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Topic: violin carbon
Posted By: igorigor
Subject: violin carbon
Date Posted: 09/09/2017 at 2:24pm
Finally





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Posted By: arg0
Date Posted: 09/09/2017 at 3:49pm
Finally! I think they decided to release it because of http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=80163&PID=994156&title=violin-on-a-budget#994156" rel="nofollow - this post of mine. Big smile

Joking aside, when Nittaku released Acoustic Carbon, I emailed them to know whether Violin Carbon was on their release schedule, too. They answered it was, but they could not reveal any dates. http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=62612&PID=759712&title=coming-soon-nittaku-acoustic-carbon#759712" rel="nofollow - That was November 2013 . It took them four years...
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Posted By: arg0
Date Posted: 09/09/2017 at 4:05pm
Interestingly, it has the same thickness as regular Violin, 5.3mm. I would have expected that it were a fraction of mm thicker, because of the carbon, and to allow Nittaku to market it as "adapted for the new ball".

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Posted By: jonyer1980
Date Posted: 09/09/2017 at 5:18pm
OMG I've been waiting this for ages. Now my ej virus was healed :(

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Posted By: Magic_M
Date Posted: 09/09/2017 at 5:36pm
Where is this Violin Carbon available? Which shop has it on stock?

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Posted By: kindof99
Date Posted: 09/09/2017 at 5:45pm
Available November 2017, in two months

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Posted By: arg0
Date Posted: 09/09/2017 at 5:58pm
Originally posted by jonyer1980 jonyer1980 wrote:

OMG I've been waiting this for ages. Now my ej virus was healed :(

I bet in a year or so they will rename it Violin Outer Carbon and release an Inner Carbon.

BTW, with reference to your signature. The price of Violin Carbon seems a bit "abusive" to me as well, it's not just Butterfly...

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Posted By: h0n1g
Date Posted: 09/09/2017 at 9:01pm
Oh god yes. This will be "pre-order material"

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Posted By: jonyer1980
Date Posted: 09/10/2017 at 5:30am
Originally posted by arg0 arg0 wrote:

Originally posted by jonyer1980 jonyer1980 wrote:

OMG I've been waiting this for ages. Now my ej virus was healed :(

I bet in a year or so they will rename it Violin Outer Carbon and release an Inner Carbon.

BTW, with reference to your signature. The price of Violin Carbon seems a bit "abusive" to me as well, it's not just Butterfly...


Yes, you're right. I'm playing wit a RWV for my 5th season in a row. When I break it, I will never buy any expensive blade again since I can play the same with a Fang Bo 2 or 7 plies version at 40$ or less.

The thing that I don't fancy to pay for 240€ for new Tenergy every year, but I could afford a expensive blade once every 5-7 years since it's more durable that any rubber...


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Posted By: Mickael
Date Posted: 09/10/2017 at 6:09am
The best of all can't wait

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Posted By: arg0
Date Posted: 09/10/2017 at 1:00pm
This is a side view of Violin Carbon (source: nittaku.com). Clearly, carbon is between the 1st and 2nd layers, which is also confirmed by the text on the blade ("Built-in Carbon Outside").



I've never found out with certainty whether hide glue is used in the regular Violin (see http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19924&PID=978259&title=member-of-acoustic-and-violin-clan#978259" rel="nofollow - this and the following posts ): the blade just says "This blade is made with the special plywood technology as manufacturing stringed instruments". It does not mention hide glue. Nor is hide glue widely used in the manufacturing of strings, nowadays. Moreover, this same text is printed on Violin Carbon. So I wonder whether they could use the same glue than regular Violin or had to use a different glue. The carbon blade will feel different for sure, but not necessarily lose the special "Violin feeling" that was also lost in the regular (non-carbon) Acoustic, IMHO.
Update: what I wanted to say is that, IMO, Violin has a special feeling that I could not find in the other blades of the strings series (Acoustic, Tenor): they're all very good but also very different. So I think that either Nittaku used a different "special plywood technology" to give Violin it "special feeling" , or the secret is not in the technology, but rather in how the technology harmonizes with the composition of Violin. In the latter case, I still have some hope that the "Violin feeling" will not be totally lost in the Carbon version.
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Posted By: Basquests
Date Posted: 09/10/2017 at 8:48pm
Originally posted by fatt fatt wrote:

Special glue is used to put the Violin's plies together; maybe hide glue or something alike that gives that unique feel. Adding carbon will force the folks at Nittaku to use epoxy glue: will the Violin feel still there with epoxy right behind the 1st wood ply (from arg0's last post above I assume it won't be innerforce like but carbon will be 2nd and 6th plies)? I doubt it.
The Acoustic carbon did not impress me at all and I thought of it as a marketing gimmick Nittaku never got me used to; I understood the move and thoughts like "with the plastic balll blah-blah-blah..." but they landed with something certainly not superior to the regular acoustic; I bet I'll think the same about the Violin Carbon.


So you would recommend people stick with the normal acoustic?

I've had mine for 6-7 years, and its handle is just too small for me [Baal saying about having to adjust your grip when switching from a forehand to backhand as being a good test, reverberates with me], especially now I'm in my early/mid 20's.

 So I'm going to be likely choosing a Large version of the acoustic, just not sure whether its the carbon inner, carbon or normal acoustic iteration. Bit more context about my style if you want it, is below -

I do slap a lot, and play very close to the table as all my strengths lie there. 3rd ball slow spinny loop esp. on my serve very regularly, which often sets up into a slap [flat hit] kill - i play aggressively as thats what I'm good at and it allows me to dictate the points against all but players that are simply
far too strong no matter what i do.

Hence I stay at the table more than most and don't need power away from the table etc as I'm close/mid distance from the table essentially 100% of the time.

 I can do all of that close table stuff well on an acoustic, hence i'd ideally want to stick with that line for the feeling/consistency, but many have said the normal acoustic isn't great for slapping [i.e. it might be even easier on the carbon versions for me], hence I've really loved the MX-P on my forehand which allows for good looping and flat hitting, the latter is the thing that when its working, it really sets my game apart/allows me to beat or compete with very strong players by upsetting their gameplan/ provides so much fun. 




Posted By: arg0
Date Posted: 09/11/2017 at 1:04am
Originally posted by fatt fatt wrote:

<span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;">"I doubt it" was referring to "will the Violin feel still there", not the position of the carbon ply.</span>
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That was clear to me, I just wanted to contribute a picture for others to see and added my thoughts.
I hope I'll be strong enough to await the first reviews, which could be along the lines of "good blade, still some trace of the original feel, but a bit too carbon-ish", and then patiently wait for four more years for Violin Carbon Inner to be released, adapted to the new new ball. ;-)

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Posted By: arg0
Date Posted: 10/16/2017 at 4:33pm
Hmm, 11 October has passed, anyone has bought/pre-ordered one?
[[Update: just realised the original announcement says 10 Nov, not 11 Oct: see my next post]]

I see it's not yet listed on tt11 or iruiru, while tt-japan has it listed at 16000JPY (that's 4000 off the list price on Nittaku's website) with coming soon/sold out status. Any other trusted shop where it can be ordered?


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Posted By: arg0
Date Posted: 10/16/2017 at 6:13pm
OK, one more example of bad automatic translation on the Nittaku website. The announced release date is not 11 October, as in the first post, it's 10 November (11月10日). So, still a few more weeks to go.
Oh, and iruiru has it for preorder for 16000JPY, as well.


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Posted By: arg0
Date Posted: 11/12/2017 at 6:38pm
Iruiru seems to have it in stock, now:
http://iruiru.com/goods_page.php?ct=B&mk=D&gd=BD345" rel="nofollow - http://iruiru.com/goods_page.php?ct=B&mk=D&gd=BD345


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Posted By: peter79
Date Posted: 11/12/2017 at 8:55pm
I ordered 91 gr FL which is the heaviest ttjapan has, will arrive soon.


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Posted By: Dr.Cho
Date Posted: 11/12/2017 at 9:44pm
Yep, another Hide Glue Wonder coming out to choose from.
These Blades do have a different feel.

If you check stringed insturments  hot hide is the choice glue.
because of creep.

This makes the blade making more extensive and time consuming
Hence more expensive.



Posted By: arg0
Date Posted: 11/13/2017 at 1:08am
Carbon fiber and hide glue don't stick together, literally.

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Posted By: Dr.Cho
Date Posted: 11/14/2017 at 4:06pm
Hmmm, somethings wrong then

Hide is superior to other glues for transmitting tonal waves between wood veneers because of how hard it cures and it pulls wood together as it cures.
 probably why it has the feel like no other blade.

Hide also comes in granules, flakes and flat sheets. lots of woodworkers, guitar makers and violin makers use hide and some with carbon too



Posted By: arg0
Date Posted: 11/14/2017 at 5:52pm
Originally posted by Dr.Cho Dr.Cho wrote:

Hmmm, somethings wrong then

Hide is superior to other glues for transmitting tonal waves between wood veneers because of how hard it cures and it pulls wood together as it cures.
 probably why it has the feel like no other blade.

Hide also comes in granules, flakes and flat sheets. lots of woodworkers, guitar makers and violin makers use hide and some with carbon too


I see you strongly believe in hide glue being used in Violin. I'm just not sure whether your belief is based on reality.
"because of how hard it cures": glad to see you changed your mind, because http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=80702&PID=1001279&title=nittaku-acoustic-alternative#1001279" rel="nofollow - last time we discussed you stated http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=80702&PID=1001167&title=nittaku-acoustic-alternative#1001167" rel="nofollow - hide glue remains flexible.
"probably why it has the feel like no other blade": maybe, but I know of no evidence that hide glue is indeed used.
"lots of woodworkers, guitar makers and violin makers use hide and some with carbon too": would be glad to know that it can be made, but at present I'm rather agnostic. What are your sources?

I'm not into woodworking, but as far as I can read hide glue does not stick (well) to carbon fibre, so it cannot be used for laminating carbon fibre to wood. It can be used for "buried reinforcement", when carbon fibre is completely surrounded by wood, but that's not the case in table tennis.
Source: http://www.acousticguitarforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=354063" rel="nofollow - http://www.acousticguitarforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=354063

Citing from http://www.tdpri.com/threads/gluing-carbon-fibre-to-wood.358532/" rel="nofollow - another forum : Gluing carbon fibre to wood.
Q: I was thinking about making a brace for a failing acoustic of mine that incorporates the use of carbon fibre. [...] What glue would work for this? Epoxy? Gorilla glue?
A: Hide glue. Bwah hah hah! Just joking. Epoxy - pretty much any kind.

So, at least for the wood layers contacting the carbon fibre layers, I have no evidence that hide glue can be used. As such, I have to conclude that if hide glue is used at all, it is just for gluing the core to the intermediate plies.
Besides, I haven't read any review of Violin Carbon yet. It may well be that it does not have the same feel as the original Violin...


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Posted By: Dr.Cho
Date Posted: 11/14/2017 at 9:11pm
Well..Yes hide does remain flexible in that when heated it can be repaired.

I can see by your other numerous posts you are in doubt about hide glue being used in the violin.

I have done lots of research on multiple forums.. guitar making, violin rebuilding and stringed instrument making  as well as many sports in my quest for making a better blade.

Even Stradivarius and how he used hide...quite interesting.

I also have made over 230 paddles and have a good idea how the process is done.
And Yes I do believe its hide that is transmitting tonal waves that makes it different

When they say made like stringed instruments and the most famous ones are made with hide glue
Why would you think any further, just enjoy 




Posted By: azv
Date Posted: 12/02/2017 at 11:05am
Available in tt11

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Posted By: arg0
Date Posted: 12/02/2017 at 5:36pm
Eventually. Looking forward to the first review!


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Posted By: arg0
Date Posted: 12/03/2017 at 3:03am
Thanks fatt for including me. If there's one test blade, I can be last on the list, and will then send it back to TT1 in Estonia.

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Posted By: arg0
Date Posted: 12/03/2017 at 5:05pm
Originally posted by fatt fatt wrote:

I asked tt11 on this site if we could start a testing session and I volunteered to conduct it. If it works I will accept applications from USA only but I will gladly make an exception for you. Actually they should send you a couple too to do the same in Europe. Please ask them and I’m sure Slevin and Matt will support you.

As to the testing in Europe: another option could be that, if the blades for the US testing are meant to be returned to TT11, I could organise and continue the testing in Europe with the same blades...
Or, I could indeed organise a separate testing in Europe. But let's see if the US testing goes through, first.
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Posted By: arg0
Date Posted: 12/03/2017 at 7:01pm
25% off at TT11 (weekly special)!


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Posted By: arg0
Date Posted: 12/04/2017 at 2:15am
So this is the end of the testing session and we have to keep an eye on the FS section?

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Posted By: ashishsharmaait
Date Posted: 12/04/2017 at 11:18pm
Any reviews on this blade yet?


Posted By: ashishsharmaait
Date Posted: 12/05/2017 at 10:16am
Originally posted by fatt fatt wrote:

I got a couple in the mail and I’ll get them Friday Via DHL. Hoping for custom fées to dissipate in the ether.
I did not want to unglue my current violin setup so I went ahead and bought the same rubbers than now but in max: r47 bh and ova fh. Can’t wait!

Don't forget to put in your review as soon as you get them so that I can also get them while on sale.


Posted By: arg0
Date Posted: 12/05/2017 at 2:55pm
I emailed TT1 and inquired about the dimensions of the ST handle.
The reason is that I am very picky about handle sizes. I stopped playing with regular Violin for a few years because I felt the ST handle was too thin, until Violin LG (L-Size handle) came out.

Their reply was:
  • Violin (ST) handle - 98mm long, 28mm wide, 24mm thick.
  • Violin Carbon (ST) handle - 10cm long, 28mm wide, 24mm thick.
  • Violin LG (ST) handle - 29mm wide, 23mm thick.
I suppose this means that the handle of Violin Carbon is the same as regular Violin.
Interestingly, the handles of regular Violin and Violin carbon appear to be thicker (and rounder) than Violin LG.

This does not completely match my own measurements, which are:
  • Violin regular ST handle is about 26.5 x 23 mm, circumference is 82 mm.
  • Violin LG ST handle is about 28.5 x 23 mm, circumference is 87 mm.
  • Handle length is 100 mm and head size is 149 x 156 mm in both cases.
I would be grateful if one of the first owners of Violin Carbon ST could post dimensions and maybe a picture of the handle butt.




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Posted By: Basquests
Date Posted: 12/05/2017 at 10:33pm
Yeah, the acoustic/violin handles are tiny. Remember that when buying, and possibly wait for the LG version of the Violin Carbon.




Posted By: Sedis
Date Posted: 12/06/2017 at 2:14pm
I make it 28mm by 23mm

Nittaku Violin Carbon ST handle base


Posted By: Sedis
Date Posted: 12/06/2017 at 4:20pm
Originally posted by fatt fatt wrote:

Originally posted by Sedis Sedis wrote:

I make it 28mm by 23mm



how does it play? bring it on! Tongue

I'll get a chance to try it tomorrow. I have been wanting a carbon blade with a harder outer veneer but that is not too stiff and in the off-/off range or a while, so in theory this ticks a lot of boxes for me. 


Posted By: arg0
Date Posted: 12/06/2017 at 4:45pm
To anyone interested. Violin Carbon ST is out of stock at tt11 and not expected to become available again before the end of the weekly special offer.

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Posted By: arg0
Date Posted: 12/06/2017 at 4:50pm
Originally posted by fatt fatt wrote:

I still find shocking that I could get a couple at $127.53 a piece; for such a new product that so many people are waiting for, the move is eerie. The uncanny offer is still available 3 days later.

I would have snatched 'em up, but for Europe, with taxes, it was more like $162 a piece, so still good but not that great...
If you decide to sell one, I'll get it for the price you paid, if you include shipping.

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Posted By: arg0
Date Posted: 12/06/2017 at 5:35pm
Originally posted by Sedis Sedis wrote:

I make it 28mm by 23mm

Nittaku Violin Carbon ST handle base


Sorry if the above image is already overquoted (previous posters, please consider removing it from your quotation, if it's not essential), but I wanted to post it next to an image of regular Violin LG (with Large ST handle).
As you can see, regardless of the dimensions, the shape is clearly different: more round-ish on the Violin Carbon (just like regular Violin) and more elongated, with flatter top/bottom surfaces, on the Violin LG:



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Posted By: h0n1g
Date Posted: 12/07/2017 at 11:45pm
seems like frequency wise its close to the Acoustic Carbon which isnt too surprising I guess.

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Posted By: peter79
Date Posted: 12/08/2017 at 3:30am
I will test and compare to Acoustic inner and outer carbon today, test bouncing with ball.


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Posted By: Thomasson
Date Posted: 12/08/2017 at 4:39am
I will order one aswell in the coming weeks, hopefully it plays close to acoustic carbon, which I like but I prefer this handle colors (matches my club colors).
I actually have Acoustic Carbon with MJ handles but its around 92g because of the custom handles I believe.


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Posted By: peter79
Date Posted: 12/08/2017 at 6:35am
The feel is more solid dan acoustic carbon,speed a bit slower.
My acoustic carbon is 92 gr, violin carbon 91 gr







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Posted By: Sedis
Date Posted: 12/09/2017 at 2:11am
Originally posted by fatt fatt wrote:

still around $130 at tt11:
http://www.tabletennis11.com/other_eng/nittaku-violin-carbon" rel="nofollow - http://www.tabletennis11.com/other_eng/nittaku-violin-carbon

I have a hard time understanding the strategy: on sale when it comes out: can somebody comment?

I assume it might vary depending on where you are in the world, but with TT11's % discount scheme the blade at standard price would qualify you for a reasonable discount in any case, add a couple of rubbers (or buy a pair of blades) and you could pay this price even when the blade is not on offer.


Posted By: arg0
Date Posted: 12/09/2017 at 2:59am
Originally posted by Sedis Sedis wrote:

Originally posted by fatt fatt wrote:

still around $130 at tt11:
http://www.tabletennis11.com/other_eng/nittaku-violin-carbon" rel="nofollow - http://www.tabletennis11.com/other_eng/nittaku-violin-carbon

I have a hard time understanding the strategy: on sale when it comes out: can somebody comment?


I assume it might vary depending on where you are in the world, but with TT11's % discount scheme the blade at standard price would qualify you for a reasonable discount in any case, add a couple of rubbers (or buy a pair of blades) and you could pay this price even when the blade is not on offer.

This. You can always get expensive blades at about 20-25% discount.
Moreover, tt11 claims they randomly select their weekly specials, so if it's truly random, it could have been coincidence.
Otoh, maybe they want to push a number of blades out early to ensure a number of reviews.
On top of that tt-japan and iruiru also have/had them 20% off even before it was released.

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Posted By: arg0
Date Posted: 12/09/2017 at 3:00am
Forgot to mention that the ST version sold out in few days. Maybe they didn't have many in stock.

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Posted By: Basquests
Date Posted: 12/09/2017 at 5:59am
Originally posted by arg0 arg0 wrote:

Originally posted by Sedis Sedis wrote:

Originally posted by fatt fatt wrote:

still around $130 at tt11:
http://www.tabletennis11.com/other_eng/nittaku-violin-carbon" rel="nofollow - http://www.tabletennis11.com/other_eng/nittaku-violin-carbon

I have a hard time understanding the strategy: on sale when it comes out: can somebody comment?


I assume it might vary depending on where you are in the world, but with TT11's % discount scheme the blade at standard price would qualify you for a reasonable discount in any case, add a couple of rubbers (or buy a pair of blades) and you could pay this price even when the blade is not on offer.

This. You can always get expensive blades at about 20-25% discount.
Moreover, tt11 claims they randomly select their weekly specials, so if it's truly random, it could have been coincidence.
Otoh, maybe they want to push a number of blades out early to ensure a number of reviews.
On top of that tt-japan and iruiru also have/had them 20% off even before it was released.


This. I got 3 MX-P's (37 euro each, i.e. 111 euro total) + Omega V tour + acoustic inner carbon (152 euro at tt11), i.e. 305 euro total, for 205 after the 30% and the 10 euro black friday coupon. You always get a great discount, and free shipping if you buy in volume, which makes the smaller schemes better for those willing/able to only buy less / want to try a variety of stuff at different times, instead of just buying say 4 MXP's for 25% off, or  8 evolutions at 30% off.

They also sent me an additional MX-P by accident, I think, probably to do with them thinking i should get a buy 3 get 4, which isn't the case for 2 reasons
a) 30% disc > buy 3 get 4 (=25% disc) which they've noted and prioritized the 30% for consumers
b) Omega was on buy 3 get 4, so i got 4 rubbers from that section anyway, they sent me 5 in actuality.

Hurray for TT11.


Posted By: kindof99
Date Posted: 12/09/2017 at 11:02am
On sale items do not qualify for the 30% or 25% off discount. Sometimes I need to wait until the sale ends to get a better deal. 

I think TT11 should have either the volume discount or the sale price together so people do not need to wait until there is no sale for certain items.


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Posted By: MCollins
Date Posted: 12/09/2017 at 5:16pm
Not mine, but I got to hit with a violin carbon today.  EL-S on both sides.  I thought the throw was a bit lower than regular violin with same rubbers, and it was great to hit and block with, but I only played with it for 10 min or so.  Really, I'm just commenting to brag about getting to try it haha.  

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Posted By: arg0
Date Posted: 12/10/2017 at 3:47pm
How about spin? You wrote the throw is lower than regular violin, but it's still a 5.3mm blade, so I would expect it to be rather flexible and quite easy to generate spin with. Or is it rather a flat hitters' and blockers' blade?


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Posted By: h0n1g
Date Posted: 12/12/2017 at 12:50pm
Where is the report?

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Posted By: arg0
Date Posted: 12/12/2017 at 2:30pm
Meh? Really?

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Posted By: arg0
Date Posted: 12/12/2017 at 3:07pm
Well, acoustic carbon is not a better acoustic, so I wouldn't have expected violin carbon to be a better violin. Just tell us how it's different, I'm curious.


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Posted By: Sedis
Date Posted: 12/12/2017 at 4:58pm
Originally posted by fatt fatt wrote:

I think it’s me not the blade. I need more time with it.

That's pretty much how I'm feeling after a couple of fairly short sessions with it. I don't really want to give it an unfair review because I have not taken to it instantly 


Posted By: h0n1g
Date Posted: 12/12/2017 at 6:52pm
A blade you don't immediately love is a blade you will never love in my opinion.

I've probably tried over 60 blades and I've never once ended up with one that I didn't immediately take a liking to in the first 10 minutes. No matter if I 'lost' or 'won'.

Just sayin'


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Posted By: doraemon
Date Posted: 12/12/2017 at 7:46pm
Originally posted by h0n1g h0n1g wrote:

A blade you don't immediately love is a blade you will never love in my opinion.

I've probably tried over 60 blades and I've never once ended up with one that I didn't immediately take a liking to in the first 10 minutes. No matter if I 'lost' or 'won'.

Just sayin'


I generally agree with your comment above.  I have experienced the same thing, with one exception.

I own a Clipper and never like it (back in the 38 mm celluloid ball era).   Today, in the 40+ plastic ball era, I think Clipper is a really good blade.



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Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 12/12/2017 at 8:53pm
Originally posted by h0n1g h0n1g wrote:

A blade you don't immediately love is a blade you will never love in my opinion.

I've probably tried over 60 blades and I've never once ended up with one that I didn't immediately take a liking to in the first 10 minutes. No matter if I 'lost' or 'won'.

Just sayin'


True for me.


Posted By: rocketman222
Date Posted: 12/12/2017 at 10:03pm
Does this mean I put you back on the tester list for BBC

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Date Posted: 12/13/2017 at 12:47am
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Posted By: icontek
Date Posted: 12/13/2017 at 1:22am
Originally posted by icontek icontek wrote:

Originally posted by h0n1g h0n1g wrote:

A blade you don't immediately love is a blade you will never love in my opinion.

I've probably tried over 60 blades and I've never once ended up with one that I didn't immediately take a liking to in the first 10 minutes. No matter if I 'lost' or 'won'.

Just sayin'

So true.

It's the reason the blade collection has gotten smaller over the years.




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Posted By: arg0
Date Posted: 12/15/2017 at 3:09pm
fatt, Sedis, peter79, et al.
any news? Thanks!

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Posted By: Vince64
Date Posted: 12/15/2017 at 10:28pm
Originally posted by fatt fatt wrote:

I also agree but I still think I made several mistakes: playing somebody better, gluing max on both sides. The gap between my play and what I think it is was too big when I chose to try ova max in the fh on a carbon blade; that was childish. I make great shots too but they would never compensate the waste that follow them. Of course the hits were fantastic and looping amateur chops - most of them high but low missiles were coming back sometimes - was effortless with the right relaxed pendulum stroke that I consider the ultimate exercise in terms of efficiency when learning to fh loop: “you can loop chops 20 times relax, you can loop $&@%ING ANYTHING!”...ok back to topic, the 50deg sponge is too hard for my stroke and I am better aware now (i am done with ova btw, a couple soon FS both black, 2.0 1 month and max used 2 hours); the weight was also bad: 90g, tearmender is 6 to 8g (I am generous), it was a bit too much at 196 gr and I compensated holding the paddle close to the neck; there bh driving was super with the R47. My bh loop was just fine I am confident there so no surprises.
Next time I will try the R47 bh and OVA fh both in 2.0 that are on the all wood violin, going easy on the glue. If I can bring the weight down to 188 I’ll be fine.
With the Acoustic Carbon I had a weird experience that is happening again: the sweet spot is less than what I expected but I’m not going to be picky, it does not pretend to be a 102g Schlager. They made a decision about the thickness of the carbon and the breakaway from all wood is not brutal, we’re still in the violin world, of course with a harder feel but we certainly keep the same comfort in areas like blocking and pushing where I did not notice a decline from whatever I do with the all wood counterpart, maybe even an improvement in blocks. They wanted to cover the “new plastic ball era” getting that paddle out but hey! Just in case the 2 all wood are not going anywhere.
I got the additional speed I wanted, it’s very stable, top notch quality, I’ll keep them for a while but h0n1g sure hit it: I did not fall in love and if I make it work it will be a marriage de raison. I am also considering going down to 42 on the bh keeping the 47 for the fh (anybody want to trade a R42 2.0 or max, Black for an OVA black 2.0?”). Until I’ve tried those combos I won’t jump to conclusions.
Please do not take this as a review, more like random rambling in the bus on my way home; also forgive my misspellings, poor grammar and disorganized sentence structure. I did not mean anything malicious.
More to come?
If I had known you were gonna have such senseless random ramblings from riding the bus home maybe next time I'll drop you off at your place instead of the bus stop! Lol

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Posted By: slevin
Date Posted: 12/15/2017 at 11:27pm
Nittaku gets this wrong IMHO: their carbon blades are generally heavy but relatively slow without a great sweetspot.

For example, if I had to use a 90g blade, I would much rather play with a 90g Acoustic than a 90g Acoustic carbon (players normally gravitate to carbon for solidity, bigger sweetspot and more power. Well, a 90g all-wood resolves most of this without the compromise in feel or ball arc thst comes with carbon). Perhaps, this is the sane with Violin / Violin Carbon?

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Posted By: mhnh007
Date Posted: 12/19/2017 at 10:12am
Sounds like you are trying hard to make it work, which is a good thing, it's how we reach a new height Smile.  From what described the blade seem to have similar characteristic as the Stiga Offensive Carbon,which I think works best when ream up with medium hard rubber like T05, BF M2, etc...


Posted By: h0n1g
Date Posted: 12/19/2017 at 1:56pm
Love me love me sayy that you love meee

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Posted By: arg0
Date Posted: 12/19/2017 at 2:53pm
I enjoy your live blogging :)
I see you _really_ want VC to work for you.

Personally, I lost a bit of interest in the blade when you wrote "The divine feel of the all wood Violin is gone". That was a hard hit, though it didn't come unexpected: quite the opposite, it's in line with similar impressions that people got from the Acoustic Carbon Outer.

Maybe I should wait a few more years for Nittaku to release Violin Carbon Inner LG (if they ever do), or a 7-ply version of Violin. Or maybe I should simply be happy with Nexy Arche, which is the blade that comes closest so far to a slightly stiffer and faster Violin. It doesn't have the same feeling or the same perfect handle, but somehow something just clicked when I played with it first, and I'm going back to it again and again after having tried other blades.


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Posted By: arg0
Date Posted: 12/20/2017 at 7:39pm
Originally posted by fatt fatt wrote:

be careful a few more dark thoughts like this one and next thing you know you'll play with an Apolonia lol.  

No way: it's composite, it's Butterfly, it's expensive, and I don't like the idea of playing a blade named after someone because I'm still working towards having a blade named after me :o)

Seriously, I've got a gorgeous handmade blade that is built to be an improved Violin that I've played again and again over the last months, wanting to like it at all costs. The feeling is solid and inspires confidence, the control is great, the handle is close to perfect, just... it's a tad more head heavy than I like, and the feeling is more muted. In summary, it's closer to an Acoustic rather than Violin.
This is why, each time after a training session I'm convinced that I can keep it as my main blade, if I play one last set with Arche or Violin, the magic is gone again and I know it's time to sell it.


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Posted By: clannewton
Date Posted: 12/29/2017 at 3:09pm
Originally posted by fatt fatt wrote:

I am done testing that beauty. I am going back to all wood Violin so I can play instead of trying to finish anything off in a hurry. Yes, that's what carbon blades makes me do: rush; then my game goes to limbo! Wink
I am selling one of my 2 VC http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=81350" rel="nofollow - right there and it comes with 2 almost new rubbers, R47 and R42, both in 2.0. Thumbs Up

If only it had the large handle and flared, I'd be all over it, like white on rice!


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Posted By: rocketman222
Date Posted: 12/29/2017 at 3:32pm
Fatt want to get back on the BBC trial train?

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Posted By: Sedis
Date Posted: 12/30/2017 at 2:23am
After initially really struggling with this blade (basically finding it amazing at looping from mid distance, but very unpredicatable for everything else), I have changed to lighter rubbers (Stiga Mantra S and Nexy Karis M in 2.0) and added a grip tape. The total weight is now 182g.
This has really transformed how it plays, it is now much better balanced, which seems to have sorted out the issues I was having and it now plays much more like how I imagined when I bought it.

I now have a dilemma, do stick with it, knowing that I am probably going to be limited to lighter rubbers in the future or look to sell or trade it whilst it is still like new?

With the current trend for thinner topsheets, I think I might be OK


Posted By: arg0
Date Posted: 10/07/2019 at 8:17pm
Originally posted by arg0 arg0 wrote:

Originally posted by jonyer1980 jonyer1980 wrote:

OMG I've been waiting this for ages. Now my ej virus was healed :(

I bet in a year or so they will rename it Violin Outer Carbon and release an Inner Carbon.

This post of mine was from 9/9/17.
It seems I was right (or just lucky): Violin Inner Carbon was released in September 2018:
http://www.nittaku.com/catalog/2018autumn-winter/book/pdf/11.pdf" rel="nofollow - http://www.nittaku.com/catalog/2018autumn-winter/book/pdf/11.pdf
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Posted By: Halon X
Date Posted: 10/07/2019 at 11:51pm
Originally posted by arg0 arg0 wrote:

Originally posted by arg0 arg0 wrote:

Originally posted by jonyer1980 jonyer1980 wrote:

OMG I've been waiting this for ages. Now my ej virus was healed :(

I bet in a year or so they will rename it Violin Outer Carbon and release an Inner Carbon.

This post of mine was from 9/9/17.
It seems I was right (or just lucky): Violin Inner Carbon was released in September 2018:
http://www.nittaku.com/catalog/2018autumn-winter/book/pdf/11.pdf" rel="nofollow - http://www.nittaku.com/catalog/2018autumn-winter/book/pdf/11.pdf
Anyone had a chance to test it?


I also waiting for an online review since it released last year, i found none :( 
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Posted By: Thot
Date Posted: 10/08/2019 at 11:48am
Originally posted by Halon X Halon X wrote:

I also waiting for an online review since it released last year, i found none :( 
hoping they release a large handle version too.

After the normal (aka small handle) is released it usually takes at least 2 years until they release the LG handle version. For a premium price you can ask for a Nittaku custom blade on iruiru. Or you can ask someone who knows how to do it to change the handle.


Posted By: Mickael
Date Posted: 10/13/2019 at 6:19am
i didnt find any reviews either. can someone send a link to a japanese forum maybe there we will read something with auto translate.

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