm
Would these really qualify as RPB ?
I would have thought they are all TPB but with ingenious  innovation and refinement of the now famous banana.
Mr Loukov, as posted, uses the RPB Jpen but it nothing extra ordinary but I agree completely;  it is a very powerful stroke.

penholderxxx


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Posted By: ChichoFicho
Date Posted: 09/02/2017 at 5:11am
Originally posted by penholderxxx penholderxxx wrote:

Would these really qualify as RPB ?
I would have thought they are all TPB but with ingenious  innovation and refinement of the now famous banana.
Mr Loukov, as posted, uses the RPB Jpen but it nothing extra ordinary but I agree completely;  it is a very powerful stroke.

penholderxxx

Loukov uses  one rubber. It's not RPB but TPB loop.


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Posted By: penholderxxx
Date Posted: 09/02/2017 at 6:42am
Originally posted by penholderxxx penholderxxx wrote:

Would these really qualify as RPB ?
I would have thought they are all TPB but with ingenious  innovation and refinement of the now famous banana.
Mr Loukov, as posted, uses the RPB Jpen but it nothing extra ordinary but I agree completely;  it is a very powerful stroke.

penholderxxx

'Loukov uses  one rubber. It's not RPB but TPB loop.' - ChicoFicho

From his body posture and stroke mechanics at 0.18, it looks to me he was doing a RPB.....his body was rather erect/upright and I could see the red rubber when he closed the blade at the end of the stroke. Thats how I interpret the stroke.
The black side of the blade looks different
Also, nearing the end of the clip when he was serving, he was trying to return the ball again using the RPB at 2.57.
Correct me if I am wrong.

penholderxxx


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Posted By: ChichoFicho
Date Posted: 09/02/2017 at 6:48am
Originally posted by penholderxxx penholderxxx wrote:

Originally posted by penholderxxx penholderxxx wrote:

Would these really qualify as RPB ?
I would have thought they are all TPB but with ingenious  innovation and refinement of the now famous banana.
Mr Loukov, as posted, uses the RPB Jpen but it nothing extra ordinary but I agree completely;  it is a very powerful stroke.

penholderxxx

'Loukov uses  one rubber. It's not RPB but TPB loop.' - ChicoFicho

From his body posture and stroke mechanics at 0.18, it looks to me he was doing a RPB.....his body was rather erect/upright and I could see the red rubber when he closed the blade at the end of the stroke. Thats how I interpret the stroke.
The black side of the blade looks different
Also, nearing the end of the clip when he was serving, he was trying to return the ball again using the RPB at 2.57.
Correct me if I am wrong.

penholderxxx

Good analysis but you are still wrong. He uses only one rubber.


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Posted By: cmugica
Date Posted: 09/02/2017 at 9:01am
Originally posted by penholderxxx penholderxxx wrote:

<div ="msg" style="width: 755.2px; : rgb251, 251, 253;"><table width="99%"><t><tr><td ="BBquote" style="width: 740.275px;">[IMG]From his body posture and stroke mechanics at 0.18, it looks to me he was doing a RPB.....his body was rather erect/upright and I could see the red rubber when he closed the blade at the end of the stroke. Thats how I interpret the stroke<div style=": rgb251, 251, 253;">
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Agreed. He is using RPB.

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Posted By: ChichoFicho
Date Posted: 09/02/2017 at 4:05pm
Originally posted by cmugica cmugica wrote:

Originally posted by penholderxxx penholderxxx wrote:

<div ="msg" style="width: 755.2px; : rgb251, 251, 253;"><table width="99%"><t><tr><td ="BBquote" style="width: 740.275px;">[IMG]From his body posture and stroke mechanics at 0.18, it looks to me he was doing a RPB.....his body was rather erect/upright and I could see the red rubber when he closed the blade at the end of the stroke. Thats how I interpret the stroke<div style=": rgb251, 251, 253;">
<div style=": rgb251, 251, 253;">penholderxxx


Agreed. He is using RPB.

He has only one rubber on his blade. It's not RPB and he has never hit a RPB.


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Posted By: ChichoFicho
Date Posted: 09/02/2017 at 4:47pm


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Posted By: Chairman Meow
Date Posted: 09/02/2017 at 4:51pm
Originally posted by ChichoFicho ChichoFicho wrote:

Originally posted by cmugica cmugica wrote:

Originally posted by penholderxxx penholderxxx wrote:

<div ="msg" style="width: 755.2px; : rgb251, 251, 253;"><table width="99%"><t><tr><td ="BBquote" style="width: 740.275px;">[IMG]From his body posture and stroke mechanics at 0.18, it looks to me he was doing a RPB.....his body was rather erect/upright and I could see the red rubber when he closed the blade at the end of the stroke. Thats how I interpret the stroke<div style=": rgb251, 251, 253;">
<div style=": rgb251, 251, 253;">penholderxxx


Agreed. He is using RPB.

He has only one rubber on his blade. It's not RPB and he has never hit a RPB.

ChichoFicho is correct. If you watch at 0.25 speed, you can clearly see that he is hitting with the red side, and then rotating his wrist during the follow through.


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Posted By: penholderxxx
Date Posted: 09/02/2017 at 8:13pm
Yes, having watched the second posting on Mr Loukov, I agree he is using one rubber on the forehand only.
Having said that, could we say that Mr Lovkou was doing a swipe with the stroke rather than a loop as mentioned by ChichoFicho.
Thks for the posting

penholderxxx


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