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Topic: JSH's serve against Boll
Posted By: Simon_plays
Subject: JSH's serve against Boll
Date Posted: 11/01/2017 at 11:55am
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T2APAC league game, JSH and Boll tied at 2 sets each and 4 points each, JSH to serve for the final point of the match. (Skip to 08:08) What was on that serve for Boll to make that receive? And what did Boll think it was? Side-top misread as pure side? |
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Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: 11/01/2017 at 12:22pm
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To me it looked like Timo misread the amount of spin, rather than the type of spin. ILya ------------- BTY Mazunov ST Dignics 05 |
Posted By: GMan4911
Date Posted: 11/01/2017 at 12:32pm
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If I'm not mistaken, Boll's bat angle suggests he thought the serve was side-under. ------------- OSP Ultimate II, FH/ITC Powercell Ultra 48 Max BH/ITC Powercell Ultra 48 Max ITC Challenge Speed, FH/ITC Powercell Ultra 48 Max BH/Powercell Ultra 48 Max |
Posted By: 100niTenis
Date Posted: 11/01/2017 at 12:38pm
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Agree with Koshkin ! ------------- Blade, Rubbers, Shoes, Socks ... |
Posted By: Simon_plays
Date Posted: 11/01/2017 at 12:47pm
That would be more likely. Only reason I thought that Boll might have actually straight up misread the spin is because the ball went all the way off the table and because it was such a pressure point. But you're probably right.
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koshkin wrote:Posted By: zeio
Date Posted: 11/01/2017 at 12:51pm
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Side-top misread as side-under. ------------- Viscaria FL - 91g + Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
Posted By: GMan4911
Date Posted: 11/01/2017 at 1:00pm
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Posted By: mhnh007
Date Posted: 11/01/2017 at 1:26pm
Yes. He misread the serve. Looked like his mind was still on the previous point. |
Posted By: nv42
Date Posted: 11/01/2017 at 3:45pm
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Biggest mistake boll did was trying to place it short/half long thinking it was a loose side-under, hence requiring him to give it a little lift so that the loose serve doesn't drop dead onto the net, but he ended up giving that lil lift to a top-spin. That serve did not actually have a lot of spin, which is why boll mistook the topspin as a side-under, which goes to show that variation in the amount of spin can lead to a lot of errors from your opponent in a match as opposed to the type of spin. ------------- 1.dhs pg2 fl -FH t05h (max) -BH tibhar genius (max) |
Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 11/01/2017 at 5:36pm
Yep. That one can be tricky these days since not so many BH servers and this one can be readily disguised. Way way way back in the day Stellan Bengtsson would get people this way. |
Posted By: JacekGM
Date Posted: 11/01/2017 at 10:31pm
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Okay, that's right. Question: could it not be attacked (banana, or a FH flip) instead of taking it passively? ------------- (1) Juic SBA (Fl, 85 g) with Bluefire JP3 (red max) on FH and 0.6 mm DR N Desperado on BH; (2) Yinhe T7 (Fl, 87 g) with Bluefire M3 (red 2.0) on FH and 0.6 mm 755 on BH. |
Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 11/01/2017 at 10:59pm
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A pro once told me that they almost never misread the spin at that level if they see the serve contact, only the amount. So I am going with that. ------------- https://youtu.be/jhO4K_yFhh8?t=115" rel="nofollow - I like putting heavy topspin on the ball... Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
Posted By: blahness
Date Posted: 11/02/2017 at 10:10pm
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Looks like a BH side under serve with very little spin. Boll lifted it too much as he thought it was heavier. If the serve was side topspin it would have jumped up a lot more violently with the open bat angle that Boll used... ------------- ------- Viscaria FH: Hurricane 8-80 BH: D05 Back to normal shape bats :( |
Posted By: smackman
Date Posted: 11/02/2017 at 11:47pm
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Posted By: zeio
Date Posted: 11/03/2017 at 12:41am
When presented with a serve that could be loaded with either side-top or side-under, my subconscious action would be to take it passively. That's my conclusion from years of playing. ------------- Viscaria FL - 91g + Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
Posted By: zeio
Date Posted: 11/03/2017 at 1:33am
Also, Joo has a tendency to use the backhand serve near the end of a tight game. @ https://youtu.be/gatqZi2bm7E?t=771" rel="nofollow - 12:51 . This light side-under was pretty obvious and Boll flicked it. @ https://youtu.be/gatqZi2bm7E?t=794" rel="nofollow - 13:14 . Boll looped this side-under that went a little high. ------------- Viscaria FL - 91g + Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
Posted By: zeio
Date Posted: 11/03/2017 at 2:27am
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In the Asian Games team final, back against the wall, Joo used the backhand serve almost exclusively from the 3rd game onward, and mounted a counterattack. @ https://youtu.be/DKzsjbYFd5s?t=632" rel="nofollow - 10:32 , it was clear ML misread the side-top as a side-under. In many other instances, ML chose to receive passively as well, which landed him in hot water. ------------- Viscaria FL - 91g + Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
Posted By: zeio
Date Posted: 11/03/2017 at 2:47am
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@ https://youtu.be/Jt--WBUnuOI?t=493" rel="nofollow - 8:13 , Joo saved the backhand serve again for WLQ's game point. WLQ misread the side-top as a side-under. @ https://youtu.be/Jt--WBUnuOI?t=503" rel="nofollow - 8:23 , Joo served up the same side-top, to the exact same location. WLQ didn't fall for that again. He flicked(some may say rolled) it this time. ------------- Viscaria FL - 91g + Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
Posted By: zeio
Date Posted: 11/03/2017 at 3:28am
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In this match, MLin was practically immune to Joo's backhand serve, with the only exception @ https://youtu.be/NaUBMjVhxw8?t=937" rel="nofollow - 15:37 where MLin misread a side-top as a side-under, after Joo served a side-under on the previous point. ------------- Viscaria FL - 91g + Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
Posted By: zeio
Date Posted: 11/03/2017 at 5:38am
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Joo used the backhand serve extensively starting from game 3, to little effect. @ https://youtu.be/WAChaBivZbY?t=1433" rel="nofollow - 23:53 , the only instance where CCY misread a side-under as a side-top and flicked it right into the bottom of the net. ------------- Viscaria FL - 91g + Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
Posted By: APW46
Date Posted: 11/05/2017 at 11:55am
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miss read, it happens to the best, pressure of the point has a lot to do with it. Also it is difficult to see from the camera angle and editing, but I'm not convinced he threw the ball up 16cm.
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